This is a complete working system, it's a tweak on my old "dozen repeater", that was played with one dozen patten only (repeats). This system is played with all 3 dozen pattens. And dozen patterns like to repeat very often, that's why it works!
For a dozen(1,2,3) there can be only three basic pattens
1. REPEAT (1,1) Next bet 1 (2,2) Next bet 2....
2. LAST DOZEN HIT (1,2,1) next bet 2 (2,3,2) Next bet 3...
3. NEW DOZEN HIT (1,2,3) Next bet 1 (3,1,2) Next bet 3...
Trigger: Wait for one dozen patten to form, then bet ONCE that this patten is going to continue, then STOP and wait for a new patten to be formed. (If zero hits restart tracking).
Progression +1/-1 (Reset when reach a new high)
nice graph, you may be onto something :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
quick ~100 spin test
doz 1 +5
doz 2 +8
doz 3 -2
ignatus, your only looking for one hit if I understand it----121 play 2 it wins.....now wait 3 spins and start again?
2. LAST DOZEN HIT (1,2,1) next bet 2 (2,3,2) Next bet 3...
ignatus
Wouldn't this be the next-to-the-last dozen to hit? Or is that what you mean?
You ain't been smokin' that stink-weed, have you?
Sam
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 20, 07:39 PM 2015
ignatus, your only looking for one hit if I understand it----121 play 2 it wins.....now wait 3 spins and start again?
yes (but not necessary wait 3 spins, a new patten can be formed before that!)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 07:48 PM 2015
2. LAST DOZEN HIT (1,2,1) next bet 2 (2,3,2) Next bet 3...
ignatus
Wouldn't this be the next-to-the-last dozen to hit? Or is that what you mean?
You ain't been smokin' that stink-weed, have you?
Sam
no Sam ;) call it what you will, but it's that one particular patten 2,1,2 (bet 1) or 3,1,3 (bet 1) and so on..
I kinda really like this bet! nice one
I'll re-read it. Must have missed something.
ignatus, you are getting better. Keep on keepin' on!
Sam
Test 2
Test 3
4/4 Games won
5/5 Games won
I really think think this is a great system that should win more than it losses
tested 100 spins in zumma and it made 40 units
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 21, 12:08 PM 2015
I really think think this is a great system that should win more than it losses
tested 100 spins in zumma and it made 40 units
Yes, thanks for testing! :)
I played two hours on Dublinbet and lost 200 units, make only 14 units and starts drop.
Maybe progression is too aggressive.
Quote from: ozon on May 21, 12:51 PM 2015
I played two hours on Dublinbet and lost 200 units, make only 14 units and starts drop.
Maybe progression is too aggressive.
Yes, drawdowns can happen, but usually it recovers good. I think an ordinary dozen progression would be worse,...
I watched sequences of Loses even further, 300 units is not enough, if you dont win flatbet I do not know whether it has any edge.
Mayby progression mild 1122334455..... or mayby even 111222333444....
Fast session BV nozero of progression 11223344 make 30 unit and swept 300 unit bankroll in a moment
Rng ozon?
Ozone not sure what you meant. you made 30 units then lost 300 units?
Tomla,yes. I make 30 units then lost 300 units . I know, that is RNG but sometimes i use BV to fast tests. But with orginal progression i had drawdawn more than 300 on Dublinbet .
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 07:48 PM 2015
2. LAST DOZEN HIT (1,2,1) next bet 2 (2,3,2) Next bet 3...
ignatus
Wouldn't this be the next-to-the-last dozen to hit? Or is that what you mean?
You ain't been smokin' that stink-weed, have you?
Sam
You love to throw around comments (and admissions) of substance abuse, don't you.
Everyone isn't a drunk or drug addict.
Quote from: mogul397 on May 22, 08:57 AM 2015
You love to throw around comments (and admissions) of substance abuse, don't you.
Everyone isn't a drunk or drug addict.
Considering ignatus spend a lot of his early posts here talking about smoking weed, it's just two friends
having a joke with each other.....
O0
Lighten up, Bro!! I have a rum and coke about once a week. Never at a casino. When I haven't eaten, I get buzzed. 8)
I'll work on my problem!!
Quote from: ozon on May 21, 12:51 PM 2015
I played two hours on Dublinbet and lost 200 units, make only 14 units and starts drop.
Maybe progression is too aggressive.
Go down with your progression if you are one spin from a nigh high.
Example: You have to bet 20 units but only 7 units from a new high, go down in your bet to 4
This can controle the drawdowns.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 22, 09:47 AM 2015
Lighten up, Bro!! I have a rum and coke about once a week. Never at a casino. When I haven't eaten, I get buzzed. 8)
I'll work on my problem!!
I always point out to my son (true fact) that I never "throw the first punch" (hope the word "punch"
isn't a trigger for you to throw a couple back). But. From
link:://:.GF/threads/farthest-back-4-number-system.138/#post-5714 (link:://:.GF/threads/farthest-back-4-number-system.138/#post-5714)
I have:
Yes, I'm drunk! And you are stupid. But tomorrow, I shall be sober.
(Apologies to Winston Churchill)
So in light of the atmosphere of
"Considering ignatus spend a lot of his early posts here talking about smoking weed, it's just two friends
having a joke with each other....."
I'm all for a good joke. Unless it's a punch. But I NEVER throw the first one.
Quote from: mogul397 on May 22, 11:50 AM 2015
I always point out to my son (true fact) that I never "throw the first punch" (hope the word "punch"
isn't a trigger for you to throw a couple back). But. From
link:://:.GF/threads/farthest-back-4-number-system.138/#post-5714 (link:://:.GF/threads/farthest-back-4-number-system.138/#post-5714)
I have:
Yes, I'm drunk! And you are stupid. But tomorrow, I shall be sober.
(Apologies to Winston Churchill)
A good example of this was when Rouletteghost invited me into the "holy grail"
group. As testing went on, I was interested in seeing the results of tests of actual
play where the grail was winning and doing it's thing. I started a thread where people
could post their results. But I mentioned a post that RG made where he talked
about losing two sessions with the grail.
He didn't like that, so he barred me from his group. All I did was try to engage in
positive discussions about the grail.
So in light of the atmosphere of
"Considering ignatus spend a lot of his early posts here talking about smoking weed, it's just two friends
having a joke with each other....."
I'm all for a good joke. Unless it's a punch. But I NEVER throw the first one.
Quote from: ignatus on May 21, 07:03 AM 2015
5/5 Games won
Ignatus.
Thanks for posting all these results. It looks really good. The thing
that scares me about it is some of the sharp drawdowns. It does look like it always
recovers. I'm guessing the bankroll is in "units"? And some of the drawdowns are
close to 100 units? Am I looking at that right?
I guess you would have to know that fact and have the bank for it? From there it looks
like maybe it recovers in around 25-50 spins?
Nice job.
Mogul
As I look at the losing spikes they seem very abrupt and maybe softening the
progression would help soften that blow.
Quote from: soggett on May 20, 01:01 PM 2015
nice graph, you may be onto something :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
quick ~100 spin test
doz 1 +5
doz 2 +8
doz 3 -2
I gave this another look, seems I got it wrong the first time, my bad, sorry
did a 300 spin test, flattbeting, ended +25, highest +35
anybody still messing with this one?
Ignatus did you do more tests?
Thanks for testing soggett! :)
No, i haven't done more tests with this one!
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 13, 09:17 AM 2015
Thanks for testing soggett! :)
No, i haven't done more tests with this one!
well I haven't got a clue as how i did the first test back then lol
I will give this a longer run when I get the time, if it turns out good I'll let you know (fingers crossed ;D)
edit:
500 spin test, flatbetting continuosly (not stopping and waiting for new trigger, going with the flow :xd: :xd:)
looks perfect for a light progression so far, what you think ignatus?
ok, did a full 4k test
flatbetting ends up +5
highest +25
lowest -38
seems pretty stable, ups and downs, needs good MM and we may have something here
anyone needs w/l just ask (can't seem to find the reveal/hide function)
gonna try stopping and waiting for new trigger also when I get time
How do you like them apples :xd: :xd:
frist MM i thinked of trying, hope next ones will only be better ;D ;D
even better this time
max bet was 10 units
ends +327
think ill call it a day and wait for responses 8) 8)
Very light drawdowns. Which MM do You use?
Thanks again soggett, great results! :)
Nice that someone actually makes the effort and really play/test the system
Quote from: ozon on Jun 14, 10:08 AM 2015
Very light drawdowns. Which MM do You use?
first one i used flat for 5 losses then clasic marty 10 step (got to step 10 only once) - but wouldnt play that, that was just to see how it goes
second one i used flat first 5 losses then +2 units, so 3 unit bet for next 5 bets (when +6 or +3 reset (so w or lw)), then if 5 losses up to 5 units per bet (looking to get +15 in that stage then reset or if +10 get down to 3 unit bet) then if 5 losses up to 10 unit per bet (+20 or higher then step down to 5) reseting when in profit or if though situation then at -5 and call it a day :D - I was messing around with that one, basically needs more tweaking and maybe 1 more lvl
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 14, 10:19 AM 2015
Thanks again soggett, great results! :)
Nice that someone actually makes the effort and really play/test the system
no problem, I'd test it sooner but was busy, then I looked it up and actually forgot how i tested it the first time lol
so far looks good, evenly spread out
Im thinking of maybe betting 1111222233334444... and moving up and down as we play... gotta look up some of GLC's post and find a good progression to use ;D
Why it is so quiet here, at last bet selection, which make profit flatbet after 4k spins, but I do not have the RX from manual tests with 1111222233334444 ..... and stop lose 220 units, looks really good.
this is a good bet--i studied and tested it----very smooth up you go bet
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 22, 01:46 PM 2015
this is a good bet--i studied and tested it----very smooth up you go bet
Thanks :) Glad you liked it.
I just took a break from roulette for awhile because i saw the lack of interest in my systems.
theres no lack of interest I dont think. peeps are trying to find something that is consistant , makes sense , that shows promise for making money..... all of the above and its so hard to find:)
You would be surprised the number of people that may play your method(s) and you won't hear a single word about it. Trust me, people ARE playing or at minimum, testing the various methods on the board.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jun 22, 05:19 PM 2015
You would be surprised the number of people that may play your method(s) and you won't hear a single word about it. Trust me, people ARE playing or at minimum, testing the various methods on the board.
Ken
Ok, thanks Ken. Maybe i shouldn't give up then.. ;)
Has anyone considered a Labby or Divisor Method for this?
Anyone have a w/L example for this?
Also, Ignatus, you have contributed a great deal to this forum in a way that I haven't seen before. System explanation + Test + Graphic = perfect presentation!!!
Keep up the great work-Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 22, 06:42 PM 2015
Has anyone considered a Labby or Divisor Method for this?
Anyone have a w/L example for this?
Also, Ignatus, you have contributed a great deal to this forum in a way that I haven't seen before. System explanation + Test + Graphic = perfect presentation!!!
Keep up the great work-Thanks! :)
I would agree to this too. Good job!!!!!!!!
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 22, 06:42 PM 2015
Has anyone considered a Labby or Divisor Method for this?
Anyone have a w/L example for this?
Also, Ignatus, you have contributed a great deal to this forum in a way that I haven't seen before. System explanation + Test + Graphic = perfect presentation!!!
Keep up the great work-Thanks! :)
here you go, 4k spins w/l registry
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can't seem to find the hide/reveal button, do we still have it and how to use it?
and yea ignatus, keep up the good work buddy :thumbsup:
Hey Ignatus,
Keep up the good work... :) :thumbsup:
Quick question, if you get 1,1,2, I take it you would bet 2 for the pattern 1,1,2,2 to form, I don't think this type of pattern was included in the first post ???
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 23, 06:01 PM 2015
Hey Ignatus,
Keep up the good work... :) :thumbsup:
Quick question, if you get 1,1,2, I take it you would bet 2 for the pattern 1,1,2,2 to form, I don't think this type of pattern was included in the first post ???
Jim
Thanks :)
1,1,2 is not a complete pattern, so no.
if the next spin would be 3 then you have a trigger (1,2,3-- bet 1)
or if the next spin would be 1 you have a trigger (1,2,1--bet 2)
or if the next spin would be 2 you have a trigger (2,2-- bet 2)
Ok. So based on those spins, a Labby would be very dangerous.
A Divisor might work.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 23, 10:37 PM 2015
Ok. So based on those spins, a Labby would be very dangerous.
A Divisor might work.
tested first 1036 spins using divisormaster on default settings (6/6), ends +227 units
the 2 highest DD were when I had 23w/65L and 14w/37L
highest bet was 33 units, 90% of the time it was 5 units or less
I'm going to mess around with the divisor to see how it goes
Quote from: soggett on Jun 25, 10:51 AM 2015
tested first 1036 spins using divisormaster on default settings (6/6), ends +227 units
the 2 highest DD were when I had 23w/65L and 14w/37L
highest bet was 33 units, 90% of the time it was 5 units or less
I'm going to mess around with the divisor to see how it goes
That's actually a scary graph as the more spins result in deeper DD. This is how most progressions that fail look.
What about a stop loss. So we win some games and lose others, but come out ahead, instead of going to war?
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 25, 11:40 AM 2015
That's actually a scary graph as the more spins result in deeper DD. This is how most progressions that fail look.
What about a stop loss. So we win some games and lose others, but come out ahead, instead of going to war?
I though the same thing, a stopp loss would be great, but the DD is not big, playing this without at least 200 unit BR is no good anyway
I'll test other versions of the divider to see if any is better
second test, this time all settings were at their lowest
highest bet 28 units, 83% of the time bets were less than 5 units
highest DD of 132 units (next bet 28) was when I had 3w/23L, after that ended with 0 after 8w/26L - not bad
ended +267 units
soggett
What is the divisormaster?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 26, 02:06 PM 2015
soggett
What is the divisormaster?
Sam
it's an excell file for lanky 6 point divisor, kind of like a "divisor for dummies" :xd:
here, I'll attach it