Ok, do you belive that holy grail could be find? I do.. but only with huge bankroll.. Let's assume that we have 100.000 chips.. On BV where min bet is $0.05 that's $5000.. We just have to look at the max bet on the spot we bet.. Here you post your system that you think it won't pass 100.000 chips DD, I will test it and post the results.. Let's beat it! :)
Well for starters we could mention here the most popular
inside bet systems--or outside (whichever strikes your fancy.)
*Even tougher question a system that beats both Live Wheel & Real Money RNG.
I don't think there is live wheel or any other rng that gives you $0.05 min and $1000 max bet, so I think we should concentrate on BV..
Holy grail does not exist. At least as most understand it.
Quote from: iggiv on Aug 24, 02:57 PM 2013
Holy grail does not exist. At least as most understand it.
God doesnt exist...but how many go to church on a sunday. Its a matter of opinion
Monty Pythons Holy Grail does exsist
Ive seen it
Its the only one Im aware of though
And easily the best!
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 03:08 PM 2013
God doesn't exist...but how many go to church on a sunday. Its a matter of opinion
You can't see atoms ,does not mean there not there.
Smurfs
As always, it depends on how you define the grail. Do you win every time you place a bet? (Bob Seeger!) Or do you show a profit at the end of the month?
And how many hours would you work for the grail. What if it paid $5 per hour?
Let's get serious: What we want is a bot that works for us and churns out a few units daily for little electricity. And in a year, we're very happy!
Or not.............
TwoCat
$5 per hour would be nice.. If we play 8hrs a day, as full time job, that would be $1200 per month.. Making bot doing that, that would be holy grail :) Of course there is no system that win on every spin, that's why we should search for system that can't lose 100.000 in one session before back to plus.. Hmm, we could play martingale for 16 spins, but that will eventually lose.. I hope there is better system than martingale haha!
Quote from: warrior on Aug 24, 03:46 PM 2013
You can't see atoms ,does not mean there not there.
I believe in atoms
$5 per hour would be nice..
You're joking, right?
Quote from: iggiv on Aug 24, 02:57 PM 2013
Holy grail does not exist. At least as most understand it.
& how do most understand it please Iggiv ???
O0
I don't know if holy grail exist BUT i know people who earns really big money playing roulette...
Quote from: Smoczoor on Aug 24, 05:19 PM 2013
I don't know if holy grail exist BUT i know people who earns really big money playing roulette...
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--And those that earn,am sure won't tell you how they do it.Just on my way
there with one of those persons
I know one man - he is sitting (almost) every thursday in Warsaw, Mariott hotel casino - he can't tell me how he plays becouse he do not use any system - he is so experienced so he is betting 2 to 6 numbers per spin. He picks bet depends what happens on the table. I was watching him last thursday, talking with him sometimes but i can't play like him... im too rookie...
Big bank roll & big table limits?
Here, give this a go..
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5525.msg52852#msg52852
Recently on 1365 placed bets flat bet I'm at 100 units in profit that's around 4000 spin live play,that's around 4 hr.play a day ,just under 10 percent profit.my base units on outside bets at BM 10$ I won't quit my job LoL.but my triggers are quick to come ,not waiting very long because I get really board,waiting for a system that has long waiting period for there trigger.the holy grail is within the person,not the system.
@TwoCatSam
Yeah, $5 units per hour.. Make 4 accounts, let the bot play on 4 computers.. $20 per hour.. let the bot play 5 hours per day - $100 per day.. Isn't that enough? Do you have any systems that will earn $5 per hour for sure? Let me test it :)
@Smoczoor
Just when you see your friend, when he makes a bet, make the same bet, and you will earn big money too hehe..
Quote from: boshkodj on Aug 24, 08:22 PM 2013
@TwoCatSam
Yeah, $5 units per hour.. Make 4 accounts, let the bot play on 4 computers.. $20 per hour.. let the bot play 5 hours per day - $100 per day.. Isn't that enough? Do you have any systems that will earn $5 per hour for sure? Let me test it :)
@Smoczoor
Just when you see your friend, when he makes a bet, make the same bet, and you will earn big money too hehe..
What I'm saying is that no human would want to sit and earn $5 per hour. Well, I wouldn't!
As to the red---I don't need it tested. But thanks anyway.
am
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 24, 04:24 PM 2013
$5 per hour would be nice..
You're joking, right?
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there are millions of people in the world that make $200 - $500 / month....no, this its not a joke!
vundarosa
just to let you know!! I know the MIT guys that smashed blackjack "21", Im an old poker buddy,, all very smart dudes. They track every penny they played.... After getting into hiring teams , expenses etc etc they ended up making $40 a player per hour over the few years they played---which ain't bad w out taxes. But they did make a ton on the movie rights!!!!!
Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 24, 11:48 PM 2013
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there are millions of people in the world that make $200 - $500 / month....no, this its not a joke!
vundarosa
I sense your hackles are up!!
I had no intention of insulting or degrading the poor of the world. I realize to some $5 per hour would be wonderful. In 1972, it was wonderful to me!! I was speaking from my own perspective. We have 7-11 clerks here who make $11 per hour after a year or two. And the hamburger we used to buy for .50 now costs $5.00 without fries!
So it's all relative. I would not work for $5.00 per hour American. But then, I'm retired and wouldn't work anyway--except at roulette.
So--pass the crow if I've offended anyone.
No offense to you crows. I didn't coin the phrase.
I'm under the bed now...
TwoCat
Quote from: boshkodj on Aug 24, 08:22 PM 2013
@TwoCatSam
Yeah, $5 units per hour.. Make 4 accounts, let the bot play on 4 computers.. $20 per hour.. let the bot play 5 hours per day - $100 per day.. Isn't that enough? Do you have any systems that will earn $5 per hour for sure? Let me test it :)
@Smoczoor
Just when you see your friend, when he makes a bet, make the same bet, and you will earn big money too hehe..
try this 1 unit on 0123 - 2 units on line 6 ,8 11 - 13 14- 15 18- 17 20-27. 30 split,try this for billion maybe this is the holy of holy.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 25, 12:36 AM 2013
So--pass the crow if I've offended anyone.
TwoCat
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None taken from my end...just passing the perspective that $5.00/hr might well be what some are looking for.
vundarosa
I think the best way is to have a "method" that holds long enough to make some profit. Let´s say you start with 1000 units and you can make 3000 or 4000 before the method fails. You made profit before the fail.
Maybe you start again with 1000 units. Again you make profit before the method fails again.
That would be enough grail for me.
Where did you see this D1
Buffster
QuoteMonty Pythons Holy Grail does exsist
I've seen it
Its the only one I'm aware of though
Quote from: Buffster on Aug 25, 05:45 PM 2013
Where did you see this D1
Buffster
There you go Buffster
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=qyIZK7GWSPI
I retract my question.
Lesson learned...Don't ask a STUPID question, you won't get a STUPID answer.
My STUPID question was thinking there really was a HG.
Buffster
there are tons of good systems here and all over you have to figure out what works for you,, like warrior I play -3-6 things at a time on roulette,,, since im used too tracking them i might use 2 of them after losses or whatever.....Its almost hard to have a bad losing session........they are all very safe bets I think...but even walking across the street a 16 wheel truck can hit you! C'est la vie
Quote from: warrior on Aug 25, 12:44 AM 2013
try this 1 unit on 0123 - 2 units on line 6 ,8 11 - 13 14- 15 18- 17 20-27. 30 split,try this for billion maybe this is the holy of holy.
Warrior, can you explain this method little bit more please? What results do you have with this (if you use it). Thanks.
Quote from: martinnng on Aug 26, 06:26 AM 2013
Warrior, can you explain this method little bit more please? What results do you have with this (if you use it). Thanks.
Nothing to explain just bet.
Heres one from the other forum, 24 SPINS, THEN BET AGAINST the last 24 not being the same flat bet,red and black ,or any even money ,and there is no difference in betting the same .results
90 games , first 18 aprox. 1000 spins won 15 lost 3 next 18 won 13 lost 5 next 18 won 15 lost 3 next 18 won 12 lost 6 next 18 won14 lost 4.FLAT BET.
Hi Turner,
Was that 'atoms and eve' ?
Quote from: warrior on Aug 26, 11:42 AM 2013
Heres one from the other forum, 24 SPINS, THEN BET AGAINST the last 24 not being the same flat bet,red and black ,or any even money ,and there is no difference in betting the same .results
90 games , first 18 aprox. 1000 spins won 15 lost 3 next 18 won 13 lost 5 next 18 won 15 lost 3 next 18 won 12 lost 6 next 18 won14 lost 4.FLAT BET.
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warrior, betting against the last 18 spins or last 24? your results show 18 but intro says 24
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 31, 11:07 PM 2013
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warrior, betting against the last 18 spins or last 24? your results show 18 but intro says 24
vundarosa
there were zeros in the mix.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 01, 12:56 AM 2013
there were zeros in the mix.
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ok for bot as it takes a while to recover......After 65k spins is +165u and highest was +376u
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Sep 01, 11:26 PM 2013
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ok for bot as it takes a while to recover......After 65k spins is +165u and highest was +376u
vundarosa
I think the guy who posted this had a million spins and did well also.
Warrior --where was it posted? thx tom
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 02, 05:07 PM 2013
Warrior --where was it posted? thanks tom
i think it was on the sister forum.
If we can learn to consistently earn $5.00 per hour at Roulette, it is not too difficult to earn multiples of that amount. Just my thoughts on the subject that $5.00 per hour is a trivial amount. rossco.
it depends on your bankroll. You know if u should risk 1k to earn 5 bucks per hour i would not risk even this amount, let alone risk 10 k to earn 50 bucks per hour...
Quote from: rossco on Sep 06, 11:56 PM 2013
If we can learn to consistently earn $5.00 per hour at Roulette, it is not too difficult to earn multiples of that amount. Just my thoughts on the subject that $5.00 per hour is a trivial amount. rossco.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 07, 09:47 PM 2013
it depends on your bankroll. You know if u should risk 1k to earn 5 bucks per hour i would not risk even this amount, let alone risk 10 k to earn 50 bucks per hour...
I would risk 100.000 for 5 per hour, if I know that DD will never go beyond that 100.000, why not? :)
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 08, 04:45 AM 2013
I would risk 100.000 for 5 per hour, if I know that DD will never go beyond that 100.000, why not? :)
The word "know" changes everything!!
in roulette there is no such a thing as "never". What you think is never ever, may happen soon. It may happen in the next hour or in one year. But it MAY happen. To prevent it from happening you should not risk too much.
That's how people lost their wealth and even life with roulette. Never risk too much. Never ever ever. Better lose little than risk too much. At least this way you won't be broke. Also carrying too big amounts of money is not good, u can be robbed as well. Don't take too much risk.
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 08, 04:45 AM 2013
I would risk 100.000 for 5 per hour, if I know that DD will never go beyond that 100.000, why not? :)
I don't know are you kidding or you just don't follow my idea.. We test the system on bilion spins.. If you play 1000 spins everyday, it would took you about 3000 years.. yeah, no day, no year, but 3000 years, if it succed after bilion spins ( 3000 years ), then I would test it on 10 bilion spins ( you guess, 30000 years ).. You get it now? You can't beat roulette with low BR, that's gambling, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.. If you want to go pro, get a HUGE BR, and that's the whole phylosophy..
You win some you lose some. No roulettesystem can win all the time. A realistic goal is to find a system that wins more than it lose
We all know what's wrong, and we learn from our mistakes (hopefully)
Nobody is perfect, it's a trial and error experience.
So, let's find out what works and what's not, yes....even if that is a lifetime search i have given up many times on roulette, but I'm stubborn
I like roulette because it's almost impossible, that's why i like the challenge ;)
whatever tests u make roulette can still fool u. If u did not learn that, i am afraid u did not learn enough about roulette. That happens on gambling forums from time to time -- someone will come claiming he got a holy grail showing his stunning results. And then after a while he just gets lot. Real life roulette destroys all his efforts.
That's how it is.
i don't mean by that that it's impossible to win in roulette, it's possible. But looking for holy grail is a wrong approach. There is no holy grail out there. But there are cases of long periods of winning streaks. Sometimes even millions.
But don't fool yourself. It's impossible to reach consistent results like that.
The very nature of roulette is that whatever was winning right now may lose any time. And whatever was losing may win anytime too.
and yes, i do believe you can defeat roulette with low BR. on short runs, that's it.
Dixi.
I don't wanna talk about it anymore if u don't mind. Fed up saying those things over and over again.
thanx for understanding.
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 08, 01:50 PM 2013
I don't know are you kidding or you just don't follow my idea.. We test the system on bilion spins.. If you play 1000 spins everyday, it would took you about 3000 years.. yeah, no day, no year, but 3000 years, if it succed after bilion spins ( 3000 years ), then I would test it on 10 bilion spins ( you guess, 30000 years ).. You get it now? You can't beat roulette with low BR, that's gambling, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.. If you want to go pro, get a HUGE BR, and that's the whole phylosophy..
HOLY GRAIL lets us take this word and burn it ,even money is the best you will do in roulette.you break even or some comps and drinks.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 08, 03:45 PM 2013
HOLY GRAIL lets us take this word and burn it ,even money is the best you will do in roulette.you break even or some comps and drinks.
Take this how you want, Warrior....
To hear YOU saying that must mean you arn't doing so well...and I find it a tad demoralising
You need to get up off your arse....get motivated and start filling the site with your great ideas again.
Holy grail is not the bet that will never lose, it's about progression that will not go beyond max amount of chips we can afford.. Keep that in mind in looking for it :)
Progression most likely won't help u. It's accuracy of prediction which matters. Progression will finally let u down...You will finally see it. Hopefully u won't see it hard way.
link:://:2.math.umd.edu/~ccremins/STAT100/Photos/Gaussian_distribution.png
Look at the Gaussian distribution graph and try to understand why progression don't usually work. There gonna be sooner or later time when your progression will leave u broke. That's history of roulette.
I don't want to make your predictions wrong.. but if we test some progression over 30.000 years of everyday playing, and the max DD in that progression was 90.000 units, and we have bankroll of 100.000 units, what can kill me then? Just conversation..
OK you are a free man to do what u like to. I only can wash my hands on this. Good luck in finding your HG...
Of course I dont ask you for the permission to play, just ask you what is wrong in my latest post..
Quote from: Turner on Sep 08, 03:58 PM 2013
Take this how you want, Warrior....
To hear YOU saying that must mean you arn't doing so well...and I find it a tad demoralising
You need to get up off your arse....get motivated and start filling the site with your great ideas again.
On the contrary just in Vegas did great ,but we need to stop talking about holy grail ,there is none there is only betting in the moment win or lose that's it.but I will keep working on great bets .
Quote from: warrior on Sep 09, 09:17 AM 2013
On the contrary just in Vegas did great ,but we need to stop talking about holy grail ,there is none there is only betting in the moment win or lose that's it.but I will keep working on great bets .
TFFT!
When the generous post sharers start giving up...its bad news.
Keep sharing mate....cant be doing with the " could tell ya but I'd have to kill ya" crew.
everything is wrong. Your approach is wrong. What you wanna do, thousands of people tried before. Including me by the way. When i did not understand what i was doing. It's doomed. When something does not hit it may not hit for long long time. You will finally lose all your money. That's how roulette is my friend. "Due" theory is wrong...
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 09, 06:19 AM 2013
Of course I don't ask you for the permission to play, just ask you what is wrong in my latest post..
So, that is clear now iggiv progression won't work. Good
Flatbetting then. What do we need to figure out:
(1) How many numbers works flatbetting (for me this is 15 numbers or less)
(2) Betselection (hotnumbers is my choice)
yes? Am I anywhere close? ;D
yes, sure.
what you have to do is this
1) not to look for any holy grail b/s. they don't exist. forget about them. consider roulette unbeatable on a long run and don't even try to beat it on a long run testing thousands of spins
2) watch the behaviour of roulette, wheel, numbers on it, ball etc.
3) work with thousands of spins, analyze them, but don't try to bet on each of them!!! for God's sake
4) look where PROBABLY roulette can give u some trends, some temp patterns. Temporary! Not consistent.
5) place your bets for a few spins and get the hell out of there! Don't get involved in longer game. If u see u r losing, that's it, don't try to win it back, you will likely lose more. If u win some, don't be greedy, leave the wheel.
don't try to eat the cake which is too big for your mouth.
6) If you come back one time after lets say 20 spins you may still try your luck and repeat the procedure. But then leave for much longer time. Maybe for 100 spins or so. Don't try to push your luck every hundred spins or every 50 spins. It's gonna be like a long run forming already which is not good. Your game is like attacking SOMETIMES but not periodically.
7) let the time go after. Don't rush into the casino back again too soon thinking you caught your luck. It may be a day or two or a week if your win was good enough. Don't be too greedy.
Thanks, but that doesn't make much sense to me... still, what makes sense is how many numbers is bet,.... according to Mr.J no more than 4 numbers should be bet. I'm too lazy for betting 4 numbers or less, i rather bet 5-15 numbers...but then, im still trying to understand Mr.J's philosophy and his flatbetting methods
Iggiv...wise words
and....this way you describe....if you get no luck at all....you dont fair so bad...and you still have the shirt on your back
i think you can win or lose with different numbers of bets. Be it 5 or 35. You gotta work out what better works for you. consider also betting different numbers of bets. More variable your patterns of betting are -- more likely you win. And when you look at your betting --summary, you gotta cover all the wheel with your bets. If u bet some numbers more than the other consistently, roulette will start "working against u", you will see it.
also change your patterns. Include other numbers into your patterns. For example if you always bet only hot numbers...after a while u will see cold numbers waking up frequently. Roulette behaves as if it feels your weak spots.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 09, 05:07 PM 2013
Thanks, but that doesn't make much sense to me... still, what makes sense is how many numbers is bet,.... according to Mr.J no more than 4 numbers should be bet. I'm too lazy for betting 4 numbers or less, i rather bet 5-15 numbers...but then, I'm still trying to understand Mr.J's philosophy and his flatbetting methods
Doing things correctly can be boring Ignatus. Thats why it makes no sense to you.
This 30 metre wall is too big to climb. I will try and smash it down with a hammer. That didnt work...Ill get a bigger hammer. That didnt work either.
"Try the stairs 1km metres away, it takes you to the top of the wall"
....naww...too much trouble....pass me that hammer again.
I agree now, reading your post again iggiv: Greed is the greatest enemy. A wingoal and stoploss must be used.
For the more experienced players it can be established exactly how many numbers works flatbetting. This im very curious to find out, really. im thinking 4-5 numbers? i've flatbetted 15 numbers with success. Still im confused about this, seems to be a "great secret" but it should not be? By statistics one can find out? Nobody will let you know, so why not try to focus our attention on this issue so we might get anywhere?
About patterns this gave me several new ideas
anything with roulette
your biggest enemy is yourself
and that applies to all of us
control and patience
that is what is required...
Quote from: D1 on Sep 09, 05:34 PM 2013
anything with roulette
your biggest enemy is yourself
and that applies to all of us
control and patience
that is what is required...
Agreed....ive done tremenously well recently....and i havnt bet one unit....because the time doesnt feel right and i dont feel my current ideas are correct.
That makes me feel good and in control
Perhaps too much study...but I"d rather lose on RX than for real any day.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 09, 05:25 PM 2013
I agree now, reading your post again iggiv: Greed is the greatest enemy. A wingoal and stoploss must be used.
I'm thinking 4-5 numbers?
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i use 6....decent strike rate and not soo "boring",
vundarosa
There are more wise words in this thread than all the others combined! :)
It pays to listen to the guys that have been in the trenches.
People like Mr J, Iggiv, Bombus and myself have spent a lifetime between us breaking the game apart and putting it back together again. Speaking for myself, I am 100% certain that there is no HG. It all comes down to how the player reacts to what's happening in front of him.
Here would be my tips.
Forget negative progressions.
Concentrate on between 1-3 numbers.
Keep games short. You need to be evaluating ALL the time.
Nothing wrong with gradually increasing your stakes during a purple patch. The opposite is true in a bad patch.
NEVER take your credit cards or excess money to the casino with you! :-X
That's about it!
I think becoming a perfect loser takes as much hard work throughout the years as does becoming a consistent winner. What I am saying is that we do actually have a choice.
cheers
I cannot play with less than 9 numbers that's it. The wheel is 37 numbers. How in hell can you predict that the ball will land on 1-3 numbers? Pure nonsense, and yet the "professional players" go with 1-3 numbers. Doesn't make any sense at all. I can't figure that
You know something else? Why do live casinos have a short time limit for each bet?
So you can't place so many numbers............go figure
9-15 numbers that the grail for me. Say what you will
Ignatus,
Many players will agree with you about the 9-15 number range, or thereabouts.
My preferred inside number systems involve betting around 9 numbers, or involve starting with less numbers and building to about 15-16 numbers.
Single streets (3 numbers) are good but need hefty progressions, which can break your heart.
16 numbers is solid and benefits from being able to use splits, which lessens bet placement time.
My advice is if you are committed to betting inside then study the 9-16 number range thoroughly as you will learn a lot.
If you start getting up to 15-16 numbers then you might as well go the extra few numbers and study the EC's. You won’t find a quicker way to bet on 18 numbers and the odds are all the same anyway.
The EC’s are the casket that houses the Holy Grail.
Thanks Skakus. Yes, i agree with you
Crazy idea I'd like to submit.
How about a few of us guys pool our gambling funds together until we have say $1000 (I don't know the bankroll situation) and agree on a system that is solid and use TeamViewer--or send a trustworthy guy (ex. Iggiv) to Dublinbet and he plays the system the group agreed upon--and share in the wins/losses.
(If office pools can work for the lottery guys why not here?)
A) Bet selection and for what REASON am I (we) choosing our numbers?
B) The most important reason (imo) for choosing only a couple numbers....... Peaks & Valleys during your play. I have found over the years that there is PLENTY of room for a "come back" (call it what you will) when you are down. Playing only a couple numbers gives you that opportunity.
I have seen this lots of times from other players >>> they play 20 numbers every spin. At first they are doing ok. But wait.....they get on a bad streak and lose 12 of the next 17 spins. They are now in some deep s**t, they have to CLIMB back out. There is little wiggle room until their BR runs out. With only a couple numbers played, you'll have the time AND the BR (at least you should have) to climb back out. Keep in mind guys, this is my viewpoint.
Ken
i don't want to be responsible for other people's money, sorry.
Skakus....sounds like what I'm messing with right now. Track last 6. If 5,7 shows...play 5,6,7....or 22,22....
play21,22,23, or 35,36 shows play 34,35,36....or 35, 36, 0...depends if 4 has shown or 31 or similar.
Take off when any that qualified during the last 6 when they fall off.
Bet selection can be 3u...3u....3u...6u...3u...6 u..9u...6 u...6 u....3 u...3u...0u...0u..3u....
These babies can hit.
Double your bet if you double your win goal
Random numbers definately jump back to the same place...for certain....as you put it...hot numbers pull others along with them.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 09, 08:07 PM 2013
I cannot play with less than 9 numbers that's it. The wheel is 37 numbers. How in hell can you predict that the ball will land on 1-3 numbers? Pure nonsense, and yet the "professional players" go with 1-3 numbers. Doesn't make any sense at all. I can't figure that
You know something else? Why do live casinos have a short time limit for each bet?
So you can't place so many numbers............go figure
--It seems you aren't figuring it/probably cause you never tried /in 1 min.a pro player can place,
and play several methods consequently at the same time...let alone on the full table, when sometimes takes
a dealer few min.to place all bettors chips.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 09, 04:56 PM 2013
yes, sure.
what you have to do is this
1) not to look for any holy grail b/s. they don't exist. forget about them. consider roulette unbeatable on a long run and don't even try to beat it on a long run testing thousands of spins
2) watch the behaviour of roulette, wheel, numbers on it, ball etc.
3) work with thousands of spins, analyze them, but don't try to bet on each of them!!! for God's sake
4) look where PROBABLY roulette can give u some trends, some temp patterns. Temporary! Not consistent.
5) place your bets for a few spins and get the hell out of there! Don't get involved in longer game. If u see u r losing, that's it, don't try to win it back, you will likely lose more. If u win some, don't be greedy, leave the wheel.
don't try to eat the cake which is too big for your mouth.
6) If you come back one time after lets say 20 spins you may still try your luck and repeat the procedure. But then leave for much longer time. Maybe for 100 spins or so. Don't try to push your luck every hundred spins or every 50 spins. It's gonna be like a long run forming already which is not good. Your game is like attacking SOMETIMES but not periodically.
7) let the time go after. Don't rush into the casino back again too soon thinking you caught your luck. It may be a day or two or a week if your win was good enough. Don't be too greedy.
If you are not winning in the long run, don't tell it's imbossible.. People who say it can't be done, should not disturb those who are doing it.
should not disturb those who are doing it.
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Doing what??????Having and playing HG?????----------There is not such thing
I wrote "winning in the long run", not playing "holy grail"..
I knew I left something out......another good reason >> Lets say you have a dealer who thinks he/she is slick and wants to get the ball spun fast, to upset you or slow down your wins, throw your method off, whatever the case may be. When betting only a few numbers, lets see them pull their bulls**t then.
They can't and they know it. They now have to play YOUR game, you are no longer playing THEIR game.
Ken
you start to be rude, buddy. Don't forget you are new here. Please learn to tolerate other people opinions. don't try to shut up someone who gives u another opinion. And if i see that u keep doing it i will react stronger than just giving u this almost friendly reminder.
That's why i don't like to give here info too much. You try to help and people are just being rude in return.
what u r trying to do now brought many people to being broke and even committing suicide after. Well, good luck with your long run winning by using progression.
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 10, 08:04 AM 2013
If you are not winning in the long run, don't tell it's imbossible.. People who say it can't be done, should not disturb those who are doing it.
Quote from: teo on Sep 10, 01:07 PM 2013
Doing what??????Having and playing holy grail?????----------There is not such thing
the problem is
1) What is a "Holy Grail"? (in roulette terms)
2) Could it be used by anyone or only by "selected" (I didn´t want to say by intelligent and not intelligent)
3) Has it to be simple or could it be hard to understand and harder to learn?
4) Should it be some kind of a perpetual (create itself from itself) or should there also be personal Intelligence influenced?
5) Would you see that there is a Holy Grail, when there is one in front of you?
All the people who are asking for having it presented for free, with no work or learning or engagement or own money to play, will never find a holy grail, perhaps the Martingale.
There is HG, but nobody sees it. Because they are looking for something that relates to their fantasy and brings them wealth with no work. It´s more simple than you can imagine.
br
winkel
I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 loosing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never loose :)
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 09:53 AM 2013
I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 losing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never lose :)
you forgot table limit
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 09:53 AM 2013
I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 losing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never lose :)
YOUR APPROACH IS WRONG. Your strategy is to test for x number of losses and a progression that can handle x number of losses - that kind of strategy for testing can help only if you are able to design a progression that can get you in + anytime you get a win. only way that can happen is a martingale type of strategy and you should know how tough it can get after a few losses. the right approach for a progression â€" we need to know we want to be in + after x number of spins/we have to test all possible LW permutations and combinations within those x number of spins with that progression/x number of spins can be guided by the number of times a selected bet selection can fail as you suggested. see the example of an ec/ec can sleep for 22 spins/the possible lw combinations for 22 spins is 4,194,304. To test this much combinations you need 92,274,688 spins. It is under 1bn, but your spin sequence has to cover all these number of spins â€" mind this is just ec and imagine how complex it can get for dozens and so on. DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE AND YOU CAN TEST THIS WAY â€" this is the only way to give you the holy grail using your approach of progression and there is no other way. the other approach is forget progression/accept you cannot beat house edge on long run and proceed as professor winkel is suggesting â€" you don’t need to test billions of combinations. Combine a 2-3 ways of playing â€" avoid using a static method â€" and take the game head on short runs â€" you have your grail which will win long term.
Quote from: biagle on Sep 11, 10:32 AM 2013
you forgot table limit
well, on BV the table limit is pretty high, and there are some "no table limit" real wheels, in las vegas casinos for example..
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 12:12 PM 2013
well, on BV the table limit is pretty high, and there are some "no table limit" real wheels, in las vegas casinos for example..
Would you be kind enough to post some links for these LV casino's with the "no table limit" please :thumbsup:
O0
You have google, search for yourself.. But as long as I remember, Unibet has $/â,¬200.000 table limit..
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 01:49 PM 2013
You have google, search for yourself.. But as long as I remember, Unibet has $/â,¬200.000 table limit..
I did that to start with & found NOTHING hence my question......
Re : Unibet, that's not a LV B&M casino
I look forward to those links, I mean your not just making it up are you.....
O0
Roulette is a specific game in which you hold yourself opponent.
Actually it is the live table, but online.. I am not sure of names of the casinos with no table limit, but I am pretty sure they exist..
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 02:07 PM 2013
I am not sure of names of the casinos with no table limit, but I am pretty sure they exist..
So why on earth say that there are ?
I have no doubt you meant nothing by it, but not being able to back up comments like that is going to lead to people here dismissing what you post.
O0
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 02:07 PM 2013
Actually it is the live table, but online.. I am not sure of names of the casinos with no table limit, but I am pretty sure they exist..
It doesn't.......as we all would be a winners then......but there are some B&M casinos with such table...but again not real unlimited but sort of arrangement with the manegement about the highest limit.......real no limit table don't exist enywhere...been there and know it....simple logic
should tell you this.......
Quote from: teo on Sep 11, 03:25 PM 2013
It doesn't.......as we all would be a winners then......but there are some B&M casinos with such table...but again not real unlimited but sort of arrangement with the manegement about the highest limit.......real no limit table don't exist enywhere...been there and know it....simple logic
should tell you this.......
thank you Teo :thumbsup:
O0
I saw it in some documentary movie, but i cant remember the name of it, they mention the name of that casino..anyway, they are still casinos with very high table limits..
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 03:52 PM 2013
I saw it in some documentary movie, but i can't remember the name of it, they mention the name of that casino..anyway, they are still casinos with very high table limits..
--Expect that chosen can only play there.....other casino players can't even
enter the room with such table.....they must know you well....and your pocket also.
Quote from: teo on Sep 11, 04:08 PM 2013
--Expect that chosen can only play there.....other casino players can't even
enter the room with such table.....they must know you well....and your pocket also.
So basically just for whales that lose right ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 11, 04:27 PM 2013
So basically just for whales that lose right ?
O0
--O not really.......We did a boom at Wien casino few months back,
but most lose as anywhere else.There are some pro I know that constantly
come on top.Casino don't pay them but the other losers....thats why casino
can't lose on the long run.
Quote from: boshkodj on Sep 11, 09:53 AM 2013
I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 losing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never lose :)
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problem is, your base unit value would be so small compared to your BR....i for one don't want to spend hrs attempting to win $0.01 when i have a BR of $10 000 on BV....a bot, maybe....not possible in live casino for sure.
vundarosa
at the end of the day this all will not make any sense. Thousands of people tried this and very few lucky did not lose their shirt and won some. In the beginning u may win some, but at the end u will always be broke. This approach is NOT WORKING in real life. If it was casinos would not exist by now. More than anybody else they love progression players. They know too well how the final game will look. At the end progression player will get comps and friendly pat on the shoulder from the pit boss. But not much more than this. Casino will gladly help him to part with all his money.
That's how it usually looks. The guy plays progression and wins some. Then wins some more. Then some more.
This will last for some period of time till he is so sure he rides the "holy grail horse". All money that he won he will bring to play with and some more. He may even borrow some. So sure he is. He won't be happy with those small winnings, he will want some more. And one day the progression will eat it all. And he will eat free lunch at the casino buffet. But i doubt he will enjoy it very much at that very moment.
Quote from: teo on Sep 11, 04:56 PM 2013
--O not really.......We did a boom at Wien casino few months back,
but most lose as anywhere else.There are some pro I know that constantly
come on top.Casino don't pay them but the other losers....that's why casino
can't lose on the long run.
@ Teo
You have stated in the past that you play with professionals so this question may sound a little weird.....
do they ever lose on purpose ?
O0
I never lose on purpose....but I can come to the same casino 3 nights in the row without
topping a chip.....does this tell you something...there are trillions things one can observe
there if watching closely.
Quote from: teo on Sep 12, 06:09 AM 2013
I never lose on purpose....but I can come to the same casino 3 nights in the row without
topping a chip.....does this tell you something...there are trillions things one can observe
there if watching closely.
Thanks for your reply Teo :thumbsup:
I have to ask, what does "topping a chip" mean pls ? Is it betting a chip ?
Thank you.
O0
And he will eat free lunch at the casino buffet.
[/quote]
My dear Iggiv,
Hardly you can get free food anywhere any more/earlier yes/.....thousands Asian guys arround,
they would simply come every day/few play,many pretending playing slots/and they just had a good meal every working day.
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 12, 10:06 AM 2013
Thanks for your reply Teo :thumbsup:
I have to ask, what does "topping a chip" mean please ? Is it betting a chip ?
Thank you.
O0
Yes
An even money bet is your greatest advantage to winning at roulette,with enprison or getting half on the zero , its the most basic of all bets but the safest way of not losing your money,if you can figure out the movement of the even money you can make a good profit on a daily basis,me included I used to jump from system to system,but I stopped doing that ,and really focused on the basics and I always come out ahead ,flat betting is the best you will do ,all progression are doomed the more complicated one where I m doing all this maths is even worst,so to all beginners and intermediates ,don't waste your time ,find a bet ,tip ,on even money and you will always beat this game ,forget betting inside looks great the 35 /1 payout but there is a great price you pay for that ,more people have gone broke doing this then any other bet on the felt,and forget the long run as you will see in this forum the term being used most of the time,long run equals loss, the longer you play the more you lose.your testing should be no more then a 1500 placed bets that's 5000 spins ,you know how long that takes in a real casino ,a very long time,you will play 100 spins that takes 3 hrs. On a busy night ,the bigger your base bet the more money you will make,with a bet that wins flat bet ,but there is one progression I like with my tweak that keeps very close to flat and that's priayankas idea life long progression ,but I don't need it for my bet wins just flat,so why I write all this because the more complicated you make your bets the worst it is ,keep it really basic and you will come out ahead,and stop all the hedging of bets it's silly and won't work all bets are created equal the payout is the same.happy hunting for that EVEN MONEY BET.Warrior.
Good post Warrior.
Just before he departed, GreatGrampa/Priyanka (yes, they were one and the same)
told me via a PM that the True Holly G is contained in that "Lifetime Progression" of his....
there is something about it for sure.
Nice post tho as I say.
Well done.
I hope lots of guests and newbies get to read it first!
Should be a Stick admin.! :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Sep 14, 09:11 AM 2013
An even money bet is your greatest advantage to winning at roulette,with enprison or getting half on the zero , its the most basic of all bets but the safest way of not losing your money,if you can figure out the movement of the even money you can make a good profit on a daily basis,me included I used to jump from system to system,but I stopped doing that ,and really focused on the basics and I always come out ahead ,flat betting is the best you will do ,all progression are doomed the more complicated one where I m doing all this maths is even worst,so to all beginners and intermediates ,don't waste your time ,find a bet ,tip ,on even money and you will always beat this game ,forget betting inside looks great the 35 /1 payout but there is a great price you pay for that ,more people have gone broke doing this then any other bet on the felt,and forget the long run as you will see in this forum the term being used most of the time,long run equals loss, the longer you play the more you lose.your testing should be no more then a 1500 placed bets that's 5000 spins ,you know how long that takes in a real casino ,a very long time,you will play 100 spins that takes 3 hrs. On a busy night ,the bigger your base bet the more money you will make,with a bet that wins flat bet ,but there is one progression I like with my tweak that keeps very close to flat and that's priayankas idea life long progression ,but I don't need it for my bet wins just flat,so why I write all this because the more complicated you make your bets the worst it is ,keep it really basic and you will come out ahead,and stop all the hedging of bets it's silly and won't work all bets are created equal the payout is the same.happy hunting for that EVEN MONEY BET.Warrior.
--It is about time somebody agree with me,especially EP and LP rules...I know you will say
what about all the progress methods I post........those are only ideas for those hungry of holy grail......I never ever said or claim it is a holy grail.....but could be a long run winner...if you find a patience.Yes Warrior it is the only way.The only problem is that I must go to Slovenia or Austria to play such tables....
I totally agree with u Warrior, Chrisbis and Teo ECs bets are the best. In additon to Priyanka's life long progression the only progression that
gives me good results as well is Bread winner's progression, it is very similar to Life long progression.
Link to the "LifeTime Progression" Topic:-
link:://betselection.cc/negative/lifetime-progression/msg19254/#msg19254
Quote from: warrior on Sep 14, 09:11 AM 2013
An even money bet is your greatest advantage to winning at roulette,with enprison or getting half on the zero , its the most basic of all bets but the safest way of not losing your money,if you can figure out the movement of the even money you can make a good profit on a daily basis,me included I used to jump from system to system,but I stopped doing that ,and really focused on the basics and I always come out ahead ,flat betting is the best you will do ,all progression are doomed the more complicated one where I m doing all this maths is even worst,so to all beginners and intermediates ,don't waste your time ,find a bet ,tip ,on even money and you will always beat this game ,forget betting inside looks great the 35 /1 payout but there is a great price you pay for that ,more people have gone broke doing this then any other bet on the felt,and forget the long run as you will see in this forum the term being used most of the time,long run equals loss, the longer you play the more you lose.your testing should be no more then a 1500 placed bets that's 5000 spins ,you know how long that takes in a real casino ,a very long time,you will play 100 spins that takes 3 hrs. On a busy night ,the bigger your base bet the more money you will make,with a bet that wins flat bet ,but there is one progression I like with my tweak that keeps very close to flat and that's priayankas idea life long progression ,but I don't need it for my bet wins just flat,so why I write all this because the more complicated you make your bets the worst it is ,keep it really basic and you will come out ahead,and stop all the hedging of bets it's silly and won't work all bets are created equal the payout is the same.happy hunting for that EVEN MONEY BET.Warrior.
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full agreement on ec flat bet subject...i would add, if one is looking to build a BR, one should find a flat bet method and attempt to win half of section BR...i know many say 10-20% is safe but if flat betting, 50% should be possible.
One issue that makes us losers in the long run is the win goal/ stop loss ratio. Some win goals are too low in comparison to the stop loss...so one might win for 30+ games and lose two, and this two losses would put one in the hole. If win target is 5u and stop loss 10u, losses, even if more frequent will be minor set backs if one has a flat bet method with low win ratio of say 7/3...
vundarosa
I talked to Pryanka/grandpa behind the scenes ? Agreement was in the groups for long play , but I would rise it in way slower method! So there was agreement in the deal:)
I must admiit...ive not looked at an inside bet idea for a while now. Ive even turned lines into ecs to bet them. Im fascinated with looking at dozens and columns as ec' s right now. still tinkering with that idea but it seems viable.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 02, 09:10 AM 2013
I must admiit...I've not looked at an inside bet idea for a while now. I've even turned lines into ecs to bet them. I'm fascinated with looking at dozens and columns as ec' s right now. still tinkering with that idea but it seems viable.
Hi Turner,
Same here. I now am beginning to think I've found a consistent winning bet; one that I can play quite easily. It was staring me in the face all this time - but I really think could be the answer.
Atlantis.
Hey guys how about betting the last number and a neighbor on each side each spin?
Look at this:
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Wednesday, October 2, 2013 @ 4:40pm CDT USA
...34 (newest spin-value)-trigger
Bet 15,34,22: 1.) 34(win)+165
Bet 15,34,22: 2.) 35(x)-15
Bet 14,35,23: 3.) 32(x)-15
Bet 17,32,20: 4.) 20(win)+165
Bet 32,20,17: 5.) 13(x)-15
Bet 1,13,36: 6.) 27(x)-15
Bet 00,27,10: 7.) 26(x)-15
Bet 9,26,30: 8.) 6(x)-15
Bet 21,6,18: 9.) 5(x)-15
Bet 22,5,17: 10.) 9(x)-15
Bet 26,9,28: 11.) 36(x)-15
Bet 13,36,24: 12.) 26(x)-15
Bet 30,26,9: 13.) 35(x)-15
Bet 14,35,23: 14.) 24(x)-15
Bet 36,24,3: 15.) 36(win)+165
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+315
Hi Proof,
I also noticed if we just back the DOZENS that the number and the 2 neighbours fall in (except where 3 doz are indicated in which case a no bet) you get this:
last number = 34
Bet 15,34,22: 1.) 34(win) +1
Bet 15,34,22: 2.) 35(win) +1
Bet 14,35,23: 3.) 32(win) +1
Bet 17,32,20: 4.) 20(win) +1
Bet 32,20,17: 5.) 13(win) +1
Bet 1,13,36: 6.) 27(no bet)
Bet 00,27,10: 7.) 26(win) +1
Bet 9,26,30: 8.) 6(win) +1
Bet 21,6,18: 9.) 5(win) +1
Bet 22,5,17: 10.) 9(win) +1
Bet 26,9,28: 11.) 36(win) +1
Bet 13,36,24: 12.) 26(win) +1
Bet 30,26,9: 13.) 35(win) +1
Bet 14,35,23: 14.) 24(win) +1
Bet 36,24,3: 15.) 36(no bet)
+13
:)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 03, 04:04 AM 2013
Hi Proof,
I also noticed if we just back the DOZENS that the number and the 2 neighbours fall in (except where 3 doz are indicated in which case a no bet) you get this:
last number = 34
Bet 15,34,22: 1.) 34(win) +1
Bet 15,34,22: 2.) 35(win) +1
Hi!
I have tryed this using ds
like this
nr 16 hits play ds 3,4 and 6
nr 15 hits play ds 3 and 5
Good hitrate so far.
agesta
Bet 14,35,23: 3.) 32(win) +1
Bet 17,32,20: 4.) 20(win) +1
Bet 32,20,17: 5.) 13(win) +1
Bet 1,13,36: 6.) 27(no bet)
Bet 00,27,10: 7.) 26(win) +1
Bet 9,26,30: 8.) 6(win) +1
Bet 21,6,18: 9.) 5(win) +1
Bet 22,5,17: 10.) 9(win) +1
Bet 26,9,28: 11.) 36(win) +1
Bet 13,36,24: 12.) 26(win) +1
Bet 30,26,9: 13.) 35(win) +1
Bet 14,35,23: 14.) 24(win) +1
Bet 36,24,3: 15.) 36(no bet)
+13
:)
A.
This is right sorry Atlantis for that!!
Hi!
I have tryed this using ds
like this
nr 16 hits play ds 3,4 and 6
nr 15 hits play ds 3 and 5
Good hitrate so far.
agesta
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 03, 04:04 AM 2013
Hi Proof,
I also noticed if we just back the DOZENS that the number and the 2 neighbours fall in (except where 3 doz are indicated in which case a no bet) you get this:
Coincidence
Hi RouletteMaster,
Yes I agree. As I soon found out - T'was just coincidence! :) :)
A.
Hi Turner and Warrior,
This was my idea which I set out below:
An EC + column variant for single 0 and based on the arrangement of the Roulette colours on the table.
When you look at the table layout you will notice that:
The 1st Column has an equal number of Red and Black numbers, but the 2nd Column has 4 Red and 8 Black, while the 3rd Column has 4 Black and 8 Red numbers.
This is the basis of this level stake flat betting system.
Patience and tolerance are necessary.
What to bet
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There are 2 bets involved.
The first bet is 1unit on RED or BLACK even chance
The second bet is 1unit on the 2nd or 3rd COLUMN. (2/1 chance)
When you bet Red then you must also bet an equal amount on the 2nd Column.
When you bet Black then you must also bet an equal amount on the 3rd Column.
Note:
Whether you bet Red and the 2nd Column or Black and the 3rd Column, you are covering 18 plus 8 for a total of 26 numbers out of 37 at the cost of only two units. That's covering 18 of a colour plus 8 of the other color and doubling up the coverage on 4.
When only the correct colour comes up, the bet returns even money so you get the spin for free. When only the column hits you make one unit profit. When the colour and the column both hit then you make three units profit.
When to bet
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Selections are decided by the DOMINATING COLOUR out of the LAST THREE results.
The ZERO is ignored. Only use the results before the 0.
If red is the predominating colour then the bet to be made is 1u on RED + 1u on 2nd COLUMN.
If black is the predominating colour then the bet to be made is 1u on BLACK + 1u on 3rd COLUMN.
Simples. (Tsch!)
Target Aim
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You can end a playing session ANY TIME. I suggest a modest profit target balance of +3 or more - which means of course, you have WON!
[reveal=REAL SESSION EXAMPLE]
REAL MONEY SESSION (at SLC)
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28b bal. +/-
3r
19r last 3 bet r+c2
23r w+3 bet r+c2 +3 - target
12r w+0 bet r+c2
36r w+0 bet r+c2
23r w+3 bet r+c2 +6 - target
34r w+0 bet r+c2
1r w+0 bet r+c2
11b w+1 bet r+c2 +7
13b L-2 bet b+c3 +5
10b w+0 bet b+c3
3r w+1 bet b+c3 +6
2b w+0 bet b+c3
20b w+0 bet b+c3
13b w+0 bet b+c3
23r L-2 bet b+c3 +4
0G L-2 bet b+c3 +2
24b w+3 bet b+c3 +5
26b w+0 bet b+c3
5r L-2 bet b+c3 +3
22b w+0 bet b+c3
22b w+0 bet b+c3
18r w+1 bet b+c3 +4
15b w+3 bet b+c3 +7
35b w+0 bet b+c3
20b w+0 bet b+c3
23r L-2 bet b+c3 +5
29b w+0 bet b+c3
32r L-2 bet r+c2 +3
36r w+0 bet r+c2
3r w+0 bet r+c2
9r w+0 bet r+c2
27r w+0 bet r+c2
21r w+0 bet r+c2
3r w+0 bet r+c2
4b L-2 bet r+c2 +1
5r w+3 bet r+c2 +4
27r w+0 bet r+c2
9r w+0 bet r+c2
3r w+0 bet r+c2
15b L-2 bet r+c2 +2
30r w+0 bet r+c2
22b L-2 bet b+c3 +0
15b w+3 bet b+c3 +3
29b w+0 bet b+c3
24b w+3 bet b+c3 +6
5r L-2 bet b+c3 +4
0G L-2 bet b+c3 +2
14r L-2 bet r+c2 +0
26b w+1 bet r+c2 +1
23r w+2 bet r+c2 +3
31b L-2 bet b+c3 +1
33b w+3 bet b+c3 +4
4b w+0 bet b+c3
14r L-2 bet b+c3 +2
8b w+0 bet b+c3
9r w+1 bet r+c2 +3
8b w+1 bet b+c3 +4
17b w+0 bet b+c3
0G L-2 bet b+c3 +2
28b w+0 bet b+c3
34r L-2 bet b+c3 +0
20b w+0 bet b+c3
31b w+0 bet b+c3
32r L-2 bet b+c3 -2
0G L-2 bet b+c3 -4
30r w+1 bet r+c2 -3
13b L-2 bet r+c2 -5
23r w+3 bet r+c2 -2
6b L-2 bet b+c3 -4
31b w+0 bet b+c3
29b w+0 bet b+c3
32r L-2 bet b+c3 -6
24b w+3 bet b+c3 -3
9r w+1 bet r+c2 -2
12r w+0 bet r+c2
32r w+3 bet r+c2 +1
8b w+1 bet r+c2 +2
33b L-2 bet b+c3 +0
30r w+1 bet b+c3 +1
28b w+0 bet b+c3
12r w+1 bet r+c2 +2
24b L-2 bet b+c3 +0
35b w+0 bet b+c3
3r w+1 bet b+c3 +1
36r w+1 bet r+c2 +2
20b w+1 bet r+c2 +3
STOPPED HERE FOR REFRESHMENT
[/reveal]
This approach should keep you nicely in the game for some time; hopefully long enough to make a small profit. The risks are not too high especially if you elect to play as I do with small stakes...
I thought about a mild progression on both bets using maybe CYCLIC increases on deficit, maybe some members have got a good idea on this that would be useful? For now though I am being cautious and sticking with flatbetting only...
Ok. There's nothing really new here, I just added the colour dominator thing, but it's nice the drawdowns were not a very significant problem at all. Food for thought?
Also please bear in mind that the unwelcome ZERO "stole away" 8 plus points from the 3rd game target balance too!!
So a No-Zero table is an option warranting serious consideration to guard against the thieving green goblin which has and will occur. It certainly made its mark in this session. :(
Maybe someone could try BVnz on that?
Best regards,
Atlantis.
Thanks Atlantis I will give this try with my red and black strategies that has great results flat betting .
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 04, 01:50 PM 2013
Hi Turner and Warrior,
This was my idea which I set out below:
Just as promised....thanks.
You are clearly in the share camp.
BTW....i spent a week or so playing with the fact of the red/black dominance in Col B and C and didnt come up with this lol
came up with plenty of other things that didnt work :yawn:
I would play like this.
Aim is 15 Euro from 3 tables
This is real play Dublinbet 5 Euro
table 1 B + Col C WIN 15 Euro....get out
table 2 B + Col C WIN 5 Euro....get out
table 3 R + Col B push, R + col B WIN 5 Euro
35 Euro. That's the day done for me.
Aim is 15 Euro from 3 tables ....so 35 will do nicely. If I struggle tomorrow I will play for 10 Euro because of tonight's win
120 Euros BR, 30 Euro stop loss,
Atlantis
You might know I'd have a question!!
What was the refreshment??
Sam
Atlantis, thanks for sharing wil give it a try.
Here's a tentative suggestion, fellas. Tentative, because it's just another bet method, not necessarily a better one. But, I like it.
If both locations lose, we lose 3 units, so increase our bets by +1 on both locations.
If the even chance wins and the column loses, we are even, so keep bets the same.
If the column wins and the e.c. loses, we win +1 unit. Let's keep our bets the same here also.
If the e.c. and the column wins, we win +3 units, so decrease our bets by -1.
Anytime we get to our previous high bank or higher, we reset to 1 on both locations.
This is still a losing bet in the long run because of the following:
We have 14 numbers that are Red but not in the 2nd column which results in neither a win nor a loss.
We have 4 numbers that are Red and in the 2nd column which results in a total of +12 units overall.
We have 8 numbers that are not Red but in the 2nd column which results in a total of +8 units overall.
We have 10 numbers that are Black but not in the 2nd column which results in a total of -20 units overall.
We have a zero that results in a total of -2 units overall.
So, if each number from 0 thru 36 hits exactly 1 time in sequence we would break even on 14 of them.
We would win +12 units on 4 of them and +8 units on 8 of them for +20 units.
We would lose -22 units on 11 of them. (Don't forget the zero is a -2 loss)
This gives the house a 2 unit advantage in 37 spins.
Don't be discouraged. All systems, when analyzed this way, give the house a 2 unit advantage in 37 spins unless you're playing a non-zero wheel. If you're playing a double zero wheel the house would have a 4 unit advantage in 38 spins.
This is why we must find a way to win more on our wins than we lose on our losses. Because we
will be losing more bets than we win.
This is a fact my friends.
It's why we're all in this forum.
To discover how to win more units on our wins than we lose on our losses!!
Thanks George for pointing out the realities and the facts of the matter.
Now I have tried a few different progressions but I think the best progression to be used - if you need to use one that is - is exactly the way you have set forth in your post: +1/-1 on a loss/win on both bets.
I tried using triggers before betting also, but that seems to make no appreciable difference or especial advantage.
An idea may be to flatbet at 1u for say, 20 spins then if in negative play the next set of 10 or 20 spins at 2u...
Or maybe over a fixed amount of level stake 'sets' of spins there can be consistently overall more profits than losses??
The 'nozero' is rng and not real roulette but would deal with the pesky 0 factor which is a pain when its hitting often.
A.
A,
I don't mean to act like a math guy, just wanted to point out what we were up against.
I, as you know, am a proponent of the concept used in Full TrioPlay/Tera TNT where they use a Pluscoup type bet progression. The safety brake idea they use is to chase their losses with their wins. Once they catch their losses with wins, they will be in plus territory. If they don't get out of Basic Play, they will be plus before their number of wins reaches their number of losses. If they don't get ahead early in the game, they take aggressive measures to bring their bet size equal to their number of losses. They do this by jumping numbers in their bet size increases so as to reach their number of losses sooner. This can mean that they may, and often do, find themselves still minus when it's time to reset. But this helps prevent a catastrophic plunge into the hole. I say, "helps" because there are no guarantees that any safety measures will always prevent a major loss, thus the need for a stop-loss.
By using this bet selection method and bet progression to represent a single bet following the TrioPlay model, I am able to win consistently, so far. I say, so far, because we all know things can take a really bad turn at any time.
That this helps may be a misperception on my part, but only time will tell.
GLC
I was messing with a simulator today, and I found the holy grail for NZ roulette, but I kept modifying the system, trying different things, until I lost the original winner. >:(
I attached a graph how it looked like. It even passed the 10k and 50k spin test with some minor swings and without ever going in the red.
Most incredible tale have ever heard.
It's the most incredible graph I've ever seen!
I lost my car keys once when we were setting off for the airport on holiday.
I found them in my dressing gown pocket 30 mins later....... and all went well.
Yeah i know....its not as bad as losing the holy grail.
So, in 1,000 spins it won 25 units.
Not even going to think about a "dressing gown".....
Reminds me of the story of the kid in physics class. Teacher ask him what electricity is. He claims he knew, but forgot. Teachers throws up hands in despair: The only human on the planet who has every known what electricity is and he's forgotten.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 06, 05:49 PM 2013
Reminds me of the story of the kid in physics class. Teacher ask him what electricity is. He claims he knew, but forgot. Teachers throws up hands in despair: The only human on the planet who has every known what electricity is and he's forgotten.
Sam
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Not even going to think about a "dressing gown".....
I must stress....this is not me sporting this dressing gown
For recreational purposes only. Wear at your own risk..
Ok, I know it sounds stupid, and I still know what the basic idea was, I just can't remember where did I bet exactly and how much at a certain level in the progression. The bet sizes and positions were changing constantly.
The starting bet was 5 cents, so it is actually 500 units profit. If I can do it again, I'll let you know. If you don't hear from me, it failed.
No, seriously. If you remember it, please share it with us.
Hi,
Here is my previous session but with GLC suggested progression applied.
[reveal=SAME SESSION WITH GLC PROGRESSION]
REAL MONEY SESSION (at SLC)
Progression Ladder
===============
Up 1 level after a loss. Down 1 level after a win.
Reduce to default when highest bank equalled or surpassed (marked with *)
EC COL
== ===
1 1 (default)
2 2
3 3
4 4
5 5
6 6
7 7
etc.. etc...
Target = +3 or more.
=====================================
# result nextbet bal+/- progression
=====================================
START observe last 3 decisions 1-1
28b
3r
19r bet r+c2 +0 1-1
23r w+3 bet r+c2 +3* - target = +3
=====================================
1-1
12r w+0 bet r+c2 +0
36r w+0 bet r+c2 +0
23r w+3 bet r+c2 +3* - target = +3
======================================
1-1
34r w+0 bet r+c2 +0
1r w+0 bet r+c2 +0
11b w+1 bet r+c2 +1*
13b L-2 bet b+c3 -1 2-2
10b w+0 bet b+c3 -1
3r w+2 bet b+c3 +1* 1-1
2b w+0 bet b+c3 +1*
20b w+0 bet b+c3 +1*
13b w+0 bet b+c3 +1*
23r L-2 bet b+c3 -1 2-2
0G L-4 bet b+c3 -5 3-3
24b w+9 bet b+c3 +4* - target = +4
======================================
1-1
26b w+0 bet b+c3 +0*
5r L-2 bet b+c3 -2 2-2
22b w+0 bet b+c3 -2
22b w+0 bet b+c3 -2
18r w+2 bet b+c3 +0* 1-1
15b w+3 bet b+c3 +3* - target = +3
======================================
1-1
35b w+0 bet b+c3 +0*
20b w+0 bet b+c3 +0*
23r L-2 bet b+c3 -2 2-2
29b w+0 bet b+c3 -2
32r L-4 bet r+c2 -6 3-3
36r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
3r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
9r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
27r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
21r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
3r w+0 bet r+c2 -6
4b L-2 bet r+c2 -12 4-4
5r w+12 bet r+c2 +0* 1-1
27r w+0 bet r+c2 +0*
9r w+0 bet r+c2 +0*
3r w+0 bet r+c2 +0*
15b L-2 bet r+c2 -2 2-2
30r w+0 bet r+c2 -2
22b L-4 bet b+c3 -6 3-3
15b w+9 bet b+c3 +3* -target = +3
=========================================
1-1
29b w+0 bet b+c3 0*
24b w+3 bet b+c3 +3* - target = +3
=========================================
1-1
5r L-2 bet b+c3 -2 2-2
0G L-4 bet b+c3 -6 3-3
14r L-6 bet r+c2 -12 4-4
26b w+4 bet r+c2 -8
23r w+12 bet r+c2 +4* - target = +4
=========================================
1-1
31b L2 bet b+c3 -2 2-2
33b w+6 bet b+c3 +4* - target = +4
=========================================
1-1
4b w+0 bet b+c3 +0*
14r L-2 bet b+c3 -2 2-2
8b w+0 bet b+c3 -2
9r w+2 bet r+c2 +0 1-1
8b w+1 bet b+c3 +1*
17b w+0 bet b+c3 +1
0G L-2 bet b+c3 -1 2-2
28b w+0 bet b+c3 -1
34r L-3 bet b+c3 -5 3-3
20b w+0 bet b+c3 -5
31b w+0 bet b+c3 -5
32r L-6 bet b+c3 -11 4-4
0G L-8 bet b+c3 -19 5-5
30r w+5 bet r+c2 -14
13b L-10 bet r+c2 -24 6-6
23r w+18 bet r+c2 -6 5-5
6b L-10 bet b+c3 -16 6-6
31b w+0 bet b+c3 -16
29b w+0 bet b+c3 -16
32r L-12 bet b+c3 -28 7-7
24b w+21 bet b+c3 -7 6-6
9r w+6 bet r+c2 -1 5-5
12r w+0 bet r+c2 -1
32r w+15 bet r+c2 +14* - target = +14
=========================================
1-1
8b w+1 bet r+c2 +1*
33b L-2 bet b+c3 -1 2-2
30r w+2 bet b+c3 +1* 1-1
28b w+0 bet b+c3 +1*
12r w+1 bet r+c2 +2*
24b L-2 bet b+c3 +0 2-2
35b w+0 bet b+c3 +0
3r w+2 bet b+c3 +2* 1-1
36r w+1 bet r+c2 +3* - target = +3
=========================================
1-1
20b w+1 bet r+c2 +1* +1 stopped.
Total profit so far = +45.
NOTE:The 4 ZEROS snaffled up +18 points! as well as contributing to the higher level progressions...
[/reveal]
A.
Here are my 3 real money sessions this morning on SLC live autowheel (min bets):
[reveal]
Total Bank = £53.5
==============
53.5* 1-1
L-2 53.3 up to 2-2
w+2 53.5* down to 1-1
w+1 53.6*
w+3 53.9* target = +4
=====================
53.9* 1-1
L-2 53.7 up to 2-2
w+2 53.9* down to 1-1
w+0
w+0
w+0
w+0
L-2 53.7 up to 2-2
L-4 53.3 up to 3-3
w+0
L-6 52.7 up to 4-4
w+12 53.9* down to 1-1
w+3 54.2* target = +3
=====================
54.2* 1-1
w+1 54.3*
L-2 54.1 up to 2-2
w+0
L-4 53.7 up to 3-3
w+3 54.0
L-6 53.4 up to 4-4
w+4 53.8
w+0
w+0
w+0
L-8 53.0 up to 5-5
L-10 52.0 up to 6-6
w+0
w+6 52.6
w+18 54.4* down to 1-1
w+0 54.4*
w+3 54.7* target = +5
=====================
3 sessions (33 spins) = +12
=====================
[/reveal]
Thankfully no zero's :)
A.
Atlantis
I had bad session .
Dublinbet flatbet -28 units in a hour , i think optimal stoploss is -10 units.
Quote from: ozon on Oct 07, 09:19 AM 2013
Atlantis
I had bad session .
Dublinbet flatbet -28 units in a hour , i think optimal stoploss is -10 units.
Hi Ozon,
Sorry to hear. If you ARE level flatbetting then -10 seems sensible stop point. It's not something that could not be recovered.
I'm happy to report I've won 3 more sessions and gained +9units fairly quickly using the progression ladder and no high progressions either - and this is my preferred way of real play as of now! As I said I'm playing for LOW units only.
Do you still have the numbers from your session? If so maybe you can try to see what would have happened if using the progressive tactics?
A.
I thing GLC turned me on to predominance in the last 3--Im testing something on that w baccarat--dont want to ruin this thread but it seems promising
No , I didnt write the numbers .I had alot fast , very good sessions with this strategy ,always + 3 target profit.
I dont know that any progression help with that session. Very fast -18 , slow recovery to -11 , and drop to -28.
Safe way is flat bet and stoploss -10 , maybe in longer run it be profitable.
Quote from: ozon on Oct 07, 01:52 PM 2013
No , I didn't write the numbers .I had a lot fast , very good sessions with this strategy ,always + 3 target profit.
I don't know that any progression help with that session. Very fast -18 , slow recovery to -11 , and drop to -28.
Safe way is flat bet and stoploss -10 , maybe in longer run it be profitable.
OK. Thanks ozon. I agree; surely it is safer with flatbet.
A.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 07, 01:24 PM 2013
I thing GLC turned me on to predominance in the last 3--I'm testing something on that w baccarat--don't want to ruin this thread but it seems promising
Hi Tomla,
Hope it goes well. Please let us know if it works. :)
A.
Food for thought.
Since I have a few of my favorite roulette brothers on this topic, I want to run a concept by you. Here's why we should look twice at betting double dozens or 5 lines or 11 streets or even 35 straight up numbers.
Let's analyze the results when we have each number hit one time before any number repeats.
Say we bet one unit on Red each spin.
18 times Red will win and we win +18 units.
18 times Black will hit and we lose -18 units.
1 time zero will hit and we lose -1 unit.
A net loss of -1 unit.
That's not too bad.
Let's say we bet one unit on the 1st dozen each spin.
12 times we win 2 units for +24 units.
24 times we lose 1 unit for -24 units.
1 time zero hits and we lose 1 unit.
A net loss of -1 unit.
That's not too bad either.
Let's say we bet 1 unit on 2 dozens each spin.
24 times we will win 1 unit for +24 units.
12 times we will lose 2 units for -24 units.
1 time zero hits and we lose 2 units.
A net loss of -2 units.
Oops! That's not quite as good as the above bets.
Let's say we bet 1 unit on 5 lines each spin.
30 times we will win 1 unit for +30 units.
6 time we will lose 5 units for -30 units.
1 time zero hits and we lose 5 units.
A net loss of -5 units.
What the ?? That's not looking good at all!
The final thought.
Let's say we bet 1 unit on 35 numbers each spin.
35 times we will win 1 unit for +35 units.
1 time we will lose 35 units for -35 units.
1 time zero will hit and we will lose -35 units.
Am I confused, or is it a really bad bet to bet multiple dozens, lines, streets, splits or straight up numbers?
Also, please note that it's the same disadvantage (a loss of 1 unit) to bet a single even chance or a single dozen or a single line or a single street, etc...
Warrior's right! Double dozens is a losing bet!!
George
P.S. Being amongst the elderly, I could be confused.
Lighten up on the elderly or I'll throw a Depends at you!!
a used one........
Keep those depends to yourself.
Actually, we have to keep these young guns in line. You, me, Ralph, Flatino, Wally, ScoobyDoo, etc... If I missed someone, take it as a compliment.
By the way, where's Ralph been lately?
You okay Ralph? :'( :(
Before this dies, I have one more method that seems to be the best way so far. For me at least.
We always play for a chop. If Red spins we bet Black and the 3rd column. If Black spins we bet Red and the middle column.
Because of the extra Reds or Blacks in the columns, we don't have to worry too much about a streak of the same color
because we can win by hitting the column. The bet progression I've been testing with fabulous results is to bet in 5 spin sets. After each set, we subtract our total from our highest bank amount and divide by 5. If the result is 1 or less, we bet 1 & 1 for the next 5 bet set. Any time we get a result from our division that is 2 or less but more than 1, we bet 2 & 2 for the next 5 spin set. If our result is 3 or less but more than 2, we bet 3 & 3 for our 5 spin set, etc...
Any time we reach at new high bank amount, we reset to 1 & 1 and start a new 5 spin set.
Safety brake: If our bets start getting too large, we can change our set amounts to 6 or 7 or more. Our divisor will be equal to the set amount. Don't use the safety brake too much or you'll never get back to plus.
GLC
I also report much better results playing instead for DBL.
If red bet r+c2
if black bet b+c3
It seems superior to my "dominant of 3" selection approach.
A.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 12, 01:32 AM 2013
The bet progression I've been testing with fabulous results is to bet in 5 spin sets. After each set, we subtract our total from our highest bank amount and divide by 5. If the result is 1 or less, we bet 1 & 1 for the next 5 bet set. Any time we get a result from our division that is 2 or less but more than 1, we bet 2 & 2 for the next 5 spin set. If our result is 3 or less but more than 2, we bet 3 & 3 for our 5 spin set, etc...
Any time we reach at new high bank amount, we reset to 1 & 1 and start a new 5 spin set.
Safety brake: If our bets start getting too large, we can change our set amounts to 6 or 7 or more. Our divisor will be equal to the set amount. Don't use the safety brake too much or you'll never get back to plus.
GLC
Hi GLC,
I don't get this... - can you please show a small session snippet to illustrate?
Ta,
A.
I'm not so good with charts so I'll try my best to explain more clearly.
Firstly, when I say a 5 bet set I mean that we bet 5 times whether the result of a single bet is win, lose or draw.
Let's say our high bank amount is 200 units.
If we bet 1-1 on R&2 and R&1 wins, that's our 1st spin even though we broke even. Bank = 200
If we bet 1-1 on B&3 and R&1 wins, that's our 2nd spin and we lost 2 units. Bank = 198
If we bet 1-1 on B&3 and R&3 win, that's our 3rd spin and we won 1 unit. Bank = 199
If we bet 1-1 on B&3 and B&2 wins, that's our 4th spin and we broke even. Bank = 199
If we bet 1-1 on R&2 and R&2 wins, that's our 5th spin and we won 3 units. Bank = 202
That's our 5 spin set with a positive result meaning our next 5 bet set will be at 1-1 also.
Had we won on the e.c. and the column on the 1st or 2nd bet, we would have been at a new high bank and we would have ended that set and started a new set immediately at 1-1.
Option: If you want to, you don't have to count break even spins as part of the 5 spin set. I suggested counting them because it tends to help keep the bets lower in the long run, although that may just be a misperception on my part. Remember, there's no absolute way to play any of these systems. They can be tweaked to suit your temperament.
Much of the time we will be playing at the 1-1 level but still have a reasonable chance to win a few units.
Now for when to increase bet levels.
If you start a 5 spin set with a bank amount of 200 and you end it with 196, that's -4 divided by 5 = 0.8 which is 1 or less so we stay at 1-1 for the 5 spin set.
If you start a 5 spin set with a bank amount of 200 and you end it with 192, that's -8 divided by 5 = 1.6. This falls within the 1.1 - 2.0 range so we bet 2-2 for the next 5 spin set.
If you start a 5 spin set with a bank amount of 200 and you end it with 182, that's -18 divided by 5 = 3.6. This falls within the 3.1 - 4.0 range so we bet 4-4 for the next 5 spin set.
Safety brake example:
Let's say our highest bank amount was 200 units and we end the current 5 spin set at 125. That's 75 divided by 5 = 15.0. We would play the next set at 15-15. This obviously means we have been having a very bad session and was betting a large unit amount in our last 5 bet set also. If 15-15 is too rich for your blood, you can decide to play a 7 spin set next time. 75 divided by 7 = 10.7 which falls within the 10.1 - 11.0 range so we will be betting 11-11 for the next set which will be 7 bets.
If we have a good 7 bet set, we can always switch back to 5 bet sets.
We can even drop down to 4 or 3 bet sets to try to recover even more quickly. This up to each person. When to adjust the set bet numbers.
Most of the game will be played at the 1-1 bet level with occasional slides into 2-2 thru 5-5 levels. Higher levels come into play when we've encountered a really bad stretch and are fighting for our lives. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, and it will, we must have a method to deal with it. On all but the rarest sessions will we find ourselves in too much trouble. That's why it helps a lot for forum members to test systems at least until we have an example of how bad it can get so we all know what to expect when things do go bad.
I suppose we could limit the number of spins we play for as a stop loss aid. Or we could set a maximum size bet. And always we need to have a maximum number of units we will lose at any trip to the casino. Even if the trip is to your computer to long onto an on-line casino.
GLC
Thanks George,
Great ideas there!
How bout xtra roolz like so?
(I use DBL for selection)
Only bet on RED + COLUMN 2 when so indicated if the last THREE or more appearances of Red DID NOT also hit the second column as well!
Only bet on BLACK + COLUMN 3 when so indicated if the last THREE or more appearances of Black DID NOT also hit the third column as well!
That means it will not be continuous betting all the time - there will be automatic stop and start betting points for each colour combo. If a colour trigger applies and only if the DBL is that colour then betting will commence on it. Bets will cease on a qualifying colour combo after it hits (whether it was bet upon or not!!!) until the 3 miss qualifying trigger for that combo re-qualifies again...
Flatbetting.
BUT - - - I'm sure GLC's cyclic progression delineated above would also suit well enough if needs be too.
EXAMPLE:
#spun +/- times missed bet
=================================================
8 +0 b1
6 b0
34 r1
25 r2
21 r3 r+c2
7 w+0 +0 r4 r+c2
14 w+3 +3 r0
12 r1
28 b1
8 b2
1 r2
18 r3 r+c2
9 w+0 r4 r+c2
11 w+1 +4 b3 r+c2
5 w+3 +7 r0 b+c3
36 w+1 +8 r1
34 r2
26 b4
4 b5 b+c3
7 L-2 +6 r3 b+c3
10 w+0 b6 r+c2
1 w+0 r4 b+c3
5 L-2 +4 r0
8 b7
35 b8 b+c3
10 w+0 b9 b+c3
34 w+1 +5 r1 b+c3
6 w+3 +8 b0
12 r2
7 r3 r+c2
8 w+1 +9 b1 r+c2
19 w+0 r4
+9pts
A.
I like it A.
This is a good illustration of what I mean when I say that these systems can be tweaked a lot of different ways to suit the individuals player's playing style or risk tolerance.
There's no right system that's a winner and any deviation will result automatically in a losing system.
Tweaking is okay in roulette! :thumbsup:
GLC
Quote from: ati on Oct 06, 03:46 PM 2013
I was messing with a simulator today, and I found the holy grail for NZ roulette, but I kept modifying the system, trying different things, until I lost the original winner. >:(
I attached a graph how it looked like. It even passed the 10k and 50k spin test with some minor swings and without ever going in the red.
BUMP!
Ati, how are you going with this? Maybe we can help. :thumbsup:
I am almost sure that you are betting on numbers.
Maybe I'll try again sometime, but I'm done testing for a while.
Actually I (almost) only used outside bets, and the idea was a progression where every new level I covered more numbers. I started with an EC bet, if lost, two dozens, if lost, two dozens plus one double street, and so on. The problem is, the bet amount can be very high when I cover over 90%, but my chances of winning are also very high, that's why I always start with the smallest possible bet. During testing I easily passed thousands of spins almost every time without hitting the one or two uncovered numbers at around level 4-5. But what can happen, will happen.
Thanks ati.
You have a way of playing very similar to what I like, speak in the same terms. I like to be filling slowly table and winning in most of the twists and have had good results with it, but I've also found that when a bad run, can be disastrous. Anyway, not a bad way in my opinion, although most players do not really like the way you play.
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 12, 01:37 PM 2013
Thanks George,
Great ideas there!
How bout xtra roolz like so?
(I use DBL for selection)
Only bet on RED + COLUMN 2 when so indicated if the last THREE or more appearances of Red DID NOT also hit the second column as well!
Only bet on BLACK + COLUMN 3 when so indicated if the last THREE or more appearances of Black DID NOT also hit the third column as well!
That means it will not be continuous betting all the time - there will be automatic stop and start betting points for each colour combo. If a colour trigger applies and only if the DBL is that colour then betting will commence on it. Bets will cease on a qualifying colour combo after it hits (whether it was bet upon or not!!!) until the 3 miss qualifying trigger for that combo re-qualifies again...
Flatbetting.
BUT - - - I'm sure GLC's cyclic progression delineated above would also suit well enough if needs be too.
EXAMPLE:
#spun +/- times missed bet
=================================================
8 +0 b1
6 b0
34 r1
25 r2
21 r3 r+c2
7 w+0 +0 r4 r+c2
14 w+3 +3 r0
12 r1
28 b1
8 b2
1 r2
18 r3 r+c2
9 w+0 r4 r+c2
11 w+1 +4 b3 r+c2
5 w+3 +7 r0 b+c3
36 w+1 +8 r1
34 r2
26 b4
4 b5 b+c3
7 L-2 +6 r3 b+c3
10 w+0 b6 r+c2
1 w+0 r4 b+c3
5 L-2 +4 r0
8 b7
35 b8 b+c3
10 w+0 b9 b+c3
34 w+1 +5 r1 b+c3
6 w+3 +8 b0
12 r2
7 r3 r+c2
8 w+1 +9 b1 r+c2
19 w+0 r4
+9pts
A.
Hello,
Not Sure I completely understand this variation. Must be in part of the
post that I didn't see.
Is the R-2 B-3 core still valid? I am tying to test it.
thanks
ALan
Quote from: mogul397 on Jul 16, 07:12 PM 2014
Hello,
Not Sure I completely understand this variation. Must be in part of the
post that I didn't see.
Is the R-2 B-3 core still valid? I am tying to test it.
thanks
ALan
Hi Alan,
My example does use the RED/COL2 and BLACK/COL3 combinations as before - but they are only betted together if the last 3 outcomes of the colour did not coincide with the respective column. I prefer to only bet on a valid trigger if the decision before last (DBL) corresponds to the trigger colour... Flatbetting
For instance
3R red did not hit col2
24B black and did hit col 3
16R red did not hit col2
30R red did not hit col2 red not hit column 2 THREE times; trigger to bet R+C2 because DBL was RED
9R red did not hit col2 +0 red not hit column 2 FOUR times ; trigger to bet R+C2 because DBL was RED
14R red DID hit col2 +3 reset count for red to 0
28B black and not col3 black=1 (b1)
7R red and not col2 red=1 (r1)
14R red DID hit col2 reset red count; red=0 (r0)
17B black and not col3 black=2 (b2)
35B black and not col3 black=3 (b3); trigger to bet B+C3 because DBL was BLACK
12R red and not col2 +4 red=1 (r1); trigger to bet B+C3 because DBL was BLACK
4B black and not col3 +4 black=4 (b4)
32R red + col2 red=0 (r0); trigger for B+C3 because DBL was BLACK
15B black+col3 +7 reset b(0)
6B B+C3 b(0)
19R R+C1 r(1)
3R R+C3 r(2)
35B B+C3 b(0)
12R R+C3 r(3)
22B B+C1 b(1) trigger to bet R+C2 as DBL was red and r(3)
8B B+C2 +8 b(2)
18R R+C3 r(4)
7R R+C1 r(5) trigger to bet R+C2 as DBL was red and r(5)
14R R+C2 +11 r(0)
29B B+C2 b(3)
20B B+C2 b(4) trigger to bet B+C3 as DBL was b and b(4)
18R R+C3 +12 r(1) trigger to bet B+C3 as DBL was b and b(4)
10B B+C1 +12 b(5)
36R R+C3 r(2) trigger to bet B+C3 as DBL was b and b(5)
3R R+C3 +13 r(3) trigger to bet R+C2 as DBL was r and r(3)
17B B+C2 +14 b(6) trigger to bet R+C2 as DBL was r and r(3)
11B B+C2 +15 b(7) trigger to bet B+C3 as DBL was b and b(7)
33B B+C3 +18 b(0) reset Black count
Hope this explains it! You can experiment and use different triggers to mine.
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I quite like Compa's neat idea from 2010. Probably far better than my own effort above. There's a nice symmetry about it and its easy to track and play. :)
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Compa's H/L Formula + Jump Dozens
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HLH<-L
HHL<-L
HHH<-H
HLL<-H
LHL<-L
LLH<-H
LLL<-L
LHH<-L
Examples
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Outcome:
34.33.2 = H H L
play LOW and Doz 2+3
Outcome:
12.15.19 = L L H
play HIGH and Doz 1+3
Flatbets only. Suggested target: +3
Real Session
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3 31 2 = LHL
Play H + D2 & D3
13 w+0 +0
2 9 20 = LLH
Play H+D1+D3
30 w+3 +3
30 7 20 = HLH
Play L+D1+D3
7 w+3 +6
6 18 13 = LLL
Play L+D1+D3
20 L-3 +3
10 28 23 = LHH
Play L+D1+D3
28 w+0 +3
8 19 34 = LHH
Play L+D1+D2
2 w+3 +6
1 22 11 = LHL
Play H+D2+D3
34 w+3 +9
33 16 26 = HLH
Play L+D1+D2
6 w+3 +12
Try it and see! ;)
A.
Hi Atlantis,
How do you know what dozens to play, sets 1 & 2, even though you are betting high, which, I understand, the dozens are different?
Jim
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Real Session
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3 31 2 = LHL
Play H + D2 & D3
13 w+0 +0
2 9 20 = LLH
Play H+D1+D3
30 w+2 +2
30 7 20 = HLH
Play L+D1+D3
7 w+2 +4
6 18 13 = LLL
Play L+D1+D3
20 L-3 +1
10 28 23 = LHH
Play L+D1+D3
28 w+0 +1
8 19 34 = LHH
Play L+D1+D2
2 w+2 +3
1 22 11 = LHL
Play H+D2+D3
34 w+2 +5
33 16 26 = HLH
Play L+D1+D2
6 w+2 +7
Hi Jimmie,
First of all, my math is all snarled up! The correct returns and profit/loss is now corrected above. Apologies for that - one of those day's I'm afraid!!
The dozens selected are the 2 furthest back out of the 3 recorded numbers...
So: 9 16 30 = LLH
Decodes to H and D1 and D2
If it was 28 29 31 = HHH
would be H+D1+D2
Regards,
A.