Hello good fellows,
This one has me intrigued...
Lay it out in a 3x3 matrix style, numbered 1-6 (representing the double streets)
So as the numbers come out it would look something like this:
1 3 2
2 1 1
3 1 3
Now here's the thing, it's a simple betting procedure... we're simply fishing for
a repeat after spin 1 (spin 1 being the top left hand number)
We then go along horizontally each row, looking for repeats both horizontally
AND vertically.
This means sometimes we are betting on 1 double street, and perhaps other
occasions, 2.
This also means that the progression could be tricky to work out.
The top row will all be betting on 1 DS.
The second row, first number will be too, but the next 2 numbers on the second row
will betting 2 DS.
The 3rd row is the same as the 2nd.
Each mini game is one of these 3x3 grids.
I have looked at dozens of these grids and only come up with 1 so far where there
has been no vertical or horizontal repeats.
This means that it has caught my attention and I will begin to note down here
each mini game of 3x3 grids, but first I need a progression suitable for this if any
wise head can formulate such a thing for this.
Here's a grid from my sample, and an average one at that.
5 1 1
1 3 4
2 1 6
So you see, the first number, 5, we don't bet on. We then bet for a repeat of it.
Loss because a 1 showed up. We then bet for repeat of DS 1, and it wins.
That's that mini game won and you can close it down and start afresh or hit the
road, or fridge or whatever.
Another one:
3 4 6
2 4 3
6 1 3
You'll see many grids that have 2 or more repeats in them. I don;t chase after multiple
repeats and shut it down after the one only. Here, we win on the second row on DS 4.
Remember, we have 8 chances to get a vertical or horizontal winner. On the second row
when the win is on DS 4, we would also have been betting for DS 2, to try and win on the
horizontal too.
Hope this is fairly clear by now. Grab hold of some grids and see for yourself!
BW
first test
240 spins
44 games played (44 grids)
only 3 Losses (3x3 grid -no repeats) out of the 44, impressive
another 300 spins
60 games played
again only 3 losses
47 spins
10 games
+20 units :)
Agesta
If my math is right the progression goes something like this:
1,1,1,1,2,3,4,6
bettin 1DS, 1DS, 1DS, 2DS, 2DS, 2DS, 2DS, 2DS
total 35 units
average 2,625 units per win
14 wins to 1 Loss is required for profit
so ulsteroptom has some nice profits ;)
very nice Buff, will give this a go, thanks
This is great guys,
Thank you for helping out with testing and cheers soggett for working out a progression.
Agesta, what progression were you using?
I'll do some tests tonight
BW
Latest test
32 winning grids
2 losing grids
I guess the amount you win by depends
on when you hit and whether it's on a
1 DS or 2 DS
More later
@ sogget
would the bets not be
1DS, 1DS, row 1
1Ds,2DS,2DS row 2
1DS, 2DS,2DS row 3
Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 07:14 AM 2013
@ sogget
would the bets not be
1DS, 1DS, row 1
1Ds,2DS,2DS row 2
1DS, 2DS,2DS row 3
That's correct ulster
Perhaps that would also affect soggetts progression
too. Means it could be slightly milder even?
More testing:
45 complete grids -
42 winning grids
3 losing
It is very quick and easy to test on random.org
if you get 3x3 and then keep clicking again to
recreate the grids over and over.
BW
Further grid testing
30 grids
30 wins
0 losses
Still holding up great so far
Could it really carry on defying the odds?
Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 07:14 AM 2013
@ sogget
would the bets not be
1DS, 1DS, row 1
1Ds,2DS,2DS row 2
1DS, 2DS,2DS row 3
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 30, 06:17 PM 2013
We then go along horizontally each row, looking for repeats both horizontally
AND vertically.
This means sometimes we are betting on 1 double street, and perhaps other
occasions, 2.
The top row will all be betting on 1 DS.
The second row, first number will be too, but the next 2 numbers on the second row
will betting 2 DS.
The 3rd row is the same as the 2nd. UUPS, I missed that
sorry guys, my bad
then the progression goes
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,5
total 27 units
2,625 units per game on average
11 wins per 1 loss needed in average
even better ;)
Quote from: soggett on May 31, 09:49 AM 2013
sorry guys, my bad
then the progression goes
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,5
total 27 units
2,625 units per game on average
11 wins per 1 loss needed in average
even better ;)
Good news indeed soggett,
Could you tell me how much is the winnings
per step in that progression please mate?
Much appreciated, then I can work out exactly
how much won each session
102 GRIDS PLAYED
10 LOSSES
JUST BELOW THE 1 IN 11 :(
2 GIRDS LOSS IN A ROW, TWICE - SO 16 BETS LOSS IN A ROW- HAVE NOT SEEN 3 IN A ROW YET -
Hm food for thought
It would be interesting how in terms of MM
you would cope with that and maybe we need to
Close down a session after a single loss or else
cater the progression for two or three grids in a row
61 games one loss of 5 losses of 8.
WOULD A PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION WORK SOMEHOW
1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,
1dS ONE STEP UP ON PROGRESSION, 2 dS WOULD COUNT AS TWO STEPS UP ON THE PROGRESSION, WIN ON 1 ds MOVE BACK 4 STEPS ON PROGRESSION, WIN ON 2 dS MOVE BACK 2 STEPS ON PROGRESSION?
Quote from: warrior on May 31, 10:42 AM 2013
61 games one loss of 5 losses of 8.
So five losses in the 61 games?
If so that's slightly above expectancy
Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 10:46 AM 2013
WOULD A PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION WORK SOMEHOW
1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,
1dS ONE STEP UP ON PROGRESSION, 2 dS WOULD COUNT AS TWO STEPS UP ON THE PROGRESSION, WIN ON 1 ds MOVE BACK 4 STEPS ON PROGRESSION, WIN ON 2 dS MOVE BACK 2 STEPS ON PROGRESSION?
I like the look of that ulster, simple enough to implement
Hopefully it can handle 2 grids lost in a row
how about using a penthouse progression
1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,
Loss on 1DS, move up 1, loss on 2DS bet move up two spaces on progression (as basically two bets)
win on 1 DS move back 4 on progression, win on 2 DS move back 2 spaces on progression
Start new grid at 1 if in new profit, otherwise continue on progression line
would something like this work
worst i had seen was with my above results - 300 spins - 60 games - 3 losses
2 of those losses were back to back (rare occurrence) but then the wins came quick, within first or second row
but two losses in a row, would have meant 16 bets
1,1,
1,2(1 on each DS), 4(2 on each DS)
2 (1ds), 4(2 on each DS), 6(3 on each DS)
21 units loss on above grid - progression so far - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3
3,3,
3,8,8,
4,10,10
49 units loss on second grid - total 70 units so far - progression so far - 3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5
next grid was
2,5,3
2 win
bets
5,6
6 (win 36 units) - won 19 units on this game - back 4 on progression line as win on 1 DS
still down 51 units
next grid
2,2 (win)
5(win 30 units) - won 25 for this game
still down 27 units - back 4 on progression
next grid
425
11 win
bets
4,4
5,10 win(30 units) - win 7 units this game - back two spaces on progression
still down 20 units
next grid
134
63 win
bets
5,5
5,10 win (30 units)- win 5 total for this game
still down 15 - back two steps on profession
next grid
356
264
2 win
bets
5,5
5,12,12
6 (36 units win) - 45 units bets - down 9 units for this game
total -24 - back 4 steps on progression
next grid
3,3 win (36 units ) total 30 for this game
total up 6 units - begin progression from beginning
hmm, took 6 games after two losses in a row to recover - potential?
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 31, 09:55 AM 2013
Good news indeed soggett,
Could you tell me how much is the winnings
per step in that progression please mate?
Much appreciated, then I can work out exactly
how much won each session
no problem
5,4,3,1,3,1,1,3 units
Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 11:46 AM 2013
how about using a penthouse progression
1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,
Loss on 1DS, move up 1, loss on 2DS bet move up two spaces on progression (as basically two bets)
win on 1 DS move back 4 on progression, win on 2 DS move back 2 spaces on progression
Start new grid at 1 if in new profit, otherwise continue on progression line
would something like this work
worst i had seen was with my above results - 300 spins - 60 games - 3 losses
2 of those losses were back to back (rare occurrence) but then the wins came quick, within first or second row
but two losses in a row, would have meant 16 bets
1,1,
1,2(1 on each DS), 4(2 on each DS)
2 (1ds), 4(2 on each DS), 6(3 on each DS)
21 units loss on above grid - progression so far - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3
3,3,
3,8,8,
4,10,10
49 units loss on second grid - total 70 units so far - progression so far - 3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5
next grid was
2,5,3
2 win
bets
5,6
6 (win 36 units) - won 19 units on this game - back 4 on progression line as win on 1 DS
still down 51 units
next grid
2,2 (win)
5(win 30 units) - won 25 for this game
still down 27 units - back 4 on progression
next grid
425
11 win
bets
4,4
5,10 win(30 units) - win 7 units this game - back two spaces on progression
still down 20 units
next grid
134
63 win
bets
5,5
5,10 win (30 units)- win 5 total for this game
still down 15 - back two steps on profession
next grid
356
264
2 win
bets
5,5
5,12,12
6 (36 units win) - 45 units bets - down 9 units for this game
total -24 - back 4 steps on progression
next grid
3,3 win (36 units ) total 30 for this game
total up 6 units - begin progression from beginning
hmm, took 6 games after two losses in a row to recover - potential?
I'd say a definite yes to that one!
Considering that back to back losses are indeed a rare event, the penthouse could be the best MM to complement this method
Quote from: soggett on May 31, 11:58 AM 2013
no problem
5,4,3,1,3,1,1,3 units
Thanks a lot soggett,
I can start posting amounts won or lost now in my sessions
Out of interest I wonder how long it would hae taken ulster to get back into profit using soggetts progression if it was just taken back to the beginning again at the start of each new grid.
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 31, 02:01 PM 2013
Out of interest I wonder how long it would hae taken ulster to get back into profit using soggetts progression if it was just taken back to the beginning again at the start of each new grid.
BW
he would still be down
I gave you the classic marty so you know there are better ways ;)
Out of 61 games I had only one back to back.
In keeping with my normal dense-ness.........
Here's your grid:
1 3 2
2 1 1
3 1 3
We see it completed. Let's look at it incomplete:
1.......now I bet for DS 1
1 3......now I bet for DS 3
1 3 2 .........now I bet for DS 2
Am I right on the first row?
Now to the second:
1 3 2
2................here we bet for a DS 2. Is that right?
1 3 2
2 1...........here we bet for a DS 1, but what other DS? The 3 above?
I am unclear on the vertical bets.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 31, 03:42 PM 2013
In keeping with my normal dense-ness.........
Here's your grid:
1 3 2
2 1 1
3 1 3
We see it completed. Let's look at it incomplete:
1.......now I bet for DS 1
1 3......now I bet for DS 3
1 3 2 .........now I bet for DS 2
Am I right on the first row?
Now to the second:
1 3 2
2................here we bet for a DS 2. Is that right?
1 3 2
2 1...........here we bet for a DS 1, but what other DS? The 3 above?
I am unclear on the vertical bets.
Sam
You are completely correct in your assumption Sam (apart from the DS 1 bit). You'd bet the the
DS 2 and the DS 3 for a vertical repeat. Then you'd bet a DS 1 and a
DS 2 after that.
Hope that helps. I think this could really stand up by using Ulster's
progression plan.
BW
clarification needed
sam example
row 1
1,3,2 is the next bet not meant to be on row 2 for DS 1
1 (betting for DS 1 here)
Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 04:47 PM 2013
clarification needed
sam example
row 1
1,3,2 is the next bet not meant to be on row 2 for DS 1
1 (betting for DS 1 here)
Yes you are right too ulster. Next after that you'd bet for DS 1 + 3
I think Sam made a slight typo that's all but I'm pretty sure we all
are singing from the same hymn sheet
ANOTHER 500 SPINS
96 GAMES PLAYED
7 OF THESE LOST
STILL HOLDING UP
NO CONSECUTIVE LOSSES ON THIS RUN
Nice going ulster
Some bloody good testing going on here which is great, so cheers
THINK THIS WAS A LOSING SESSION
ANOTHER 500 SPINS
87 GAMES PLAYED
16 OF THESE WERE LOSSES :(
ALSO WINS CAME LATE IN THE SESSION - THINK THIS ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO BREAK EVEN - HARD TO KNOW WHAT PROFIT LOSS WOULD BE AS PROGRESSION WOULD TAKE TO LONG TO TEST
ALSO LONGEST LOSE STREAK WAS TWO GAMES IN A ROW
HERES THE SPINS FOR THE THE SESSION ABOVE - IF SOMEONE COULD WORK OUT HOW IT WOULD HAVE FINISHED WITH THE PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION
So no three losses in a row out of how many thousands of spins
Maybe we just need to counter 2 in a row as best we can- what would Marty
like for three grids in a row? Would it be beyond house limits if playing small units?
I know it's controversial and maybe clutching straws but 3 in a row is proven to be a phenomenally rare occurrence.
ANOTHER BIG TEST
850 SPINS
153 GAMES PLAYED
ONLY 14 OF THESE WERE LOSSES
2 CONSECUTIVE LOSES ONLY ONCE IN THIS SESSION
IMPRESSIVE
THINK A MARTY IS STILL RISKY GIVEN THE PREVIOUS RESULTS - WOULD HAVE DONE REALLY WELL WITH THIS TEST THOUGH IF A MARTY WAS USED - DONT KNOW- BUT A PROPER PROGRESSION IS KEY FOR THIS BET
Could do with Nickmsi making a Excel sheet for this baby, and then get Sam to run it through
his Robby Robot thingy-ma-bob!
Just tried it...................love it!!! Well done BW. ;D
2 sessions, at BV European Roulette (with Zero)
Both won.
2nd session looks like this
3 2 6
4 3 3
2 3 4
Start BR was 100.71
End BR is 101.71 (playing with 0.10 unit)
9 spins!! LoL
I really like this chaps...............its like presenting Random, with Random challenge!! :thumbsup:
PENTHOUSE FAILED MISERABLY ON ATTACHED SESSION
2 CONSECUTIVE IS RARE
MAYBE PLAY HIT AND RUN - MARTY
THIS IS THE PROGRESSION I HAVE COME UP WITH FOR THIS
1ST GAME BETS
1,1
1,4,4
3,8,12 ----- 34 UNITS
1ST GAME PAYOUTS
+5,+4
+3,+5,+1
+4,+2,+2
2nd game bets
7,9
10, 26, 38
25, 80, 120 (60 per DS) --- total after 2 consecutive losses -350
2nd game payouts
+1,+4
0,+2,0
+11,+10,+10
safer progression needed - but needs to be more aggressive then the penthouse to make up for lost games, or late wins in a grid
progression still needs to be continued capture win in third grid
making this a scary progression
however 3 consecutive losses has not been seen yet, I am sure its out there but hopefully a very rare event
maybe a game to be botted for betvoyager, low stakes
Could be so....
I just had a third game at BV, and lost, lost, won, lost, lost.........U get the picture, :-\
6 4 6
6 1 4
3 2 3
Progression isn't the issue, cause U can flatten it out, esp if U get an early win in the Matrix.
BS.......as always, is the issue.
Another way of InFilling the Grid I thought of is...........
6 - -
- 1 -
- - 3
Then U can decide which cross-hairs to play for, as against being rigidly stuck to the "Top Left To Bottom Right" technique.......
Then U could play for, say the Middle left, and bet DS6 & DS1
and so on...........
Quote from: agesta on May 31, 02:23 AM 2013
47 spins
10 games
+20 units :)
Agesta
This game and the next 29 games i have played is just flatbetting.
The last 29 games was with real Money , 0,1 euro
5 losses the last loss was because Unibet ended my session.
+ 24 units
2 losses in a roe
agesta
Flatbetting the way forward ?
All the way
OK, let me ask this: I just sat down at the table. When I get the very first DS, the 1, do I begin betting? Do I bet for the 1 to repeat?
Please don't go any further...........just address the first question.
Sam
Yes Sam your first bet would be for a repeat of that DS 1