OK, I will not delete your posts but I may rewrite them in a format I can understand. I will then ask you if it's right.
I will use phony numbers. Here goes..............
RULE NUMBER ONE: We need two five gaps in the same dozen. They may be back-to-back, as in
Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.
OR
12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here
Now, am I correct so far?
When I get an answer, I will continue.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 02:49 PM 2012
OK, I will not delete your posts but I may rewrite them in a format I can understand. I will then ask you if it's right.
I will use phony numbers. Here goes..............
RULE NUMBER ONE: We need two five gaps in the same dozen. They may be back-to-back, as in
Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.
OR
12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here
Now, am I correct so far?
When I get an answer, I will continue.
Sam
You are spot on so far Sam both are acceptable GAME TRIGGERS.
Continuation.......
RULE NUMBER ONE: We need two five gaps in the same dozen. They may be back-to-back, as in
Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.
OR
12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here.
RULE TWO: We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in
23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.
Now we wait for the first dozen to do this
8.................1
14...............2
34...............3
18...............2..........The final trigger. We bet against the first dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 2 and 3.
Is it correct so far?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 05:48 PM 2012
Continuation.......
RULE NUMBER ONE: We need two five gaps in the same dozen. They may be back-to-back, as in
Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.
OR
12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here.
RULE TWO: We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in
23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.
Now we wait for the first dozen to do this
8.................1
14...............2
34...............3
18...............2..........The final trigger. We bet against the first dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 2 and 3.
Is it correct so far?
Sam
No this is where you are confused Sam. The BET TRIGGER (SINGLE 4 GAP) Could be on the same dozen as the GAME TRIGGER or on one of the other two. All we are interested in is the FIRST 4 GAP to form next. Do you understand this Sam? It matters not which dozen it forms on.
Secondly, once it forms we stay on whatever dozen it formed on and bet against it becoming a double. So for example
DOZEN 3
5
4
4-----GAME TRIGGER
Now the next 4 GAP- formed on DOZEN 1 So we STAY with DOZEN 1
DOZEN 1
7
8
4-----BET TRIGGER
3-----We now bet this doesn't become another 4 gap by betting on D2 and D3
Do you understand this so far?
Sam,
i think it will be correct like this :
RULE TWO: We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in
23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.
Now we wait for the second dozen to do this
18.................2
1...............1
35...............3
8...............1
The final trigger.
We bet against the second dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 1 and 3.
See what i mean ?
you have to bet against the dozen who made the second trigger...
Hope i'm right :)
Quote from: jordan69 on Sep 29, 06:12 PM 2012
Sam,
i think it will be correct like this :
RULE TWO: We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in
23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.
Now we wait for the second dozen to do this
18.................2
1...............1
35...............3
8...............1
The final trigger.
We bet against the second dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 1 and 3.
See what i mean ?
you have to bet against the dozen who made the second trigger...
Hope i'm right :)
Spot on Jordan
OK Gentlemen........Let me try to say this in my words............
1. You wait for two four gaps to form in any dozen.
2. You wait for another four gap to form in any dozen except where the two previously formed.
3. On the same dozen where the single four gap formed, you wait for this:
35..........3
23..........2
11..........1
2............1.......Now at this point you want to bet against the fourth four gap forming. A dozen three would make a four gap, so you bet dozens 1 and 2.
Is that it?
Sam
Also Sam your entire game could be played on a single dozen like the following example. But for this to happen A, you must get your BET TRIGGER on the same dozen before one of the other two dozens forms one. And the GAME TRIGGER and BET TRIGGER have to be separated by a 5 GAP or more. They cant be consecutive.
DOZEN 2---This is an example of how your entire game can occur on a single dozen.
6
4
4-----GAME TRIGGER
7-----5 Gap or more IS REQUIRED TO SEPARATE TRIGGERS
4-----BET TRIGGER
3-----We now bet on DOZEN 1 AND DOZEN 3.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 06:23 PM 2012
OK Gentlemen........Let me try to say this in my words............
1. You wait for two four gaps to form in any dozen.
2. You wait for another four gap to form in any dozen except where the two previously formed.
3. On the same dozen where the single four gap formed, you wait for this:
35..........3
23..........2
11..........1
2............1.......Now at this point you want to bet against the fourth four gap forming. A dozen three would make a four gap, so you bet dozens 1 and 2.
Is that it?
Sam
Yes SAM. Thats it Hooray. But there is one other possibility that I have just posted. In which the entire game CAN be played on a single dozen. See if you understand that Sam.
OK
I think I got it all. Back to bed for me now. That 4,875 miles I drove nearly kilt me!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 06:31 PM 2012
I think I got it all. Back to bed for me now. That 4,875 miles I drove nearly kilt me!
Get some rest. Thats a helluva trek. I dont like driving 100 miles. I dont know how you did that.
OK
One more question: Must the third gap of four be after the original two?
4
4
4
3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.
What about this:
4
4
4
3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one. Is this also a bet?
After that, I think I'm good to go.
I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong? (No offense, Kevh!)
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 07:04 PM 2012
OK
One more question: Must the third gap of four be after the original two?
4
4
4
3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.
What about this:
4
4
4
3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one. Is this also a bet?
After that, I think I'm good to go.
I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong? (No offense, Kevh!)
Sam
Yes Sam, both possibilities are acceptable. Because there can be several short gaps of 1---3 between the time you get your First 4gap and second 4gap to make your GAME TRIGGER. In the meantime another Dozen could form a 4 GAP. But we are only interested in the FIRST one to get to two. And then after that its straight forward.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 07:04 PM 2012
OK
One more question: Must the third gap of four be after the original two?
4
4
4
3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.
This is okay
What about this:
4
4
4
3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one. Is this also a bet?
No bet, only a game trigger because you need 2 4 gaps in 1 dozen for the first trigger then there needs to form 1 single 4 gap in another dozen for the second trigger and then a 3gap to bet
so your example should be
4
4
4 you get 2 4 gaps here in the first dozen, thats the first trigger
4 this is the second trigger, single 4 gap in any other dozen after 2 4gaps in another dozen
3 stay on the same dozen from the single 4gap, when 3gap forms bet against it so bet dz 1&3
After that, I think I'm good to go.
I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong? (No offense, Kevh!)stepkevh or Stephan :D
Sam
No problem Sam, but i'm pretty sure that the tracker has all the triggers right ;)
Quote from: Stepkevh on Sep 30, 12:08 AM 2012
No problem Sam, but i'm pretty sure that the tracker has all the triggers right ;)
The tracker cant be right Stephan it shows losses. Lol! Only kidding. I am 950/0 now for FIVE. When I have played 1000 games I will update results on the FIVE thread. Many thanks for all your effort with the tracker.
OK, I got two different answers so maybe I didn't ask the question right..............
We must have two four gaps in one dozen and the another in another dozen. I'm pretty sure that much is true.
Must the "gap in another dozen" come after the two others have formed, or can it be in between?
Sam
Using the Tracker in the next two screenshots:
Shott 5-1 shows the dozen in the middle of the first two. You will see the Tracker does not call for a bet.
Shot 5-2 shows the third gap coming after the first two and there is a bet called for.
Now, Jl says you can use the gap in the middle for a trigger and Stephan say you can't. Who is right?
Sam
For me, shot 5.2 is the right one.
first two "4 gaps" have to be consecutive in the same dozen.
Jl
Would you clarify this dilemma for me please?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 02, 01:20 PM 2012
Jl
Would you clarify this dilemma for me please?
Sam
I am right Sam. The dozen that is FIRST to give you a DOUBLE 4 GAP. Is your game trigger THAT NEVER CHANGES. Now the dozen that gives you your BET TRIGGER can produce that trigger at any point after the dozen with the GAME TRIGGER produced the first 4 gap. EXAMPLE
-----D2-----D3
-----02------04
-----04------03-----BET TRIGGER DOZEN 2
-----02------04-----GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 3
You see that example Sam the bet trigger came before the game trigger had completed. ALL we care about is the FIRST DOZEN to show us a DOUBLE 4 GAP. Once that happens we look for the first SINGLE 4 GAP. And bam that's our BET TRIGGER. You see with the way 1---3 gaps form theres no knowing who will be first to show us the GAME TRIGGER. But yes there was a bet in the 5.1 example chart. And Stephan has to address this with the new tracker.
***And Stephan has to address this with the new tracker.****
Thanks, Jl. That's the answer I was seeking.
Sam
Well well wel
this :question: me completely.
i refer to johns original post
THE RULES.
1, We track the dozens until one of them produces two consecutive 4 gaps as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---This is our trigger.
2, we now continue tracking until another dozen or the same dozen produces another 4 gap
. If the same dozen produces a 4 gap it must be separated from the starting trigger by a gap greater than 4 as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---Trigger
5
4--Trigger to bet.
5--Win, as it did not become another 4 gap.
Johns this is your original explanation and in the whole 18 pages there is nothing to see about the fact that there can be a bet trigger between the 2 4 gaps game trigger :question:
Quote from: Stepkevh on Oct 03, 12:48 AM 2012
Well well wel
this :question: me completely.
i refer to johns original post
THE RULES.
1, We track the dozens until one of them produces two consecutive 4 gaps as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---This is our trigger.
2, we now continue tracking until another dozen or the same dozen produces another 4 gap
. If the same dozen produces a 4 gap it must be separated from the starting trigger by a gap greater than 4 as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---Trigger
5
4--Trigger to bet.
5--Win, as it did not become another 4 gap.
Johns this is your original explanation and in the whole 18 pages there is nothing to see about the fact that there can be a bet trigger between the 2 4 gaps game trigger :question:
Stephan my appologies, my explanation didn't take into account this possibility. But its quite common.
no problem john,
will see what i can change in the tracker.
Quote from: Stepkevh on Oct 03, 02:06 AM 2012
no problem john,
will see what i can change in the tracker.
Thanks for all your effort Stephan its appreciated.
I have put John's numbers he posted on his thread into a format I can see. I hope this is right. By all accounts, it is.
Frankly, honestly---I will have to see this work to believe it. In the final analysis, when you come down to the last bet, the 9, there is no more reason for dozen one to hit than the other two. Dozen two has just as good a chance as either of the others. I see this as a method to lose slower and probably one to make the player throw up his hands and quit out of boredom from waiting for a chance to bet.
What this system depends on is the wheel being unable to continue in a certain mode. I see no reason why it can't.
Again, I offer to contribute toward creating a robot to test in hours what John proposes to do in months.
Anyone?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 04, 09:23 AM 2012
I have put John's numbers he posted on his thread into a format I can see. I hope this is right. By all accounts, it is.
Frankly, honestly---I will have to see this work to believe it. In the final analysis, when you come down to the last bet, the 9, there is no more reason for dozen one to hit than the other two. Dozen two has just as good a chance as either of the others. I see this as a method to lose slower and probably one to make the player throw up his hands and quit out of boredom from waiting for a chance to bet.
What this system depends on is the wheel being unable to continue in a certain mode. I see no reason why it can't.
Again, I offer to contribute toward creating a robot to test in hours what John proposes to do in months.
Anyone?
Sam
Lose slower? Well its sure taking its time Sam. Today it became the first method I have ever used to break the 1000. Barrier. And even more startling. I havent been taken to the 4th step of the progression for more than 2 weeks. This amazes me.
Even better BV can't even show me 6 consecutive 4 gaps on a single dozen. And I don't think 8 is coming anytime soon. Boring doesn't factor into it. Sam the turnover on RNGs is faster than other methods live.
And the wait is well worth the reward. Superman will be telling you that a year from now.
******Even better BV can't even show me 6 consecutive 4 gaps on a single dozen. And I don't think 8 is coming anytime soon.******(my reds)
John
What the heck is this?? When did 6 consecutive gaps come into play? Was my chart wrong? You have, by your own numbers, created that chart. I just re-formatted it. And what with the "single dozen" thingy?? I thought it was two dozens. Am I wrong?
Where is the six and eight coming from? Have the rules changed?
By the way, I am still 100% pulling for you to win and win big. Only a fool would want a man to lose when he could copy the system and make money from it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 04, 11:09 AM 2012
******Even better BV can't even show me 6 consecutive 4 gaps on a single dozen. And I don't think 8 is coming anytime soon.******(my reds)
John
What the heck is this?? When did 6 consecutive gaps come into play? Was my chart wrong? You have, by your own numbers, created that chart. I just re-formatted it. And what with the "single dozen" thingy?? I thought it was two dozens. Am I wrong?
Where is the six and eight coming from? Have the rules changed?
By the way, I am still 100% pulling for you to win and win big. Only a fool would want a man to lose when he could copy the system and make money from it.
Sam
Relax Sam that's a different method I'm.playing in conjunction with FIVE. I play 2--4 mthods at the same time as standard. This is why Ill never be bored.
****Relax Sam that's a different method I'm.playing in conjunction with FIVE. I play 2--4 mthods at the same time as standard. This is why Ill never be bored.*******
It is also why your test is invalid and it is also why we, your admiring public, will never be able to follow your method. Did anyone else think this was a test of the FIVE and the FIVE only? Am I the only peep in the dark here?
This is exactly why I've said over and over again, we need screen capture movies to see exactly what a person is doing.
I'm a little miffed. I've spent hours trying to understand this method, only to find out it is not the method at all--just one of a conglomerate!!
Sam
Sadly I have to agree with Sam. Im a fan JL but all the points raised by Sam are valid, imo
Atlantis avoided the subject and I wondered why until he posted he didnt understand it either. He may now I dont know but for Atlantis not to get something you know the way in which the infomation is being given is not the best
For example, Einstein, at the time, was the be all and end all on his chosen subject but could he have taught it to us ? No. It would of been way above our heads.
I teach, and you have to pitch the info to different ppl at different levels
Again, its not who is right and who is wrong its just an observation backed by fact.
Suppose you had this, using John's short hand:
A B C
4
2
4
4
5.......WIN
Now, suppose I just sat down at the table right after the first "four gap" and did not know about it. My tracking would not refelect the win. So the second "four gap" on A and the only "four gap" on B would be part of my play.
John, is that right or wrong?
Suppose by pure, Holy Luck I walked up to the table at just the time John was going to bet against the fourth "four gap" forming and I bet on the same two dozens he did.
He lost. I did the exact same thing.
He lost the second bet. I did the exact same thing.
He lost the third bet. I did the exact same thing.
He won his fourth bet. He says he is running over 1000/1 in won progressions.
The big pregunta..........
Does that mean the four times I bet just like John, I had a thousand to one chance of winning??
People, you gots to ask yourselves these questions. John should willingly answer.
Sam
I have never been trying "FIVE"!
First I do not like DD play.
Second I do not want to wait long
for a trigger.
Third I do not fancy hefty progressions
if the gain is small.
Fourth as most seems to have some
difficulties to understand the rules
i suppose I will have it as well.
I do think it can be possible to
win small and the losses may be rare.
Make 1000 wins in a row needs more than
small luck, but not impossible.
I think some of you understand how DD
can behave.