ok, so some of you will remember that I'm trying to make 5k profit from a 20k bankroll over the space of a month or so. I've gathered about 6 systems and am using them back to back. I have made 250 units today and plan to make that amount until my target is met.
Good Luck!
thanks smoczoor
which 6 systems are you using ?
i assume that you will have 25K by then.
5K is about 25% of your 20K bank, i think that would be fairly achievable depending on you how many units per chip your are playing.
due to some loses.
good luck!
just my 2 cents
Here's some math you might find interesting. It's the win formula for even chances.
W = (L + ?) / ?
1
A flat bet would be W = (L + 1) / 1. Let's say we lose 10 times. How many times would we have to win to be at +1. W = (10 + 1) /1 or W = 11/1 or W = 11.
What if we decided to bet 2 previous losses each time thus eliminating 2 losses with 1 bet.
W = (L +2) / 2. Now let's see how many wins we would need.
W = 12/2=6. So we only need 6 wins to offset 10 losses. That's 37.5% wins vs 62.5% losses.
This formula represents the cancellation or labby bet progression.
What if we decided to try to recover 3 losses with 1 win?
W = ( L +3) / 3.
W = ( 10 + 3) / 3. W = 13/3. W = 4.3 So we only need 4 wins to recover 10 losses. (We can round down since we can't bet less than a whole number.)
That's 28.5% wins vs 81.5% losses. This comes up pretty rarely when playing even chances. But it still comes up.
Now for 4 losses recovered by 1 win. W = 14/4 W = 3. Or, about 22% wins vs losses.
What this means is that if we feel we have a bet selection that guards against long series of losses, and we have a cannon for a bank roll instead of a pellet, this last formula would be almost a guaranteed winning progression. About all we'd have to worry about would be the table maximum bet.
But even that can be dealt with by dividing our losses in half and playing each line separately. As a matter of fact, we could set an amount, say when our next bet is over 400 units and at that time, we divide our losses in half. This can be done as many times as necessary until we reach a winning streak that's good enough to clear out all our lines. At 4 losses for each win, that shouldn't be too long in coming.
Just some thoughts on aggressive progressions for those who might like to think about ways to incorporate them into their playing style.
Remember, even with 25K bankroll, you still need to abide by the rule of don't risk money you can't afford to lose. Just a word of caution, my friend. Of course, I realize that anyone who has 25K bankroll will know enough about money management to not violate this rule. But all of us need to be reminded every now and then. Especially after reading something like the above.
GLC
thanks ALL for the comments.
@GLC, what approach would you recommend for your said '1 win to recoup 4 losses'? A labby and each time it gets to 4 numbers in the string add them together to make 1 number and continue?
I'm playing at paddypower live casino mainly on EC and columns. E.C limits min 2 max 5k....and columns limits min 2 max 3,600 so plenty of room with labbys as long as the starting amount or string isn't too high. I've been playing a labby line of 3 3 3 1, mainly on 2 columns (betting against the last column to show).
If I had the b*lls to play it, I'd consider something like this. Bet the sum of the 4 lowest unit losses. Of course this will be the 4 leftmost numbers in the line.
Start with no line at all.
Bet 1 and lose. Line = 1
Bet 1 and lose. Line = 1 1
Bet 2 and lose. Line = 1 1 2
Bet 4 and lose. Line = 1 1 2 4
Bet 8 and lose. Line = 1 1 2 4 8
Bet 8 and lose. Line = 1 1 2 4 8 8
Bet 8 and lose. Line = 1 1 2 4 8 8 8
Bet 8 and win. Line = 1 1 2 4 8 8 8
Bet 24 and lose. Line = 8 8 8 24
Bet 48 and lose. Line = 8 8 8 24 48
Bet 48 and lose. Line = 8 8 8 24 48 48
Bet 48 and win. Line = 8 8 8 24 48 48
Bet 96 and lose. Line = 48 48 96
Bet 192 and win. Line = 48 48 96
This is an example of 11 losses and 3 wins.
You can use a line per labby:
L Line = 1
L Line = 1 1
L Line = 1 1 2
L Line = 1 1 2 4
L Line = 1 1 2 4 8 Next we bet 1-1-4-8. 1st 2 and last 2 of line.
L Line = 1 1 2 4 8 14
L Line = 1 1 2 4 8 14 24
W Line = 1 1 2 4 8 14 24
L Line = 2 4 8 14
L Line = 2 4 8 14 28
L Line = 2 4 8 14 28 48
W Line = 2 4 8 14 28 48
L Line = 8 14 22
W Line = 8 14 22
Another way to play it is to bet every other number. Let's say we have this line:
2 4 8 12 16 20 28 48 60 68 We could bet this:
2 4 8 12 16 20 28 48 60 68
That would be a bet of 110 units instead of a bet of 134 units.
This helps moderate the size of the bets but it still only takes 1 win out of 5 to break even.
If you want to win something when the line is cleared, you have to start with some units so that when the line is cleared, you're up however many units you wrote down that weren't lost.
The way I showed you is the way to keep the bet sizes to the minimum. If you always clear and have enough bank and never reach the house limit, then there's no reason to be so conservative. You could start with something like 3 3 and when the line is finally cleared, you would win 6 units instead of break even.
Do some testing and see if this idea is something you want to take a shot at. As you can see, the bet sizes grow at an alarming rate. Not for the faint hearted nor those with a small bank.
GLC
"As you can see, the bet sizes grow at an alarming rate. Not for the faint hearted nor those with a small bank."
Amen!
Also, be aware that as your bet rises, so does your level of anxiety. (Unless you're Mr. Spock and have no emotion.) When anxiety reaches a certain level, the brain can play tricks on you.
Well, mine does anyway! Maybe I'm the exception.
GLC
I like that first one! Thanks!
Sam
Quote from: GLC on Jan 26, 10:44 AM 2013
Here's some math you might find interesting. It's the win formula for even chances.
W = (L + ?) / ?
1
A flat bet would be W = (L + 1) / 1. Let's say we lose 10 times. How many times would we have to win to be at +1. W = (10 + 1) /1 or W = 11/1 or W = 11.
What if we decided to bet 2 previous losses each time thus eliminating 2 losses with 1 bet.
W = (L +2) / 2. Now let's see how many wins we would need.
W = 12/2=6. So we only need 6 wins to offset 10 losses. That's 37.5% wins vs 62.5% losses.
This formula represents the cancellation or labby bet progression.
What if we decided to try to recover 3 losses with 1 win?
W = ( L +3) / 3.
W = ( 10 + 3) / 3. W = 13/3. W = 4.3 So we only need 4 wins to recover 10 losses. (We can round down since we can't bet less than a whole number.)
That's 28.5% wins vs 81.5% losses. This comes up pretty rarely when playing even chances. But it still comes up. The math's a little weak here. It should be 71.5% losses. Sorry.
Now for 4 losses recovered by 1 win. W = 14/4 W = 3. Or, about 22% wins vs losses.
What this means is that if we feel we have a bet selection that guards against long series of losses, and we have a cannon for a bankroll instead of a pellet, this last formula would be almost a guaranteed winning progression. About all we'd have to worry about would be the table maximum bet.
But even that can be dealt with by dividing our losses in half and playing each line separately. As a matter of fact, we could set an amount, say when our next bet is over 400 units and at that time, we divide our losses in half. This can be done as many times as necessary until we reach a winning streak that's good enough to clear out all our lines. At 4 losses for each win, that shouldn't be too long in coming.
Just some thoughts on aggressive progressions for those who might like to think about ways to incorporate them into their playing style.
Remember, even with 25K bankroll, you still need to abide by the rule of don't risk money you can't afford to lose. Just a word of caution, my friend. Of course, I realize that anyone who has 25K bankroll will know enough about money management to not violate this rule. But all of us need to be reminded every now and then. Especially after reading something like the above.
GLC
@GLC, thanks for the long reply with your suggestions. I will test them tomorrow and then give them a shot live. I have already tested the one I thought you meant earlier which is starting a labby line when losses occur and once there are 4 numbers on the line, add them together and continue. I've tried this on 2 columns again betting against the last column as i think this is the best way to play roulette with a labby and it seems to be VERY effective....although it can take a long time to make any substantial money (but profit is profit hey?..)
@Sam yes as the stakes increase so does the anxiety and stress but i think that's the only way to play labbys...they need good bankroll and most of all b**ls.
I have made my 250 units today which is good, max drawdown has been been just under 2k (my blood pressure was high at that point as you can imagine).
@GLC, sorry, i see that your 1st suggestion is the same one as i though it was. thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a go on double columns.
link:://targetbetting.blogspot.com/ (link:://targetbetting.blogspot.com/)
The above is an interesting read. I was considering the effectiveness of applying it to bets like double dozens, 5 lines, 11 streets.
For double dozens it would go something like this. Betting 1-1 on the 2 dozens of your pick.
L -2 (1-1)
L -2 (1-1)
W +1 (1-1) We're now down 3 units so we bet 4-4 on our next bet. 4-4 because we want to make 1 unit profit on a double win.
L -8 + -3 = -11 to this point.
L -2
L -2
W +1 So, -11 -2 -2 +1 = -11-3=-14 Next bet = 14-14 plus 1-1 for profit = 15-15
W +1. We are now at +1 unit overall.
What if we had a really bad streak.
LLWLLWLWLLWLWLWW
L -2 -2
L -2 -4
W +1 -3 (4-4) next bet
L -8 -11
L -2 -13
W +1 -12 (13-13) next bet
L -26 -38
W +1 -37 (38-38) next bet
L -76 -113
L -2 -115
W +1 -114 (115-115) next bet
L -230 -322
W +1 -321 (322-322) next bet
L -644 -965
W +1 -964 (965-965) next bet
W +965 -964 = +1 profit
Pretty crazy, but remember, with a big bank, playing on BV no zero roulette (playing on a single zero wheel would add some more excitement), how often do you go 14 spins without a double win? I don't know what the minimum on their no zero wheel is, probably too high to play this method.
Bet selection would be king. It always is.
GLC
Le_C,
Please don't misunderstand my last few posts. I'm not in any way suggesting that this is the way I would play if I were trying to make 250 units per day with a 25K bank.
I would have to think about that for a while since there are many good systems on this forum that can be played effectively. It depends on how much time you're willing to play for each day. Is it at a brick and mortar casino or is it on-line? A lot of factors come into play here. I'm not even sure I would play roulette if I were trying to win 250 units per day with a 25K bank.
The Star system designed for Blackjack might be interesting to look at. You can search for it on this forum. It has been discussed a few times and some interesting tweaks have been suggested to make it better.
GLC
GLC,
Thanks for your replies once again.
I have most of my days free. It takes 1-2 hours of play to make the 250 units so there's many more hours in the day that i could be playing and working towards my target a lot quicker, maybe even in a few days days but of course the more I play the more the chance of it all going wrong is greatly increased hence why i've set my target....but it does feel like there's a lot of wasted time....
I'm not too bothered which game allows me to make the target. I've played all the major casino games and done ok on all but what I find with blackjack is that it's far more likely to lose 5 times in a row than win 5 times in a row. However it seems to me that winning 5 times in a row on roulette double columns is more likely than losing 5 times in a row...
But I'll look into the star system for blackjack
I don't play Blackjack anymore, but Tomla021 has a friend who has tweaked the progression and says he's had very good luck playing it. Like many of these systems, it's a moderate progression with two recovery modes where you bet larger units to recover your base loss. I'm sure it would take an effort to get up to speed and comparing it to double dozens in roulette doesn't work.
I'm getting a few comments from the Mrs, so I'm going to have to back off from posting for a while. I've enjoyed the interchange with you.
Good luck on your quest.
Remember that knot in the stomach you got when down 2,000. If it were me, I'd take that as a sign that it would be hard to keep good control if things got much worse than that.
Discipline and patience are key.
Also, "Know thyself!"
GLC
Le_C,
I just can't help but share a new bet progression. All my progressions start with even chance bets and then I adapt them to dozens or dbl dozens etc...
This bet method is based on taking advantage of hot streaks. If you notice, most of the time when you're playing, you are having average luck. But, there are times when you're having very bad luck and other times when you're having phenomenal luck. This method exploits the latter.
A good thing about this method is that it's a flat bet, sort of.
I'll explain using e.c.s
Buy in for 12 units. Flat bet 1 unit until you have 24 units in front of you or you have 0 units. This can take a very long time or it can happen very quickly.
If you lose all 12 units, you decide if you want to call it a day or try again.
Let's assume we are on a hot streak and we win 12 more units. Put your original 12 units in your pocket and play with the 12 you just won.
Double your bet size to 2 units and play until you either get behind 4 bets or get ahead 6 bets. If you get behind 4 bets, end the session. You will have won 4 units.
If you get ahead 3 bets, put these 12 units in your pocket.
Continue play with the original 12 units you won.
Your bet size goes from 2 units to 3 units. That means we have 4 bets worth of 3 units each. If you get behind 3 bets, end the session. You will have won 3 more units.
If you get ahead 4 bets, put these 12 units in your pocket.
Continue to play with the original 12 units you won.
Your bet size goes from 3 units to 4 units. That means we have 3 bets worth of 4 units each. If you get behind 2 bets, end the session. You will have won 4 more units.
If you get ahead 3 bets, put these 12 units in your pocket.
Your bet size goes from 4 units to 6 units. That means we have 2 bets worth of 4 units each. If you get behind 1 bet, end the session. You will have won 6 more units.
If you get ahead 2 bets, put these 12 units in your pocket. That means you won 60 units. Go home. How lucky do you think you can get?
Of course, you don't have to play all 5 levels. You could only play 3 or 4 levels. And, you don't have to play until you win 12 units at each level. You could stop when you've only won 6 units or 9 units.
That means for example if you're at the 6 bet level of 2 units each, instead of playing until you're up 6 bets, you could end that level when you're up 4 bets.
You can tweak this any way you want. All you're risking at one time is 12 units and once you win at the 1st level, you walk away a winner no matter how much further you get in the progressions.
To adapt this to double dozens, I think you just basically double all the numbers with an adjustment for the difference in win values vs loss values since you lose twice as much on a loss as you win on a win.
Enjoy,
GLC
GLC, thanks for the method. It seems like an interesting little way to play. I will test it tomorrow on demo and then give it a go for real if it seems ok from the tests.
I played your 1 win for 4 losses labby method today. It does work nicely on double dozens, the only trouble is that as i guessed on live casino it takes a lot of time to make just 10 units. I think if i didn't have such a big target to make and I just wanted to make about 20-30 units per day with a couple of thousand bankroll it would be one of the best ways to play (again with the courage to use the said bankroll).
I managed to make 500 units today so I am up 1k since friday. I know i broke my rule of 250 per day but I made the first 250 very quickly and I was very bored today....of course the whole time i was making the second 250 i was thinking 'if it takes you now it's your own fault for breaking your own rules!!' 50 units of it came from the 1 win for 4 losses method.
I love to hear good news. The problem I have is that once my brain gets going, I can't turn it off.
I've been testing this newer idea. Maybe it's a new old idea, but I can't remember anyone suggesting this.
This is a meld between a single dozen and a double dozen bet.
Begin by betting 4 units on the last dozen or use your own bet selection method.
If you win, leave the 4 units on the same dozen.
When you finally lose, leave the 4 units on the same dozen and bet 1 unit on the dozen that just hit.
From this point, you must win 2 times in a row to end the attack at that level. If you hit the dozen with no bets or the dozen with 1 unit bet on it, you add 1 unit to the dozen with 1 unit on it. If you hit the dozen with 4 units on it, just spin again. Another hit on the dozen with 4 units ends this attack.
Every time you spin and lose units on the result, you add another unit to the second dozen. You do this until you reach 4 units on both dozens. At this point a loss or 2 wins in a row ends the attack.
If you have 4 units on the main dozen and 2 units on the 2nd dozen, and you hit the 2nd dozen, this is a break even and it doesn't count as a loss or a win so no new unit placed on it. If there are 4 units on the main dozen and 3 units on the 2nd dozen and you hit the 2nd dozen, this counts as one of the 2 wins in a row that ends that attack.
There's a progression to this method although if you want, you can play it flat betting. I haven't tested it but to +200 units and I was using the D'Alembert progression of +1, -1.
If you end an attack and you're still in the hole, you add 1 unit for each street and play again. That means you will start with 8 units on the main dozen (you decide how you're going to pick the main dozen) and each time you lose money on a spin, you add 2 units to the minor dozen ( you decide how you're going to pick the minor dozen). Two wins in a row where you actually win units, not just break even, end that attack or a loss once you have the same number of units on the minor dozen as on the main dozen ends the attack.
Once an attack has ended, if you're within a few units of even or you are at a new profit you re-set and if you're still in the hole, you add another unit to the bet on each street.
I say to the bet on each street, because even though we are betting on dozens, we're betting as if we're betting on streets. Our main dozen will start with 4 units at level 1, 8 units at level 2, 12 units at level 3, etc...
Our minor dozen will increase by 1 unit each loss at level 1, 2 units each loss at level 2, 3 units each loss at level 4, etc...
If you get to larger levels and you have a win, you can drop back to a smaller bet level that a good double win will reach a new profit.
I'm sorry that this is a little complicated, but a couple of readings and it should be quite clear.
I'm going to start a new topic with this idea because I think it might have some legs.
GLC
To summarize, We start by betting on our main dozen 4 units. Every time we spin and have a loss of any amount, we add 1 unit to our minor dozen. Any time we have 2 wins in a row, it ends that attack. Often we will be at a new high. Any time we lose a spin when we have 4 units on both dozens, that also ends the attack.
Any time we end the attack because we had a loss when both dozens had equal units on them, it means we are in the hole. We move up 1 level. That means we start with our main dozen having 8 units. If we end the 2nd level with a loss, then we move to the 3rd level which starts our main dozen with 12 units.
This rule of adding units after each loss up to 4 units means that the most we can lose on each attack is 5 times. It is very rare to lose 5 times because we are betting on more than half the table after the first 3 losses.
The reason I start with 4 units is because I originally started playing this way betting on 4 streets and then adding a new street after each lost spin until I had 8 streets bet. Then 2 wins in a row ends the attack or a single loss once we have 8 streets bet ends the attack.
You can play it either way. Using the dozens is a little easier to place bets, but using streets might be preferable if you have a good street bet selection method that you like.
Just in case you're wondering, I come up with these systems that start with 4 units because my airball machine is a quarter machine but it has a $1 minimum. That limits me to 10 levels to play the system with. I've never gotten passed level 5 so far. Remember, I've just begun to test this.
GLC
Pros and Cons.
Pros:
Because we have the possibility of hitting a 2:1 payoff on our 1st bet out of the box or at the start of each attack, we can recover losses very quickly.
If we fail to win early, our chances of winning 2 in a row increase as we bet on more and more lines.
An attack is limited to a maximum of 9 spins.
Cons:
The house always has a small percent advantage.
Maximum number of units that can be lost in an attack is 30.
If you use my suggested progression, with a bad enough series of spins, you can lose an indefinite amount of money so a stop-loss is a requirement.
The last con I can think of off the top of my head is that this will win steadily most of the time and it will feel like with a large enough bankroll, it can't lose. It can lose. When it does, we must have the awareness to expect to reach our stop-loss every now and then. It's what I call paying your taxes. I always remind myself that at least 90% of what I'm winning is going to be lost at some point in the future. Sometimes not so far in the future. And sometimes more than 90%.
Here's how I would play based on follow-the-last.
3rd dozen spins so I bet 4 units on the 3rd dozen.
2nd dozen spins so I lose 4 units. Next bet is still 4 units on the 3rd dozen and now 1 unit on the 2nd dozen also.
2nd dozen spins. I win 2 units on the 2nd doz and lose 4 units on the 3rd doz so -2 units net.
I place 1 more units on the 2nd dozen. Now I have 4 units on the 3rd doz and 2 units on the 2nd doz.
1st dozen spins. I lose on both dozens. -6 units. I now bet 3 units on the 2nd doz and 4 on the 3rd.
3rd dozen spins. I win 8 units less the 3 on the 2nd dozen for +5 units. I rebet the 4 units on the 3rd doz and the 3 units on the 2nd doz.
2nd dozen spins. I win 6 units on the 2nd doz and lose 4 units on the 3rd dozen.
That's 2 wins in a row, so I end this attack.
I'm -5 units for this attack so I should move to 2 units per bet or I could be more conservative and stay at 1 unit per bet because a good result on this next attack at the 1 level could pull me back to even.
Remember, this was originally designed to be played on streets which I think is a better way to play it.
This appears to be a pretty strong system but they all do until they fall apart.
Enough said.
Questions are welcome.
GLC
GLC, I have replied to your PM.
I am doing some more tests on demo with your suggestions. Not having much luck at the minute though 4 zeros in 7 spins...what are the chances? The joys of RNG ;D
GLC,
What bank is need to play somewhat safe with 1 win for 4 loses method with even chance? Maybe around 50 000 :) ?
I'd say 3k minimum for cancellation systems. And you must be prepared to stake it all if the time comes. No good putting 3k in your account and then losing your nerve when the drawdown gets to -500 or something. If you can only handle losing 500, only have a 500 bankroll.
Yeah, I think that 3K is abosulute minimum....may be your bankroll of 25 000 is good enough to survive bad runs
tbh as I'm playing double columns i haven't yet had a really nasty run (that's not to say i wont though) the max drawndown is 2k. I wouldn't play this on E.C like red/black. I've found the hit rate to be terrible with labbys on e.c whether it be betting on the last colour spun or the penultimate one spun etc... I'm surprised myself as to how well the labby on double columns is doing (not that I want to sound too c***y just yet as I still respect the wheel and know it could turn against me any time) the good thing about doing labby on double columns is the hit rate is very good so the strings don't get too big very often, sometimes can clear a few lines in one go without a loss. But the bad thing about it is having to write down double to loss so the stakes get high quickly even if the string isn't that big.
I'll see how it goes and i may just reduce my bankroll to 5k...linking to what i said before of having a bankroll of what you want to risk.
don't play columns. play lines, streets and/or corners. That's probably the optimal solution. Not too many chips, fast layout, not too complicated combinations (unlike single numbers and splits), but You can cover as much table as u want with DIFFERENT combinations. Columns, dozens are very dangerous. Very strict combinations of numbers
which make them easy chance to lose many times. Think about it. You play the same 12 numbers very frequently.
Clear road to disaster. Remember -- outside bets are a very good choice for outsiders.
"i may just reduce my bankroll to 5k" --that's the best idea u got so far
just my couple of cents
Quote from: Le_Chiffre on Jan 28, 12:42 PM 2013
I'll see how it goes and i may just reduce my bankroll to 5k...linking to what i said before of having a bankroll of what you want to risk.
I agree with Iggiv on this one. Why not have 5 banks of 5K. That gives you 5 shots at beating this crazy game. Betting $5 units, that's 5 banks of 1000 units each.
If you lose a bank, you can do a gut check to see if you really want to continue.
GLC
Quote from: Le_Chiffre on Jan 28, 12:42 PM 2013
to be honest as I'm playing double columns i haven't yet had a really nasty run (that's not to say i won't though) the max drawndown is 2k. I wouldn't play this on E.C like red/black. I've found the hit rate to be terrible with labbys on e.c whether it be betting on the last colour spun or the penultimate one spun etc... I'm surprised myself as to how well the labby on double columns is doing (not that I want to sound too c***y just yet as I still respect the wheel and know it could turn against me any time) the good thing about doing labby on double columns is the hit rate is very good so the strings don't get too big very often, sometimes can clear a few lines in one go without a loss. But the bad thing about it is having to write down double to loss so the stakes get high quickly even if the string isn't that big.
I'll see how it goes and i may just reduce my bankroll to 5k...linking to what i said before of having a bankroll of what you want to risk.
---And while on column 1,2 with red/32 numbers active.......columns 1,3,with black,
also 32 numbers...if you interested can pm me and shall explain bet selection.......and some other secrets about this miracle bet.
i don't believe in miracle bets...Especially the same exact bets...They are DANGEROUS
ok so I'm 2k up now so i've reduced my bankroll seeing as the most drawdown i've encountered has been 2k (obviously it could be more than that in the future but hey).
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 29, 08:55 AM 2013
i don't believe in miracle bets...Especially the same exact bets...They are DANGEROUS
expect that those are not same exact bets but circling round as the situation requires.
it's extremely hard to predict one or 2 of 3 groups of 12 numbers. Take to the account zero as well.
Now if u make groups of 6 numbers (lines-double streets), it becomes quite more realistic task. Because u can include here zero as well (to bet sometimes 4 numbers 0,1,2,3 instead of 6). Also u can bet line 1-6, or u can bet 4-9. U can be way more flexible.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 29, 02:17 PM 2013
it's extremely hard to predict one or 2 of 3 groups of 12 numbers. Take to the account zero as well.
Now if u make groups of 6 numbers (lines-double streets), it becomes quite more realistic task. Because You can include here zero as well (to bet sometimes 4 numbers 0,1,2,3 instead of 6). Also You can bet line 1-6, or You can bet 4-9. You can be way more flexible.
In this bet dear Iggiv zero is always in the play after 2 loses in the row...am not so
sure you know what am I about here.32 number bet either way,investing 3 un.x5,
lose 3,win 2,or come egal..zero always wins 1x5.....do some mats 2/1 odds against
this bet and you might come to some conclusions.
congrats!
Quote from: Le_Chiffre on Jan 29, 01:39 PM 2013
ok so I'm 2k up now so i've reduced my bankroll seeing as the most drawdown i've encountered has been 2k (obviously it could be more than that in the future but hey).
ok, I managed to get up to 3k profit but this morning I suffered a bad run and decided to throw in the towel at 1k stop loss, so i'm back to 2k now.
I speak only for myself:
That is the problem with fun money testing. I can do all kinds of brave things! With real money, I throw in the towel. For me, this always loses.
Sam
Sam, i think it's partly because I drastically lowered my bankroll. I'm pretty sure I could have cleared the line if I had my original bankroll (although there's nothing to stop me topping up my bankroll and starting with a labby line of 1k :D i.e where i left off........don't think im brave enough now the moment's past).
Is a bit annoying losing 1k clearing a 10 unit labby line. 2k for 6 days isn't bad though. So i'll just carry on.
ok guys it's bad news and more bad news for me. A couple of weeks on and my 2k profits slowly disappeared i'm sorry to say. So today i started properly again with a bankroll of 3k. I began by playing other casino games with some good success. I surprisingly easily made +600 units playing Casino Hold'em over a few hours but then made a slight loss of 100 units. I had a mental stop loss of 100 units BUT stupidly decided that +500 for a days play wasn't good enough and I went over to roulette to try and make up the loss quickly and ended up making the classic mistake of throwing good money after bad, resulting in a crazy overall days loss of 3,600 units. If I'd have just stayed at the Hold'em table at 3,500 after the 100 loss I probably would have made it back within half and hour-to-one hour doing what i was doing earlier.
I've played casino games and played the financial markets for years but today's the first time I really fell into the proper compulsive gamblers trap and felt the uncontrollable urge to keep going till bust 'in the moment'. Expensive lesson learned.
Just updating you guys. I hope you're having better luck than me right now.
Le_Chiffre, Thanks for your post.
It's one we all need to see and ponder at length.
Do I have the self discipline to resist that urge to win back my losses quickly and wind up giving the casino much more than I ever dreamed I would in one sitting.
It's a demon we must all defeat. He roams the aisles of the casinos looking for his prey. He catches us at our weakest moment. Some of the time we resist his temptations but it only takes one fall to crush our resolve.
Each one of us must look in the mirror before we go to play and remind ourselves that if we're going to defeat this game, we must be professionals always. All lapses are expensive.
Thanks again and good luck from now on,
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Feb 11, 12:07 AM 2013
Le_Chiffre, Thanks for your post.
It's one we all need to see and ponder at length.
Do I have the self discipline to resist that urge to win back my losses quickly and wind up giving the casino much more than I ever dreamed I would in one sitting.
It's a demon we must all defeat. He roams the aisles of the casinos looking for his prey. He catches us at our weakest moment. Some of the time we resist his temptations but it only takes one fall to crush our resolve.
Each one of us must look in the mirror before we go to play and remind ourselves that if we're going to defeat this game, we must be professionals always. All lapses are expensive.
Thanks again and good luck from now on,
GLC
thanks GLC.
Thankfully I took the advice of yourself, iggiv and others and only put in 3k bankroll this time and not 20k. The mood I was in yesterday I dread to think but I could have been tempted to put 5/10k down on Red or a single dozen or something crazy if I had the bankroll....
At least 3k, even though still a lot of money isn't anywhere near as bad as 20k.....and is possible to recover fairly quickly from as long as I don't make the same mistake.....and try not to make it back in one afternoon.
Thanks again to the all people that have suggested advice over the last couple of weeks.
The target it now 8k. Annoying to think that just 10 days ago I was in 3k profit and was 2k away from making my target and now here I am worse off than when I started.....but I guess it's a classic mistake taking 1 step forwards and then 2 steps back.
I will start again next week and try not to think too much about it this week so I can start again completely fresh, almost as a new player.
good luck guys.
Quote from: Le_Chiffre on Feb 10, 08:38 PM 2013
ok guys it's bad news and more bad news for me. A couple of weeks on and my 2k profits slowly disappeared i'm sorry to say. So today i started properly again with a bankroll of 3k. I began by playing other casino games with some good success. I surprisingly easily made +600 units playing Casino Hold'em over a few hours but then made a slight loss of 100 units. I had a mental stop-loss of 100 units BUT stupidly decided that +500 for a days play wasn't good enough and I went over to roulette to try and make up the loss quickly and ended up making the classic mistake of throwing good money after bad, resulting in a crazy overall days loss of 3,600 units. If I'd have just stayed at the Hold'em table at 3,500 after the 100 loss I probably would have made it back within half and hour-to-one hour doing what i was doing earlier.
I've played casino games and played the financial markets for years but today's the first time I really fell into the proper compulsive gamblers trap and felt the uncontrollable urge to keep going till bust 'in the moment'. Expensive lesson learned.
Just updating you guys. I hope you're having better luck than me right now.
LC,
Are you still playing your starting method?????Did you had a look or consider my suggestion.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 11, 06:21 AM 2013
LC,
Are you still playing your starting method?????Did you had a look or consider my suggestion.
ilukan, yes I have been playing your method. it was a slow but nice system that I used in conjunction with other systems successfully so thank you for your help and input. I also adapted it a little bit and used it combined with a labby with good results.
Unfortunately the reason for yesterdays loss was because I tried to make up a 100 unit loss quickly, without playing any system, just recklessly putting money down on E.C and columns without any progression or plan. I got lost in the moment and was putting hundred chips down, then after a while of no success 500s then 1000s........then of course bust.
I will have to rebuild my account slowly and keep in my mind always that slowly growing the profits is the way forward, not trying to make a fortune over night.