What follows is the best strategy that I can find after studying thousands of Roulette systems, all of which failed over the long run.
It consists of two standard parts: Bet Selection and the Progression (w/money management).
Bread-Breaker
Bet Selection :
First off record the spins in real time in rows of 3 each excluding 0/00 :
BRR
BRB
BBB
RRB
BRB
BBR etc.
...now record a S/D (same/different) chart in the same format :
BRR
BRB SSD
BBB SDS
RRB DDS
BRB DSS
BBR SDD
BRR SDS
RRR DSD
...now we are going to look for singles vs 2+patterns of S/D results (all 2+ will just be written as 2) :
2 (SS)
1 (D)
1 (S)
1 (D)
1 (S)
2 (DD)
1 (S)
1 (D)
2 (SSS)
2 (DD)
1 (S)
1 (D)
1 (S)
1 (D)
1 (S)
...now, we are looking for repeating runs of either singles or doubles, so we start with a virtual win and play through to a loss. Then start over :
2
1
1 (v-win)
1 win
1 win
2 loss
1
1 (v-win)
2 loss
2 (v-win)
1 loss
1 (v-win)
1 win
1 win
1 win
...so our w/l chart look like this :
w
w
l
l
l
w
w
w
Progression :
Simply add your progression of choice (I prefer Fibonacci). You will normally see runs like this :
WLWWWWWLWLLLWWLWLWLWLLWWWWLWL
which are perfect for a Progression where you get 2 losses per win, but use another if you prefer.
As for MM, I have a stop-loss of 30 units which is very conservative.
I've tested this system now on a couple of thousand spins from each and every results-sheet that I have access to, and it hasn't lost yet (not even hitting the 30 unit stop-loss). I've also tried using the EC straight with no charting (as shown above), but it tanks quickly, so the charting is key. There is also no winner via flat betting, although the outcomes are pretty close (WL). Labby will work, but it's just too much writing, as you need to keep track of all 3 EC charts for maximum bets per hour. I'm sure there is a better progression for this, but I haven't found it yet.
On each EC you should expect to make about 10-12 units per hour (30+ if you play all 3). I have a few more tests to run before I put down real money, but I think the bet-selection is solid, and with the right progression, this might be a long-term winner.
All I ask is two favors :
1) If you play this and it wins, then send me 10% (PM me for paypal address)
2) If you play/test and it loses, post your results here
Now, kindly tear this system apart. Thanks! :twisted:
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
Thelaw
I am not clear on this last part you listed above, shouldn't it be
1(S)
1(D)
1(S)
1(D)
1(S)
1(D)
Just want to make sure I understand the process correctly. Thanks for posting!
Dennis
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 07, 06:55 PM 2015
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
1 (S)
Thelaw
I am not clear on this last part you listed above, shouldn't it be
1(S)
1(D)
1(S)
1(D)
1(S)
1(D)
Just want to make sure I understand the process correctly. Thanks for posting!
Dennis
yes - sorry about that. It should be corrected now. The last (D) is not listed as we don't know where that series is going; might be a DD for instance.
Thanks for the heads-up! :)
ever thought of playing it with 2 out of the 3 Ec's ?
Could give you a chance to get rid of that pesky progression !!!!!
gl
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 07, 07:11 PM 2015
ever thought of playing it with 2 out of the 3 Ec's ?
Could give you a chance to get rid of that pesky progression !!!!!
gl
O0
Not sure what you mean. Each EC is charted separately. Can you explain?
Were your tests run on a single or double zero wheel spins?
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 07, 07:15 PM 2015
Not sure what you mean. Each EC is charted separately. Can you explain?
Sure, instead of just betting R/B or O/E or H/L bet 2 of them at the same time.
R/B & O/E or R/B & H/L or O/E & H/L ?
More tracking yes, but if it means flat betting it's worth it !!!!
Hope that explains it better......
O0
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 07, 07:20 PM 2015
Were your tests run on a single or double zero wheel spins?
Single, but probably doesn't matter.
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 07, 07:20 PM 2015
Sure, instead of just betting R/B or O/E or H/L bet 2 of them at the same time.
R/B & O/E or R/B & H/L or O/E & H/L ?
More tracking yes, but if it means flat betting it's worth it !!!!
Hope that explains it better......
O0
Each EC is a separate game and playing them together would be too risky for losses (3 losses at the same time for each could be a disaster if bet together). The system above is designed for tracking all 3 EC and playing them as separate games. Flat betting will lose (although very close to even) over the long run, so not sure how it would work for all three??? Am I missing something?
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 07, 07:27 PM 2015
Each EC is a separate game and playing them together would be too risky for losses (3 losses at the same time for each could be a disaster if bet together). The system above is designed for tracking all 3 EC and playing them as separate games. Flat betting will lose (although very close to even) over the long run, so not sure how it would work for all three??? Am I missing something?
I'm suggesting betting two of the three Ec's should reduce the loses & hopefully still keep the wins at a good rate....
Why not got through you results of all three Ec's & see what happens when betting two of them at same time.
As all three Ec's almost break even, maybe a combination of two of them could give you a win while
flat betting......
gl
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 07, 07:34 PM 2015
I'm suggesting betting two of the three Ec's should reduce the loses & hopefully still keep the wins at a good rate....
Why not got through you results of all three Ec's & see what happens when betting two of them at same time.
As all three Ec's almost break even, maybe a combination of two of them could give you a win while
flat betting......
gl
O0
I looked at charts from all 3 and found too many close calls as the bets come at different times and together they can spell disaster.
As for flat-betting, I'm looking for something that works long-term, so hit-and-run is out for me.
Again, my approach is super-conservative. so I use all 3 EC as an overall MM buffer for the others.
Thanks for the ideas! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 07, 07:45 PM 2015
As for flat-betting, I'm looking for something that works long-term, so hit-and-run is out for me.
I'm a bit confused by this sentence, could you pls tell me what you meant by it ?
Thxs.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 07, 07:50 PM 2015
I'm a bit confused by this sentence, could you pls tell me what you meant by it ?
Thxs.
O0
Flat betting fails long-term (already tried it with each EC), but it does end pretty even after about 100 spins, as opposed to regular EC that can swing to 1/3 W/L, so it's very balanced (close to 50/50).
It might be successful in the short-run, but I'm looking for more.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 07, 08:04 PM 2015
Flat betting fails long-term (already tried it with each EC), but it does end pretty even after about 100 spins, as opposed to regular EC that can swing to 1/3 W/L, so it's very balanced (close to 50/50).
It might be successful in the short-run, but I'm looking for more.
Right, I see what your getting now thank you.
Interesting you stating it about even after 100 spins, 100 spins is the number I always play/ test for.
I see no point in testing a 300 spins session when I can only sit down for a 100 spin session when I actually play !!!
Short-term to you is long-term to me.....
O0
I ran the first 90 spins in the Zumma roulette tester book and this is my W/L string
WLWLLWWLWWLLLLLWLLWLLWL
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 07, 09:17 PM 2015
I ran the first 90 spins in the Zumma roulette tester book and this is my W/L string
WLWLLWWLWWLLLLLWLLWLLWL
Wow! I've only seen 5 losses in a row one other time. Did it recover (I end with -13 units)?
....and just to check, this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting?
Thanks! :)
Here is a sample game for clarification (99 spins- Spielbank Weisbaden - table 2 06.06.2015) :
BRR
RBR DDS
BBR DSS
BBR SSS
RBB DSD
BBR DSD
RRR DDS
RRB SSD
BBB DDS
BBB SSS
RBB DSS
BBB DSS
BBB SSS
RRR DDD
BRR DSS
RRR DSS
BRR DSS
BRR SSS
RRR DSS
RBB SDD
RRB SDS
BBB DDS
BRB SDS
BBB SDS
RRB DDS
RRR SSD
BRB DSD
RBB DDS
RRB SDS
BBR DDD
RRB DDD
BRR DSD
RRR DSS
Here is the charting (again 2 = 2+) :
2112112122221212221212122111221211222122112122
Which leads to this w/L chart :
LLWWLWLLWLLLWLLLW
and this was actually a pretty nasty run with 6 wins and 11 losses (usually it's closer).
Hope this helps for clarification.
What I like about this is that it never appears to go completely off the rails with say 10 losses in a row.
All testing is welcome; especially failures!!! :)
I only tested 90 spins. I may have ended with a slightly different result because we may have started our fibonacci progression differently. Do you start with
11235? I will paste 110 spins below so you can see if it recovers after the first 90.
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
G
B
B
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
G
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
R
G
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B
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R
B
B
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B
B
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R
G
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Wow! I've only seen 5 losses in a row one other time. Did it recover (I end with -13 units)?
....and just to check, this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting?"
Yes this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting. I could have made
a mistake but I understand how you are playing the method.
Dennis
Here is what I get (please note that I removed the zeros as they rarely effect the bet) :
BRB
RBB DDS
BBR DSD
RBB DSD
RRR SDD
RRR SSS
RRB SSD
RBB SDS
BRR DDD
RBR DDS
RRB SDD
RBB SDS
BBB DSS
RBR DSD
BRR DDS
RBB DDD
RRB SDS
RRB SDS
RRR SSD
BRB DSD
RBR DDD
RRB SDD
RRB SSS
BBR DDD
RRR DDS
RBB SDD
RRR SDD
RRB SSD
BBR DDD
BBB SSD
BBR SSD
BRB SDD
RBR DDD
BBR DSS
BRR SDS
B S
Which gives us this chart :
21121112211112221111211212112122121222221222212112212
and a W/L chart :
LWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWWLWWLLL
12 WINS
13 LOSSES
My Fib starts with nothing and builds from there, so 5 losses in a row would look like : 11234
Thanks! :)
I will compare our charts to see where the difference occurs. My understanding of fibonacci is the last two numbers added together make the next number so how did you come up with the number 4?
The first difference is that I did mine in sets of 30 decisions. Zumma has 30 spins per column so that would cause us to have different results. Also there are
some errors on your work up. I won't point out all of them but just a few. See below.
BRB
RBB DDS 211121112211112221111211212112 I stopped here my eyes are starting to cross but you can see some differences. I like your results better.
BBR DSD
RBB DSD
RRR SDD
RRR SSS
RRB SSD
RBB SDS
BRR DDD
RBR DDS
RRB SDD
RBB SDS
BBB DSS
RBR DSD
BRR DDS
RBB DDD
RRB SDS
RRB SDS---This should be SSS
RRR SSD
BRB DSD
RBR DDD
RRB SDD
RRB SSS
BBR DDD
RRR DDS
RBB SDD
RRR SDD
RRB SSD
BBR DDD
BBB SSD
BBR SSD
BRB SDD
RBR DDD
BBR DSS
BRR SDS
B S
Just checking I would be playing this correctly, say we have a 1 1, meaning a trigger, and we are now going to be betting for another 1, do you bet just the once after the first spin in the next sequence in order to bet for the 1, I’ll try and explain....
RBR
BBB DSD 1
BRB SDS 1 trigger to bet for the next sequence to be a 1
B....ok, this is an S, in order for this sequence to be a 1, I’m betting the next outcome to be a D, therefore, I bet B, is this correct?
Here’s another example with a 2 2 sequence, as I’m assuming you could be betting twice in the sequence after the first spin....
RRB
BRB DSS 2
BRR SSD 2...trigger to bet for another 2 in the sequence
R...D, ok this is a D, in order for this to be a 2, I want another D, therefore, I bet B, say it’s R, which means an S, I now bet for another S to give me the 2, therefore, I bet R?
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 07, 11:27 PM 2015
I will compare our charts to see where the difference occurs. My understanding of fibonacci is the last two numbers added together make the next number so how did you come up with the number 4?
Yes, the way that I play Fib is add the first and last (perhaps it's called something else).
Errors Corrected (Thanks DB) :
BRB
RBB DDS
BBR DSD
RBB DSD
RRR SDD
RRR SSS
RRB SSD
RBB SDS
BRR DDD
RBR DDS
RRB SDD
RBB SDS
BBB DSS
RBR DSD
BRR DDS
RBB DDD
RRB SDS
RRB SSS
RRR SSD
BRB DSD
RBR DDD
RRB SDD
RRB SSS
BBR DDD
RRR DDS
RBB SDD
RRR SDD
RRB SSD
BBR DDD
BBB SSD
BBR SSD
BRB SDD
RBR DDD
BBR DSS
BRR SDS
B S
Which gives us this chart :
211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212
and a W/L chart :
WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL
11 WINS
14 LOSSES
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 08, 06:55 AM 2015
Just checking I would be playing this correctly, say we have a 1 1, meaning a trigger, and we are now going to be betting for another 1, do you bet just the once after the first spin in the next sequence in order to bet for the 1, I’ll try and explain....
RBR
BBB DSD 1
BRB SDS 1 trigger to bet for the next sequence to be a 1
B....ok, this is an S, in order for this sequence to be a 1, I’m betting the next outcome to be a D, therefore, I bet B, is this correct?
Here’s another example with a 2 2 sequence, as I’m assuming you could be betting twice in the sequence after the first spin....
RRB
BRB DSS 2
BRR SSD 2...trigger to bet for another 2 in the sequence
R...D, ok this is a D, in order for this to be a 2, I want another D, therefore, I bet B, say it’s R, which means an S, I now bet for another S to give me the 2, therefore, I bet R?
The original D or S (different or same) doesn't matter, it's just for charting. We then are looking to follow the singles or 2+ patterns. Any two of the same pattern are are a trigger and we bet for a third, like 211(trigger) 1 (bet). Does that make sense?
Aha...makes sense now, after I sent the post I realised I also didn't understand how you were getting the 2 and 1 sequences, crystar clear now, thanks :)
Jim
Hi Law,
Make a BREAD-BREAKER for DOZENS, or Column.
They will be very interesting!
I dont want to break up a perfectly good thread but:
Why not 124 marty the dominant above?
BRB
RBB DDS
BBR DSD +1
RBB DSD +1
RRR SDD +1
RRR SSS +1
RRB SSD +1
RBB SDS +1
BRR DDD+1
RBR DDS+1
RRB SDD+1
RBB SDS+1
BBB DSS+1
RBR DSD+1
BRR DDS+1
RBB DDD+1
RRB SDS+1
RRB SSS+1
RRR SSD+1
BRB DSD+1
RBR DDD+1
RRB SDD+1
RRB SSS+1
BBR DDD-7
RRR DDS+1
RBB SDD+1
RRR SDD+1
RRB SSD+1
BBR DDD+1
BBB SSD+1
BBR SSD+1
BRB SDD+1
RBR DDD+1
BBR DSS+1
BRR SDS+1 plus 25 units
B S
Which gives us this chart :
211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212
and a W/L chart :
WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL
11 WINS
14 LOSSES
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 08, 02:52 PM 2015
I dont want to break up a perfectly good thread but:
Why not 124 marty the dominant above?
BRB
RBB DDS
BBR DSD +1
RBB DSD +1
RRR SDD +1
RRR SSS +1
RRB SSD +1
RBB SDS +1
BRR DDD+1
RBR DDS+1
RRB SDD+1
RBB SDS+1
BBB DSS+1
RBR DSD+1
BRR DDS+1
RBB DDD+1
RRB SDS+1
RRB SSS+1
RRR SSD+1
BRB DSD+1
RBR DDD+1
RRB SDD+1
RRB SSS+1
BBR DDD-7
RRR DDS+1
RBB SDD+1
RRR SDD+1
RRB SSD+1
BBR DDD+1
BBB SSD+1
BBR SSD+1
BRB SDD+1
RBR DDD+1
BBR DSS+1
BRR SDS+1 plus 25 units
B S
Which gives us this chart :
211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212
and a W/L chart :
WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL
11 WINS
14 LOSSES
Works for this chart, but tanks heavy on others. If you're really brave, you can do an 8 step Marti with the W/L above!!! :)
Hi thelaw,
I have a question for you.
I think I got the basic bet selection right and I think I understand how we bet the singles but it's not clear how to bet on the doubles.
For example:
BRB
BBR SDS
BRR SDS
B D Now 2 singles after each other so this is a trigger. Right here I would bet S to make it a single.
The thing that I don't understand with the doubles is that when you get this
BRB
BRB SSS
RRB DSS
R S The thing that I don't understand is that if we would be betting on a double what to do here. This can go to either a S which would make the double a win or it could change to D which would give us another chance to bet on it becoming a double. The thing that's not clicking in my head yet is how do we bet those doubles? What am I missing here?
Quote from: SamNL on Jun 08, 07:01 PM 2015
Hi thelaw,
I have a question for you.
I think I got the basic bet selection right and I think I understand how we bet the singles but it's not clear how to bet on the doubles.
For example:
BRB
BBR SDS
BRR SDS
B D Now 2 singles after each other so this is a trigger. Right here I would bet S to make it a single.
The thing that I don't understand with the doubles is that when you get this
BRB
BRB SSS
RRB DSS
R S The thing that I don't understand is that if we would be betting on a double what to do here. This can go to either a S which would make the double a win or it could change to D which would give us another chance to bet on it becoming a double. The thing that's not clicking in my head yet is how do we bet those doubles? What am I missing here?
Just bet for what pattern you would like to come. So whether it's the double or single it doesn't matter, but focus on the pattern. On the second chart you only have the beginnings of a possible double pattern (remember the D and S do not stand for Double or Single, but for Same or Different) with 1 double (SSS). For it to be a pattern, it would need to be followed by another double pattern (like DDDD). Does that help?
Hey thelaw,
Thank you for your explanation.
I have looked long and hard at it and I think it's finally clicked in my head just now. :thumbsup:
Will look at it over and over again until I'm sure that I have it right.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 08, 09:07 AM 2015
Yes, the way that I play Fib is add the first and last (perhaps it's called something else).
Can you show an example? Thank you
Quote from: marivo on Jun 15, 05:11 AM 2015
Can you show an example? Thank you
1
11
112 (bet first and last)
1123
etc....
REPLY to thelaw
This is called the LABOUCHERE system also known as the Labby. Read up on this method first to get a better understanding.
I do not teach.
Tamino
Quote from: Tamino on Jun 15, 10:09 AM 2015
REPLY to thelaw
This is called the LABOUCHERE system also known as the Labby. Read up on this method first to get a better understanding.
I do not teach.
Tamino
You are absolutely right. I mislabeled it. Very familiar with the Labby (even have a thread on it). Thanks for the correction! :)
I ran a second test over 90 spins in the Zumma tester book and this is my W/L string. I will paste the decisions below.
WLLLLLWLLLLLWLW
B
B
G
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
R
B
G
R
B
B
B
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B