These are 100 distances, (shortest distance) half taken live from DublinBet, other half from list of livespins.
Why am I not suprised by these results? I knew before that very small or large distances are not common. So, perhaps it's possible to make a more accurate wheel strategy...
5,3,6,11,2,15,10,11,16,1 = Average dist 8
7,6,1,16,10,11,11,3,6,10 = Average dist 7
9,15,8,5,8,15,3,4,11,10 = Average dist 9
13,10,9,4,5,4,9,3,7,9 = Average dist 7
4,17,2,2,4,13,15,2,2,14 = Average dist 7,5
6,7,4,17,3,16,4,15,10,12 = Average dist 9
12,9,6,14,11,10,12,9,5,17 = Average dist 10,5
13,7,10,17,13,0,13,8,1,12 = Average dist 9
16,4,3,8,9,9,1,2,1,9 = Average dist 6
18,16,7,1,15,10,3,16,9,17 = Average dist 11
Total Average distance = 8,4
I was inspired by Kattila and rouletteKEY. :) Now, what distances should be included? If bet is no more than 9 units etc?
Perhaps distances 8 9 10 11 -> That's a 8 number bet (four on each side) ? Or spread like 6 8 10 12 ?....Uneven spread 5,7,9,11..
TO WIN all examples above betting distances must be 2,4,5,7,8,9,10 I really like to include 11 also. There is no way around it??
This will be a 14-15 number bet.
8 can be replaced by 11. So my ultimate distance bet would be 2,4,5,7,9,10,11 That's a 14 numbers bet.
5 can be removed also. So, distances will be 2,4,7,9,10,11 (12 numbers bet)...
That's the best I can figure right now. IF you got better ideas, let me know.
Won’t work.
Whatever group of distances you choose to bet on there will always be enough groups of remaining distances to sustain the house edge.
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 06, 06:45 PM 2013
Won’t work.
Whatever group of distances you choose to bet on there will always be enough groups of remaining distances to sustain the house edge.
House Edge? I Got more than house edge, when I KNOW the average distance hit. In my example average distance 8, so betting around this distance will give an advantage.
Of course random deviations can happen. True, but in the long run average distance hit should work. (At least in theory!) ;D
Geez, I wonder why I didn't think of something like this?
:xd:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 06, 07:12 PM 2013
Geez, I wonder why I didn't think of something like this?
:xd:
You already got your supertracker Sam! :) What you complaining about?
How is it going btw? You winning anything? :D
OK now let's take this betting distances as an example 2,4,7,9,10,11 (12 numbers bet)
5,3,6,11,2,15,10,11,16,1 = LLLWWLWWLL = 4w
7,6,1,16,10,11,11,3,6,10 = LLLLWWWLLW= 4w
9,15,8,5,8,15,3,4,11,10 = WLLLLLLWWW= 4w
13,10,9,4,5,4,9,3,7,9 = LWWWLWWLWW= 7w
4,17,2,2,4,13,15,2,2,14 = WLWWWLLWWL= 6w
6,7,4,17,3,16,4,15,10,12 = LWWLLLWLWL= 4w
12,9,6,14,11,10,12,9,5,17 = LWLLWWLWLL= 4w
13,7,10,17,13,0,13,8,1,12 = LWWLLLLLLL= 2w
16,4,3,8,9,9,1,2,1,9 = LWLLWWLWLW= 5w
18,16,7,1,15,10,3,16,9,17 = LLWLLWLLWL=3w
Total = 43/100 = 43% winrate
"Normal" winrate for 12 numbers should be 33%... well? Talk about House Edge?!
hope you got another 1000 SEK to lose ^-^
Quote from: maestro on Feb 06, 07:46 PM 2013
hope you got another 1000 SEK to lose ^-^
Very funny. What's your problem? I only lost 360. And i WON 1900 before I lost, but that doesn't matter.
that's interesting observation about average distances. But how do u calculate them? Between consecutive spins or starting from some spin pocket point?
You need alot more spins before you get too excited...alot more spins...but if you are going to go on a method using wheel movements I am glad you are going pocket by pocket...that way if you see the need to adapt the size of the sector you can do it easily with no additional tracking work.
Keep testing... 100 spins is not anywhere near a basis for analyzing numbers...let alone projecting a method out of it
I am not a wheel bias guy...but if you are...you will want to keep the numbers separated and classified by wheel
Thousands and thousands of spins...also...remember averages aren't everything
I don't see any numbers over 18...does your proposed method not need data regarding whether it's clockwise or counterclockwise from the last pocket hit? Might be useful data while you are tracking. Whether you think the data has bearing on whatever you are going to do or not...the more data you have, the more accurate and the more thorough...the easier it will be to make a basis for your next method...plus...they all tend to morph...so if you have data that's useless now...might be nice when someone suggests a tweak to already have the data at your fingertips and not have to backtrack and recalculate.
Log every bit of data you can...and you only have to do it once...then you can apply whatever method you formulate in the future much much much easier.
A few things that you may want to consider when taking this path
Did the ball move forward on the wheel or backwards from the last pocket?
if it went backwards 8 pockets ( it needs to be logged as minus 8 ) and the next one went forward 8 pockets...your average is now 0...which wasn't anywhere close on either spin
Make sure your data is good...remember garbage in...garbage out
Is there any way to track wheel sectors and hot numbers simultaneously? How about neighbors to the hot numbers?
When coming up with an overall method and gameplan....these may all be important things to consider.
When the ball is moving x amount of pockets is anything else "randomly" happening that you can identify.
It would take me more time just to figure out how exactly I wanted to develop a comprehensive tracker than you have in your preliminary testing.
Are there times that happen on a regular basis when pocket movements are x? Are the pocket movements totally random with no discernable pattern whatsoever...or do they tend to move in waves like repeating numbers? Would probably be interesting to look at and have some thoughts about.
Maybe not a single thing comes out of a ridiculously involved testing process...or maybe a light goes on that gives you something 10% new that allows you to make a better planned attack, even if it only happens every x amount of spins. Sometimes you just have to run all the numbers to rule certain things as unviable or open your eyes to other potential possibilities that you had never before even considered.
Just throwing some things out there for your consideration.
PS Less numbers are a good thing
PSS Big progressions...usually a really bad thing...just sayin'
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 06, 07:16 PM 2013
You already got your supertracker Sam! :) What you complaining about?
How is it going by the way? You winning anything? :D
ignatus
Was I complaining? Funny, I thought I was one of the guys who has been encouraging you. Silly me!
Yep, I have my SuperTracker, (and thanks for the name!) and I have it because I paid for it. The TwoCat SuperTracker!! I love it!!
What is really, really going well is Stef and Nick's Excel Bot. I am fighting off the sin of hubris.
Yes, it is going very well. I am hung up on how to make a video. >:( My new software is smarter than I. (Notice I didn't say "me"?)
You keep plugging away!
Good on ya, mate!
Sam
Quote from: iggiv on Feb 06, 08:24 PM 2013
that's interesting observation about average distances. But how do u calculate them? Between consecutive spins or starting from some spin pocket point?
10 spins are consecutive in my example. 50 spins I took live from DublinBet, the other 50 from a list of livespins. I don't really understand your question :S Anyway, that's how I did it. (see pic)
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 06, 09:16 PM 2013
You need a lot more spins before you get too excited...a lot more spins...but if you are going to go on a method using wheel movements I am glad you are going pocket by pocket...that way if you see the need to adapt the size of the sector you can do it easily with no additional tracking work.
Keep testing... 100 spins is not anywhere near a basis for analyzing numbers...let alone projecting a method out of it
I am not a wheel bias guy...but if you are...you will want to keep the numbers separated and classified by wheel
Thousands and thousands of spins...also...remember averages aren't everything
I don't see any numbers over 18...does your proposed method not need data regarding whether it's clockwise or counterclockwise from the last pocket hit? Might be useful data while you are tracking. Whether you think the data has bearing on whatever you are going to do or not...the more data you have, the more accurate and the more thorough...the easier it will be to make a basis for your next method...plus...they all tend to morph...so if you have data that's useless now...might be nice when someone suggests a tweak to already have the data at your fingertips and not have to backtrack and recalculate.
Log every bit of data you can...and you only have to do it once...then you can apply whatever method you formulate in the future much much much easier.
A few things that you may want to consider when taking this path
Did the ball move forward on the wheel or backwards from the last pocket?
if it went backwards 8 pockets ( it needs to be logged as minus 8 ) and the next one went forward 8 pockets...your average is now 0...which wasn't anywhere close on either spin
Make sure your data is good...remember garbage in...garbage out
Is there any way to track wheel sectors and hot numbers simultaneously? How about neighbors to the hot numbers?
When coming up with an overall method and gameplan....these may all be important things to consider.
When the ball is moving x amount of pockets is anything else "randomly" happening that you can identify.
It would take me more time just to figure out how exactly I wanted to develop a comprehensive tracker than you have in your preliminary testing.
Are there times that happen on a regular basis when pocket movements are x? Are the pocket movements totally random with no discernable pattern whatsoever...or do they tend to move in waves like repeating numbers? Would probably be interesting to look at and have some thoughts about.
Maybe not a single thing comes out of a ridiculously involved testing process...or maybe a light goes on that gives you something 10% new that allows you to make a better planned attack, even if it only happens every x amount of spins. Sometimes you just have to run all the numbers to rule certain things as unviable or open your eyes to other potential possibilities that you had never before even considered.
Just throwing some things out there for your consideration.
PS Less numbers are a good thing
PSS Big progressions...usually a really bad thing...just sayin'
That's good ideas. Thanks.
Well, the problem remains how to decrease the numbers? 8 number is the absolute minumum in my opinion, (4 on each side).... I don't know really how to make a more accurate prediction, and the relation of each spin etc.... I can do 100 more spins today, if the results are the same, we'll see. Furthermore, i don't know how to use clockwise/anticlockwise calculation? (haven't studied that)...
How you figure to include hotnumbers AND average distance without increasing the numbers bet? I think 12 number is OK, (six on each side) now some complain and say no more than 9 number should be bet?
I was thinking if average distance is 8, then generate 4 random distances between 4-12? That's one idea. Still the question how to make a more accurate prediction AND use less numbers?
You've got the data, you'll get more soon....
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 06, 09:55 PM 2013
ignatus
Was I complaining? Funny, I thought I was one of the guys who has been encouraging you. Silly me!
Yep, I have my SuperTracker, (and thanks for the name!) and I have it because I paid for it. The TwoCat SuperTracker!! I love it!!
What is really, really going well is Stef and Nick's Excel Bot. I am fighting off the sin of hubris.
Yes, it is going very well. I am hung up on how to make a video. >:( My new software is smarter than I. (Notice I didn't say "me"?)
You keep plugging away!
Good on ya, mate!
Sam
That's great Sam. You've got the most advanced system for tracking wheel distances so far. I have no idea about clockwise and anticlockwise, you find any pattern etc? That's a very good thing. How many numbers is you average bet?
ignatus
I'm going to make a new movie today, if I can. Perhaps you should take a break and watch it. I bet 19 numbers. Some say that's too many. To each his own.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 07, 08:01 AM 2013
ignatus
I'm going to make a new movie today, if I can. Perhaps you should take a break and watch it. I bet 19 numbers. Some say that's too many. To each his own.
Sam
Alright! I will watch it. Well, that's not bad! 9 number on each side (18 numbers bet) would be pretty good, IF use it in this system average dist 8, bet would be dist 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12
Now I'm trying for less numbers if possible....I Had another idea:
Trigger could be when distance is less than 5 or more then 14 ... That would eliminate some losses... Problem is I cannot make a tracker for that kind of bet. Struggling before with my statistical software STATA to calculate distance between streets etc.... STILL haven't figured it out. That's pretty bad. :-\
Cheers
I don't know if more statistics is necessary? Distance is between 0-18. My 100 spins statistics showed average distance is 8 That's logical? 18/2=9
SO, now WE know average distance is 8. Using trigger bet after a very high or very low distance..... I think this is a very good idea.
Now, only one problem remains: HOW to pick the distance for this kind of bet? What distances should be bet? How many numbers should be included...?
Had another bright idea! ;D I can make a chart that includes all numbers and distances. X=0-36 Y=0-36
So, no bot/tracker is necessary; That's chart can be used by everyone; people can play their own betting-style, triggers, numbers bet etc.....
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 06, 09:55 PM 2013
I am fighting off the sin of hubris.
Hey Sam...I own the franchise on the whole hubris thing...does that mean I get royalties?
That's a lot of work doing this Universal distance chart for European Wheels.
It will take a few hours to make. BRB
This is how it will look like (see pic) The universal distance chart.
You can bet any distance, choose your own numbers to bet. You can use any trigger and so on.
It will be very easy with this chart.
It's 36*36 =1296 distances, I've finished number 1. I have to do it all manually ... Distances are 0-18
....thing is, that average distance will not help you.
i did once spins analys looking for:
how many times number X have hit after number Y
(you can apply this to your distances)
from few charts in that post you can see that results look a bit different on different spins but combining them together the conclusion is:
after X number, any number will hit equally often.
translating:
after number X have appeared distance in which next number will appear will be equally distributed over large spins sample.
here is the link:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0)
Quote from: ophis on Feb 07, 12:14 PM 2013
....thing is, that average distance will not help you.
after X number, any number will hit equally often.
translating:
after number X have appeared distance in which next number will appear will be equally distributed over large spins sample.
I cannot say this is true? I've done my own statistics (not many numbers) But enough to see that there is a difference: Small distances and large distance hit less.
So, This can be used ....Trigger: Wait for a small or large distance .....
How can it be equal? From 100 spins average distance was 8. How you mean that won't help? Of course it will be an advantage to bet the average distance. Waiting for the trigger......etc
What he is saying is that over time... with enough spins... all numbers will equal out and thus all distances will even out.
Methods are science projects.
You are either confirming his theory or your theory...or maybe you find something in-between.
Only testing will show you where there is validity. That's why we test, test, test and then test some more before we play with real money (that is if we have an expectation in our head that we anticipate to win)
It's a science project. Keep your control groups (wheels) and conditions (rotation direction) in separate groups and test. It's the only way you will know where the truth lies.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 07, 01:03 PM 2013
What he is saying is that over time... with enough spins... all numbers will equal out and thus all distances will even out.
This is just bullshit. Wish I could prove it with more statistics- IF average distance is 8 all spins
cannot be the same. And as I've already said large and small distances hit LESS.
That's why you are testing...to prove to yourself what the real answer is and what you can do with this newfound knowledge to give yourself an edge... whatever your testing proves.
There are no quick and/or easy answers here.
People have been working on these same problems for more years than any of us have been on this earth. It's all a process...welcome to the game
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 07, 12:34 PM 2013
I cannot say this is true? I've done my own statistics (not many numbers)
Thats exactly why this method will fail... again.
You have statistics from lets say one week.... that does not mean next week your average will not change.
when im telling your that based on statistics from few years (10million spins), 12 numbers can sleep for 89 spins then you are telling me that you never saw 12 numbers sleep for more that 9 spins and you will be rich.
one week later: BUST.
so now im telling you again and last time. based on statistics from LONG period, your observation of average distances is VOID.
...ignorance is bliss.
Quote from: ophis on Feb 07, 01:40 PM 2013
that's exactly why this method will fail... again.
You have statistics from lets say one week.... that does not mean next week your average will not change.
when I'm telling your that based on statistics from few years (10million spins), 12 numbers can sleep for 89 spins then you are telling me that you never saw 12 numbers sleep for more that 9 spins and you will be rich.
one week later: BUST.
so now I'm telling you again and last time. based on statistics from LONG period, your observation of average distances is VOID.
...ignorance is bliss.
This is where your theory fails. If you see this statistics (my 100 spins first post) you see exactly what I mean: 0 and 18 are the
lest hit distances. 9 and 10 the
most hit distances. (average dist)
Ignatus i just start working in pocket distances tracker, give me a few days to finish. It will give i full stats.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 07, 02:45 PM 2013
...your theory fails
Sorry mate. Its not a theory.
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 07, 02:53 PM 2013
Ignatus i just start working in pocket distances tracker, give me a few days to finish. It will give i full stats.
Thanks, but I think We've already got the facts we need.
I'm thinking of doing a tracker betting distances 8 9 10 only. Those are the most hit distances. (in the exact middle) That will be a 6 numbers bet. So, all be satisfied. Think that can work very well. And my theory has proven to be true:
Average distance is most hit
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 07, 03:03 PM 2013
Thanks, but I think We've already got the facts we need.
I'm thinking of doing a tracker betting distances 8 9 10 only. Those are the most hit distances. (in the exact middle) That will be a 6 numbers bet. So, all be satisfied. Think that can work very well. And my theory has proven to be true: Average distance is most hit
Is like that "supertracker" like u see in Sam video :)
Quote from: Orochi on Feb 07, 03:09 PM 2013
Is like that "supertracker" like u see in Sam video :)
OKey Nice! ;D
Quote from: ophis on Feb 07, 03:00 PM 2013
Sorry mate. Its not a theory.
This is not a theory either? Why you deny the facts? These are real live spins (see pic)
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 07, 01:20 PM 2013
This is just B.S.. Wish I could prove it with more statistics- IF average distance is 8 all spins cannot be the same. And as I've already said large and small distances hit LESS.
Ignatus, even if they hit less there's more of them. That's why 8 is the average.
So when you bet on distance 8, you are betting against distance 2,4,6,10,12,14 to name a few.
::)
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 07, 03:22 PM 2013
Ignatus, even if they hit less there's more of them. That's why 8 is the average.
So when you bet on distance 8, you are betting against distance 2,4,6,10,12,14 to name a few.
::)
Are you drunk or stoned?? ;D
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 07, 03:41 PM 2013
Yes. :)
OK nice
_\|/_ 8) Well, I'm doing a tracker for this one now! Distance 8 9 10
Ignatus...you are a long way from developing a working theory here...I would let Orochi finish the tracker so you can really log enough spins before you go off half c***ed and then have to recant a ton of statements. You don't have near enough meaningful data to make any steadfast assertions.
For the record Ophis is exactly right here...at the 12 million spin mark it will all be pretty even (it won't take anywhere near 12 million to level out, I think he used the 12 million number so I just threw it back into the fray)...I think your goal is to find something that happens somewhat regularly in short runs that can be exploited. Just like the guys chasing EC patterns...only yours will be able to recover faster and win more because of the longer odds (assuming of course that you can seemingly build a significant edge with your bet selection and money management techniques) Like I said...a loooong way to go
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 07, 04:04 PM 2013
Ignatus...you are a long way from developing a working theory here...I would let Orochi finish the tracker so you can really log enough spins before you go off half c***ed and then have to recant a ton of statements. You don't have near enough meaningful data to make any steadfast assertions.
For the record Ophis is exactly right here...at the 12 million spin mark it will all be pretty even (it won't take anywhere near 12 million to level out, I think he used the 12 million number so I just threw it back into the fray)...I think your goal is to find something that happens somewhat regularly in short runs that can be exploited. Just like the guys chasing EC patterns...only yours will be able to recover faster and win more because of the longer odds (assuming of course that you can seemingly build a significant edge with your bet selection and money management techniques) Like I said...a loooong way to go
Really? I have had the same results from two statistics. The facts:
Average distance hit more, smaller distances hit less. Using trigger when a small or large distance hit playing this (now with a 6 numbers bet) there will be a clear advantage. This is facts from statistics. (not my theory) Even though 100 or 200 spins, this is clear Why do 1 million spins. When The deviation is obvious
@ignatus best distance to play for you ignatus is the longest distance between you and roulette,this is the only way not to embarrassing yourself.......... :thumbsup: :'(
Quote from: maestro on Feb 07, 04:19 PM 2013
@ignatus best distance to play for you ignatus is the longest distance between you and roulette,this is the only way not to embarrassing yourself.......... :thumbsup: :'(
Are you blind man? See the picture. That's facts. I'm not making this up
Ignatus...you're digging yourself a hole here. 100 spins is a statistically insignificant number no matter what you are doing on a roulette wheel...I get that many spins in an hour and a half on a roulette evolution wheel.
Patience...if this is something you intend to pursue to prove or disprove whatever theories abound...you need a lot more spins...hang on for the tracker and see if your thoughts regarding this change.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 07, 04:32 PM 2013
Ignatus...you're digging yourself a hole here. 100 spins is a statistically insignificant number no matter what you are doing on a roulette wheel...I get that many spins in an hour and a half on a roulette evolution wheel.
Patience...if this is something you intend to pursue to prove or disprove whatever theories abound...you need a lot more spins...hang on for the tracker and see if your thoughts regarding this change.
Yes, ofcourse more stats are needed. But think again? What are the odds for distance 0 and 18 to be the least hit distance and 9 and 10 the most hit distance?? There is no logic or obvious pattern here? And why do everybody now deny this fact?? It's not just a "random result"
Understand cause and effect and model the process
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 07, 04:36 PM 2013
Yes, ofcourse more stats are needed. But think again? What are the odds for distance 0 and 18 to be the least hit distance and 9 and 10 the most hit distance?? There is no logic or obvious pattern here? And why do everybody now deny this fact?
I haven't seen anyone deny that in 100 spins you got what you got for results...I see everyone telling you that 100 spins does not make a method...it barely hints at a method actually.
I urge you to just wait for the tracker and then really log some numbers and see how it turns out for yourself...in the meantime you are not helping your cause by arguing your case with 100 spin data sets.
I'm trying to help you here...
...and I don't even have a dog in this fight because you know it's pretty unlikely I'm gonna bet more than a couple numbers... so whatever happens here barring some ridiculously unsuspected results...just isn't gonna do a whole lot for me
Quote from: Steve on Feb 07, 04:42 PM 2013
Understand cause and effect and model the process
Cause and Effect...is that kinda like...here comes another post...oh cr*p blood started shooting out of my eyes again! ;D
Quote from: Steve on Feb 07, 04:42 PM 2013
Understand cause and effect and model the process
Hi Steve! :D How you doing?
I must be on the right track here since Steve makes a comment! ;D ::) :P :ooh: :love: >:D :wink:
Key
I will not pay royalties on the sin of hubris. I do believe in it--something like a karmic reaction. I do my best to remember what the punishment for the sin of hubris is. I'm not to self flagelation, but close!
Sam
Average Distance Tracker is finished!
This is meant for European Live Wheels not RNG-roulette
Distances 8,9,10 are bet! (6 numbers)
Triggers/stopploss/progression or flatbet has not been decided yet!
8+9+10=27 average =9
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18=144 average =9.6
DOOMED!
No matter what combination of distances you include in your bet, you will never get the average to move ahead of the remaining distances average anywhere near enough to impact on the house edge.
This has been done to death, but keep exploring for yourself........................in case you didn't know, notepad's a good place for that. :xd:
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 07, 11:02 PM 2013
8+9+10=27 average =9
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18=144 average =9.6
DOOMED!
No matter what combination of distances you include in your bet, you will never get the average to move ahead of the remaining distances average anywhere near enough to impact on the house edge.
This has been done to death, but keep exploring for yourself........................in case you didn't know, notepad's a good place for that. :xd:
Yes, perhaps you're right.
Played my first session live at DB:
LLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLW
Not very impressive results, and the expected advantage can be questioned? Although hits seems to be regular, .....playing with trigger bet after X number of losses can work Perhaps.
ignatus
I will soon post a video. If you watch it carefully you will see some interesting things. I'm sure the naysayers will beat it to death, but it has gone from 300 E to over 1850. Probably all luck.
One guy was banned from an on-line casino for using it on airball. Wish he'd come forward and testify!! Nope, can't name him. If he wants to be named, he'll do it.
Sam
I just did a short session with help of the tracker.
A played rng at unibet, i did +78 unit ,only flatbet , no progression at all in 30 spins.
Agesta
RNG! :xd:
OK good,
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 07, 11:39 PM 2013
ignatus
I will soon post a video. If you watch it carefully you will see some interesting things. I'm sure the naysayers will beat it to death, but it has gone from 300 E to over 1850. Probably all luck.
One guy was banned from an on-line casino for using it on airball. Wish he'd come forward and testify!! Nope, can't name him. If he wants to be named, he'll do it.
Sam
Alright, good you're winning Sam! :) Must be something with your tracker then, can't be just random luck to win 1550
True, seems to work better on RNG. Unexpected result.
Hey girls!
Progression will kill you beware!
Just saying ;)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 07, 11:39 PM 2013
ignatus
I will soon post a video. If you watch it carefully you will see some interesting things. I'm sure the naysayers will beat it to death, but it has gone from 300 E to over 1850. Probably all luck.
One guy was banned from an on-line casino for using it on airball. Wish he'd come forward and testify!! Nope, can't name him. If he wants to be named, he'll do it.
Sam
@ignatus
I'm the guy who was banned playing this way.
I turn 200 units to 10000 units real monney using Sam's way. >:D
Like Sam said, probably just luck. :twisted:
So if i can give you a tips: Lesson uncle Sam. He know what he is doing!
br, normy
Another live-session;
LLLLWLLLWLLWLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLWWLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLWLWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLWL
WLLLLLLLWWLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLW
I think hits are regular. With stopploss and progression & trigger this can work
I take back my statement about RNG; losing strings are much longer playing RNG (do not play on RNG-roulette using this tracker!)
LLLLLWLLLLLLWLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLWLLWLW RNG at unibet +19 units
This would be 40 spins.
7 wins and 34 losses
agesta
Ok
try this one. same concept as yours.
on a particular dealer, record thr last 3 numbers that are result of wheel clockwise rotation.
get their average distance in terms of pocket and bet the 5 number pockets to left and right on the last result clockwise.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 07, 08:10 PM 2013
Key
I will not pay royalties on the sin of hubris. I do believe in it--something like a karmic reaction. I do my best to remember what the punishment for the sin of hubris is. I'm not to self flagelation, but close!
Sam
Yeah Sam I figured as much... these last few years have been tough for me on receivables :) :) ;)
Suppose when you get to the point of self flagellation...cat o' nine tails will be the weapon of choice? >:D
Hey...one quickie question...how come a guy named Two Cat Sam is always breaking away from roulette to go walk his dogs? Just wonderin' out loud
Quote from: Normy2000 on Feb 08, 07:39 AM 2013
@ignatus
I'm the guy who was banned playing this way.
I turn 200 units to 10000 units real monney using Sam's way. >:D
Like Sam said, probably just luck. :twisted:
So if i can give you a tips: Lesson uncle Sam. He know what he is doing!
br, normy
Yep and airball might be the best place for something like this...great job...hope you were playing with quarter units...
even with nickels...nice
It was 0.1$, but still a good investment. 8)
and that constituted a ban?
that's a strong endorsement for the method
the formula is more important than the amount....because they know it's only a matter of time before the big units are being played and then it's real money...even for them
very nice
KEY
I once had two cats; now have 1/2 a cat. "HalfCatSam?" By that, I mean I feed this crazy cat named ODOT who lives out side and won't let me touch him/her.
I came by a dog by accident and my wife had one when we married. They had to go to doggie heaven, so we got two more: Bailey and Piper. We walk them two miles a day. Good for us and them!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 08, 11:15 AM 2013
KEY
I once had two cats; now have 1/2 a cat. "HalfCatSam?" By that, I mean I feed this crazy cat named ODOT who lives out side and won't let me touch him/her.
I came by a dog by accident and my wife had one when we married. They had to go to doggie heaven, so we got two more: Bailey and Piper. We walk them two miles a day. Good for us and them!
Sam
Hey I have a fix for you...maybe the dogs learn to play tug of war with the unsociable feline. Then you are back to 2 cat if they pull hard enough :)
oops...full disclosure moment...I am a dog person cats...well...not so much
I am a problem solver by nature...can you tell?
Solomon!
Hi Ignatus,
I like you , so here is a tracker I made. You owe me 10 gallons of coffee ;)
I hope its error free.
Just paste in your numbers in the green line.
After looking at that sheet......a lot of "L" :-[
Maybe that helps you and others.
Ray
....new sheet with loosing streak counter
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 09, 12:42 PM 2013
Hi Ignatus,
I like you , so here is a tracker I made. You owe me 10 gallons of coffee ;)
I hope its error free.
Just paste in your numbers in the green line.
After looking at that sheet......a lot of "L" :-[
Maybe that helps you and others.
Ray
Nice Tracker Ray,
A way to stop soo many L's is to leave the numbers running on a Loss and add the new ones to them until a Win.
Thank's DuffMiver :smile:
just couldn't sleep , so I gave it another excel update.
This method looks better when stop betting at a certain point (you can change that yourself , Field J15 )
and start after a virtual win..... This is just flat betting.
Have a look !!!
Ray
Ray
Glad I'm not the only one who can't sleep when an idea is banging around inside the ol' noggin. But, hey, don't you feel sorry for people who have nothing in their life that excites them so they can't sleep?
Sam
@Ignatus
New idee after virtual win just once betting and flat betting
Look results on the file from Ray
Ludo8400
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 09, 07:40 PM 2013
just couldn't sleep , so I gave it another excel update.
This method looks better when stop betting at a certain point (you can change that yourself , Field J15 )
and start after a virtual win..... This is just flat betting.
Have a look !!!
Ray
Much appreciated Ray.
Is there a way to make the tracker wheel distances more Dynamic? e.g. after X amount of spins from a new dealer it establishes her average spin distance.
If we can get more variables like this worked in the hit rate will go up
*** Is there a way to make the tracker wheel distances more Dynamic? e.g. after X amount of spins from a new dealer it establishes her average spin distance**
That is the way in my opinion and experience with this tipe of play (movements, dealer signature)
There is no avarage wheel distance and no pattern for the long run, the *pattern * it s the dealer
and the avarage distance (if any ) it s established by the same dealer.
So should start new game with each new dealer, find if in x spins he/she hit at least 3 or 4 times the same pockets
or around..... play flat bet that pockets , i play 6 numbers or sometimes maximum 9 numbers ..........anyone is free to choose even more...
and also v. important ...... there are two different games........ CW and CCW, must be tracked and played for separately.
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Feb 10, 11:30 AM 2013
So should start new game with each new dealer, find if in x spins he/she hit at least 3 or 4 times the same pockets
distance or around..... play flat bet that pockets distance, i play 6 numbers or sometimes maximum 9 numbers ..........anyone is free to choose even more...
and also v. important ...... there are two different games........ CW and CCW, must be tracked and played for separately.[/
This is the exact way to play this...
QuoteGlad I'm not the only one who can't sleep when an idea is banging around inside the ol' noggin. But, hey, don't you feel sorry for people who have nothing in their life that excites them so they can't sleep?
Sam, you are so lucky to be retired (you made it !! ) and I have to work and this roulette just steals my sleeping hours :xd:
But I think as long it's fun and you keep on trying , just keeps our braincells active, which in this case keep us mentally young :thumbsup:
I'm getting your Idea today with Norman and will get on your nerves sooner or later ;)
Ray
Quote from: Kattila on Feb 10, 11:30 AM 2013
*** Is there a way to make the tracker wheel distances more Dynamic? e.g. after X amount of spins from a new dealer it establishes her average spin distance**
That is the way in my opinion and experience with this tipe of play (movements, dealer signature)
There is no avarage wheel distance and no pattern for the long run, the *pattern * it s the dealer
and the avarage distance (if any ) it s established by the same dealer.
So should start new game with each new dealer, find if in x spins he/she hit at least 3 or 4 times the same pockets
or around..... play flat bet that pockets , i play 6 numbers or sometimes maximum 9 numbers ..........anyone is free to choose even more...
and also v. important ...... there are two different games........ CW and CCW, must be tracked and played for separately.
cheers
I would go as far as to say this is the only way to play this strategy.
I always start a new session on a new dealer and that session ends when the dealer leaves. This creates short term winning potential as opposed to long term loosing which roulette is designed for
Quote from: Normy2000 on Feb 10, 11:41 AM 2013
This is the exact way to play this...
Hi5 Norrmy! agreed!
QuoteLook results on the file from Ray
@ ludo8400
I appreciate when you like my excel sheet. But when you feel to change it for your needs it's OK with me.
But do me a favour, when posting the sheet, just rename it so its clear that it is not mine.
Thanks
Ray
@ Ignatus
I tested 50.000 spins and I lost only 500 Units.
Game after WIN play just for ONE other WIN and stop.
It means 0,1% loss for this spins instead of 2,70%
Who can make the right progression for this spins?
Tomorrow I'm leaving cold Belgium for sunny Canary Island Tenerife
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Quote from: ludo8400 on Feb 10, 01:45 PM 2013
@ Ignatus
I tested 50.000 spins and I lost only 500 Units.
Game after WIN play just for ONE other WIN and stop.
It means 0,1% loss for this spins instead of 2,70%
Who can make the right progression for this spins?
Tomorrow I'm leaving cold Belgium for sunny Canary Island Tenerife
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Thanks for testing. Well, im not sure if this is a better way of betting than any other 6 number-strategy? Anyway, you can play this in different ways. One idea is stoploss after 4 losses, wait for virtual win (flatbet the first four spins) since many wins come in clusters...
I'm working on my own "supertracker" distance is calculated right: 0-18. Also CW CCW... almost!
I've been working on solving this problem (for almost 24h now :S)..... CW & CCW is correct when spins are within 0-36. BUT when it overlaps the zero CW and CCW is wrong (from end to beginning).... someone know how to solve this? (I'm a beginner programmer!) Made in Pascal. Here is the code and the tracker....
Tracker not finished! DISTANCE is correct, not CW, CCW...
program Wheelmov;
var x,y,sum,sum1,sum2,sum3,dist,oldbet,bet:integer;
begin
repeat;
writeln('Enter last spin: ');
readln(bet);
writeln('Enter second last spin:');
readln(oldbet);
if bet=0 then x:=0;
if oldbet=0 then y:=0;
if bet=32 then x:=1;
if oldbet=32 then y:=1;
if bet=15 then x:=2;
if oldbet=15 then y:=2;
if bet=19 then x:=3;
if oldbet=19 then y:=3;
if bet=4 then x:=4;
if oldbet=4 then y:=4;
if bet=21 then x:=5;
if oldbet=21 then y:=5;
if bet=2 then x:=6;
if oldbet=2 then y:=6;
if bet=25 then x:=7;
if oldbet=25 then y:=7;
if bet=17 then x:=8;
if oldbet=17 then y:=8;
if bet=34 then x:=9;
if oldbet=34 then y:=9;
if bet=6 then x:=10;
if oldbet=6 then y:=10;
if bet=27 then x:=11;
if oldbet=27 then y:=11;
if bet=13 then x:=12;
if oldbet=13 then y:=12;
if bet=36 then x:=13;
if oldbet=36 then y:=13;
if bet=11 then x:=14;
if oldbet=11 then y:=14;
if bet=30 then x:=15;
if oldbet=30 then y:=15;
if bet=8 then x:=16;
if oldbet=8 then y:=16;
if bet=23 then x:=17;
if oldbet=23 then y:=17;
if bet=10 then x:=18;
if oldbet=10 then y:=18;
if bet=5 then x:=19;
if oldbet=5 then y:=19;
if bet=24 then x:=20;
if oldbet=24 then y:=20;
if bet=16 then x:=21;
if oldbet=16 then y:=21;
if bet=33 then x:=22;
if oldbet=33 then y:=22;
if bet=1 then x:=23;
if oldbet=1 then y:=23;
if bet=20 then x:=24;
if oldbet=20 then y:=24;
if bet=14 then x:=25;
if oldbet=14 then y:=25;
if bet=31 then x:=26;
if oldbet=31 then y:=26;
if bet=9 then x:=27;
if oldbet=9 then y:=27;
if bet=22 then x:=28;
if oldbet=22 then y:=28;
if bet=18 then x:=29;
if oldbet=18 then y:=29;
if bet=29 then x:=30;
if oldbet=29 then y:=30;
if bet=7 then x:=31;
if oldbet=7 then y:=31;
if bet=28 then x:=32;
if oldbet=28 then y:=32;
if bet=12 then x:=33;
if oldbet=12 then y:=33;
if bet=35 then x:=34;
if oldbet=35 then y:=34;
if bet=3 then x:=35;
if oldbet=3 then y:=35;
if bet=26 then x:=36;
if oldbet=26 then y:=36;
if x > y then dist:=x-y;
if y > x then dist:=y-x;
if x > y then sum1:=0;
if x < y then sum1:=1;
if dist > 18 then sum2:=0;
if dist < 18 then sum2:=1;
sum:=sum1*sum2;
if dist > 18 then dist:=37-dist;
if x = y then dist:=0;
writeln();
if sum = 1 then writeln('*** CW ',dist);
if sum = 0 then writeln('** CCW ',dist);
writeln();
until bet=99;
end.
I solved the problem! NOW it's working properly!! :D
DISTANCE is always the shortest distance between two numbers 0-18.
Clockwise (CW) and counterclockwise (CCW) directions is shown.
Any problems let me know. Should work 100% correct. (final fix'd)
Can't wait to download your supertracker. Any idea on when it will be released?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 10, 05:41 PM 2013
Can't wait to download your supertracker. Any idea on when it will be released?
Sam
It's already finished Sam! just download and GO! ;D
Try it out. (It's made for European Wheels)
Here it is again (attachment)
Here is my fist test using this (live spins):
CW 7
CW 6
CCW 1
CW 16
CCW 10
CW 12
CW 11
CW 3
CCW 6
CW 10
CCW 1
CW 13
CW 9
CW 4
CW 6
Can you see the pattern? I think I can.
What's great with this, you can place a single bet in a specific area to catch any trend/pattern!
Cheers 8)
I think the pattern is... you jumping the gun on exclaiming success before ANY testing has been done.
You need alot of spins to make any intelligent assumptions.
You put alot of time into roulette...take the time you need to do it right...going off on tangents with little or no real point of reference gets you into a lot of trouble and ridicule...and ends in every method spiraling out of control with little arguments of experienced players telling you that todays method won't work or making suggestions to make it playable and then your predicatble retort of telling us we don't know what we are talking about because you tested 20 spins and you know better based on those 20 spins. Take your time and test it out...15 spins does not a method make.
If answers are there to be gotten...with enough testing and energy put in the right direction you will find a method...please put in the time necessary
KEY
Well said.
I am still a bit offput by that tearing-the-cat-in-half bit.
Sam
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 10, 08:43 PM 2013
You need a lot of spins to make any intelligent assumptions.
Could not say better :thumbsup:
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 10, 08:43 PM 2013
I think the pattern is... you jumping the gun on exclaiming success before ANY testing has been done.
You need a lot of spins to make any intelligent assumptions.
You put a lot of time into roulette...take the time you need to do it right...going off on tangents with little or no real point of reference gets you into a lot of trouble and ridicule...and ends in every method spiraling out of control with little arguments of experienced players telling you that todays method won't work or making suggestions to make it playable and then your predicatble retort of telling us we don't know what we are talking about because you tested 20 spins and you know better based on those 20 spins. Take your time and test it out...15 spins does not a method make.
If answers are there to be gotten...with enough testing and energy put in the right direction you will find a method...please put in the time necessary
Again, you deny the facts. Sure I could do more spins, but patterns are easy to see, movements repeat (obviously). Why being so negative? This is a great tool study wheel movements AND it makes it possible to decrease the bets even more. You should be happy. You can place a 3 numbers bet etc follow specific repetitions/pattern
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 10, 06:12 PM 2013
Here is my fist test using this (live spins):
CW 7
CW 6
CCW 1
CW 16
CCW 10
CW 12
CW 11
CW 3
CCW 6
CW 10
CCW 1
CW 13
CW 9
CW 4
CW 6
Can you see the pattern? I think I can
Sorry, but I don't see any pattern.
Really? Well, who is "unintelligent" here? Not me. Saw these patterns first from TwoCatSam's videos. Movements/distances repeats. If you cannot see this you are either blind or just? unintelligent, yes.
This was a livesession from DublinBet played just now:
CCW 17
CCW 12
CW 6
CW 7
CCW 13
CW 14
CCW 13
CW 10
CCW 18
CW 7
CCW 17
CW 6
CCW 11
CCW 1
CCW 18
CW 13
CCW 6
CW 6
CCW 6
CCW 9
CW 6
CCW 16
CCW 5
CCW 18
CCW 7
CCW 10
CCW 14
CW 17
CCW 9
CCW 16
0
CW 8
CW 3
CW 5
CCW 6
CCW 6
CW 5
CCW 11
CCW 5
CW 9
CCW 14
CCW 9
CCW 18
CCW 16
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 03:44 AM 2013
Really? Well, who is "unintelligent" here? Not me. Saw these patterns first from TwoCatSam's videos. Movements/distances repeats. If you cannot see this you are either blind or just? unintelligent, yes.
This was a livesession from DublinBet played just now:
CCW 17
CCW 12
CW 6
CW 7
CCW 13
CW 14
CCW 13
CW 10
CCW 18
CW 7
CCW 17
CW 6
CCW 11
CCW 1
CCW 18
CW 13
CCW 6
CW 6
CCW 6
CCW 9
CW 6
CCW 16
CCW 5
CCW 18
CCW 7
CCW 10
CCW 14
CW 17
CCW 9
CCW 16
0
CW 8
CW 3
CW 5
CCW 6
CCW 6
CW 5
CCW 11
CCW 5
CW 9
CCW 14
CCW 9
CCW 18
CCW 16
So how to choose a sector to bet with these random distances? Maybe you can explain?
stop calling people "unintelligent" just because he cannot see something that you claim you can !!!
Rolf asked a perfectly reasonable question, now we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week so pls answer the man while this topic still holds any interest to you.
O0
Let's say you place a neighbours bet for each distance/direction to repeat (5 numbers bet) for either CW or CCW:
ccw 5 neighbours. cw 5 neighbours.
CCW 17
CCW 12 W
CW 6 L
CW 7 L W
CCW 13 W L
CW 14 L L
CCW 13 W L
CW 10 L W
CCW 18 W L
CW 7 L W
CCW 17 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 11 L L
CCW 1 L L
CCW 18 L L
CW 13 L L
CCW 6 L L
CW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CCW 9 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 16 L L
CCW 5 L L
CCW 18 W L
CCW 7 L L
CCW 10 L L
CCW 14 W L
CW 17 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 16 L L
0 L L
CW 8 L L
CW 3 L L
CW 5 L W
CCW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CW 5 L W
CCW 11 W L
CCW 5 L L
CW 9 L W
CCW 14 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 18 L L
CCW 16 W L
14/44=32% 8/42=19%
5/37= 13.5% "Normal" winrate for 5 numbers
Quote from: ddarko on Feb 11, 04:01 AM 2013
stop calling people "unintelligent" just because he cannot see something that you claim you can !!!
Rolf asked a perfectly reasonable question, now we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week so please answer the man while this topic still holds any interest to you.
O0
OK sorry then. It was rouletteKEY who lived in denial of this method. (it was he who called me unintelligent) :/
"we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week" ? I'm still learning and trying ... Stop talking BS.
I don't need to do 1 million spins to see a pattern.
I think it open many new doors of study, this can be a new way of getting an advantage playing on livewheels (repeating directions and distances)
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 04:21 AM 2013
"we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week" ? I'm still learning and trying ... Stop talking BS.
Thank you for saying sorry :thumbsup:
Let's see if your still on this thread in a weeks time before you call it BS. Any good you may do will soon be cancelled out with this attitude of yours believe me.
& no I agree you don't need a million spins, but I think you do need more than you have.
& by the way it's not a "new way" of playing......
O0
ignatus you do not have to insult people they are tryiiiiiing to help you..here is software i used to fcuk about see if is any help..was in download section in vls forum made by person called mike... :thumbsup:
oppps i did it 2 times.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: maestro on Feb 11, 04:38 AM 2013
ignatus you do not have to insult people they are tryiiiiiing to help you..here is software i used to fcuk about see if is any help..was in download section in VLS forum made by person called mike... :thumbsup:
Thanks, that's great tool.
For me this is a new way of playing. And I don't understand the negative comments? It's not "helping" much
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 04:16 AM 2013
Let's say you place a neighbours bet for each distance/direction to repeat (5 numbers bet) for either CW or CCW:
ccw 5 neighbours. cw 5 neighbours.
CCW 17
CCW 12 W
CW 6 L
CW 7 L W
CCW 13 W L
CW 14 L L
CCW 13 W L
CW 10 L W
CCW 18 W L
CW 7 L W
CCW 17 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 11 L L
CCW 1 L L
CCW 18 L L
CW 13 L L
CCW 6 L L
CW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CCW 9 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 16 L L
CCW 5 L L
CCW 18 W L
CCW 7 L L
CCW 10 L L
CCW 14 W L
CW 17 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 16 L L
0 L L
CW 8 L L
CW 3 L L
CW 5 L W
CCW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CW 5 L W
CCW 11 W L
CCW 5 L L
CW 9 L W
CCW 14 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 18 L L
CCW 16 W L
14/44=32% 8/42=19%
5/37= 13.5% "Normal" winrate for 5 numbers
do you even know what CW and CCW mean?
you can't bet the 2 at the same time
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:10 AM 2013
do you even know what CW and CCW mean?
you can't bet the 2 at the same time
Yes? Clockwise and Counterclockwise directions. Why?
I
could bet on both, but that would be a 10 numbers bet (2 five number neighbours) I think it's better to decrease the bets and focus on one particular move/pattern.
This was just an example
By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.
>:D >:D >:D
Bye!
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 11, 05:23 AM 2013
By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.
>:D >:D >:D
Really? Why is that?
It's a great tool, and you can't see the patterns/repetitions either??
What's your problem Skakus?
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 11, 05:23 AM 2013
By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.
>:D >:D >:D
Bye!
thats why I stopped, I take a look here and there to get a laugh ;D
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:15 AM 2013
Yes? Clockwise and Counterclockwise directions. Why?
I could bet on both, but that would be a 10 numbers bet (2 five number neighbours) I think it's better to decrease the bets and focus on one particular move/pattern.
This was just an example
you can not bet on both
CW and CCW is the direction the wheel is spinning
1 spin 1 direction, there can't be both (or the wheel would not move)
do you get it now?
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:26 AM 2013
that's why I stopped, I take a look here and there to get a laugh ;D
I don't understand your attitude.
I have made a tool for study the wheel movements. This will give a clear advantage.
Can't believe you soggett. What's your arguments against it ??
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:30 AM 2013
I don't understand your attitude.
I have made a tool for study the wheel movements. This will give a clear advantage.
Can't believe you soggett. What's your arguments against it ??
I have no attitude, I am trying to help you, to teach you something
Run a couple of thousand of spins and then you will see if you have an advantage, not 20 spins
I have nothing against it, just you are doing it wrong
there are may great VB players here, I am sure they can tell you more than I can about CW, CCW and all that stuff, but they will all tell you that you can't bet both at the same time
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:28 AM 2013
you can not bet on both
CW and CCW is the direction the wheel is spinning
1 spin 1 direction, there can't be both (or the wheel would not move)
do you get it now?
Why? Who is wrong here now??
Let's say CW 7 comes first. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat so you bet 5 or 3 neighbours
in that direction for each spin. OK Next CCW 16 comes. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat
So, you both bet on (3 neighbours)
CW 7 - CW 6,7,8
CCW 16 - CCW 15,16,17
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:36 AM 2013
Why? Who is wrong here now??
Let's say CW 7 comes first. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat so you bet 5 or 3 neighbours in that direction for each spin.
OK Next CCW 16 comes. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat
So, you both bet on (3 neighbours)
CW 7 - CW 6,7,8
CCW 16 - CCW 15,16,17
so after 16 you will bet 6,7,8 and 15,16,17 ?
you need to understand that this is how you bet CW and CCW
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
on spin cw, next spin ccw
if cw was 6 and ccw was 16 and you want to bet that it will repeat
then you will have to bet 1 spin 6, the next spin 16
so when the wheel is turining CW you bet 6, next spin when it is turining CCW you bet 16
but you dont bet 6 and 16 on the same spin - it makes no sense
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:41 AM 2013
so after 16 you will bet 6,7,8 and 15,16,17 ?
you need to understand that this is how you bet CW and CCW
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
on spin cw, next spin ccw
if cw was 6 and ccw was 16 and you want to bet that it will repeat
then you will have to bet 1 spin 6, the next spin 16
so when the wheel is turining CW you bet 6, next spin when it is turining CCW you bet 16
but you don't bet 6 and 16 on the same spin - it makes no sense
Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You
can bet in
both directions at the same time for each spinI don't see your point
It sure makes ALOT of sense, since repetitions of direction/distance is very common.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:47 AM 2013
Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You can bet in both directions at the same time for each spin
I don't see your point
ok, can someone with better english explain this to him, I think the language barrier is the problem here, I guess I can't really explain properly
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:47 AM 2013
Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You can bet in both directions at the same time for each spin
I don't see your point
It sure makes a lot of sense, since repetitions of direction/distance is very common.
Any and every bet makes a sense if it comes as a winner on your playing night session/s/here am not
talking about on line and all this nonsense rng betting/--and when you are under control of things,from
patience to other dozen things included/should look in the dictionary to mention it all/---the main and most
important thing is trying not to lose,then almost always you will walk out as a winner.
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:56 AM 2013
ok, can someone with better English explain this to him, I think the language barrier is the problem here, I guess I can't really explain properly
Why do you believe it's not possible to bet both directions at the same time?
This is betting for each direction/distance to repeat placing 3 neighbour on each CW and CCW as they come. (6 numbers bet)
CCW 17
CCW 12 L
CW 6 L
CW 7 W
CCW 13 W
CW 14 L
CCW 13 W
CW 10 L
CCW 18 L
CW 7 W
CCW 17 W
CW 6 W
CCW 11 L
CCW 1 L
CCW 18 L
CW 13 L
CCW 6 L
CW 6 L
CCW 6 W
CCW 9 W
CW 6 W
CCW 16 L
CCW 5 L
CCW 18 L
CCW 7 L
CCW 10 W
CCW 14 L
CW 17 L
CCW 9 L
CCW 16 L
0 L
CW 8 L
CW 3 L
CW 5 W
CCW 6 L
CCW 6 W
CW 5 W
CCW 11 L
CCW 5 L
CW 9 L
CCW 14 L
CCW 9 L
CCW 18 L
CCW 16 W
winrate: 14/43= 33%6/37= 16% "normal" winrate for 6 numbers.
But this isnt normal. its been lucky. A line of 6 doesnt allways pay 16% does it? it too will get lucky and pay 33%.
Its also impossible to test over 1000's of numbers because you dont know which is cw and which is ccw on speilbank..
Until you have 33% consistantly over a few thousand spins, you cant read anything into a lucky streak.
Betting this way cant magically make 16% into 33%....only a lucky streak can.
I dont know why you post here. You dismiss what people ask and suggest. People who know much more than you.
Quote from: Turner on Feb 11, 07:27 AM 2013
But this isnt normal. its been lucky. A line of 6 doesn't allways pay 16% does it? it too will get lucky and pay 33%.
Its also impossible to test over 1000's of numbers because you don't know which is cw and which is ccw on speilbank..
Until you have 33% consistantly over a few thousand spins, you can't read anything into a lucky streak.
Betting this way can't magically make 16% into 33%....only a lucky streak can.
I don't know why you post here. You dismiss what people ask and suggest. People who know much more than you.
I don't dismiss what people say?;
"You need a lot of spins to make any intelligent assumptions." No, I don't. Patterns/repetitions are obvious even from a short session
"Sorry, but I don't see any pattern." Look again?
"we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week"
"By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot"
"that's why I stopped, I take a look here and there to get a laugh"
"...CW, CCW and all that stuff, but they will all tell you that you can't bet both at the same time"
"Betting this way can't magically make 16% into 33%....only a lucky streak can. I don't know why you post here."
I don't need to argue. The tracker is finished. You need to test it yourself, see the patterns/repetitions
Gentlemen
I can bet FOR red black to come on one spin. I know I can't win both, but I can bet FOR both events to occur. Same as betting number 1 and 36.
When playing the G.U.T. and a crossing appears, I bet it. It loses and a second crossing appears. I bet them both knowing full well they both can't win.
Same thing.
I can't wait to have a look at his tracker. After my next video, he may improve it!! I know this much: After a few months of using the SuperTracker, I could pay Normy to make some real improvements. And I may. Or I may just use my current methods. Things evolve; ignatus is evolving.
TwoCat
yes TCS, he can bet both
but then he is betting 12 numbers and then a 33% hit rate is nothing special
and that is what he gets
he will get it, eventually, as he (like you said) evolves
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 07:44 AM 2013
"You need a lot of spins to make any intelligent assumptions." No, I don't. Patterns/repetitions are obvious even from a short session
yes you do
a thousand spins means nothing, and you haven't even done that
do you read the forum? how many people said they have systems that pass 100 000 spins and still lose, even a million spins
with every system you say you don't need to do more spins and then what happens, your system fails
do you get the pattern here?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 11, 08:50 AM 2013
Gentlemen
I can bet FOR red black to come on one spin. I know I can't win both, but I can bet FOR both events to occur. Same as betting number 1 and 36.
When playing the G.U.T. and a crossing appears, I bet it. It loses and a second crossing appears. I bet them both knowing full well they both can't win.
Same thing.
I can't wait to have a look at his tracker. After my next video, he may improve it!! I know this much: After a few months of using the SuperTracker, I could pay Normy to make some real improvements. And I may. Or I may just use my current methods. Things evolve; ignatus is evolving.
TwoCat
Great Sam, good someone can understand/use this tracker. You don't have to wait Sam? It's already finished? (I said that once already?) :P
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 09:28 AM 2013
your system fails
do you get the pattern here?
Stop talkin sh*t soggett? Try using the tracker you'll see.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 10, 09:31 PM 2013
I am still a bit offput by that tearing-the-cat-in-half bit.
Sam
Sam...it's non-cat person humor...wasn't meant to be offensive. Just a non-cat guy trying to solve what I saw as an obvious issue.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 02:57 AM 2013
Again, you deny the facts. Sure I could do more spins, but patterns are easy to see, movements repeat (obviously). Why being so negative? This is a great tool study wheel movements AND it makes it possible to decrease the bets even more. You should be happy. You can place a 3 numbers bet etc follow specific repetitions/pattern
Ummmmm.... I'm in denial?
You should do more spins...pretty sure we can get a concensus from real honest to God players here on this topic...you should test more and make better tests
Negative? I have tried to help you time and time and time and time and time and time again...like many others on this forum, and other forums. Actual players who have actually set foot in a casino more than 3 times in our lives...just sayin'
I am happy that the bet is being decreased to a smaller amount of numbers. But without proper testing how do you determine what those few numbers will be?
If your intention is to revolutionize the world of roulette and develop a working method...you need to direct your energies towards a method and be relentless in your pursuit of that particular objective until you have either succeeded or until you can cross it off as being definitevely not worth pursuing.
Patterns...using your theory of basing a method on 15 spins worth of pattern recognition. Lets say I have 15 reds and they are all in the second and third dozen. Does that mean based on that exhaustive amount of research I should always bet the red numbers in the 2nd and 3rd dozens? That may work for you...not so much for me.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 04:21 AM 2013
OK sorry then. It was rouletteKEY who lived in denial of this method. (it was he who called me unintelligent) :/
"we all know you will be on to your next Holy Grail thread next week" ? I'm still learning and trying ... Stop talking BS.
I don't need to do 1 million spins to see a pattern.
I think it open many new doors of study, this can be a new way of getting an advantage playing on livewheels (repeating directions and distances)
Find the quote where I called you unintelligent
We all know it will be far before next week when you will be onto your next Holy Grail
No...you don't need a million spins to see a pattern but you sure do need more than 15-20 spins to see a pattern you can do anything with
I think it is a worthy path to pursue...I encouraged you by even suggesting other things like CW vs CCW as data that you needed to pay attention to
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 11, 10:33 AM 2013
Find the quote where I called you unintelligent
We all know it will be far before next week when you will be onto your next Holy Grail
No...you don't need a million spins to see a pattern but you sure do need more than 15-20 spins to see a pattern you can do anything with
I think it is a worthy path to pursue...I encouraged you by even suggesting other things like CW vs CCW as data that you needed to pay attention to
Yes, i've been working on this "wheel movement"-strategies afew weeks now.
This is just a tool for study the wheel movements.
It's not a strategy. You can play/bet as you wish.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 11, 10:33 AM 2013
Find the quote where I called you unintelligent
and the answer is?
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 11, 10:59 AM 2013
and the answer is?
Let's drop all bad arguments? You know I always value your ideas and opinions rouletteKEY. I don't like is everybody claim this won't work etc when they haven't even used the tracker and seen the patterns/repetitions....if you can't find it in 20 spins you won't find it in 1 million spins. So, I found a pattern in 20 spins. That
should be a good sign. But not everybody agree.
Time will tell.
I'm always? careful when trying something new, (trying to be atleast!) ;D and yes, i've made the mistake many times when I had a short term result. True...
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 11, 10:17 AM 2013
Sam...it's non-cat person humor...wasn't meant to be offensive. Just a non-cat guy trying to solve what I saw as an obvious issue.
KEY
Then you wouldn't literally tear a cat in half. Thank God.
They do have a cloth weasel or something that they tug all over the house. The smart dog gets on the carpet and the other gets on the hardwood floor. Who do you think wins??
Sam
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 11:09 AM 2013
if you can't find it in 20 spins you won't find it in 1 million spins.
ignatus
Imagine the tiniest drop of water. Imagine the largest ocean. That is what 20 spins are to what a roulette wheel produces.
Statements like this do not further your credibility on these forums. Sorry to be blunt, but I think a few will back me up on this.
Your friend....
Sam
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 09:42 AM 2013
Stop talkin sh*t soggett? Try using the tracker you'll see.
and there is the reason you get less and less responce
we all try to help you and as soon as you don't like what we have to say you start being rude
I am done with you, if you won't listen then I can't help you
roulettekey has tried to help you from the start and you still won't listen to what he has to say
sad
anyway, enjoy your current holy grail, I'll be looking forward to your next one
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 09:42 AM 2013
Stop talkin sh*t soggett? Try using the tracker you'll see.
ignatus stay off the skunk weed :yawn:
More spins (Live from DB):
CW 13
CW 13
Cw 17
CCW 14
CW 1
CW 4
CW 14
CCW 10
CW 10
CCW 8
CW 7
CW 4
CW 16
CW 2
CW 8
CW 15
CW 3
CW 5
CCW 7
CCW 1
CW 9
0
CW 18
CW 6
CW 15
CCW 15
CCW 11
CCW 3
CW 1
CCW 16
CW 15
CCW 8
CW 11
CCW 2
CCW 9
CCW 16
CCW 7
CW 18
CCW 12
CCW 16
CW 9
CW 3
CCW 12
CCW 11
CW 13
CCW 9
CCW 12
CCW 10
CW 3
CCW 18
CCW 18
CW 1
CCW 10
CW 10
CW 16
CW 4
0
CCW 1
CW 11
CW 17
CCW 15
CCW 18
CW 16
CCW 1
CW 5
CW 14
CW 14
Quote from: warrior on Feb 11, 12:10 PM 2013
ignatus stay off the skunk weed :yawn:
Never! 8)
Cypress Hill - I Wanna Get High (HQ) (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=hsojt7iEcTQ#)
Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 12:04 PM 2013
and there is the reason you get less and less responce
we all try to help you and as soon as you don't like what we have to say you start being rude
I am done with you, if you won't listen then I can't help you
roulettekey has tried to help you from the start and you still won't listen to what he has to say
sad
anyway, enjoy your current holy grail, I'll be looking forward to your next one
Well sorry then? But you only speculate..... That's not "helping"... I don't know the best way to play this yet
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 11, 11:21 AM 2013
KEY
Then you wouldn't literally tear a cat in half. Thank God.
They do have a cloth weasel or something that they tug all over the house. The smart dog gets on the carpet and the other gets on the hardwood floor. Who do you think wins??
Sam
Hey are you calling one of your dogs "unintelligent"? hmmmmm...coming from a cat person...how insensitive :xd:
I haven't decided yet but. . . .
Is Ignatus really a naive, enthusistic newcomer to roulette or is he a clever.devious wind-up merchant who is having a laugh at our expence by leading us all a merry dance?
Either way I enjoy reading his postings . .
Quote from: rolf-harris on Feb 11, 02:35 PM 2013
I haven't decided yet but. . . .
Is Ignatus really a naive, enthusistic newcomer to roulette or is he a clever.devious wind-up merchant who is having a laugh at our expence by leading us all a merry dance?
Either way I enjoy reading his postings . .
Thanks, but im not here to "entertain" you! ;D
Not many good resposes to the tracker I made. Well, how to use it is another question? One thing that makes it possible now to place a single bet in a certain direction/distance....
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 12:50 PM 2013
Never! 8)
Cypress Hill - I Wanna Get High (HQ) (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=hsojt7iEcTQ#)
:twisted:
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 12:48 PM 2013
More spins (Live from DB):
CW 13
CW 13
Cw 17
CCW 14
CW 1
CW 4
CW 14
CCW 10
CW 10
CCW 8
CW 7
CW 4
CW 16
CW 2
CW 8
CW 15
CW 3
CW 5
CCW 7
CCW 1
CW 9
0
CW 18
CW 6
CW 15
CCW 15
CCW 11
CCW 3
CW 1
CCW 16
CW 15
CCW 8
CW 11
CCW 2
CCW 9
CCW 16
CCW 7
CW 18
CCW 12
CCW 16
CW 9
CW 3
CCW 12
CCW 11
CW 13
CCW 9
CCW 12
CCW 10
CW 3
CCW 18
CCW 18
CW 1
CCW 10
CW 10
CW 16
CW 4
0
CCW 1
CW 11
CW 17
CCW 15
CCW 18
CW 16
CCW 1
CW 5
CW 14
CW 14
How do you track this :question:
When i track a Dealer, i usualy get CW, then a CCW, then a CW, then a CCW...
... it should look like this:
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
Quote from: Normy2000 on Feb 11, 03:52 PM 2013
How do you track this :question:
When i track a Dealer, i usualy get CW, then a CCW, then a CW, then a CCW...
... it should look like this:
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
CW
CCW
I used the tracker I've made? Have you missed it? ;D I'll post it again!
Anyway, im reading about a very interesting roulette system (about CW CCW)
"..there are ways that the clockwise and counter-clockwise directions can be used as clues as to which of the trends it is following. If either clockwise or counter-clockwise direction is dominant, you should play mostly the dominant direction (say about 40% to 60%). The other way is (and will be most of the time) that neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise direction is dominant. So you will play around 50% for each direction. To learn to discern the trends, you must practice. The more you practice the better you become in spotting the trend in the series you are playing. The earlier you recognize which trend the wheel is in, the earlier you will know when it leaves that trend."
cheers 8)
@Normy
I think he is just going using the cw and ccw to indicate the direction from the last pocket that the next spin ends in. ...could be wrong (no numbers over 18 in his results and the erratic mix of cw & ccw are my basis)
My thoughts were that the cw or ccw should have been inidicative of which way the ball (or wheel, take your pick) was moving at the time of the spin....but that is not the way it seems to be tracking...which is another problem with the tracking method (the way I see it anyways)...but it's his experiment
He'll clear it up soon I would imagine
If we suggest a remedy we'll be scolded for the entire roulette world to see :o :o :o
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 02:49 PM 2013
Thanks, but I'm not here to "entertain" you! ;D
Yeah Rolf...reel yer neck in, or Ill tell everyone you once sung a song about 2 little boys. :thumbsup:
This system is about betting 4 single number same color as last hit (R/B only) Also take in to account the CW and CCW. (That's the way i understood it anyway)
Here it is: link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208215737/link:://:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterOne.html (link:://web.archive.org/web/20021208215737/link:://:.sq-ro-let.com/ChapterOne.html)
It's possible to combine this with the wheel movement, perhaps ... Little complicated to learn how to apply the CW & CCW (and the bet selection)
But I like the idea.
I've added a little function that can be useful: display Red/Black/Zero. This is obvious when playing, but good if you only got the spins etc...
From the start I 've understood the bets to be played CW or CCW from the last ball position refering to the direction moved at the previous spin to that. If that makes any sense,
And nothing to do with wheel direction.
Quote from: Turner on Feb 11, 04:45 PM 2013
Yeah Rolf...reel yer neck in, or Ill tell everyone you once sung a song about 2 little boys. :thumbsup:
Turner, you've got to promise me you won't tell anyone what I did with tha kangaroo I had tied down.
I think this board's got the wobbles. :D
*breaks bottle over Skakus' head*
all in brawl everyone!
(link:://blogs.westword.com/latestword/broken%20beer%20bottle%20cropped.jpg)
Or maybe let's all try to get along.
(link:://tidbitsanddollops.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/carebears20star1.jpg)
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/ouch_zps32269904.jpg)
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/badbear_zpse1d87e6a.jpg)
rolf
Tell me, mate, will your boomerang come back?
Sam
Lol. . Poor old Charlie's didn't. . . .
Do you think our American friends have the remotest idea what we're talking about?
Quote from: rolf-harris on Feb 11, 10:29 PM 2013
LoL. . Poor old Charlie's didn't. . . .
Do you think our American friends have the remotest idea what we're talking about?
Not sure how but 2Cats is in the know & he is from the US of A :o :o :o :o
O0
"Tie me kangaroo down, sport. Tie me kangaroo down.
Don't let him go runnin' around, mate.
Tie me kangaroo down"
"I'm the local witch doctor, boy. My name is Yoyolfed Black.
Now wha'd you say your trouble is, boy?"
"My boomerang won't come back"
"Your boomerang won't come back?"
Singing.......
"My boomerang won't come back. My boomerang won't come back. I've waved the thing all over the place;
Practiced 'till I was blue in the face.
I'm a big disgrace the Aborigine race..
My boomerang won't come back."
APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE,
too bad we can't hear you singing....but, wait, you can post a WAV if you want. :twisted:
No no, lets think a bit friendlier..
(link:://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/f10ac9cda1f60bc0373e62ac2a816318/l.jpg)
Maybe not so friendly-like
Testing this now with a 5 numbers bet, (R/B only). The way I play is bet single number in same color at the same distance and direction and 2 neighbour numbers on each side (same color);
For an example
26
25 CW 8 Red
27 CW 4 Red - This is a win, because the numbers bet would be: 34, 27, 36, 30, 23 all Red numbers. 27 in the middle at CW 8 distance and two red neighbours on each side whenever possible.
ALL 5 numbers within 1-18 range. So, if spin is CCW 17 B, bets would be; (all Black numbers) ccw17, ccw15, ccw13, ccw 11, ccw9
This could be played flatbet with stoploss, OR progression for 5 number:
5 numbers progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-6-7-8-9-11-13-15-17-20 = 138 units
A less agressive progression that would work very well playing this is +1 bet each 7th spin.
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3...
Longest losingstreak from this session 16 L. (progression is 24 steps) What this means; ALL PROFITS from this session.
Flatbetting would also work. (with stoploss)
Live session at DB:
CCW 5 R L
CCW 8 R W
CCW 9 R W
CW 5 R L
CCW 12 B L
CCW 8 B W
CCW 7 R L
CW 5 B L
0 L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 5 B L
CCW 4 B W
CCW 12 B L
CCW 16 B W
CCW 10 B W
CW 7 R L
CCW 11 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 6 R W
CCW 9 B L
CCW 14 B W
CW 7 0 L
CW 16 B -
CCW 3 R L
CW 7 B L
CCW 9 B L
CCW 12 R L
CCW 13 R W
CW 18 R L
CCW 4 R L
CCW 17 B L
CW 10 B L
CW 1 R L
CCW 2 R L
CCW 11 0 L
CCW 14 R -
CW 5 B L
CCW 13 B L
CCW 8 R L
CCW 16 R L
CCW 15 B L
CCW 2 0 L
CW 1 R -
CW 10 R L
CW 14 R W
CCW 6 R L
CCW 14 R W
CCW 18 W
CCW 5 B L
CCW 5 R L
CW 13 B L
CCW 15 R L
CW 8 R L
CCW 18 R L
CW 15 B L
CW 2 B L
CW 9 R L
CW 13 R W
CW 17 B L
CW 4 B L
CW 18 R L
CW 12 R W
CCW 14 R L
CCW 2 R L
CW 17 B L
CW 14 B W
CCW 7 R L
CCW 16 R L
CCW 7 R L
CCW 12 B L
CW 16 R L
CW 12 R W
CW 5 B L
CW 16 R L
CCW 11 R L
CCW 18 B L
CCW 18 R L
CW 12 B L
CCW 13 B L
CW 15 B L
CCW 16 R L
CCW 10 R W
CCW 8 R W
CCW 15 0 L
CCW 12 R -
CCW 12 B L
CCW 5 R L
CW 1 B L
CW 12 B L
CCW 15 B L
CW 10 B L
CW 11 B W
CW 7 R L
CW 10 R W
CW 4 R L
CW 4 R W
CW 14 R L
CW 11 R W
CW 2 R L
CW 5 B L
CCW 15 R L
CCW 13 R W
CW 11 R L
CW 13 R W
CW 14 R W
CCW 17 0 L
CCW 16 R L
CW 7 B L
CW 9 0 L
CCW 2 R -
CCW 17 B L
CW 16 B L
CCW 4 B L
cw 8 R L
CW 13 B L
CCW 1 B L
CW 19 B L
CW 15 R L
CW 14 R W
CCW 15 R L
CW 5 B L
CCW 16 B L
CW 13 R L
CW 13 R W
CCW 8 R L
CCW 11 R W
CCW 11 B L
CCW 6 B W
CCW 4 B W
CW 9 R L
CW 10 R W
Another short live session;
CW 1 B
CW 12 B L
CCW 18 R L
CW 8 R L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 18 R L
CCW 6 R W
CW 9 B L
CCW 11 R L
CCW 14 B L
CCW 9 R L
CW 7 B L
CCW 18 R L
CW 1 B L
CW 10 B W
CCW 13 R L
CW 10 B L
CW 12 B W
CW 7 R L
CCW 18 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 7 B L
CW 8 B W
CW 16 R L
CCW 12 B L
CCW 10 B W
CCW 17 B L
CCW 15 B W
CW 3 R L
CCW 15 B L
CCW 15 R L
CW 1 B L
CW 12 B L
CW 17 R L
CCW 5 B L
CW 8 B W
CW 15 B L
CCW 10 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 8 R W
Hmm... so if you play 5 numbers and this results are real you don't need any progression.
39 spins /bets = 39 * 5 = 195 units
8 wins = 8 * 36 = 288 units
Profit = 288 - 195 = 93 units
Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 13, 04:29 PM 2013
Hmm... so if you play 5 numbers and this results are real you don't need any progression.
39 spins /bets = 39 * 5 = 195 units
8 wins = 8 * 36 = 288 units
Profit = 288 - 195 = 93 units
Yes, that's right :) So far so good!
Third session;
CW 3 R L
CCW 13 B L
CCW 15 B W
CW 3 R L
CW 14 R L
CCW 18 R L
CW 17 B L
CCW 3 R L
CW 18 R L
CW 18 B L
CCW 10 B L
CW 5 R L
CCW 12 B L
CW 11 B L
CCW 8 0 L
CW 8 B -
0 L
CW 13 R L
CW 10 R W
CW 2 R L
CCW 2 R L
CCW 16 R L
CCW 3 B L
CCW 9 R L
CCW 11 R W
CW 3 B L
CW 16 R L
CW 8 R L
CW 16 R L
CW 12 R W
CW 17 R W
CCW 12 B L
CCW 18 R L
CCW 5 B L
CW 2 B L
CCW 7 B L
CCW 6 B W
CCW 1 R L
CCW 15 B L
CCW 9 R L
CW 1 B L
CCW 11 B L
CCW 15 R L
CW 1 B L
CW 5 R L
CCW 9 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 16 0 L
0 0 -
CCW 14 R -
CCW 6 R L
CCW 18 R L
CCW 3 B L
CCW 2 B W
CW 3 R L
CW 5 R W
0 R L
CW 8 R L
CW 8 R W
CCW 14 R L
CW 12 R L
CW 2 R L
CCW 18 B L
CCW 4 B L
CCW 6 B W
CCW 9 R L
CCW 2 R L
CW 13 B L
CCW 5 R L
CCW 9 B L
CCW 4 B W
CCW 11 R L
CCW 6 R W
CCW 14 R L
CCW 3 R L
CCW 13 B L
CCW 5 R L
CCW 5 B L
CW 10 B L
0 B L
CCW 9 R L
CW 3 B L
CW 8 B W
CW 11 R L
CW 12 B L
CW 8 B W
CW 1 R L
CCW 11 B L
CCW 9 B W
CW 16 R L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 14 B W
hmm... I don't know why it works :o but it works!
I have to test it hardly myself becouse you have next good result 89 bets *5 = 445 units spend on bets and you have 16 hits = 576 units. Profit = 131 units.
1) RNG or live dealer?
2) how u count moves to bet? my last 2 numbers 2(second last), 23(last) your tracker shows CW 11 - 11 moves clockwise from 23 on european wheel is black number 22 - so i should bet 5 closest red neighbours like 9,18,7,14,1? or...
i should do 11 red moves clockwise to number 19 and bet 19,32,3,21,25?
Quote from: Smoczoor on Feb 14, 03:45 AM 2013
1) RNG or live dealer?
2) how u count moves to bet? my last 2 numbers 2(second last), 23(last) your tracker shows CW 11 - 11 moves clockwise from 23 on european wheel is black number 22 - so i should bet 5 closest red neighbours like 9,18,7,14,1? or...
i should do 11 red moves clockwise to number 19 and bet 19,32,3,21,25?
It's live ofcourse. Well, the way I play
First all bets within 0-18 (from last number hit) so ccw7 R hit: then I calculate ccw3 ccw5 cccw 7 ccw9 ccw11 (ccw7 R in the middle with 2 Red neighbours)...closest Red at ccw7 distance with 2 red neighbours.
else if bet is cw2 B: bet would bet ccw 2 ccw4 ccw6 ccw8 ccw10 (all within 0-18 range)
It's little complicated, because you have to be quick fist calculate the distance/direction then look at a wheel where to place the bets etc...
I feel a little bit stupi d :sad2:
:'(
I have your wheelmov2 and IF I enter 7, then 0: CW6 Zero
What you do now?
Thanks
Can you explain how do you play this numbers:
Wiesbaden, 13/06/2011, French 4
7
0
6
33
8
32
19
11
22
30
34
2
34
12
36
25
1
18
14
36
20
35
22
35
1
8
33
7
26
14
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 14, 04:13 AM 2013
It's live ofcourse. Well, the way I play
First all bets within 0-18 (from last number hit) so ccw7 R hit: then I calculate ccw3 ccw5 cccw 7 ccw9 ccw11 (ccw7 R in the middle with 2 Red neighbours)...closest Red at ccw7 distance with 2 red neighbours.
else if bet is cw2 B: bet would bet ccw 2 ccw4 ccw6 ccw8 ccw10 (all within 0-18 range)
It's little complicated, because you have to be quick fist calculate the distance/direction then look at a wheel where to place the bets etc...
else if bet is cw2 B: bet would bet ccw 2 ccw4 ccw6 ccw8 ccw10 (all within 0-18 range)
So you place a bet on numbers: 3,12,7,18,9
Am I right?
Or you place a bet on numbers: 0,3,12,7,18
:embarrassed:
Quote from: starkygold on Feb 14, 04:54 AM 2013
I feel a little bit stupi d :sad2:
:'(
I have your wheelmov2 and IF I enter 7, then 0: CW6 Zero
What you do now?
Thanks
Can you explain how do you play this numbers:
Wiesbaden, 13/06/2011, French 4
7
0
6
33
8
32
19
11
22
30
34
2
34
12
36
25
1
18
14
36
20
35
22
35
1
8
33
7
26
14
"I have your wheelmov2 and IF I enter 7, then 0: CW6 Zero
What you do now?" No bet after Zero hit.
7
0 ccw 6 0
6 ccw 10 B (no bet)
33 cw 12 B L
8 ccw 6 B L
32 ccw 15 R L
19 cw 2 R L
11 cw 11 B L Bet: 33, 20, 31, 22, 29
22 cw 14 B W
30 ccw 13 R L
34 ccw 6 R L
2 ccw 3 B L
34 ccw 3 R L Bet: 21, 19, 32, 3, 12
12 ccw 13 R W
36 cw 17 R L
25 cw 6 R L
1 cw 16 R L
18 cw 6 R L
14 ccw 4 R L
36 ccw 12 R L
20 ccw 11 B L
35 cw 10 B L
22 ccw 6 B L
35 cw 6 B L
1 ccw 11 R L
8 ccw 7 B L
33 cw 6 B L
7 cw 9 R L
26 cw 5 B L
14 ccw 11 R L
Quote from: starkygold on Feb 14, 05:28 AM 2013
else if bet is cw2 B: bet would bet ccw 2 ccw4 ccw6 ccw8 ccw10 (all within 0-18 range)
So you place a bet on numbers: 3,12,7,18,9
Am I right?
Or you place a bet on numbers: 0,3,12,7,18
:embarrassed:
It depends on what the number hit was....
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 14, 06:48 AM 2013
"I have your wheelmov2 and IF I enter 7, then 0: CW6 Zero
What you do now?" No bet after Zero hit.
7
0 ccw 6 0
6 ccw 10 B (no bet)
33 cw 12 B L
8 ccw 6 B L
32 ccw 15 R L
19 cw 2 R L
11 cw 11 B L Bet: 33, 20, 31, 22, 29
22 cw 14 B W
30 ccw 13 R L
34 ccw 6 R L
2 ccw 3 B L
34 ccw 3 R L Bet: 21, 19, 32, 3, 12
12 ccw 13 R W
36 cw 17 R L
25 cw 6 R L
1 cw 16 R L
18 cw 6 R L
14 ccw 4 R L
36 ccw 12 R L
20 ccw 11 B L
35 cw 10 B L
22 ccw 6 B L
35 cw 6 B L
1 ccw 11 R L
8 ccw 7 B L
33 cw 6 B L
7 cw 9 R L
26 cw 5 B L
14 ccw 11 R L
Hi! Maybe is better just track 3 spins and go with it, trend will continue..Or not.. But usually it do.
Regards Timo
Quote from: Timo on Feb 14, 06:15 PM 2013
Hi! Maybe is better just track 3 spins and go with it, trend will continue..Or not.. But usually it do.
Regards Timo
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I take my word back, very good job Ignatus! But it just my opinion. I think what is cw or ccw same way.. :)
Regards Timo
Nice. :) Try the new tracker. Bets are now included. (see other thread)
I will make a tracker that bet 16 number in either cw or ccw since they tend to repeat very much. (1 & 18 excluded)
Making a tracker for Betting 14 numbers in cw or ccw direction (same as last) Range 1,2 & 17,18 can be excluded. Betting range 3-16. (all possible splits will be used, so it will be less units for some bets)
CCW 5 R
CCW 8 R W
CCW 9 R W
CW 5 R L
CCW 12 B L
CCW 8 B W
CCW 7 R W
CW 5 B L
0 L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 5 B W
CCW 4 B W
CCW 12 B W
CCW 16 B W
CCW 10 B W
CW 7 R L
CCW 11 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 6 R W
CCW 9 B L
CCW 14 B W
CW 7 0 L
CW 16 B -
CCW 3 R L
CW 7 B L
CCW 9 B L
CCW 12 R W
CCW 13 R W
CW 18 R L
CCW 4 R L
CCW 17 B L
CW 10 B L
CW 1 R L
CCW 2 R L
CCW 11 0 W
CCW 14 R -
CW 5 B L
CCW 13 B L
CCW 8 R W
CCW 16 R W
CCW 15 B W
CCW 2 0 L
CW 1 R -
CW 10 R W
CW 14 R W
CCW 6 R L
CCW 14 R W
CCW 18 L
CCW 5 B W
CCW 5 R W
CW 13 B L
CCW 15 R L
CW 8 R L
CCW 18 R L
CW 15 B L
CW 2 B L
CW 9 R W
CW 13 R W
CW 17 B L
CW 4 B W
CW 18 R L
CW 12 R W
CCW 14 R L
CCW 2 R L
CW 17 B L
CW 14 B W
CCW 7 R L
CCW 16 R W
CCW 7 R W
CCW 12 B W
CW 16 R L
CW 12 R W
CW 5 B W
CW 16 R W
CCW 11 R L
CCW 18 B L
CCW 18 R L
CW 12 B L
CCW 13 B L
CW 15 B L
CCW 16 R L
CCW 10 R W
CCW 8 R W
CCW 15 0 W
CCW 12 R W
CCW 12 B W
CCW 5 R W
CW 1 B L
CW 12 B W
CCW 15 B L
CW 10 B L
CW 11 B W
CW 7 R W
CW 10 R W
CW 4 R W
CW 4 R W
CW 14 R W
CW 11 R W
CW 2 R L
CW 5 B W
CCW 15 R L
CCW 13 R W
CW 11 R L
CW 13 R W
CW 14 R W
CCW 17 0 L
CCW 16 R W
CW 7 B L
CW 9 0 W
CCW 2 R -
CCW 17 B L
CW 16 B L
CCW 4 B L
cw 8 R L
CW 13 B W
CCW 1 B L
CW 19 B L
CW 15 R W
CW 14 R W
CCW 15 R L
CW 5 B L
CCW 16 B L
CW 13 R L
CW 13 R W
CCW 8 R L
CCW 11 R W
CCW 11 B W
CCW 6 B W
CCW 4 B W
CW 9 R L
CW 10 R W
CW 1 B
CW 12 B W
CCW 18 R L
CW 8 R L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 18 R L
CCW 6 R W
CW 9 B L
CCW 11 R L
CCW 14 B W
CCW 9 R W
CW 7 B L
CCW 18 R L
CW 1 B L
CW 10 B W
CCW 13 R L
CW 10 B L
CW 12 B W
CW 7 R L
CCW 18 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 7 B W
CW 8 B W
CW 16 R L
CCW 12 B L
CCW 10 B W
CCW 17 B L
CCW 15 B W
CW 3 R L
CCW 15 B L
CCW 15 R W
CW 1 B L
CW 12 B W
CW 17 R L
CCW 5 B L
CW 8 B L
CW 15 B W
CCW 10 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 8 R W
CW 3 R L
CCW 13 B L
CCW 15 B W
CW 3 R L
CW 14 R W
CCW 18 R L
CW 17 B L
CCW 3 R L
CW 18 R L
CW 18 B L
CCW 10 B L
CW 5 R L
CCW 12 B L
CW 11 B L
CCW 8 0 L
CW 8 B -
0 L
CW 13 R L
CW 10 R W
CW 2 R L
CCW 2 R L
CCW 16 R W
CCW 3 B W
CCW 9 R W
CCW 11 R W
CW 3 B L
CW 16 R W
CW 8 R W
CW 16 R W
CW 12 R W
CW 17 R L
CCW 12 B L
CCW 18 R L
CCW 5 B W
CW 2 B L
CCW 7 B L
CCW 6 B W
CCW 1 R L
CCW 15 B W
CCW 9 R W
CW 1 B L
CCW 11 B L
CCW 15 R W
CW 1 B L
CW 5 R W
CCW 9 B L
CW 11 R L
CW 16 0 W
0 0 -
CCW 14 R -
CCW 6 R W
CCW 18 R L
CCW 3 B W
CCW 2 B L
CW 3 R L
CW 5 R W
0 R L
CW 8 R L
CW 8 R W
CCW 14 R L
CW 12 R L
CW 2 R L
CCW 18 B L
CCW 4 B W
CCW 6 B W
CCW 9 R W
CCW 2 R L
CW 13 B L
CCW 5 R L
CCW 9 B W
CCW 4 B W
CCW 11 R W
CCW 6 R W
CCW 14 R W
CCW 3 R W
CCW 13 B W
CCW 5 R W
CCW 5 B W
CW 10 B L
0 B L
CCW 9 R L
CW 3 B L
CW 8 B W
CW 11 R W
CW 12 B W
CW 8 B W
CW 1 R L
CCW 11 B L
CCW 9 B W
CW 16 R L
CCW 16 B L
CCW 14 B W
0 ccw 6 0
6 ccw 10 B W
33 cw 12 B L
8 ccw 6 B L
32 ccw 15 R W
19 cw 2 R L
11 cw 11 B W
22 cw 14 B W
30 ccw 13 R L
34 ccw 6 R W
2 ccw 3 B W
34 ccw 3 R W
12 ccw 13 R W
36 cw 17 R L
25 cw 6 R W
1 cw 16 R W
18 cw 6 R W
14 ccw 4 R L
36 ccw 12 R W
20 ccw 11 B W
35 cw 10 B L
22 ccw 6 B L
35 cw 6 B L
1 ccw 11 R L
8 ccw 7 B W
33 cw 6 B L
7 cw 9 R W
26 cw 5 B W
14 ccw 11 R L
+896u was the total win from all session above Flatbet (playing with 14 numbers)
Quote+896u was the total win from all session Flatbet
yes! Flatbet! now it make sense...
I'll start making this tracker now. It will take afew hours since i must enter all 14 numbers for black/red cw and ccw.
ignatus
What is wrong with the 5 number method?
Seriously, you don't seem to stick with anything long enough to truly find out how it flies. For a small fee, Nick would put this into and Excel sheet and we could F9 it a few thousand times and see what it does.
If you contact him and get a price, I may be willing to pay it. Then they could include it in my bot. I don't know the rules or I'd do it myself.
Sam
I dont think this methode will work for an RNG only for real dealer and specific casinos/tables.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 16, 10:50 AM 2013
ignatus
What is wrong with the 5 number method?
Seriously, you don't seem to stick with anything long enough to truly find out how it flies. For a small fee, Nick would put this into and Excel sheet and we could F9 it a few thousand times and see what it does.
If you contact him and get a price, I may be willing to pay it. Then they could include it in my bot. I don't know the rules or I'd do it myself.
Sam
There is nothing wrong with it. Just wanted to try this one since hitrate is high.
I've got 2000+ spins recorded for William hill live wheel from a while ago, left spin and right spin.
say the balls on 22 and its going to spin right, ill mark down the next number that hits (say it hits 19) ill go on my right sheet and mark 19 and so and so...
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 16, 12:36 PM 2013
Just wanted to try this one since hitrate is high.
Are you playing for profit or hit rate?
They are two completely different things.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 16, 04:38 PM 2013
Are you playing for profit or hit rate?
They are two completely different things.
What about both? 8)
and thisone? they both seem interesing?
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 10, 03:44 PM 2013
I'm working on my own "supertracker" distance is calculated right: 0-18. Also CW CCW... almost!
I've been working on solving this problem (for almost 24h now :S)..... CW & CCW is correct when spins are within 0-36. BUT when it overlaps the zero CW and CCW is wrong (from end to beginning).... someone know how to solve this? (I'm a beginner programmer!) Made in Pascal. Here is the code and the tracker....
Tracker not finished! DISTANCE is correct, not CW, CCW...
program Wheelmov;
var x,y,sum,sum1,sum2,sum3,dist,oldbet,bet:integer;
begin
repeat;
writeln('Enter last spin: ');
readln(bet);
writeln('Enter second last spin:');
readln(oldbet);
if bet=0 then x:=0;
if oldbet=0 then y:=0;
if bet=32 then x:=1;
if oldbet=32 then y:=1;
if bet=15 then x:=2;
if oldbet=15 then y:=2;
if bet=19 then x:=3;
if oldbet=19 then y:=3;
if bet=4 then x:=4;
if oldbet=4 then y:=4;
if bet=21 then x:=5;
if oldbet=21 then y:=5;
if bet=2 then x:=6;
if oldbet=2 then y:=6;
if bet=25 then x:=7;
if oldbet=25 then y:=7;
if bet=17 then x:=8;
if oldbet=17 then y:=8;
if bet=34 then x:=9;
if oldbet=34 then y:=9;
if bet=6 then x:=10;
if oldbet=6 then y:=10;
if bet=27 then x:=11;
if oldbet=27 then y:=11;
if bet=13 then x:=12;
if oldbet=13 then y:=12;
if bet=36 then x:=13;
if oldbet=36 then y:=13;
if bet=11 then x:=14;
if oldbet=11 then y:=14;
if bet=30 then x:=15;
if oldbet=30 then y:=15;
if bet=8 then x:=16;
if oldbet=8 then y:=16;
if bet=23 then x:=17;
if oldbet=23 then y:=17;
if bet=10 then x:=18;
if oldbet=10 then y:=18;
if bet=5 then x:=19;
if oldbet=5 then y:=19;
if bet=24 then x:=20;
if oldbet=24 then y:=20;
if bet=16 then x:=21;
if oldbet=16 then y:=21;
if bet=33 then x:=22;
if oldbet=33 then y:=22;
if bet=1 then x:=23;
if oldbet=1 then y:=23;
if bet=20 then x:=24;
if oldbet=20 then y:=24;
if bet=14 then x:=25;
if oldbet=14 then y:=25;
if bet=31 then x:=26;
if oldbet=31 then y:=26;
if bet=9 then x:=27;
if oldbet=9 then y:=27;
if bet=22 then x:=28;
if oldbet=22 then y:=28;
if bet=18 then x:=29;
if oldbet=18 then y:=29;
if bet=29 then x:=30;
if oldbet=29 then y:=30;
if bet=7 then x:=31;
if oldbet=7 then y:=31;
if bet=28 then x:=32;
if oldbet=28 then y:=32;
if bet=12 then x:=33;
if oldbet=12 then y:=33;
if bet=35 then x:=34;
if oldbet=35 then y:=34;
if bet=3 then x:=35;
if oldbet=3 then y:=35;
if bet=26 then x:=36;
if oldbet=26 then y:=36;
if x > y then dist:=x-y;
if y > x then dist:=y-x;
if x > y then sum1:=0;
if x < y then sum1:=1;
if dist > 18 then sum2:=0;
if dist < 18 then sum2:=1;
sum:=sum1*sum2;
if dist > 18 then dist:=37-dist;
if x = y then dist:=0;
writeln();
if sum = 1 then writeln('*** CW ',dist);
if sum = 0 then writeln('** CCW ',dist);
writeln();
until bet=99;
end.
Hello igantus
could you please release correct code for ccw and cw direction in your code ?
also how can I send priviate message to you , i can't find in firum .
Regards
I really don't remember what i did back then, but you can use another tracker, (with correct cw, ccw directions) Avg. distance, problem is you can't calculate *all spins*, you must separate /calculate the spins for the clockwise anticlockwise spin the dealer spin (only calculate the clockwise spins, for an example, that would be calculate for each 2nd spin)...And even using this tracker calculating each second spins would not work, because it's not designed for that, it's designed for calculate *Every spin*. (and that would be wrong) I can't fix the code im sorry,....
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 30, 09:53 PM 2017
I really don't remember what i did back then, but you can use another tracker, (with correct cw, ccw directions) Avg. distance, problem is you can't calculate *all spins*, you must separate /calculate the spins for the clockwise anticlockwise spin the dealer spin (only calculate the clockwise spins, for an example, that would be calculate for each 2nd spin)...And even using this tracker calculating each second spins would not work, because it's not designed for that, it's designed for calculate *Every spin*. (and that would be wrong) I can't fix the code im sorry,....
thank you ignatus
I think you don't get my point .
I programmed your code with C++ for my android phone .
but CW and CCW direction is wrong , I don't need more code for calculation .
for example from 28 to 13 .your program show CCW while it is CW .
here is your code .I want just correct CW and CCW direction .
if sum = 1 then writeln('*** CW ',dist);
if sum = 0 then writeln('** CCW ',dist);
thank you for reposne and help .
the idea itself is old and it won't work with modern wheels.
they randomize the speeds chaotically so you can't use baselines
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 31, 01:24 PM 2017
the idea itself is old and it won't work with modern wheels.
they randomize the speeds chaotically so you can't use baselines
thank you
I am in Asia . and the roulettes are old . so it's work for me well .
and it's important for me . because I should use my smart phone in land base casino .
I will glad if Ignatus help me to correct the code for CW and CCW direction .
Quote from: onlinemelk on Oct 31, 03:16 PM 2017
thank you
I am in Asia . and the roulettes are old . so it's work for me well .
and it's important for me . because I should use my smart phone in land base casino .
I will glad if Ignatus help me to correct the code for CW and CCW direction .
Can you tell more about it?
what code is this and what does it do?
maybe i can help you
This discussion so far is in the right direction.
Here below is the code for wheel move distance tracker by ignatus
program Wheelmov;
var x,y,sum,sum1,sum2,sum3,dist,oldbet,bet:integer;
begin
repeat;
writeln('Enter last spin: ');
readln(bet);
writeln('Enter second last spin:');
readln(oldbet);
if bet=0 then x:=0;
if oldbet=0 then y:=0;
if bet=32 then x:=1;
if oldbet=32 then y:=1;
if bet=15 then x:=2;
if oldbet=15 then y:=2;
if bet=19 then x:=3;
if oldbet=19 then y:=3;
if bet=4 then x:=4;
if oldbet=4 then y:=4;
if bet=21 then x:=5;
if oldbet=21 then y:=5;
if bet=2 then x:=6;
if oldbet=2 then y:=6;
if bet=25 then x:=7;
if oldbet=25 then y:=7;
if bet=17 then x:=8;
if oldbet=17 then y:=8;
if bet=34 then x:=9;
if oldbet=34 then y:=9;
if bet=6 then x:=10;
if oldbet=6 then y:=10;
if bet=27 then x:=11;
if oldbet=27 then y:=11;
if bet=13 then x:=12;
if oldbet=13 then y:=12;
if bet=36 then x:=13;
if oldbet=36 then y:=13;
if bet=11 then x:=14;
if oldbet=11 then y:=14;
if bet=30 then x:=15;
if oldbet=30 then y:=15;
if bet=8 then x:=16;
if oldbet=8 then y:=16;
if bet=23 then x:=17;
if oldbet=23 then y:=17;
if bet=10 then x:=18;
if oldbet=10 then y:=18;
if bet=5 then x:=19;
if oldbet=5 then y:=19;
if bet=24 then x:=20;
if oldbet=24 then y:=20;
if bet=16 then x:=21;
if oldbet=16 then y:=21;
if bet=33 then x:=22;
if oldbet=33 then y:=22;
if bet=1 then x:=23;
if oldbet=1 then y:=23;
if bet=20 then x:=24;
if oldbet=20 then y:=24;
if bet=14 then x:=25;
if oldbet=14 then y:=25;
if bet=31 then x:=26;
if oldbet=31 then y:=26;
if bet=9 then x:=27;
if oldbet=9 then y:=27;
if bet=22 then x:=28;
if oldbet=22 then y:=28;
if bet=18 then x:=29;
if oldbet=18 then y:=29;
if bet=29 then x:=30;
if oldbet=29 then y:=30;
if bet=7 then x:=31;
if oldbet=7 then y:=31;
if bet=28 then x:=32;
if oldbet=28 then y:=32;
if bet=12 then x:=33;
if oldbet=12 then y:=33;
if bet=35 then x:=34;
if oldbet=35 then y:=34;
if bet=3 then x:=35;
if oldbet=3 then y:=35;
if bet=26 then x:=36;
if oldbet=26 then y:=36;
if x > y then dist:=x-y;
if y > x then dist:=y-x;
if x > y then sum1:=0;
if x < y then sum1:=1;
if dist > 18 then sum2:=0;
if dist < 18 then sum2:=1;
sum:=sum1*sum2;
if dist > 18 then dist:=37-dist;
if x = y then dist:=0;
writeln();
if sum = 1 then writeln('*** CW ',dist);
if sum = 0 then writeln('** CCW ',dist);
writeln();
until bet=99;
end.
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when you run this program and you entered example 28 and 13 , program show you CCW 17 while program should give you CW 17 direction .
I want just correct this code for cw and ccw direction because program is wrong .
I programmed igantus code with c++ for my cell phone . but program give me wrong CW and CCW Direction .
I need correct code for simulate in c++ . I hope you got my point .
Regards
Quote from: onlinemelk on Oct 31, 06:07 PM 2017
Here below is the code for wheel move distance tracker by ignatus
program Wheelmov;
var x,y,sum,sum1,sum2,sum3,dist,oldbet,bet:integer;
begin
repeat;
writeln('Enter last spin: ');
readln(bet);
writeln('Enter second last spin:');
readln(oldbet);
if bet=0 then x:=0;
if oldbet=0 then y:=0;
if bet=32 then x:=1;
if oldbet=32 then y:=1;
if bet=15 then x:=2;
if oldbet=15 then y:=2;
if bet=19 then x:=3;
if oldbet=19 then y:=3;
if bet=4 then x:=4;
if oldbet=4 then y:=4;
if bet=21 then x:=5;
if oldbet=21 then y:=5;
if bet=2 then x:=6;
if oldbet=2 then y:=6;
if bet=25 then x:=7;
if oldbet=25 then y:=7;
if bet=17 then x:=8;
if oldbet=17 then y:=8;
if bet=34 then x:=9;
if oldbet=34 then y:=9;
if bet=6 then x:=10;
if oldbet=6 then y:=10;
if bet=27 then x:=11;
if oldbet=27 then y:=11;
if bet=13 then x:=12;
if oldbet=13 then y:=12;
if bet=36 then x:=13;
if oldbet=36 then y:=13;
if bet=11 then x:=14;
if oldbet=11 then y:=14;
if bet=30 then x:=15;
if oldbet=30 then y:=15;
if bet=8 then x:=16;
if oldbet=8 then y:=16;
if bet=23 then x:=17;
if oldbet=23 then y:=17;
if bet=10 then x:=18;
if oldbet=10 then y:=18;
if bet=5 then x:=19;
if oldbet=5 then y:=19;
if bet=24 then x:=20;
if oldbet=24 then y:=20;
if bet=16 then x:=21;
if oldbet=16 then y:=21;
if bet=33 then x:=22;
if oldbet=33 then y:=22;
if bet=1 then x:=23;
if oldbet=1 then y:=23;
if bet=20 then x:=24;
if oldbet=20 then y:=24;
if bet=14 then x:=25;
if oldbet=14 then y:=25;
if bet=31 then x:=26;
if oldbet=31 then y:=26;
if bet=9 then x:=27;
if oldbet=9 then y:=27;
if bet=22 then x:=28;
if oldbet=22 then y:=28;
if bet=18 then x:=29;
if oldbet=18 then y:=29;
if bet=29 then x:=30;
if oldbet=29 then y:=30;
if bet=7 then x:=31;
if oldbet=7 then y:=31;
if bet=28 then x:=32;
if oldbet=28 then y:=32;
if bet=12 then x:=33;
if oldbet=12 then y:=33;
if bet=35 then x:=34;
if oldbet=35 then y:=34;
if bet=3 then x:=35;
if oldbet=3 then y:=35;
if bet=26 then x:=36;
if oldbet=26 then y:=36;
if x > y then dist:=x-y;
if y > x then dist:=y-x;
if x > y then sum1:=0;
if x < y then sum1:=1;
if dist > 18 then sum2:=0;
if dist < 18 then sum2:=1;
sum:=sum1*sum2;
if dist > 18 then dist:=37-dist;
if x = y then dist:=0;
writeln();
if sum = 1 then writeln('*** CW ',dist);
if sum = 0 then writeln('** CCW ',dist);
writeln();
until bet=99;
end.
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when you run this program and you entered example 28 and 13 , program show you CCW 17 while program should give you CW 17 direction .
I want just correct this code for cw and ccw direction because program is wrong .
I programmed igantus code with c++ for my cell phone . but program give me wrong CW and CCW Direction .
I need correct code for simulate in c++ . I hope you got my point .
Regards
So you want to use last two spins in your c++ program to get the average wheel distance and calculate the next most probable number?
If that what you want then for what are ccw and cw ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 01, 06:58 AM 2017
So you want to use last two spins in your c++ program to get the average wheel distance and calculate the next most probable number?
If that what you want then for what are ccw and cw ?
yes , completely right .
nobody ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 02, 03:01 PM 2017
what are cw and ccww for ?
I don't wanna bet on both side when you have better result on CCW for example . I hope u got it .
ignatus didn't help me .I ask him to give me AVGDistance code , but he told me a joke , that he can't help me .
I though he is here for help , but I was in wrong . he didn't want to help to another users like me .
Regards
I lost 35000 USD during last 5 month . now I think maybe I can back my money with this way .I am not sure .
but I am disappointed when see nobody want to help to another users .
Quote from: onlinemelk on Nov 02, 03:35 PM 2017
I lost 35000 USD during last 5 month . now I think maybe I can back my money with this way .I am not sure .
but I am disappointed when see nobody want to help to another users .
Dude, are you broke now? you are a typical problem-gambler... the gambler who plays more than what he can afford to lose... Chasing Losses is Never A Good Idea ... forget it for a while...
you can contact me privately
Take care
Thank you for response .
no , I am not broke . I am looking for a way to earn money :smile: , I know I can't back my money . :embarrassed:
Losing money can be very painful. Really the best thing is to forget chasing the loss, learn and move on. Make it a positive learning experience and then you will make it back other ways. Not gambling.
Quote from: onlinemelk on Nov 02, 03:35 PM 2017
I lost 35000 USD during last 5 month . now I think maybe I can back my money with this way .I am not sure .
but I am disappointed when see nobody want to help to another users .
I don't think that there is any method in roulette that will guarantee you getting that humongous amount that you have already lost back. Roulette simply is NOT that type of a game.
It is a heartless, brutal game that will take away any additional money that you throw at it to recoup your losses.
The ONLY REALISTIC help that we can give you is to advise you to stay away from any casino (b&m or online) for a long, long time.
Quote from: onlinemelk on Nov 02, 03:35 PM 2017
I lost 35000 USD during last 5 month . now I think maybe I can back my money with this way .I am not sure .
but I am disappointed when see nobody want to help to another users .
Oh boy, sorry to hear that.
I can't help about that programming stuff that's beyond me.
Agree with DoctorSudoku. Roulette is a game that's set up to take the patrons money, you were not entirely unlucky to lose that sum, you may say the game is subtly rigged.
To risk further sums with the hope to recoup this loss don't make sense. The casino will make sure you lose your money to them. The wheel manufacturers develop technology to determine the pocket it eventually lands. Read this as example.
link:://:.casinolifemagazine.com/news/cammegh-heralds-gli-approval-mercury-360-rrs-wheel
link:://:.cammegh.com/product.php?product=slingshot2
link:s://:.google.com.pg/patents/US20050288089
All that the industry does to give complete control to the casino operators is legal.
I hope the above info will help convince you of the futility to win at roulette.
thank you all for advice to me .
I lost all my money on link:s://:.evolutiongaming.com/ (link:s://:.evolutiongaming.com/) Roulette . all roulette of them are completely Rigged like Immersive . they are in Latvia(rigga). I am sure that russian Mafia control it . in russia country casino are illegial ,so they move to Latvia(country beside russia) to run casino and steal money from players .
They stole money from users . it is so clear , if I was in land base casino, sure Never Lose such as money . but over internet you will lose and lose . it's enough to see 10 minute Immersive Roulette , you will completely Surprised to see how ball move nad land .
and About average distance program by Ignatus , it's so clear you will lose your money if use this program , this program never help to users . but it's helpful to find ccw and cw direction like wheelmov program .
Quote from: onlinemelk on Nov 03, 04:19 AM 2017About average distance program by Ignatus , it's so clear you will lose your money if use this program , this program never help to users . but it's helpful to find ccw and cw direction like wheelmov program .
Yes? i didn't know, ...you must separate the cw and ccw spins *the dealer make* and calculate the avg distance from that, (as i got a priv msg,) i haven't tried it yet, and this program is not made for that purpose,....
As i explained you must separate the CW and CCW the dealer make and calculate the distance for those two separate directions, now... tbh, i think this is just stupid and i did a short test , (and my result was not good), so i share this "super secret information" i got ...
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 03, 04:42 AM 2017
As i explained you must separate the CW and CCW the dealer make and calculate the distance for those two separate directions, now... tbh, i think this is just stupid and i did a short test , (and my result was not good), so i share this "super secret information" i got ...
I bought RRSYS 2 months ago , it's not work .
do you think immersive roulette live wheel is rigged or manipulated ?
All opinions are welcome
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 03, 05:30 AM 2017
do you think immersive roulette live wheel is rigged or manipulated ?
All opinions are welcome
yeah , right , you don't believe it ? if you were winner it's not mean they didn't manipulate and redirect ball .
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHxduvjOvE
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNLnkmJVwk
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=SXOXNDdrGdM
I also sent pm to you , you didn't answer to me .
Regards
There're new wheels equipped with latest technology that gives the control of outcome to the casino. However, those wheels are not cheap. The casino has to decide whether to acquire those new wheels or refurbish older wheels with crude magnets.
Do they always 24/7 manipulate the outcome ? Is it necessary since HE already ensures system betting lose eventually ? Their integrity is put into question losing punters confidence giving overall lower turnover.
The answer is no.
This technology is mostly used targeted at suspect professional AP/rc punters whom the industry deem this vermin lot as cheats. Probably include those profiting over the top.
Ofc there're always the rogue operators.
Where the periodic performance does not meet targets, management mostly resort to lower the payout.
For the future, every new wheel installed is expected to have control over the outcome. The future is indeed bleak, afterall it's fun and entertainment which the patrons unwittingly pays for in a legal manner.
ok
When wheel got RRS random rotor system like so cammegh wheels got it make dealer spins not consistent, and also kill playing based on dealer signature or RRSYS .etc