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Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« on: April 27, 2010, 11:04:55 PM »
May I restart freshly from older VLS this great way of playing firstly posted by Lanky (who I hope will soon join this forum).
This is a great plan and it would be good for us all if we continue to discuss, tweak and develop it further.

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SIX POINT DIVISOR PLAN / H6 POINT DIVISOR

Here is a very good page on the divisor plan.
But please read this 1st & if you have any Questions....Just ask me...I will do my very best for you.

The Six Point Plan has been around for a long time.
Few people use it.
And yet it is one of the easiest methods around to enable you to win on a consistent basis.
There really is no great risk attached to its operation, because you can introduce a building safety brake if things threaten to get out of control.Professionals regard it as the soundest of all target-staking methods.

It’s been played in Australia for more than 50 years, but seems to have been more popular in the 30s and 40s than nowadays, when punters seem more impatient than their predecessors.

The aim of the Six Point Plan is to win six betting units every time the punter backs a winner, or winners, whose odds total six.
The target figure decides the opening bet.

Example: If you were aiming to win $6 altogether, the opening bet would be $1 because the DIVISOR is six. So you have six divided into six, which equals a bet of one unit.

The betting action is just a matter of simple division of the DIVISOR into the TARGET figure.

To explain the action, we’ll work to a target figure of $12. To work out your bets you use the divisor of six and the target of 12.

The opening bet, then, is $2 (12 divided by six). If the opening bet lost, the objective would be increased by the lost $2 to $14 and you would then divide six into 14 to get the total of the next bet.Rounding off, your next bet would be $2.50.

Let’s assume your bet lost again. You now have a target of $16.50 and this is divided by six so your next bet would be, rounded off, $3.

Let’s assume the worst and we have this bet losing. Your target now rises to $19.50, which again is divided by six to get your next bet, which is, rounded off, $3.50.

Good news! You get a winner at 2/1. That means you have won $7 of the target of $19.50, which reduces the target to $12.50.

You now have to drop your divisor by two points (the price of the winner) and this now becomes a divisor of four.

Your next bet, then, is $12.50 divided by four, which gives you a vet, rounded off, of $3. If this bet won, say, at 2/1 you would have a profit of $6 coming off the $12.50, leaving you only $6.50 to get to complete the Six Point Plan, with a divisor of 1. At this point you can simply rule off that particular section and begin a completely new Six Point target and divisor.

Should you strike a losing run which seems without end, you can easily halt any rapid rise in stakes by introducing the Safety Brake.

The divisor may be six when you strike a slump which has taken the target figure to, say, 60, meaning a bet of 10 units next time.

All you do now is bring in a new divisor to add to the present one, and a fresh target. This means a new target of 12 (added to the current 60) making 72, and a new divisor of 12.

Your next bet, then, would be 72 divided by 12, equalling six.

If you were still not happy you could even bring in a third divisor of six and a third extra target of 12, making your set-up now a target of 84 divided by 18, meaning a next bet of, say, $4.50.You can also introduce new divisor/target figures when your current divisor has, say, dropped to two, with an objective, say, of $5. This calls for a $2.50 bet. Whenever the divisor is lower than three it is sensible, to protect your capital, to bring in a new divisor and objective, as this prevents stakes rising too rapidly in the event of a long losing run.

Divisor Target
2      5
Bring in new divisor
6      12
New divisor/target
8       17

As you can see, you now have a new divisor of eight and a new target of 17, giving you a next bet of, say, $2.

Why do we bring in this safety brake? Because, with a divisor of only two you Bets could climb too steeply and the situation just might become fraught with panic on your side.

The good thing about the Six Point Plan is that it provides, through the safety brakes, for a common-sense approach.

Also, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit.

It can be used for Evens=Red black etc
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Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 11:13:48 PM »
Dear Players,
I know most of you have already seen this post before. I posted it here because I think this plan is very valuable information and it can provide the player with greater chances of winning than most math systems ever explored.
A lot of tweaking can be done, and as I do with most systems; I add a 'player 2' to play the other Even so there's no big loss in case of a losing streak at player 1's Even.
Is anyone playing this plan in a better way? Any profitable/safer tweaks?
Thanks,
CashGrowth.

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 11:30:46 PM »
Thanks for bringing the Six-Point divisor plan CG,

I think Lanky can eventually return IF he sees we are a community of true gentlemen around here.

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 08:45:20 PM »
Hi
Good though the 6 point divisor is ,you must have a steady bet selection to make it work.
And of course an exit strategy...

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 01:54:02 AM »
I have a question about the 6 point divisor.  Would appreciate some help to understand, see my question below.

"Good news! You get a winner at 2/1. That means you have won $7 of the target of $19.50, which reduces the target to $12.50.

You now have to drop your divisor by two points (the price of the winner) and this now becomes a divisor of four."

Apparently the price of the winner is 2 points.  How is that determined?

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 08:53:40 AM »
This is determined by payout/odds, for example dozen pays 2:1 so if you bet on dozen and win, you decrease your divisor by 2.  If you play even chance, you decrease by one, and with other options it is similar.

But I would like to warn anyone - do not play this on RNG, also if you believe that your bet selection DOES NOT give you an edge, do not play this at all.  Divisor is designed for sports betting, and works only if the player can at least break even.  It is very similar to "retirement plan" used in sports betting, where is also divisor, and which is little less aggressive than this six point divisor. 

Both systems fails on RNG, and also on my downloaded set of million spins from Wiesbaden, retirement plan is weaker and fails on negative dispersion even where divisor survives, because it is less aggressive.  It might be different for sports betting, supposing you have very little edge, they both help to increase total profit by increasing wagers, and retirement plan is safer.  You must be good enough to win often enough with good payout.  In my testing I used no bet selection at all, just one even chance all the time.  But both plans might be great tool if you can break even without progression, because if you use them properly, they are mild enough to give you profit about 10%-20%.  This divisor plan is just a mild progression unsuitable for negative expectation game.  It works for some time, you just have to not hit long losing streak or their series.  It is no better than any other system.

This divisor plan might be interesting to combine with progression in risk, that's something I have not tested yet.  It can deal with different payouts, what is quite unique for MM systems used in roulette, it is very versatile plan.

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 09:15:00 AM »
When I first read about the six point divisor, I thought it was the retirement plan. You're right they are quite similar, both might be useful for "parachute" type systems (where the odds are variable).

Read about the Retirement plan here. (unfortunately the link they give is broken)

by the way, that "Staking Machine" software is quite fun to play around with. The trial version (free) is limited to 10 bets but you can use the built in RNG for up to 4000 bets.
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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 10:08:31 AM »
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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 02:19:20 PM »
How did you added working hyperlink?

After your 10th post the auto-parser of the forum will kick-in even without the URL tag :)

This is an anti-spam measure.

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 01:23:52 PM »
This doesn’t look like it’s being used or advocated much anymore, i get the feeling it may be old news for people here & they've moved on, possibly after looking at it & realising it wont work long-term, but it’s been relatively successful for me (up to now).  I just wonder if anyone is still using it & can offer any further insight in to how its maybe gone longer-term for you?

I started with a 2000u br, betting 1u, & have now reached 600u, took a couple of months.

I realise that’s a pretty conservative way to go, but I’m happy with this level of risk & reward at the minute. 

The biggest drawdown I’ve had is just over 400u, I’ve then had a couple touching the 300’s, these turned in to maybe 2 hour sessions finishing where I started, but I’m pretty patient & can live with that,
the rest of it has been pretty easy-going & consistent, about 15-20u an hour on average i'd say. . 

I’m considering raising the basic betting unit to 2 now, I take note of other posts here advising to do this, also split banks ala Victor’s bank management, but has anybody had a long history with this? Winning or losing?

thanks

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2011, 04:37:26 AM »
Monaco,

I have to agree with you that there's not a better bet method.  The 6 Point Divisor can be adapted to any bet and it can be controlled with the safety brake to any degree you want.

My tendency is to over-use the safety brake and spend a lot of time digging out of a bad streak of losses, but unless you are in the worst streak from you know where, with a decent bet selection method,  I think you can eventually find yourself with your head back above water.

What if we play a 1-2-4 limited martingale and if we lose these 3 bets we will be down 7 units.  We now attempt to recover those 7 units with the 6 point divisor.  Say 7 / 4 and we never let our bet size get above say 8.  If it does, we apply the safety brake enough to get our bet size down to 2 or 3 units.

What say you my new friend.

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 12:06:56 PM »
Hi George, nice to meet you

Up to now, I’ve only been using it on dozens – haven’t tried it yet on EC’s, is that what you've been mainly using it with?

I did a bit of testing before playing for real with the safety-brake, & like you, I found that its overuse can be as problematic as its underuse.
I’ve only been applying it when the divisor is 2, or if the divisor is 3 & the target is over 30. I haven’t used it in any other circumstances.

Basically, I try to interfere with the whole thing as little as possible & so i do let it go quite a bit, a lot further than maybe you would recommend.
My own thinking has been to let the bet size go to 30-40u on each dozen, & introduce a new divisor of 6/6 here. Up until this point, I still feel relatively ok within the BR, but this does kind of feel like a potential tipping point. I was playing this last night, and got to 8/203.26x26, then moments later 6/203.34x34 – I didn't apply the safety-brake & it managed to sort itself out but maybe i was just plain lucky.
I should probably mention my bet selection here (you may want to look away now :ooh:), I go for D1 & D2, all the time, every time.

I was also considering, be interested to know what you think, to wait for D3 to hit twice before entering the game. It’s a relatively small change, but the effect would be that you enter the ‘big game’ far less often. The obvious downside is that it seems to halve the profit per hour, from about 15-20u, to 8-10u per hour. One possible amendment would be to go 1x1, 3x3 at the beginning instead of 1x1, 2x2.

Not sure what you make of that? I’m sure my bet selection horrifies you, but I place a bit of trust in the plan to work out its own problems..

am interested in your ideas for the EC's though, i'm going to have a try with that.

Cheers
Bill

(Just seen you may be on a bit of hiatus now, hope all is ok, really appreciate reading all your posts)

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Re: Lanky's 6 Point Divisor Plan
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 01:47:31 PM »
To be honest Bill, I don't have a problem at all with your bet selection.  No matter what you choose, there's going to be about 2/3 wins and there's going to be about 1/3 losses and every now and the then those losses are going to clump together and drive our bets into the stratosphere.

Taking a little risk and not applying the safety brake too much can certainly give it time to recover in big chunks quickly rather than in tiny nibbles.

There's no special bet selection for e.c.s.  My favorite is follow-the-last until I get 3 chops in a row at which time I switch to chops until I get 2 in a row and then I go back to follow-the-last.

Anytime I lose 4 in a row, I stop play until I win 2 times within 3 spins then I jump back in with follow-the-last.  I don't know for sure if this helps that much, but I have saved a few long losing runs this way.  Overall, it probably breaks about even.  It doesn't work so well if you're at a table where they frown on you sitting and not playing every spin.

Have you looked at any of the matrix ideas as a dozens bet selection method?

Divided and conquer seems to  be drawing a lot of interest.  It may be too slow for your style and in the long run, it may not be any better than just betting on the 1 & 2 dozens.

I have been playing around with an idea for betting all three dozens at the same time.

I use two different betting methods.  I bet one method for one of the dozens and I bet another method or the other two dozens.  So 1 progression is a single dozen progression and the other progression is for a double dozen bet.

In short, let's say we always bet dozen 2 with the single dozen progression and dozens 1 & 3 with the double dozens progression.  Of course we have to bet differentially so we don't lose more than we have to to the zero(s).

The progression is based on let-it-ride for the single dozen bet 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-31-35.  If I win I leave everything on the table for the next bet.  So, if I win at 6 units, I leave all 18 units on the table.  If I win, I have 54 units on the table less the 6 I originally bet for a profit of 48 units.  This will take me to plus territory and I start over at 1.

The double dozens bet is based on winning 3 times in a row. It's progression is: 1-1; 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 6-6; 9-9; 14-14; 21-21; 31-31; 47-47.  I have to win 3 times to tally recover all previous bets.  Let's say I bet 6-6 and win,  I now bet 6-6 again and win.  Next I bet 12-12 which is my original bet plus the two 6 unit wins.  If I win, I will have won 24 units and can reset to 1-1.

I play these two bet methods simultaneously.  Any time I am at a new high in my bankroll, I reset both methods to 1.  Of course the first couple or so bets may be just tracking because I am betting 1 on all 3 dozens.  If you find this interesting, give it a quick test some time.  You'll be surprised how stable it is.

It does take a lot of concentration and keeping track of where you are with the two bets, but I can also win steadily for a long time.  There are little adjustments that can be made, because when you win a double dozen bet and then lose on the 2nd bet, you move to the next level, but you really only lost half your bet, etc...

Good Luck to ya.

George


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