Ok so as a newbie i will share 1 system with you all :)
A Double Street (sixline) whatever you call it can't be missing more than 55 spins on the bounce, well, it can in theory, but never has, ever, anywhere as far as i am concerned. So wait until a double street has been missing for 35-40 spins and then start betting using a 15-20 step progression, something along the lines on 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-6-9-15 ect... that is a 13 step progression of the top of my head. This can be very very boring and tedious waiting for a Double Street to be missing for 35-40 spins, but if you have the patience, it works.
Good Luck
@Teeza12 - Thanks for sharing ur system; What do we do while waiting for a double street to miss
35-40 spins, watch the paper wall dry.......? Do u know any faster system by any chance.......?
I did say it was boring Chris, it depends why you play, because you are a gambler, or to earn £
It's funny how many systems come in to play when you're playing others.
This could easily be one that you kept an eye on whilst playing your other methods.
As we all know their are hundreds of systems, some work fora while then drop out, some are dead from the start, some require balls and gut, i am a very boring safe player.
Tezza,
So how often do you actually get to bet (let's say per 60 spins)?
why per 60 spins, you can easily go hours and hours and not bet, the point is, when you do, you bet big, also it can be used within other ways of playing also, not just looking for sixline vacancy :)
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 25, 07:41 PM 2015
why per 60 spins, you can easily go hours and hours and not bet, the point is, when you do, you bet big, also it can be used within other ways of playing also, not just looking for sixline vacancy :)
Difficult to bet "big" with a 15-20 step progression....
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in my eyes a system like this, though it works, is impractical
how practical is it to goto the casino for hours and not even place a single bet
in my eyes a system like this, though it works, is impractical
how practical is it to goto the casino for hours and not even place a single bet
if you are unemployed and can stand in the casino for 12 hours a day then MAYBE it will work
I have been testing this on live roulette and RNG and its holding its own on both, my opinion on RNG is its something of a matrix, it is a computer, it has rules and boundaries it has to stick to, if you can find me anywhere recorded where a DS has gone missing for 55 spins then ill eat my hat, so to speak, a RNG can't just decide to cheat the history and statistics of hundreds of years, it has been programmed with rules and boundaries, we just need to understand them and exploit them.
Quote from: ddarko on Mar 25, 07:48 PM 2015
Difficult to bet "big" with a 15-20 step progression....
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No, not when the progression is 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3 ect....
I understand you....cuz im playing bit same. If a ser tan trigger comes along. Jump on it. Of course it's not the only thing i do. But if they there...play them. Works pretty good. Not for real live play but good enough for online live autowheel. Open tv and put laptop next to you....relaxing and easy.
What's the diff between waiting a ds not to come for about 35 times then bet on it; or waiting for a doz not to come up
for about 12 times then bet on it.....; It is the same thing, just probably a lot faster....to win and get out.
True chris.. but there are many triggers. But his is bit safer. But maybe not see it ffor a week. Lol. I use many triggers too. Some bets are easy. Of course i play 2-6hrs a day. Then u see many triggers come along. I not bet to big on those opportunities cuz when luck is not on your side and lose...how long we gonna need to get it back? But if u can dubbel let's say 3 or 4 times waiting for the same trigger then it works excellent. Just some extra $â,¬
Chris a single dozen in order can go missing for 30+spins, if you wait 12 then start betting you had better have a 20 step progression which is much costlier. And as denzie said its not the only trigger, i know how long everythings max is apart from singles, if you know what the max life term of a missing street, quad,split,sixline,dozen ect.... is then you have many chances to attack.
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 26, 07:04 AM 2015
Chris a single dozen in order can go missing for 30+spins, if you wait 12 then start betting you had better have a 20 step progression which is much costlier. And as denzie said its not the only trigger, i know how long everythings max is apart from singles, if you know what the max life term of a missing street, quad,split,sixline,dozen ect.... is then you have many chances to attack.
Does anyone have some statistics regarding this numbers - the max a street, quad, split, sixline, etc can miss?
To make this statistics extra safe we could:
1 - determine the maximum ammount of spins we can see in our lifetime, playing RNG or a live wheel on TV (numbers will be different) 4-6 hours /day, every day.
2 - take that number (let's imagine its 1.000.000), and do the statistics (the max a street, quad, split, sixline, etc has missed) for a random 1.000.000 spins
3 - repeat step 2 1000 times (or just multiply the number of spins on test 2 by 1000).
4- determine your bankroll and progressions for each case. When you are betting for one trigger, do not start betting for another or your bankroll may not sustain both at the same time.
If while playing and following this rules, you ever get over the calculated limmits and lose your entire bankroll - altough improbable it can happen - you are very,very,very unlucky...
To play this way, you need a good tracker... It's not 100% fullproof, but I believe it's a good aproach.
EDIT: In step 4, when determining your bankroll, divide it by 2. This way you will have 2 shots in your lifetime. It should be very hard to lose both of them... (altough you would have more opportunities to play if using just the entire bankroll, since you can take bigger progressions - its the trade off between risk and proffit).
you are right vladir, just because it may have never happened before, does not mean it can't, in theory it can, but you would be considered seriously and possibly the unluckiest human alive lol
The biggest problem people have when playing roulette is human induced behaviors, things like impatience, boredom, emotions, drinking alcohol, being a general gambler. to win, and win a lot, requires a different approach, it requires you to treat it like a job and have discipline and MM, even i suffer sometimes, i have often pulled out of a progression just because i bottled it, then it hit 1-2-3-4 spins later (as i knew it would from my own research) sometimes you can't help who you are and what you do, we are human and do make mistakes from time to time.
This is also a great way to play in online casinos that give you bonuses - any kind of bonus, even the ones you can' twithdraw after wagered, because they increase how much you can go on the progressions. Any bonus, as long as the terms allow you to play roulette with it - most don't unfortunatly, and the ones who do, sometimes have very litle table limmits to play this way - it makes me wonder, maybe someone has already been doing this?
The thing with roulette is their is no HG, it does not allow their to be, what you can have is a 99.99% winning way, and if you hit the 0.1% which will only be once in a lifetime them dam, unlucky is not the world, most people do not have the patience to play the waiting way. Nothing is ever forever, we all need to remember that, One day, in millions or billions of years the earth will not be here, its just fact.
I read somewhere once, the best roulette players are the ones with bipolar disorder, as they do not experience emotions in the same way due to medication ect....
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 26, 08:17 AM 2015
The thing with roulette is their is no HG, it does not allow their to be, what you can have is a 99.99% winning way, and if you hit the 0.1% which will only be once in a lifetime them dam, unlucky is not the world, most people do not have the patience to play the waiting way. Nothing is ever forever, we all need to remember that, One day, in millions or billions of years the earth will not be here, its just fact.
I read somewhere once, the best roulette players are the ones with bipolar disorder, as they do not experience emotions in the same way due to medication ect....
Ok then, imagine this scenario instead. If I have this system that loses for 0,01% of players through their life time. I get 100 computers, each one running a bot, I then divide the bankroll in 100 parts and leave the bots running for my whole life. Let's assume there are no disconections, errors, etc for now...
Even if 1 or 2 in them loses (1-2%), the other 98-99 will profit. How much, would it be enough to compensate for 1-2% loss of the bankroll of the losing ones? I believe it could.... Would you consider this a H.G. ?
Bingo tezza...but personally i give myself 3 shots ....but for the rest yep your right on the money. I said it b4...patience!!!
Well no, it can't be a HG because it loses, but yes it is a fantastic money maker, hence my bot question on this forum ;)
If you have the cash, space and BR for 100 computers and set up ect..... then id ask why you are playing roulette lol, but yes, in theory, until of course their is a error or disconnection, or glitch in the system, thats all RNG is, a system, its about finding the glitch.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 26, 08:28 AM 2015
Bingo tezza...but personally i give myself 3 shots ....but for the rest yep your right on the money. I said it b4...patience!!!
You give yourself 3 shots of what ::)
Tequila. Lol. No i was wrong. It was from Vladir. He put the br in 2....i put in 3 .... just extra warranty.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 26, 08:41 AM 2015
Tequila. Lol. No i was wrong. It was from Vladir. He put the br in 2....i put in 3 .... just extra warranty.
Well, technically he wants to split the BR in to 100, one with each comp and bot, he must be mega loaded, My own personal biggest problem when i play is i play with money i can't afford to lose, so i bottle it or are ultra cautious, If i had the £ and didnt care if it lost or not, ironically id be a lot richer right now lol
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 26, 09:02 AM 2015
Well, technically he wants to split the BR in to 100, one with each comp and bot, he must be mega loaded, My own personal biggest problem when i play is i play with money i can't afford to lose, so i bottle it or are ultra cautious, If i had the £ and didnt care if it lost or not, ironically id be a lot richer right now lol
LOL, unfortunatly I'm not loaded, it was just a theoretical example to explain my point of view. If I was "loaded" I wouldn't even consider playing at all. After having a certain amount of money to live comfortably, why would I want even more? I just want enough to be able to dedicate myself to things I really like instead of a stupid pointless job - things that don't require much money at all by themselfs.
Hello Tezza12 . . .
Sorry our emails are not working.
I have attached the Excel Sheet that I use for testing DS(lines) that are sleeping.
You can select how long you wish a line to sleep for before betting.
It comes with a built in 40 step progression which you can change if you wish.
It has a built in Trailing Profit which basically means that if you get into a profit you will never lose it all.
Enjoy
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Mar 26, 10:08 AM 2015
Hello Tezza12 . . .
Sorry our emails are not working.
I have attached the Excel Sheet that I use for testing DS(lines) that are sleeping.
You can select how long you wish a line to sleep for before betting.
It comes with a built in 40 step progression which you can change if you wish.
It has a built in Trailing Profit which basically means that if you get into a profit you will never lose it all.
Enjoy
Nick
Hey Nick, my PC will not let me open for some reason, which version excel are you using, also, i appreciate the link, but is it just a excel sheet, i have one of those myself, great for manual tracking ect.... I am after a bot, to do it for me on autopilot once programmed :)
I am using Excel 2007.
The Excel sheet is the power that drives our bots. Our updated bot is currently being coded by Victor(VLS).
You can check this site for when the bot will be made available.
link:://betsoftware.cc/index.php (link:://betsoftware.cc/index.php)
Cheers
Nick
It's seems very impractical if you really want to play it safe... I run a simulation for some combinations (3 numbers, 4 numbers, 6 numbers, 12, 18 and 24) for 3.000.000 random spins and got this maximums for sleepers:
3 4 6 12 18 24
146 120 79 35 21 15
I am confused sorry, what did you run this on to get those results and why is that way accurate, i have the numbers which i believe are the limits and they do not match yours!!! but i have never lost with my numbers either, and they are tested on real spins and RNG spins over MILLIONS of spins.
Quote from: vladir on Mar 26, 12:16 PM 2015
It's seems very impractical if you really want to play it safe... I run a simulation for some combinations (3 numbers, 4 numbers, 6 numbers, 12, 18 and 24) for 3.000.000 random spins and got this maximums for sleepers:
3 4 6 12 18 24
146 120 79 35 21 15
Also as a afterthought, are those number any random numbers, eg 3 number anywhere, or a street, is it any 4 number or a Quad ect.....
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 26, 12:34 PM 2015
Also as a afterthought, are those number any random numbers, eg 3 number anywhere, or a street, is it any 4 number or a Quad ect.....
Any 3 numbers, any 4 numbers, etc,...
I used a rand() function... But I believe you will get similar results with any random generating function... you can even use excel.
Quote from: vladir on Mar 26, 12:39 PM 2015
Any 3 numbers, any 4 numbers, etc,...
I used a rand() function... But I believe you will get similar results with any random generating function... you can even use excel.
But that is why it is not accurate, 3 random numbers do not act the same as 3 numbers in order eg a street, same for a quad ect....
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 26, 12:41 PM 2015
But that is why it is not accurate, 3 random numbers do not act the same as 3 numbers in order eg a street, same for a quad ect....
Are you saying that, for example, pockets[1,2,3] will behave differently then [1,10,20]? Can you explain why you say that?
Quote from: vladir on Mar 26, 12:51 PM 2015
Are you saying that, for example, pockets[1,2,3] will behave differently then [1,10,20]? Can you explain why you say that?
I can't explain why, so will have to go with the old, just because they don't lol
Quote from: thelaw on Mar 25, 07:34 PM 2015
Tezza,
So how often do you actually get to bet
I was thinking more "how often do you actually get to bed" :xd:
I am a tad confused, are you looking for a super quick, get rich quick thing, are you a social player who does not care if loses. I play for one reason, to make more than i started with, Ok so it can be slow and boring, but the end result is always, always the same, a profit. A safer than usual profit.
tezza i am with u. patience pays off. but how many casino visits does it take and length of time per visit before u have that one betting opportunity.
RG....laptop , tv, sofa . The only thing u need is time. If u play every day for 4-5-6 hrs you will meet many triggers. Like he said, see it as a job (with great salary).
Quote from: vladir on Mar 26, 07:50 AM 2015
Does anyone have some statistics regarding this numbers - the max a street, quad, split, sixline, etc can miss?
I have this.
Quote from: marivo on Mar 27, 04:29 AM 2015
I have this.
Thanks. As I expected, even the high, impractical results I got in 3 million spins are conservative compared to what you present in that file... IF we consider those numbers until we start playing...I wonder how much you have to wait until a betting opportunity arrises... :(
Quote from: vladir on Mar 27, 08:44 AM 2015
Thanks. As I expected, even the high, impractical results I got in 3 million spins are conservative compared to what you present in that file... IF we consider those numbers until we start playing...I wonder how much you have to wait until a betting opportunity arrises... :(
That is the tricky part vladir ...
I run several million trails and got for example one line sleeping 81 times.
Then you might have 26 step progression and will never see a trigger to bet from.
You migh be chasing extreme events and tracking more then you play.
I mean is not every day you see one line sleep for 60 times in a row.
One other way i also check is the even money bets.
The record is 50 loses and 7 wins.
That is 5.09 STD.
This mean you would start betting from 3+ STD
You would get one selection or trigger each day - or as minimum - because you can track different ways and get multi selections.
Now to cover 3.5 STD to 5.09 STD you have to beat this sequense LLLLLL W LLLLLL W LLLLLL W LLLLLL 24 loses and 3 wins.
If you can come up with a progression cover does events - then you have the holy grail.
One solution would be winning twice each state or level of six attmpts.
And you need four levels to get a recovery plan - that would also be a solution for a holy grail.
Or at least you would win during your life time at the tables.
Cheers
Quote from: marivo on Mar 27, 04:29 AM 2015
I have this.
Where do you get these stats from, they are very very wrong
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 27, 02:06 PM 2015
Where do you get these stats from, they are very very wrong
Why you say that - the stats look ok to me and i get similiar result running 1 million trails.
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 27, 02:06 PM 2015
Where do you get these stats from, they are very very wrong
If I remember correctly, I got it together with a trial copy of the roulette software on the website that is mentioned in the file.
They are a excel file, excel RX and all that can't accurately predict specifics, only random, roulette is not only about that.
Think of this, Gamblers fallacy is believing something is due, when in roulette each spin is independent so nothing is ever due, I believe in every spin, something is always due, it has to be, you just hope its your number/s.
One clue without giving to much away, stats, tracking and the history or roulette are very important to understanding how to win, remember this is not a get rich quick thing, we are not gamblers, when i play roulette i go to work, not play.
Quote from: tezza12 on Mar 27, 06:15 PM 2015
They are a excel file, excel RX and all that can't accurately predict specifics, only random, roulette is not only about that.
I dont think its excel rx. I think they must be rng spins. The owner of the software has once been involved in this or a similar forum.
If they are RNG spins then from what casino, a legit one, or one that does cheat based in Nigeria where you have no hope. I have MILLIONS and MILLIONS probably TENS OF MILLIONS of RNG spins behind me in the years i have been playing roulette and never got anywhere close to the numbers you present.
I believe my numbers are very accurate, my numbers allow for a decent progression and a loss but aims never to hit a loss, it has a contingency -- in the worst case scenario it does hit a loss it will not wipe out your bankroll.
You are right. In the .pdf to his software he says this:
"I used a program call Roulette Xtreme to simulate 10 million roulette spins on a single zero roulette table and put the data into 2 different files. The files are self explanatory and for informational purposes only. You can use the data to help create your own system."