First of all I am not going to take credit for this strategy. As it is really the brainchild of Atlantis. And he deserves recognition for this. BUT, I will tell you something its AMAZING. The only strategy I have yet used that can take an RNG apart. At least in short term sessions.
I will explain How I APPLY IT. Atlanits may use a different method although he is targetting both dozens and columns he only bets on the 5th spin. I target the 5th and 6th spins because my experience tells me it is possible to get a session of say 10 games where you don't get a single hit on the 5th spin. However. I have yet to see a 10 game session without a hit on the 5th and 6th spins. So in effect the 6th spin is the 5ths back-up plan. Okay here are the basics.
(01) Just like the zone you wait for a dozen or column to sleep for 4 spins. If two sleep at the same time you cover them both. With 1pt each. The idea of this strategy is the strike rate is so good profit will come relatively easy. And the best part is there is no extreme progressions like the zone.
(02) If you bet on the 5th spin and it wins wait for a new qualifier. If you had dual bets. You bet on the 6th spin for the other qualifier to complete the game, if it doesn't hit thats IT BETS ARE OVER, and you wait for the next qualifier.. These 6th spins are VERY IMPORTANT. Especially if you intend to play a session to the end. They can make the difference between being in profit or not by the time your session is over.
(03) If you get off to a fantastic start you can end a session early. Lets say your first 3 qualifiers ALL hit on the 5th spin (very possible I saw 6 in a row on the 5th spin tonight) You have made 6pts profit very quickly. And I personally would bank it and end that session. Get used to winning SMALL BUT FREQUENT PROFITS. They add up very quickly. The idea is to build a bankroll so strong getting wiped out is impossible. with this strategy. I actually think this strategy is SUPERIOR to the zone. But I don't want to commit to that yet. The zone has been standing for 11 years. The cross-play 5 a few weeks. Nevertheless I cannot see it losing and HERE'S WHY. Both the dozens and columns NEVER GO COLD AT THE SAME TIME. If one is underperforming the other is PERFORMING. Thats what makes this one a winner.
(04) I recommend playing 3 sessions a day with this one. And aim to win 8---12 points a day. They will quickly add up believe me. A 100 point bankroll will suffice for THE CROSS-PLAY 5. Because you aren't risking more than 9 points at two betting levels. LEVEL 1 =1,1 on a qualified dozen or column. If that loses you bet the same on the next qualifying dozen. If that loses you NOW increase to 2,3 for the 3rd attempt on spin or spin 6. I have yet to lose 9 points. Its very stable. Bascially the 3rd game is about recovery. If you ever lose a 3rd game remain at level 2 stakes 2,3. Until you win two games. Then drop back to level 1. The first game is about profit. I will post my session for today later and explain whats going on with the results. I am off out to eat soon.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 21, 04:30 PM 2010
First of all I am not going to take credit for this strategy. As it is really the brainchild of Atlantis. And he deserves recognition for this. BUT, I will tell you something its AMAZING. The only strategy I have yet used that can take an RNG apart. At least in short term sessions.
I will explain How I APPLY IT. Atlanits may use a different method although he is targetting both dozens and columns he only bets on the 5th spin. I target the 5th and 6th spins because my experience tells me it is possible to get a session of say 10 games where you don't get a single hit on the 5th spin. However. I have yet to see a 10 game session without a hit on the 5th and 6th spins. So in effect the 6th spin is the 5ths back-up plan. Okay here are the basics.
(01) Just like the zone you wait for a dozen or column to sleep for 4 spins. If two sleep at the same time you cover them both. With 1pt each. The idea of this strategy is the strike rate is so good profit will come relatively easy. And the best part is there is no extreme progressions like the zone.
(02) If you bet on the 5th spin and it wins wait for a new qualifier. If you had dual bets. You bet on the 6th spin for the other qualifier to complete the game, if it doesn't hit thats IT BETS ARE OVER, and you wait for the next qualifier.. These 6th spins are VERY IMPORTANT. Especially if you intend to play a session to the end. They can make the difference between being in profit or not by the time your session is over.
(03) If you get off to a fantastic start you can end a session early. Lets say your first 3 qualifiers ALL hit on the 5th spin (very possible I saw 6 in a row on the 5th spin tonight) You have made 6pts profit very quickly. And I personally would bank it and end that session. Get used to winning SMALL BUT FREQUENT PROFITS. They add up very quickly. The idea is to build a bankroll so strong getting wiped out is impossible. with this strategy. I actually think this strategy is SUPERIOR to the zone. But I don't want to commit to that yet. The zone has been standing for 11 years. The cross-play 5 a few weeks. Nevertheless I cannot see it losing and HERE'S WHY. Both the dozens and columns NEVER GO COLD AT THE SAME TIME. If one is underperforming the other is PERFORMING. Thats what makes this one a winner.
(04) I recommend playing 3 sessions a day with this one. And aim to win 8---12 points a day. They will quickly add up believe me. A 100 point bankroll will suffice for THE CROSS-PLAY 5. Because you aren't risking more than 9 points at two betting levels. LEVEL 1 =1,1 on a qualified dozen or column. If that loses you bet the same on the next qualifying dozen. If that loses you NOW increase to 2,3 for the 3rd attempt on spin or spin 6. I have yet to lose 9 points. Its very stable. Bascially the 3rd game is about recovery. If you ever lose a 3rd game remain at level 2 stakes 2,3. Until you win two games. Then drop back to level 1. The first game is about profit. I will post my session for today later and explain whats going on with the results. I am off out to eat soon.
Thank you for sharing Mr. FENDER
Hi Fender,
Thanks for Posting details of how to play the Cross-Play 5 zone method.
I like it a lot.
I am now playing it your way for obvious reasons.
A.
Quote from: atlantis link=topic=157. msg747#msg747 date=1274488709
Hi Fender,
Thanks for Posting details of how to play the Cross-Play 5 zone method.
I like it a lot.
I am now playing it your way for obvious reasons.
A.
Fender and Atlantis,
Thanks for posting this updated version. I like the refinements that Fender has added also. I wish they hadn't deleted THE ZONE from the other forum. I would like to test this against all the sessions posted there by the three main posters, you two and Stackbundles. It should have been easy to test this against many sessions since they all included the spin #. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to dig in and start testing with new numbers.
GLC
Hi FENDER,
I'm a little confused on one issue.
You said you are betting: 1,1 if you lose, you bet 1,1 again
If you lose the first 2 bets, you bet 2,2 and if a loss, 3,3 on the last try.
Bet#1. 1,1 = 1 pt. profit /or -2 pts.
Bet#2. 1,1 = -1 pt / or -4 pts.
Bet#3. 2,2 = -2 pts. / or -8 pts.
Bet#4. 3,3 = -5 pts. / or -14 pts.
Now I have two questions:
1. How can you win when all except one bet is a minus profit?
2. How do you only lose 9 pts. when the the total progression is -14?
(Maybe you never lost the complete pression)
Anyway, if you could clear these issues up for me, I would appreciate it.
Hi Scooby,
I think Fender means betting progression
1,1
then
1,1
then
2,3
Buffalo
Hi Buffalowizard,
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: atlantis on May 21, 08:38 PM 2010
Hi Fender,
Thanks for Posting details of how to play the Cross-Play 5 zone method.
I like it a lot.
I am now playing it your way for obvious reasons.
A.
How are you Atlantis? Yes a few days ago I had a 10 game session with zero hits on the 5th spin, but 4 hits on the 6th spin and 2 on the 7th. I think its good to have a back-up Atlantis. Take it from me with that 6th spin you will always get winners. I haven't perfected the staking yet. Because think of it like this Atlantis. In a ten game frame we will always get at least 3 hits between the 5th and the 6th spin. I think it wouldn't hurt to take up the stakes zone style if its called for.
I never thought I would ever say this Atlantis. But your original idea has outdone the ZONE. Whereas you CAN suffer 4losses (total bets 12 over 3 games after a virtual trigger) Its rare to go six games in a row without seeing a hit on the 5th or 6th spin With the CROSSPLAY 5, well I HAVE YET TO SEE THIS. I have now made 143 pounds playing Ladbrokes RNG premier casino with this strategy. And have made 49 points (Ã,£10.00 VALUE) profit on Paddypowers live wheel. Here are the results of last nights session and my first session today.
FRIDAY---THIS WAS THE DREAM SESSION ALTHOUGH I :o ENDED EARLY
DOZEN 1=10-2PTS
DOZEN 3=5+2PTS----COLUMN 3=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----COLUMN 1=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 7PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 3=5
COLUMN 2=8
DOZEN 1=11
DOZEN 3=6----COLUMN 1=6
COLUMN 2=9
COLUMN 3=5----DOZEN 2=6
COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 3=10----COLUMN 1=5
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 3=6----DOZEN 3=6
DOZEN 1=8----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 13 WINS--7 LOSSES AND 7PTS PTOFIT
SATURDAY---THIS SESSION SHOWS THE VALUE OF THE 6TH SPIN ATLANTIS
DOZEN 1=5+2PTS
DOZEN 1=6+1PT----COLUMN 3=6+1PT
DOZEN 3=6+1PT----COLUMN 1=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 7PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 2=8
DOZEN 1=9----COLUMN 3=5
COLUMN 1=10
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 3=6
DOZEN 3=8----COLUMN 1=10
DOZEN 3=6----COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 1=7
COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 2=8----COLUMN 2=14----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 10 WINS--10 LOSSES AND 7PTS PROFIT. Without the 6th spin this session would have been bad. Although it started well and I ended early. Thats the value of the 6th spin and also realizing greed doesn't pay.
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=49PTS PROFIT ON A LIVE WHEEL
Quote from: GLC on May 21, 11:22 PM 2010
Fender and Atlantis,
Thanks for posting this updated version. I like the refinements that Fender has added also. I wish they hadn't deleted THE ZONE from the other forum. I would like to test this against all the sessions posted there by the three main posters, you two and Stackbundles. It should have been easy to test this against many sessions since they all included the spin #. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to dig in and start testing with new numbers.
GLC
GLC I will start a new thread for the ZONE. And update my results. I know it is very bad what they did. But good riddence to them. Narrow minded maths heads achieve nothing.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 22, 08:18 AM 2010
Hi Buffalowizard,
Thanks for the clarification.
Hey SCOOBY YES Buff got there first. But hey I haven't got the staking just right at the moment. I am not getting a chance to. This thing is too damn good lol. I usually make decisions once I hit a wall. Like A 4LOSS in the ZONE. But I would have to lose 6 games in a row across the dozens and columns Scooby to equal a 4loss. And it hasn't materialized YET. So I am staking quite conservatively. But there are ALWAYS hits on the 5th and 6th spin. This may be close to the grail guys. Don't want to get too carried away. But I just cannot see a downside. It is (to use neg terminology) virtually mathematically impossible to have both the dozens AND columns produce too many 7 plus streaks. There has to be balance.
SATURDAY----SESSION 2 (PERFECTED THE GAME FRAME 5 A PIECE TO JUSTIFY NAME)
DOZEN 3=13-2PTS
COLUMN 2=8-2PTS
DOZEN 2=5+4PTS----(LEVEL 2 STAKES)
COLUMN 3=5+4PTS----(LEVEL 2 STAKES)----SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 2=8
COLUMN 2=6
COLUMN 1=6----DOZEN 2=10
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 1=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 6 WINS--4 LOSSES AND 4PTS PROFIT
I have revised the game frame from 10x2 to 5x2. This is a more dynamic way to play. A faster turnover as many of my sessions start well and go negative later over 10x2. This also justifies the strategy name as we begin playing from spin 5 and are also playing 5 games each for the dozens and columns. If the session is a losing one you can then play another session back to back. And things should improve. If the session is a winning one like the have ALL been at this point so far. You end it and bank those precious points.
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=53 POINTS PROFIT ON A LIVE WHEEL...
I am slightly confused with how to play exactly. Maybe you could post a session or 2 with every bet placed, won or lost, and every spin taken into account?
I got lost a little bit when I tried to play for fun.
Here is 2x5 games session using crossplay from wiesbaden 21 May 2010 - table 3:
dozen3=5 +2pts columnA=6 +1pt
dozen1=5 +2pts
dozen2=10 -2pts
dozen1=5 +2pts
----end of five games = +5pts
columnC=12 -2pts
dozen2=5 +2pts columnB=6 +1pts
dozen2=8 -2pts
columnC=5 +2pts
---end of five games = +1pts
total profit = +6pts
A.
Hey Guys, thanks for the example. Yes I am restling with the idea of logging the first 10 games or recording 5 each for both the columns and dozens. As sometimes one gets off to a flying start and and you get something like a 7/3 split by the time you have ten games. will update my last three sessions later. Had a busy weekend so am a bit behind with my records. One things for sure Atlantis. We have gold here.
Still don't want to say its the grail, BUT IT MAY WELL BE. LOL!!! ;D
P.S It really is extraordinary. With the zone when you wait for a trigger. You may still have to face down that 4th game which is 12 steps 3x4. Without the trigger it would be 16 steps 4x4. So for THE CROSSPLAY 5, the equivalent would be 7 losing games in a row and a win on the second attempt spin 6 of the 8th game. WELL, I haven't even seen 5 losing games in a row yet. Thats whats so exciting about this strategy. And the reason it can beat an RNG. It has to have BALANCE. You simply cannot get too many 7 plus streaks between the two. Its the most solid strategy I have ever seen.
I take a little credit for the addition of the 6th spin to strengthen it overall. But Atlantis needs to know, he may well have solved the biggest problem since Pascal invented this game. Through his persistence he has unknowingly DECODED ROULETTE.
If this strategy holds up for the next six months. And I see no reason why it won't. It will become my main player. And the one I will take with me to Las vegas in 2012. Very,very welldone Atlantis. Everybody needs to start playing this strategy, and thats an understatement. If I could expect to make at least 500 points to every 91pts I lose with THE ZONE. I REALLY THINK THAT WILL BE SURPASSED WITH the crossplay 5. I ALREADY HAVE over 60 sessions recorded, and the longest wait for a hit on the 5th---6th spin is 9 steps total. Most sessions produce a strike rate around 50% or better. So if I play 20 games total I can expect around 10 of them to hit on the 5th---6th spins. That statistic alone is amazing.
HOW DO YOU BEAT ROULETTE LONGTERM? THE CROSSPLAY 5*****
Bad session here. But what I would say here,is that as these sort of sessions seem so rare with the balance of 5 is that if you get a session where you get to say -3 points just quit that game completly and play another session later. Never try and chase your losses :)
[table=,]
doz,col, desc.
3,2,
1,2,
2,2,
1,2,
1,3,dozen 3 qualified
0, 0
3, 1, dozen 3 won + 1, dozen 2 qualified
3, 3, column 2 qualified
1, 3, dozen 2 lost - 1
2, 1, column 2 lost -3
3, 1 ,
3, 3, column 2 qualified
1, 2, column 2 won -1,
2, 2,
2,3, column 1 qualified
1,2, dozen 3 qualified
2,2, column 1 lost -3
3, 2, dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1, 1, column 3 qualified
2, 2,
2, 1, dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3, 2, dozen 3 won -2 points
3, 1, dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3, 1,
3, 1, dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2, 3, dozen 2 won - 6 points
3, 2,
1, 2,
3, 1,
1, 2, dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1, 3, column 3 won -4
3, 3, dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2, 3, column 1 qualified
2, 2,
2, 1, column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3, 2,
2, 1, dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3, 1,
1, 2, column 3 lost - 9 points, :o
[/table]
doz col
3 2
1 2
2 2
1 2
1 3 dozen 3 qualified
0 0
3 1 dozen 3 won + 1 dozen 2 qualified
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 3 dozen 2 lost - 1
2 1 column 2 lost -3
3 1
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 2 column 2 won -1
2 2
2 3 column 1 qualified
1 2 dozen 3 qualified
2 2 column 1 lost -3
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1 1 column 3 qualified
2 2
2 1 dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
3 1 dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3 1
3 1 dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2 3 dozen 2 won - 6 points
3 2
1 2
3 1
1 2 dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1 3 column 3 won -4
3 3 dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2 3 column 1 qualified
2 2
2 1 column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3 2
2 1 dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3 1
1 2 column 3 lost - 9 points :o
Bad session here. But what I would say here,is that as these sort of sessions seem so rare with the balance of 5 is that if you get a session where you get to say -3 points just quit that game completly and play another session later. Never try and chase your losses :)
doz col
3 2
1 2
2 2
1 2
1 3 dozen 3 qualified
0 0
3 1 dozen 3 won + 1 dozen 2 qualified
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 3 dozen 2 lost - 1
2 1 column 2 lost -3
3 1
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 2 column 2 won -1
2 2
2 3 column 1 qualified
1 2 dozen 3 qualified
2 2 column 1 lost -3
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1 1 column 3 qualified
2 2
2 1 dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
3 1 dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3 1
3 1 dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2 3 dozen 2 won - 6 points
3 2
1 2
3 1
1 2 dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1 3 column 3 won -4
3 3 dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2 3 column 1 qualified
2 2
2 1 column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3 2
2 1 dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3 1
1 2 column 3 lost - 9 points :o
Bad session here. But what I would say here,is that as these sort of sessions seem so rare with the balance of 5 is that if you get a session where you get to say -3 points just quit that game completly and play another session later. Never try and chase your losses :)
doz col
3 2
1 2
2 2
1 2
1 3 dozen 3 qualified
0 0
3 1 dozen 3 won + 1 dozen 2 qualified
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 3 dozen 2 lost - 1
2 1 column 2 lost -3
3 1
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 2 column 2 won -1
2 2
2 3 column 1 qualified
1 2 dozen 3 qualified
2 2 column 1 lost -3
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1 1 column 3 qualified
2 2
2 1 dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
3 1 dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3 1
3 1 dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2 3 dozen 2 won - 6 points
3 2
1 2
3 1
1 2 dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1 3 column 3 won -4
3 3 dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2 3 column 1 qualified
2 2
2 1 column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3 2
2 1 dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3 1
1 2 column 3 lost - 9 points :o
Bad session here. But what I would say here,is that as these sort of sessions seem so rare with the balance of 5 is that if you get a session where you get to say -3 points just quit that game completly and play another session later. Never try and chase your losses :)
doz col
3 2
1 2
2 2
1 2
1 3 dozen 3 qualified
0 0
3 1 dozen 3 won + 1 dozen 2 qualified
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 3 dozen 2 lost - 1
2 1 column 2 lost -3
3 1
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 2 column 2 won -1
2 2
2 3 column 1 qualified
1 2 dozen 3 qualified
2 2 column 1 lost -3
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1 1 column 3 qualified
2 2
2 1 dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
3 1 dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3 1
3 1 dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2 3 dozen 2 won - 6 points
3 2
1 2
3 1
1 2 dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1 3 column 3 won -4
3 3 dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2 3 column 1 qualified
2 2
2 1 column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3 2
2 1 dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3 1
1 2 column 3 lost - 9 points :o
Quote from: moles40 on May 24, 06:07 AM 2010
Bad session here. But what I would say here,is that as these sort of sessions seem so rare with the balance of 5 is that if you get a session where you get to say -3 points just quit that game completly and play another session later. Never try and chase your losses :)
doz col
3 2
1 2
2 2
1 2
1 3 dozen 3 qualified
0 0
3 1 dozen 3 won + 1 dozen 2 qualified
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 3 dozen 2 lost - 1
2 1 column 2 lost -3
3 1
3 3 column 2 qualified
1 2 column 2 won -1
2 2
2 3 column 1 qualified
1 2 dozen 3 qualified
2 2 column 1 lost -3
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
I quit then session going nowhere,looked what happened next-yuck :(
1 1 column 3 qualified
2 2
2 1 dozen 3 qualified column 3 lost - 4 points
3 2 dozen 3 won -2 points
3 1 dozen 1 qualified column 3 qualified
3 1
3 1 dozen 1 lost - 6 points column 3 lost - 8 points dozen 2 qualified
2 3 dozen 2 won - 6 points
3 2
1 2
3 1
1 2 dozen 2 qualified column 3 qualified
1 3 column 3 won -4
3 3 dozen 2 lost - 6 points
2 3 column 1 qualified
2 2
2 1 column 1 won - 5 dozen 1 qualified
3 2
2 1 dozen 1 lost - 7 points column 3 qualified
3 1
1 2 column 3 lost - 9 points :o
Moles try to display your results similar to how I do if you can.It will make reading them alot easier. I cannot work out how many losing games in a row you had. So if you put it in this format like below we can read it and I can tell you what you should have done. Unless you are losing 7 games on the trot you never had a bad session. You will recover that quickly when you realize the strike rate of this strategy is second to none. Play no more than 20 games total in a session ideally 10 for dozens and 10 for columns. So lets say you reach 10 completed games for dozens. But only have 6 completed games for columns. You now bet on the next 4 games for columns ONLY. To make up the tally.
Try that and what the strike rate improve. Here is how I would like you to disply your results for easy reading.
DOZEN 1=5+2PTS
COLUMN 3=8-2PTS
DOZEN 2=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----COLUMN 3=6+1PT----(IF THEY QUALIFY SIMULTANEOUSLY)
That makes for easy reading Moles, then we can see what strike rate and losing gaps you are getting quickly. And then how you apply staking to bring back the profits in a hurry.
Good afternoon good people. I have two sessions of results to post here. The crossplay 5 is really performing well. On every front. You play a live wheel you win for certain. You play an RNG you win at least short term sessions. I haven't put it to the test for longer runs YET. Okay here is yesterdays and todays results for the CROSSPLAY 5.
SUNDAY
DOZEN 2=6+1PT
COLUMN 1=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=12
DOZEN 2=5----COLUMN 3=7
DOZEN 1=7
COLUMN 3=5
COLUMN 3=6----DOZEN 1=7----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 6 WINS--4 LOSSES--4PTS PROFIT.
MONDAY
DOZEN 3=5+2PTS
COLUMN 1=5+2PTS
DOZEN 2=8-2PTS----COLUMN 3=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 1=6
COLUMN 1=9
DOZEN 3=9----COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 1=12
COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 6 WINS--4 LOSSES--4PTS PROFIT.
I like the 5 a piece format it suits my short playing style perfectly.
RUNNING BALANCE 61 POINTS PROFIT SINCE 17/05/2010
Thank you for posting this interesting method!
Quote from: dennisbelle on May 24, 06:11 PM 2010
Thank you for posting this interesting method!
You're welcome dennisbelle. If you have any queeries about its execution don't hesitate to ask. here are the results of my morning session
TUESDAY
DOZEN 2=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
DOZEN 1=7-2PTS
COLUMN 2=5+4PTS--(DOUBLE STAKES)
COLUMN 1=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 3PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 1=11
COLUMN 3=6
DOZEN 3=10----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5--WINS 5--LOSSES AND 3PTS PROFIT. It is remarkable how the hits on the 5th and 6th spin balance out to around 50% strikerate. That is the power of this strategy. Knowing that the vast majority of sessions will be close or on the 50% strikerate. ;D
Session 2 for today was my first test. With a run of 5 losing games. But my confidence in the strike rate of this strategy is becoming greater by the day. And even with that run I played a full 10 games each for both the dozens and columns and it pulled back over that number. To end with a 45% strike rate.
TUESDAY----SESSION 2
DOZEN 1=6+1PT
COLUMN 1=8-2PTS
COLUMN 2=7-2PTS
DOZEN 1=12-5PTS----(LEVEL 2 STAKES 2--3)
DOZEN 3=8-5PTS----COLUMN 2=11-5PTS
DOZEN 2=5+10PTS----(LEVEL 3 STAKES 5--7--WHEN YOU LOSE 5 GAMES IN A ROW)
DOZEN 1=5+10PTS----(REMAIN AT LEVEL 3 STAKES FOR 2 WINS)
COLUMN 1=6+1PT
COLUMN 2=7-2PTS
DOZEN 3=5+2PTS----COLUMN 1=6+1PT----SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=8
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 2=9
DOZEN 2=5
COLUMN 1=7
DOZEN 2=10
DOZEN 3=8----FULL SESSION COMPLETE WITH 9--WINS--11 LOSSES AND 4PTS PROFIT. I will only play a full session if I get off to a bad start as I did here. This is the first 5 loss I have had in 61 sessions. That is excellent as its not even the equivalent of a 4loss in THE ZONE.
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=68 POINTS PROFIT ON A LIVE WHEEL
A little explanation of how confidence is built from seeing a re-ocurring strike rate repeat over time. Here is a list of the strike rate percentages for my last 20 sessions, from the furthest back to the one I played here
(01)---65%=13/7
(02)---50%=10/10
(03)---45%=9/11
(04)---55%=11/9
(05)---45%=9/11
(06)---35%=7/13
(07)---50%=10/10
(08)---60%=12/8
(09)---60%=12/8
(10)---50%=10/10
(11)---50%=10/10
(12)---55%=11/9
(13)---55%=11/9
(14)---50%=10/10
(15)---45%=9/11
(16)---60%=12/8
(17)---50%=10/10
(18)---45%=9/11
(19)---55%=11/9
(20)---45%=9/11
This is what I have been talking about from the beginning. Its the same thing with THE ZONE. Once you find a strike rate high enough and consistent over time. You have gone clear. And are now in control of a game that is supposed to be erratic, random, seamless and unpredictable. THE CROSSPLAY 5 is a gem like THE ZONE because overall it maintains a strikerate around the 50% level for a 2 shot play on a 2--1 chance. That is REMARKABLE. When you consider that a losing streak can be anything from 1 to 29---(longest I have ever recorded for a 2---1 chance). And yet the 5th and 6th spin control on average 50% of the market from spin 5 to infinity.
THE 4TH GAME gives THE ZONE its power. The remarkable consistency of that strike rate gives THE CROSSPLAY 5 its power. What it tells me is this. Even if I have a bad session like today or the one where the strikerate was only 35%. Overall the 50% mark is the STANDARD. House edge, negative expectancy are not even on the playing field with these strategies. Thats why they will always make a profit. You rely on a consistency that is remarkable and nothing else for your success. YOU THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
Mathematicians and the like cannot divorce their thoughts from all that has been taught (much of it flawed) in the past. That is why they cannot accept/understand. That there is a different way of approaching this game. You run it like a business. You measure its worth (A STRATEGY) By how it performs to the standard bearer of percentages the number 100. If it produces a consistency overtime. YOU HAVE A WINNER. It now matters not whether you stake 5,10,20 times your normal rate at certain times. The return is a virtual certainty. You have removed much of the risk associated with gambling. Because the percentages/strikerate assure the outcome over time. The CROSSPLAY 5 is the most perfect strategy I have yet seen. I am not yet 100% sure if it will hold up over the next 10 years like THE ZONE.
But it is the first STRATEGY I have yet seen that an RNG CANNOT DEFEAT. At least not over a 20 game session. AND THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED.
Casino Wiesbaden 24 May 2010 - Table 3
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DOZ3=8 -2PTS COLA=5+2PTS
DOZ2=6 +1PTS
DOZ3=6 +1PTS
COLA=6 +1PTS
---end of 5 games = +3PTS
DOZ2=6 +1PTS COLC=5 +2PTS
DOZ3=5 +2PTS
DOZ1=5 +2PTS
DOZ1=8 -2PTS
--- end of 2nd set of 5 = +5PTS
TOTAL PROFITS = +8PTS
Fender, after playing nine games there were 2 qualifiers, a doz and a column, which presented themselves for the final tenth game of the session. . . I chose to wait until there was just a single qualifier so as not to play more than 10 in that session.
Atlantis.
Quote from: atlantis on May 25, 12:17 PM 2010
Casino Wiesbaden 24 May 2010 - Table 3
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DOZ3=8 -2PTS COLA=5+2PTS
DOZ2=6 +1PTS
DOZ3=6 +1PTS
COLA=6 +1PTS
---end of 5 games = +3PTS
DOZ2=6 +1PTS COLC=5 +2PTS
DOZ3=5 +2PTS
DOZ1=5 +2PTS
DOZ1=8 -2PTS
--- end of 2nd set of 5 = +5PTS
TOTAL PROFITS = +8PTS
Fender, after playing nine games there were 2 qualifiers, a doz and a column, which presented themselves for the final tenth game of the session. . . I chose to wait until there was just a single qualifier so as not to play more than 10 in that session.
Atlantis.
Hi Atlantis, well your baby is looking very good. Made me laugh today. I was playing the 3rd and final session today. and a 3loss occured in the dozens. I was thinking I haven't seen one of these for ages in THE ZONE. But as if to solidify my belief it delivered bang on the 5th spin with the phenomenal 4th game. I got the win as part of THE CROSSPLAY 5 though. Lol!!! Will update later. BTW have now beaten an RNG 47 TIMES with this baby. Vegas is gonna be in trouble. You wanna come ATLANTIS??? ::)
Quote from: FENDER1000 link=topic=157. msg971#msg971 date=1274811566
Vegas is gonna be in trouble.
Hi Fender,haven't played last couple days,been outside enjoying the weather and the babes on the beach as I live by the sea ;D :D
Regarding Vegas do you have some sort of overview on how you are going to bring vegas to its knees ;D
Maybe a whole group of us could go out their together to really bring those casino's onto their knees ;D
Is 2012 a special year for you? maybe a special Birthday or something?
Quote from: moles40 on May 25, 04:44 PM 2010
Hi Fender,haven't played last couple days,been outside enjoying the weather and the babes on the beach as I live by the sea ;D :D
Regarding Vegas do you have some sort of overview on how you are going to bring vegas to its knees ;D
Maybe a whole group of us could go out their together to really bring those casino's onto their knees ;D
Is 2012 a special year for you? maybe a special Birthday or something?
I will be there from 29/12/10 to 05/01/11-hotel and casino
Stratosphere/as they have single zero/ there/---so see you over there.
FENDER DO YOU HAVE TO PLAY BOTH DOZENS AND COLUMS. THANKS WARRIOR.
Hi Fender,
Today I played CROSSPLAY 5 for REAL with real money on Ladbrokes Live Slingshot Roulette at ladbrokes online dot com. I'm only playing 0. 5 a point.
Progression I am using is:
0. 5, 0. 5
1,1
2,3
and if ever needed
5,7
I'm playing only on the 5th and 6th spins after the qualifying trigger and I only increase the progression level after 2 straight losing games; as you do.
I'm pleased to say I finished my first session ahead by +6pts (would have been more if I hadn't made a mistake)
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: warrior on May 25, 10:49 PM 2010
FENDER DO YOU HAVE TO PLAY BOTH DOZENS AND COLUMS. THANKS WARRIOR.
GEEZ DON'T ALL RUSH AT ONCE LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Warrior how r you? Yes thats the power, when one goes off the other one is usually laying hits on the 5th 6th spin. Funny thing I have noticed since I started playing the crossplay 5. The columns may not produce as many hits on 5 or 6 on average. But I haven't even seen a 3loss yet. Thats interesting in the same time I have seen 3 3losses for the dozens. Regarding your question about 8th spin hits for THE ZONE. They make up 14% of the market approx for spins 5-----8. Of course 5 and 6 have 63% and spin 7 23%. I think I know why you asked Warrior. You want to know do they justify the 3pts we lay on them as they are the last fence before hell. I have asked myself that question in the past.
The thing is this Warrior we should be placing more on spin 6. but most casinos don't allow less thatn a pound or I would have stakes 1,1.5,2,2.5 giving spins 7 & 8 more of a recovery role. As most of the profit is made on spins 5 and 6. The only way to get around this is stake 2,3,4,5 at casinos that don't allow less that a 1 pound stake. Once you have a 500pt bankroll this is a good idea.
Quote from: atlantis on May 26, 10:47 AM 2010
Hi Fender,
Today I played CROSSPLAY 5 for REAL with real money on Ladbrokes Live Slingshot Roulette at ladbrokes online dot com. I'm only playing 0. 5 a point.
Progression I am using is:
0. 5, 0. 5
1,1
2,3
and if ever needed
5,7
I'm playing only on the 5th and 6th spins after the qualifying trigger and I only increase the progression level after 2 straight losing games; as you do.
I'm pleased to say I finished my first session ahead by +6pts (would have been more if I hadn't made a mistake)
Cheers,
A.
Great Atlantis. I would love it if you could make Vegas in 2012. This strategy will take them to pieces. Thats the only problem with slingshot, they are a little tooooooo quick sometimes you hardly have time to respond to the results. Especially with two sections like we are covering.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on May 25, 04:53 PM 2010
I will be there from 29/12/10 to 05/01/11-hotel and casino
Stratosphere/as they have single zero/ there/---so see you over there.
Oh man! I love the stratosphere have they still got those two crazy rides at the top?
One is that coaster that takes you around the top of the tower at 1000ft-dont look down!!!,then the other is that ride that slowly takes you up another 150ft on a pole then suddenly drops you straight back down ;D
How many of the big casinos have a zero wheel in them?as even Fender's system wont survive the dreaded double zero wheel. :o
Thats what I like a nice quick session ;D
Dozen 1=5+1 pts column 1=6+2pts
Dozen 2 = 5 + 2pts
Total profit + 5 points
Quote from: moles40 on May 26, 02:39 PM 2010
Oh man! I love the stratosphere have they still got those two crazy rides at the top?
One is that coaster that takes you around the top of the tower at 1000ft-dont look down!!!,then the other is that ride that slowly takes you up another 150ft on a pole then suddenly drops you straight back down ;D
How many of the big casinos have a zero wheel in them?as even Fender's system wont survive the dreaded double zero wheel. :o
--SINGLE ZERO IN LV
--CES.PALACE
--HILTON
--MONTE CARLO
--NEVADA PALACE
--PARIS
--STRATOSPHERE
--VENETIAN
--EN PRISON-RULES
--BELLAGIO
--MGM GRAND
--MIRAGE
--RIO SUITES
--WYNN
---From above selected from my tourist agency,I decided for S tratosphere.
Quote from: moles40 on May 26, 02:39 PM 2010
Oh man! I love the stratosphere have they still got those two crazy rides at the top?
One is that coaster that takes you around the top of the tower at 1000ft-dont look down!!!,then the other is that ride that slowly takes you up another 150ft on a pole then suddenly drops you straight back down ;D
How many of the big casinos have a zero wheel in them?as even Fender's system wont survive the dreaded double zero wheel. :o
Hey don't be so sure moles. I think the crossplay could survive a nuclear war. Its phenomenal.
Fender wrote:
Quote
Hey don't be so sure moles. I think the crossplay could survive a nuclear war. Its phenomenal.
:) It keeps surviving.
I played another session at ladbrokes live slingshot and won another 6 units (0. 5 units that is)
Just playing slow and steady - not getting too greedy. Not increasing unit size until I have played more winning sessions with the small stakes and built up my bank a bit.
Started with Ã,£50 deposited earlier today and now standing at Ã,£56.
A.
Moles try to display your results similar to how I do if you can. It will make reading them alot easier. I cannot work out how many losing games in a row you had. So if you put it in this format like below we can read it and I can tell you what you should have done. Unless you are losing 7 games on the trot you never had a bad session. You will recover that quickly when you realize the strike rate of this strategy is second to none. Play no more than 20 games total in a session ideally 10 for dozens and 10 for columns. So lets say you reach 10 completed games for dozens. But only have 6 completed games for columns. You now bet on the next 4 games for columns ONLY. To make up the tally.
Try that and what the strike rate improve. Here is how I would like you to disply your results for easy reading.
DOZEN 1=5+2PTS
COLUMN 3=8-2PTS
DOZEN 2=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----COLUMN 3=6+1PT----(IF THEY QUALIFY SIMULTANEOUSLY)
That makes for easy reading Moles, then we can see what strike rate and losing gaps you are getting quickly. And then how you apply staking to bring back the profits in a hurry.
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Hi guys,
I am a newbie so therefore am playing the newbie style. Have been testing this out and am impressed so far. One of the other reasons I am starting out on "newbie" way is because our casino on live game has a $10min on doz. We do have RNG we can play $1 but I prefer live game.
I have got the game figured out so I hope you dont mind assisting me in understanding the way you lay out the results so I can follow how you have won or lost. I have looked at it and can't quite figure it out. I have been doing it like Moles , in long hand style.
Also on another note I am so pleased after having been on VLS for a couple of years how great it is to see people working together, without the criticism, working towards definitive goals.
Thanks and much appreciated
Crikey
Hi Fender,
Quote
Thats the only problem with slingshot, they are a little tooooooo quick sometimes you hardly have time to respond to the results. Especially with two sections like we are covering.
It is fairly quick but I can cope with it so far. Are you using the Premier Online Roulette game (r. n. g. ) with 25p stakes for the CROSSPLAY 5?
I also have a question: When I lose a game (5th/6th spin) should I wait until I can record when the hit occurs first (for example say it finally hits on the 10th spin) before I look for a new qualifier?
Or can I bet on another qualifier that may occur on the other chance (doz or col) while I wait for the losing game to eventually hit?
I have been doing it the second way - what about you??
Cheers,
A.
column 3 =5+2pts
dozen 3 =10-2pts
column 1 =7-2pts
dozen 3= 6-2pts
column 2 then qualified the same time as the 6th spin on column1
what would you have done here fender played the 2nd chance
on column 1 or the 5th spin or 1st chance on column2
I played 6th spin and lost,column 2 won instead lol;)
dozen 3 =6 +1pt
dozen 3 =8 -2 pts
dozen 2=6 +1 qualified the same time as 2nd chance on dozen 3
so only bet on dozen 2 on the 6th spin
column 2=17-2pts
column 2=13-2 pts gave up:(
Total -8 pts :'(
Quote from: atlantis link=topic=157. msg1042#msg1042 date=1274944256
Hi Fender,
It is fairly quick but I can cope with it so far. Are you using the Premier Online Roulette game (r. n. g. ) with 25p stakes for the CROSSPLAY 5?
I also have a question: When I lose a game (5th/6th spin) should I wait until I can record when the hit occurs first (for example say it finally hits on the 10th spin) before I look for a new qualifier?
Or can I bet on another qualifier that may occur on the other chance (doz or col) while I wait for the losing game to eventually hit?
I have been doing it the second way - what about you??
Cheers,
A.
Hi Fender,
Another scenario is when you have a losing DOZEN and ANOTHER qualifier then occurs on the DOZENS but happens BEFORE the losing dozen HITS eg:
3,2,1,2,2 - Here dozen 3 qualifies (4 misses) - so we bet on 5th and 6th
3,2,1,2,2,2,2 - and lose! Dozen 1 has now also qualified. . . (4 misses)
In this situation I prefer to WAIT for losing dozen 3 to hit first. Why? Well there's always a chance that dozen 3 will come to hit in the normal ZONE (5-8) and if I am betting the new dozen 1 at the time then I could LOSE. . .
However I will still play a qualifier on the COLUMNS if one is indicated while I am awaiting the losing dozen to appear (and vice versa)
A.
What happens when say dozen 2 qualifies and misses on the 5th spin and then on the 6th spin dozen 1 also qualifies what would you do then,play the 6th spin on dozen 2 or the 5th spin on dozen 1 :-\ :-\
Quote from: moles40 on May 27, 07:18 AM 2010
What happens when say dozen 2 qualifies and misses on the 5th spin and then on the 6th spin dozen 1 also qualifies what would you do then,play the 6th spin on dozen 2 or the 5th spin on dozen 1 :-\ :-\
I am only ever playing a single dozen or a single column at any time, moles.
And I think Fender does the same.
However in the crossplay you could be playing 1 dozen and 1 column simultaneously.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 27, 07:22 AM 2010
I am only ever playing a single dozen or a single column at any time, moles.
And I think Fender does the same.
However in the crossplay you could be playing 1 dozen and 1 column simultaneously.
A.
Yes but what do you do if say you are playing dozen 3 and it misses on the 5th spin then on the 6th spin dozen 2 also qualifies as it has now gone 4 misses without hitting.
eg 3211111 :-\
Quote from: moles40 on May 27, 07:29 AM 2010
Yes but what do you do if say you are playing dozen 3 and it misses on the 5th spin then on the 6th spin dozen 2 also qualifies as it has now gone 4 misses without hitting.
eg 3211111 :-\
Good question Moles, I will use the same policy I use for the Zone, if the dozen that has just qualified lost its two previous games BET. If it didn't ignore it. We don't EVER want to be covering more than 2 chances at the same time if possible.
The crossplay is an amazing strategy, lets make that clear. I haven't seen anything take an rng apart like this before. I have won 57 sessions on one now. I am only playing 1 session per day as I am also playing the ZONE and two other strategies. One created by STACKBUNDLES, THE OTHER BY SCOOBY. Both have excellent consistency and potential. I want 4 amazing strategies in my bag when I hit VEGAS in 2012. One I know already is a semi grail. The others have some way to go yet. But if they are still producing the goods this time next year. They are a LOCK. And will be used in Sin City, Atlantic City and monte Carlo, in the next few years.
WEDNESDAY
DOZEN 1=5+2PTS
DOZEN 3=6+1PT
DOZEN 1=8-2PTS
COLUMN 2=6+1PT
COLUMN 3=9-2PTS----DOZEN 1=5+2PTS
COLUMN 1=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 2=13
COLUMN 3=8
COLUMN 2=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES--AND 4 POINTS PROFIT
THURSDAY
COLUMN 1=6+1PT
DOZEN 2+5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 3PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=21
COLUMN 3=6
DOZEN 1=9
DOZEN 2=6
COLUMN 1=5----DOZEN 1=10
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 3=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 6 WINS--4 LOSSES--AND 3 POINTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=75 POINTS PROFIT--WINNING STREAK 18
Notice how early I ended todays session. I am realizing that if you win 2 or 3 games in the beginning losses will be next. You guys should take this onboard. Never play a full session if you win 3 or 4 points early. Otherwise the odds are you will give it back. With a 5 a piece frame for dozens and columns 3--6 points is as good as you will do at level 1 stakes.
Yes Atlantis Ladbrokes premier RNG 25p stakes. Simply cannot deal with THE CROSSPLAY 5. I couldn't win on there with THE ZONE. You would get too many 4losses Atlantis. Even saw a 6loss once. BUT, the problem is you simply cannot make both the dozens and columns go on holiday at the same time. Which has me thinking maybe THE ZONE PLAYED CROSSPLAY STYLE IS THE GRAIL LOL! ;D
Afterall. THE COLUMNS HAVE YET TO SHOW ME EVEN A 3LOSS. I never really gave them the attention I gave the dozens, once I decided the dozens hit more 5th spins. But it could be that the ZONE would be even stronger played on the columns. I will give you my findings over the coming months.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 27, 09:27 AM 2010
Yes Atlantis Ladbrokes premier RNG 25p stakes. Simply cannot deal with THE CROSSPLAY 5.
I might try that one to get more time... Can you make the wheel spin without betting to track for qualifiers?
Quote
Never play a full session if you win 3 or 4 points early. Otherwise the odds are you will give it back. With a 5 a piece frame for dozens and columns 3--6 points is as good as you will do at level 1 stakes.
This I concur with. It is v.good advice.
Also, would be grateful for your take on the couple of playing scenarios I posed earlier on today. Thanks.
A.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 27, 09:12 AM 2010
Notice how early I ended todays session. I am realizing that if you win 2 or 3 games in the beginning losses will be next. You guys should take this onboard. Never play a full session if you win 3 or 4 points early. Otherwise the odds are you will give it back. With a 5 a piece frame for dozens and columns 3--6 points is as good as you will do at level 1 stakes.
I think you should also add that if your session gets off to a bad start for example you get to -3 points than quit that session,as I notice you had one game earlier where you were down -20 points ok you recovered but you were risking too much of your profit if that game had not recovered.
Also its easy to recover 3 points as most games quickly win 2 -5 points,I only seem to get the odd game that starts off poor.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on May 26, 05:28 PM 2010
--SINGLE ZERO IN LV
--CES.PALACE
--HILTON
--MONTE CARLO
--NEVADA PALACE
--PARIS
--STRATOSPHERE
--VENETIAN
--EN PRISON-RULES
--BELLAGIO
--MGM GRAND
--MIRAGE
--RIO SUITES
--WYNN
---From above selected from my tourist agency,I decided for S tratosphere.
Wow thats quite a big list of casinos that have the single zero wheel,more than enough to bring those casinos to their knees ;D
Thanks for posting that.
The Bellagio and Mirage are gonna hope they're seeing a mirage once I hit them in 2012. ;D
Yo fender i hope its before 21st of dec 2012 the world ends remember
Questions for Fender although anyone can chip in.
From your first post the trigger is just wait for a sleep of four?
What do you do if two dozens or two columns qualify at the same time? I've seen four qualifiers.
I see tyhat you have now added another level of progression. Is this another work on progress?
After reading some of the posts of success I think I must be playing a completely different game on another planet. I seem to be blessed with perpetual bad luck. Is there anyone else out there that this is not working for?
Trebor
QuoteIs there anyone else out there that this is not working for?
You are on my planet mate, there's plenty of us here already, we have tried all Fenders methods and can't make profit (without high risk after losses), welcome to our world.
I am not negative towards fender or his methods, they don't work FOR ME I replied as a question was asked of the failures who tried this method, I am one of them, there are others.
Another dreadful session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. :'( :'( ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.
d c
3 3
1 1
3 3
2 2
1 1
1 1
1 3
3 1
3 1
2 1
2 2
1 2
3 1
1 1
2 3
3 3
2 3
3 1
3 1
1 1
1 1
3 3
1 1
2 2
1 1
1 1
3 3
3 3
1 3
1 3
1 2
2 3
1 2
2 1
2 2
1 1
2 3
2 3
3 1
Hi Moles,
I prefer to track horizontally left to right
1,2,1,3,1,1...etc
I find it much easier to work out what I should be betting. I also circle the dozen I am going to bet on so as not to forget. In the above case it is doz 2 that qualifies having missed 4 times - so I circle the 2. After I win or lose I simply put an X through the circle to indicate that game is over.
A.
Quote from: moles40 on May 28, 04:38 PM 2010
Another dreadful session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. :'( :'( ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.
d c
3 3
1 1
3 3
2 2
1 1
1 1
1 3
3 1
3 1
2 1
2 2
1 2
3 1
1 1
2 3
3 3
2 3
3 1
3 1
1 1
1 1
3 3
1 1
2 2
1 1
1 1
3 3
3 3
1 3
1 3
1 2
2 3
1 2
2 1
2 2
1 1
2 3
2 3
3 1
Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at. I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie. Because there is alot to consider. The zone take one ot the other at a time. Not both together. I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone. I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC. That is instantly understandable to me. Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime. I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES. Thats one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session. Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone. I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not.
Quote from: atlantis on May 27, 10:24 AM 2010
I might try that one to get more time... Can you make the wheel spin without betting to track for qualifiers?
This I concur with. It is v.good advice.
Also, would be grateful for your take on the couple of playing scenarios I posed earlier on today. Thanks.
A.
I am telling you Atlantis. Like I said on VLS and they didn't get it there. APPLICATION OF A STRATEGY IS CRUCIAL. Think like a poker player. Does a poker player bet the same amount and play every hand. Of course not he would lose. GET THAT PROFIT And GET OUT. If you made 4 times 2 points from 4 sessions. It would be better than trying to win 8 points in one session. Do you know how many 4losses I dodged by not completing the whole session for the ZONE over the years Atlantis. **19**. I had 22 in the sessions I played but only got hit by 3 of them at the very start of my session. The other ones I missed happenned in the second half of the session I WASN'T HOME. I am trying to get this through to everyone THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN. That is FACT.
Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at. I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie. Because there is a lot to consider. The zone take one ot the other at a time. Not both together. I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone. I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC. That is instantly understandable to me. Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime. I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES. that's one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session. Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone. I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not.
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Hi Fender
I would also appreciate some help with how you display the results as I posted earlier.
Does the above mean Dozen 1 qualified and lost on the progression of 1,2,2?
Also as I am new I was looking for the Zone is it the game posted on this forum earlier and is that how you play it.
Thanks Crikey
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 28, 05:17 PM 2010
Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at. I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie. Because there is a lot to consider. The zone take one ot the other at a time. Not both together. I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone. I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC. That is instantly understandable to me. Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime. I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES. that's one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session. Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone. I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not.
The problem is its not hitting regular enough on spins 5 and 6.I'm playing this at a variety of live online wheels,Dublin bet,21 nova, super casino and its the same result.
This method is fine if you start of well but otherwise its doesn't appear to hold up.
Remember at the end of the day your only giving yourself two chances to win on a bet with only a33% chance of winning.
I've actually been trying this on the EC bets-wait for any EC chance to miss four times then bet it will hit on either spin 5 or 6- and the results have been very impressive. :)
Hi Moles40,
If I may, let me answer for Fender. Here's what he would like to see so he can check out what is happening:
Doz. 1 9=-2
Doz. 3 7=-2
Doz. 2 8=-2 etc.
As far as having only a 33% chance of winning....That is not correct. Let me demonstrate.
These are the only possible outcomes of 2 decisions coming after the qualifying four decisions comprising only two dozens:
11,12,13 - 22,21,23 - 33,31,32
If you will notice, in each group of 4 dozens with only two dozens showing, you would have 5 winners out of the nine outcomes from above. (Example- Dozens 1221: 13, 23, 33, 31, 32 Winners......11, 12, 22, 21 Losers)
Five out of nine posibilities is 55.55% not 33%
Fender really wants to help you but he has to see what you are doing, not just telling him you are not getting hits on spin 5 & 6
Scooby Doo
---THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN----
In other words the method you are betting is not stable
as I find the more I bet the more I win,but with different method.
As if any method is considered a winning one why short betting then.
I can't grasp the philosophy behind above statements. 8)
The problem is not being a newbie, it's simple enough to follow two sequences. It's not bank roll or attitude, I'm playing with very small stakes. It's not being greedy or inflexible, I'd happily stop, and do, with 3 or four points after a few games. What it is is that I win a couple of sessions and then have a bad one that takes me back to square one.
I've just looked at Fenders posted sessions again and can say without question that I would have won just like Fender with those sequences.
Mostly I have been using the live wheel with Betfred (Playtech).
All Fenders systems rely on the progression to make a profit but need the sequences to be workable. If you can marry the right progression to the right system of "unlikely to occur very often" bad sequences this will work. But what do I know.
I'm still looking.
Trebor
Quote from: moles40 on May 28, 04:38 PM 2010
Another dreadful session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. :'( :'( ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.
d c
3 3
1 1
3 3
2 2
1 1
1 1
1 3
3 1
3 1
2 1
2 2
1 2
3 1
1 1
2 3
3 3
2 3
3 1
3 1
1 1
1 1
3 3
1 1
2 2
1 1
1 1
3 3
3 3
1 3
1 3
1 2
2 3
1 2
2 1
2 2
1 1
2 3
2 3
3 1
Here are the actual results
Dozen 3 (5) +2pts
column 2(7) -2pts
Dozen 1(6) +1pts
column 3(8 -2pts
dozen 2(7) -2pts
column 2(12)-2pts
dozen 3(5) +2pts
column 1(6) +1pts
dozen 2(8 -2pts
column 2(7) -2pts
dozen 3(11) -2 pts
column 3(5) +2pts
Total -5pts
However if you had played "the zone" instead you would have had the casino begging for mercy ;D
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 29, 04:50 AM 2010
Hi Moles40,
If I may, let me answer for Fender. Here's what he would like to see so he can check out what is happening:
Doz. 1 9=-2
Doz. 3 7=-2
Doz. 2 8=-2 etc.
As far as having only a 33% chance of winning....That is not correct. Let me demonstrate.
These are the only possible outcomes of 2 decisions coming after the qualifying four decisions comprising only two dozens:
11,12,13 - 22,21,23 - 33,31,32
If you will notice, in each group of 4 dozens with only two dozens showing, you would have 5 winners out of the nine outcomes from above. (Example- Dozens 1221: 13, 23, 33, 31, 32 Winners......11, 12, 22, 21 Losers)
Five out of nine posibilities is 55.55% not 33%
Fender really wants to help you but he has to see what you are doing, not just telling him you are not getting hits on spin 5 & 6
Scooby Doo
Sorry Scooby I do not understand if we are betting on one dozen or one column the odds are just over 33% that the dozen or column will hit .How can it be 55.55% :-\
Moles40,
The 55.55% is if you are only betting on either one dozen or colume at a time, which is most of the time. You are right, it's 33% if betting both at the same time.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: moles40 on May 29, 10:13 AM 2010
Here are the actual results
Dozen 3 (5) +2pts----(level 1 stakes=1,1)
column 2(7) -2pts
Dozen 1(6) +1pts
column 3(8 -2pts
dozen 2(7) -2pts
column 2(12)-2pts-----(-5pts)----level 2 stakes---(2,3)
dozen 3(5) +2pts------(+10pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
column 1(6) +1pts----(+9pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
dozen 2(8 -2pts
column 2(7) -2pts
dozen 3(11) -2 pts----(-5pts)----level 2 stakes--(2,3)
column 3(5) +2pts----(+10pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
Total -5pts------Balance if staking correctly=12 points profit
However if you had played "the zone" instead you would have had the casino begging for mercy ;D
That's BETTER MOLES!!!!!!!!!!Now I can see why you are losing points WHERE IS THE LEVEL 2 STAKES AFTER LOSING 2 GAMES & THE LEVEL 3 STAKES AFTER LOSING 3 GAMES ? I have superimposed the correct staking next to you results. You should have finished that session 12pts in profit. Also something I have been thinking about for awhile. And I first had this thought with the zone. Because the majority of hits come on the 5th and 6th spin for the zone the 6th spin should return the same profit. But in order to do this you would have to beable to bet 1,1.5----Now most casinos have minumum bet of Ã,£1.00 so this isn't possible. The only way to do it is 2,3----But you have to start from 2 points.
CORRECT STAKING
LEVEL 1 STAKES 1,1---TO BE USED ON TWO GAMES IN A ROW if they both lose you go to
LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3---TO BE USED ON THIRD GAME IF THIS LOSES you go to
LEVEL 3 STAKES 5,7---You remain at this level until you win two games consecutive or not
LEVEL 4 STAKES 10,15---THIS IS TO BE USED IF YOU LOSE 5 GAMES IN A ROW. You are now in 4loss territory for the zone. You stay at this level for one win then drop back to 1.
Then you drop back down to level 1. If you lose 4 or 5 games in a row. Which you could. You remain at this level for the rest of the session. This staking over 4 games puts 44pts at risk. Still very reasonable compared to the 91 at risk for the zone. You WILL need it at some point. The thing to realize is a bad session WILL be followed by a GOOD ONE. I assure you of this. If I had a losing session I will play another one IMMEDIATELY afterwards. And I will go for gold as I know it will recover the previous losses. LOSSES ARE TEMPORARY MOLES Believe that. ;D
I know the ZONE is a semi grail already Moles, its has stood for 11 years. It has nothing to prove to me especially played strictly with the trigger. THE CROSSPLAY 5 is an excellent strategy Moles what you have to understand is with the ZONE when you arrive at the phenomenal 4th game you have essentially lost 8 bets not including the trigger. Do you realize this? So imagine we used the equivalent trigger for the CROSSPLAY 5, it would mean sitting OUT two losing games. So we would have to wait for say a 7 and 8 before going after the next qualifier. NOW how about giving that a try with the CROSSPLAY 5. And using the staking I have shown. Now what is BETTER???
THE ZONES POWER COMES FROM THE TRIGGERS AND CONSISTENCY OF THE 4TH GAME. Maybe we need triggers with THE CROSSPLAY 5. With triggers THIS STRATEGY IS THE GRAIL as far as I am concerned. Its a no lose proposition. I have been thinking about it. BUT REMEMBER, this isn't my baby. Its ATLANTIS'S he has to have a say in this really. I think with triggers it has no equal personally. As you rarely lose more than 4 or 5 games in a row. So sitting out the first two makes it a GRAIL. Atlantis I need your input on this. With triggers your baby becomes THE HOLY GRAIL OF ROULETTE WHAT DO YOU SAY?????
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 29, 12:28 PM 2010
CORRECT STAKING:
LEVEL 1 STAKES 1,1---TO BE USED ON TWO GAMES IN A ROW if they both lose you go to
LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3---TO BE USED ON THIRD GAME IF THIS LOSES you go to
LEVEL 3 STAKES 5,7---You remain at this level until you win two games consecutive or not
LEVEL 4 STAKES 10,15---THIS IS TO BE USED IF YOU LOSE 5 GAMES IN A ROW. You are now in 4loss territory for the zone. You stay at this level for one win then drop back to 1.
Then you drop back down to level 1. If you lose 4 or 5 games in a row. Which you could. You remain at this level for the rest of the session. This staking over 4 games puts 44pts at risk. Still very reasonable compared to the 91 at risk for the zone. You WILL need it at some point. The thing to realize is a bad session WILL be followed by a GOOD ONE. I assure you of this. If I had a losing session I will play another one IMMEDIATELY afterwards. And I will go for gold as I know it will recover the previous losses. LOSSES ARE TEMPORARY MOLES Believe that. ;D
I know the ZONE is a semi grail already Moles, its has stood for 11 years. It has nothing to prove to me especially played strictly with the trigger. THE CROSSPLAY 5 is an excellent strategy Moles what you have to understand is with the ZONE when you arrive at the phenomenal 4th game you have essentially lost 8 bets not including the trigger. Do you realize this? So imagine we used the equivalent trigger for the CROSSPLAY 5, it would mean sitting OUT two losing games. So we would have to wait for say a 7 and 8 before going after the next qualifier. NOW how about giving that a try with the CROSSPLAY 5. And using the staking I have shown. Now what is BETTER???
THE ZONES POWER COMES FROM THE TRIGGERS AND CONSISTENCY OF THE 4TH GAME. Maybe we need triggers with THE CROSSPLAY 5. With triggers THIS STRATEGY IS THE GRAIL as far as I am concerned. Its a no lose proposition. I have been thinking about it. BUT REMEMBER, this isn't my baby. Its ATLANTIS'S he has to have a say in this really. I think with triggers it has no equal personally. As you rarely lose more than 4 or 5 games in a row. So sitting out the first two makes it a GRAIL. Atlantis I need your input on this. With triggers your baby becomes THE HOLY GRAIL OF ROULETTE WHAT DO YOU SAY?????
Hi Fender,
I would venture to say that introducing *triggers* such as used in the normal ZONE that you are going to add more SAFETY and will avoid what would be losing bets... With your CORRECT STAKING PLAN as outlined above surely as a direct consequence it must become more GRAIL-LIKE and foolproof? Sessions may take longer; but I feel you will be rewarded with more consistent long-term positive results. Definately worthy of exploration, fender.
8)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 29, 01:37 PM 2010
Hi Fender,
I would venture to say that introducing *triggers* such as used in the normal ZONE that you are going to add more SAFETY and will avoid what would be losing bets... With your CORRECT STAKING PLAN as outlined above surely as a direct consequence it must become more GRAIL-LIKE and foolproof? Sessions may take longer; but I feel you will be rewarded with more consistent long-term positive results. Definately worthy of exploration, fender.
8)
A.
Hi Atlantis,
My thinking exactly I have only been hit by one 5loss in all the sessions I have played. If you have a 2 losing game trigger you will probably rarely ever have to go to level 4 with this strategy. Then my thinking is you can start at level 2 stakes instead of 1,1, So you can accelerate your progress. And make the longer waiting time worthwhile. ;D
FENDER,
In regards to a progression, I have tested a bit with this one and so far, so good.
1,1 = +2 or +1 /-2
2,3 = +2 or +2 /-7
5,8 = +3 or +4 /-21
12,18 = +3 or +3 /-51
27,41 = +3 or +4 /-78
This progression totals less than the ZONE (91) and has 5-steps, not just 4-steps. Also, you have a profit at every step. If you win on the 3rd, 4th or 5th step, you have won enough to end the session.
Oh yeah,
You could also use your "trigger" idea and then you would only need 4-steps of progression instead of 5 which would be only a 51 unit loss. That is only 7 units more than the progression you are proposing to use now with the advantage of profit at every step.
Please don't forget that with a smaller bankroll, you could use higher stakes. $25 chips maybe. Then you could only go for 2 or 3 points of profit per day and increase monthly.
Would waiting for 2 losing games in a row mean that you would virtually lose 4 bets in a row. . . . . correct?. . . . . . . . A dozen/column would have to sleep for 7 or more times twice in a row. . . . . . correct?
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 29, 05:53 PM 2010
Oh yeah,
You could also use your "trigger" idea and then you would only need 4-steps of progression instead of 5 which would be only a 51 unit loss. That is only 7 units more than the progression you are proposing to use now with the advantage of profit at every step.
Nice work Scooby. People I think Scooby has just nailed the progression to be used with triggers. One thing though, we are going to make this SUPER-SAFE. And wait for two triggers to start a bet. Then when you bring Scooby's staking in you have a LOCK. A strategy that I truly believe could be a grail. And you are only risking 51 POINTS on something that should rarely see you having that total up for grabs. I like it.
EXAMPLE
DOZEN 2=9--TRIGGER 1
COLUMN 1=7--TRIGGER 2----WE NOW START BETTING ON THE NEXT QUALIFIER
DOZEN 1=6+4PTS---(STAKING STARTS AT LEVEL 2----(2,3)
You wait for two triggers for each new game. And start at that level of staking. You can then make 8pts from 2 wins GAME OVER. Although I am sure lol! some of you will want top test this over longer sessions, runs. Take my advice though I have played 22 sessions over the last 10 years that I would have lost to a 4loss. HAD I COMPLETED THE SESSION. I only suffered 3 4losses OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. BECAUSE, they were at the beginning of the session SUPER RARE. The other 19 that I met in realtime play were in the middle to end of the session. I WASN'T THERE. TAKE THE PROFIT AND RUN. :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Okay here is an update of my results FRIDAY THROUGH TODAY. From this morning the new rules about the double trigger have come into play. And I have to say I really like it. Especially with Scoobies staking progression 51 points at risk vs 91 with the ZONE. A risk that might prove even safer over time.
FRIDAY
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=6+1PT
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS
DOZEN 3=11-2PTS
COLUMN 1=7-2PTS
COLUMN 1=5+4PTS--(LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3)
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 3PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=9----DOZEN 2=6
DOZEN 1=7----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 3 POINTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=78 POINTS PROFIT
SATURDAY
DOZEN 1=7-2PTS
COLUMN 3=8-2PTS
DOZEN 2=11-5PTS----(LEVEL 2 STAKES)
COLUMN 1=5+10PTS----(LEVEL 3 STAKES)
COLUMN 2=6+9PTS---(LEVEL 3 STAKES)----SESSION ENDED WITH 10 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 3=9----COLUMN 3=6
COLUMN 1=7----DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 2=13----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 10 PTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=85 POINTS PROFIT
SUNDAY---NEW REVISED METHOD WAITING FOR 2 TRIGGERS TO START SESSION
COLUMN 1=7----TRIGGER 1
DOZEN 3=11----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 2=8-5PTS--(LEVEL 1 STAKES 2,3)
DOZEN 2=5+10PTS--(LEVEL 2 STAKES 5,7)----SESSION ENDED WITH 5PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 3=8
COLUMN 2=17
DOZEN 3=5
DOZEN 2=6
COLUMN 2=10----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 5 PTS PROFIT
I really like this revised method. It makes me feel really safe. As I am hardly ever seeing more than 3 losses in a row before a win. And we are STARTING after 2. Nice tweaks. Check this out guys. Moles in particular. I think you will like this. ;D
Hi FENDER,
Just one thing....By dropping the first level of the progression (1,1) you are risking 76 units now, not 51 units.
Why do you leave the final stake out of the total risked? Surely the whole progression is the risk as the final bet might be lost.
Trebor
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 30, 10:19 AM 2010
Hi FENDER,
Just one thing....By dropping the first level of the progression (1,1) you are risking 76 units now, not 51 units.
Hey Scooby thanks for the correction. HEY I can live with that. We still have to lose 7 games in a row to lose 76 points. I like those odds Scooby when you will be averaging 7 points a session. Thats 11 winning sessions to every losing one required. Very achievable Scooby as I have won (including my RNG sessions) over 80 without a losing one so far. IMPRESSIVE is an understatement. ;D
Hi FENDER,
Hmm...I think you are getting confused. If you cut off the first step in the progression, that only leaves 4 steps.....If you have a trigger of waiting for two losses in a row, then if you lose your progression, you only need 6 losses to do that, not seven.
I don't mean to be so picky but we need to get it right.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on May 30, 01:06 PM 2010
Hi FENDER,
Hmm...I think you are getting confused. If you cut off the first step in the progression, that only leaves 4 steps.....If you have a trigger of waiting for two losses in a row, then if you lose your progression, you only need 6 losses to do that, not seven.
I don't mean to be so picky but we need to get it right.
Hey scooby you are right, but that's still good. The Most losing games I have had in 80 sessions is 5 between the dozens and columns. So I do expect to lose every now and then Scooby I would be a fool not to. The question is as always, are the wins enough to generate OVERALL PROFIT. And from what I have witnessed I can say YES THEY ARE, we need on average 11 winning sessions to match 1 loss. I think you could win 30/1 easy. I am 80/0 as we write. I will let you know when I hit my first 6loss. ;D
Just to make sure I have this right. Play goes:
1) Wait for a column or dozen to sleep for 4 spins.
2) Bet that column or dozen with one unit two times. (You can bet a column and a dozen at the same time, but not 2 dozens or columns at the same time)
3) If I win go back to step 1. If I lose qualify another dozen or column then bet level 2 (2 units and the 3 units). A win at any time send me back to step 1. (The dozen or column that just loss can not qualify until it has a hit)
4) If I lost the 2/3 bets I qualify another dozen or column betting level 3 (5/8) on the next two spins.
It was my understanding from the first post this is as far as we go. If we loss the whole progression we start the next game with 2 units. But reading the progressions that have been posted since there would be a level 4 & 5.
How confused am I?
Thanks
Phishalot
Hello Phishalot,
What Fender is suggesting is to drop the first step in the 5-step progression (1,1) Then wait for two consecutive losses meaning that after you have lost twice while in virtual, then continue real play with the next 4 steps in the progression which are:
2,3....5,8....12,18....27,41
Maybe we could write out an "Official Rules" again.
Let me ask if you play columns and dozens at the same time and you lose both, do you count that as 2 losses or one loss on each? Dozens and Columns each have their own progression?
Quote from: keel44 on May 31, 05:23 AM 2010
Maybe we could write out an "Official Rules" again.
Let me ask if you play columns and dozens at the same time and you lose both, do you count that as 2 losses or one loss on each? Dozens and Columns each have their own progression?
Hi to all, the only reason I haven't cemented all the rules as yet. Is A, this strategy is new and is still in the teething stages. I will give you the basics as I have been playing them. And B, this strategy is Atlantis's brainchild. And I always respect that, so any changes in execution should pass through him first. And he can have his say as to how he feels, about its value. I truly believe we have something very close to a grail here as I write I am 83 wins 0 losses in sessions played. I will update my results below. So pleased am I with this strategy. I have taken a break from THE ZONE. Let me tell you, that is no small thing. I owe my livelyhood to that strategy. So for me to put it on the shelf in favor of another one. Tells you the CROSSPLAY 5 IS FANTASTIC! ;D
Okay I played 2 sessions yesterday with the new revision about triggers. Here are the results.
SUNDAY SESSION 2
DOZEN 1=8----TRIGGER 1
DOZEN 2=13----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 2=5+4PTS----(SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT)
DOZEN 3=7----COLUMN 1=9
COLUMN 1=6
DOZEN 3=6
COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 1=11----COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES
MONDAY SESSION 1
COLUMN 3=9----TRIGGER 1
DOZEN 2=7----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS----(SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT)
DOZEN 1=5
DOZEN 1=6
COLUMN 2=11----DOZEN 3=8
DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 2=9
COLUMN 3=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=93 POINTS PROFIT
STRIKE-RATE SINCE THE START=83 WINS 0 LOSING SESSIONS
Quote from: Phishalot on May 30, 06:59 PM 2010
Just to make sure I have this right. Play goes:
1) Wait for a column or dozen to sleep for 4 spins.
2) Bet that column or dozen with one unit two times. (You can bet a column and a dozen at the same time, but not 2 dozens or columns at the same time)
3) If I win go back to step 1. If I lose qualify another dozen or column then bet level 2 (2 units and the 3 units). A win at any time send me back to step 1. (The dozen or column that just loss can not qualify until it has a hit)
4) If I lost the 2/3 bets I qualify another dozen or column betting level 3 (5/8) on the next two spins.
It was my understanding from the first post this is as far as we go. If we loss the whole progression we start the next game with 2 units. But reading the progressions that have been posted since there would be a level 4 & 5.
How confused am I?
Thanks
Phishalot
OKAY LETS END THE CONFUSION***
STAKING FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5 (4 LEVELS--2--3---5--8---12--18---27--41)
Total risk over 4 levels is 116 points
This may seem like a big risk, the question is how often will you LOSE 6 CONSECUTIVE GAMES??? Not very often at all. I am now 83 wins 0 losses in sessions played. The longest losing streak I have experienced is 5. The most common losing streak is 3 with you winning the 4th game. That means the vast majority of the time you will never get past level 2 staking (5,8) Remember we wait for 2 losing games (TRIGGERS) before commencing the session. I end most of my sessions after the first win. that's my secret to such a long winning streak DON'T BE THERE WHEN a 6-LOSS COMES. If you lack the patience to stop and play new sessions. My advice is after the first win you now wait for 3 triggers before your next bet. That means you have to lose 7 games in a row to lose 116 points. That should be a rare occurance indeed like a 5loss for THE ZONE.
BASIC RULES.
(01) You wait for 2 triggers before commencing a session EXAMPLE DOZEN 1=9---COLUMN 2=7
(02) You then wait for the next dozen or column to sleep for 4 consecutive spins, that becomes your first bet.
(03) You are betting for a maximum of 2 steps SPIN 5---SPIN 6. If you don't win on these two steps. YOU STOP and wait for the next qualifying DOZEN OR COLUMN.
(04) Your staking for the first bet over spin 5 and spin 6 is 2 points--3 points LEVEL 1 STAKING. A win means you make 4 points profit for me personally SESSION OVER.
(05) If you have to bet on further games to achieve a win here is the staking used.
LEVEL 1 STAKES--2--3----GAME 1
LEVEL 2 STAKES--5--8----GAME 2
LEVEL 3 STAKES--12--18 GAME 3
LEVEL 4 SRAKES--27--41 GAME 4--(STAKING is SCOOBIES CONTRIBUTION AND GREAT)
TOTAL RISK 116 POINTS
Remember this is actually 6 games total, as we wait for 2 virtual triggers before we start. Now read what I write next very carefully. Don't play ANY session for more than ONE WIN. The chances of you bumping into a 6loss at the start of a session is EXTREMELY unlikely. And the reason I am now 83---0 in wins. I expect to make it past a hundred before I ever lose a session I really do. The beauty of SCOOBIES staking plan is, you will win a decent profit at every stage. You will seldom get past level 2 stakes. ESPECIALLY IF, you take my advice and go after 1 win per session.
I will keep saying this, with THE CROSSPLAY 5, JUST LIKE THE ZONE. The less you bet the more you will win. Remember you are trying to avoid a rare pattern. For the ZONE it is 4 losing games in a row for the DOZENS. For the CROSSPLAY 5 it is 6 losing games in a row for the DOZENS AND COLUMNS COMBINED. The less you play the better your chance of avoiding that rare pattern. I believe winning streaks of 100 plus to every loss are possible if you play this way. So basically what I am saying is you should win 400 plus points to every 116 you lose. I like that trade a lot. And so should you. ;D
Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 31, 09:10 AM 2010
(03) You are betting for a maximum of 2 steps SPIN 5---SPIN 6. If you don't win on these two steps. YOU STOP and wait for the next qualifying DOZEN OR COLUMN.
I would recommend after you lose a game wait again for TWO triggers ie two misses in a row and then bet the next column or dozen that has missed 4 times in a row. :)
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Quote from: FENDER1000 on May 31, 09:10 AM 2010
OKAY LETS END THE CONFUSION***
STAKING FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5 (4 LEVELS--2--3---5--8---12--18---27--41)
Total risk over 4 levels is 116 points
This may seem like a big risk, the question is how often will you LOSE 6 CONSECUTIVE GAMES??? Not very often at all. I am now 83 wins 0 losses in sessions played. The longest losing streak I have experienced is 5. The most common losing streak is 3 with you winning the 4th game. That means the vast majority of the time you will never get past level 2 staking (5,8) Remember we wait for 2 losing games (TRIGGERS) before commencing the session. I end most of my sessions after the first win. that's my secret to such a long winning streak DON'T BE THERE WHEN a 6-LOSS COMES. If you lack the patience to stop and play new sessions. My advice is after the first win you now wait for 3 triggers before your next bet. That means you have to lose 7 games in a row to lose 116 points. That should be a rare occurance indeed like a 5loss for THE ZONE.
BASIC RULES.
(01) You wait for 2 triggers before commencing a session EXAMPLE DOZEN 1=9---COLUMN 2=7
(02) You then wait for the next dozen or column to sleep for 4 consecutive spins, that becomes your first bet.
(03) You are betting for a maximum of 2 steps SPIN 5---SPIN 6. If you don't win on these two steps. YOU STOP and wait for the next qualifying DOZEN OR COLUMN.
(04) Your staking for the first bet over spin 5 and spin 6 is 2 points--3 points LEVEL 1 STAKING. A win means you make 4 points profit for me personally SESSION OVER.
(05) If you have to bet on further games to achieve a win here is the staking used.
LEVEL 1 STAKES--2--3----GAME 1
LEVEL 2 STAKES--5--8----GAME 2
LEVEL 3 STAKES--12--18 GAME 3
LEVEL 4 SRAKES--27--41 GAME 4--(STAKING is SCOOBIES CONTRIBUTION AND GREAT)
TOTAL RISK 116 POINTS
Remember this is actually 6 games total, as we wait for 2 virtual triggers before we start. Now read what I write next very carefully. Don't play ANY session for more than ONE WIN. The chances of you bumping into a 6loss at the start of a session is EXTREMELY unlikely. And the reason I am now 83---0 in wins. I expect to make it past a hundred before I ever lose a session I really do. The beauty of SCOOBIES staking plan is, you will win a decent profit at every stage. You will seldom get past level 2 stakes. ESPECIALLY IF, you take my advice and go after 1 win per session.
I will keep saying this, with THE CROSSPLAY 5, JUST LIKE THE ZONE. The less you bet the more you will win. Remember you are trying to avoid a rare pattern. For the ZONE it is 4 losing games in a row for the DOZENS. For the CROSSPLAY 5 it is 6 losing games in a row for the DOZENS AND COLUMNS COMBINED. The less you play the better your chance of avoiding that rare pattern. I believe winning streaks of 100 plus to every loss are possible if you play this way. So basically what I am saying is you should win 400 plus points to every 116 you lose. I like that trade a lot. And so should you. ;D
Oh boy I'm loving this new way Fender
column3 =11
Dozen 1 = 7
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that's 2 virtual losses in a row and trigger
Dozen 2=5+4pts
Game over ;D
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column 1 =8
dozen 3 =9
that's 2 virtual losses again
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Dozen 1 = 8
level 2 stakes now
column 3 = 5 + 5 points
Game over.
Nine points profit for only 3 spins in 50 minutes ;D
That's how you beat the game.The less time you actually play the game in a session the less chance you have of being effected by the house-edge. :)
Sure it might take you a while to wait for 2 virtual losses in a row,but it's certainly worth the wait. Patience is the key,all good things come to those who wait :D ;D
One more session later :)
:)
Great results moles! :o
And thanks Fender for posting the clear rules.
Gonna give it a try real soon ;)
A.
Quote from: moles40 on May 31, 02:21 PM 2010
Oh boy I'm loving this new way Fender
column3 =11
Dozen 1 = 7
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that's 2 virtual losses in a row and trigger
Dozen 2=5+4pts
Game over ;D
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column 1 =8
dozen 3 =9
that's 2 virtual losses again
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Dozen 1 = 8
level 2 stakes now
column 3 = 5 + 5 points
Game over.
Nine points profit for only 3 spins in 50 minutes ;D
That's how you beat the game.The less time you actually play the game in a session the less chance you have of being effected by the house-edge. :)
Sure it might take you a while to wait for 2 virtual losses in a row,but it's certainly worth the wait. Patience is the key,all good things come to those who wait :D ;D
One more session later :)
Good evening Atlantis yes exactly. PATIENCE is what its all about. Casinos rely on human failings as much as house edge for a gambler to lose. And lack of patience is one of the things that causes a gambler to lose. Timing is one of the key elements to beating roulette. When you know something is very likely to happen at a certain point. You now need the patience to wait for that time. For alot of people that is very hard to do. I am now 84---0 for the crossplay 5 after my evening session. Now let me tell you something I recorded 100 spins today. And about 50 spins after my winning session was over there was a 5 loss. Still in the winning margin. BUT, do you really want to have to face that 6th testing game with 116 points on the line? I know I don't. That is why you must keep your sessions short and sweet.
By doing so, you give yourself a strong chance of building a great profit margin before you eventually meet that losing streak. I am hoping to break 3 figures before I do. It will be interesting to see how long I can go before it happens. Always remember this the longer the wait the safer you are. If you were to wait for 4 triggers before you bet you might go years before you lose 8 games in a row. But again, it would require great patience. To wait for those triggers. I think 3 would be the ultimate compromise. ;D ;D
I do need to clear one thing up first.
Are you running the progression on EACH dozens and columns separately? Or BOTH combined? example:
Dozen 1=8 level 1 Loss (for dozens
Column 3=7 level 1 Loss (for columns
OR
Dozen 1=8 level 1 Loss
Column 3=7 level 2 Loss
I think it is the latter, but could it be more safe using the former?
Quote from: keel44 on Jun 01, 12:58 AM 2010
I do need to clear one thing up first.
Are you running the progression on EACH dozens and columns separately? Or BOTH combined? example:
Dozen 1=8 level 1 Loss (for dozens
Column 3=7 level 1 Loss (for columns
OR
Dozen 1=8 level 1 Loss
Column 3=7 level 2 Loss
I think it is the latter, but could it be more safe using the former?
Hi Keel,
I don't know but I just tested it that way on casino wiesbaden spins for 31 May - table 3. Personally I think it better to play each side individually...
DOZEN3=10
DOZEN2=8 **TRIGGER
DOZEN3=6-WON 4PTS
--END
DOZEN2=9
DOZEN1=7 ** TRIGGER
DOZEN2=6-WON 4PTS
--END
TOTAL= +8PTS
A.
PS. Out of all fenders ZONE methods I think I like this one best.
Hi, I have been following this thread with interest.
I agree that patience(time, focus, not having to leave the room) is a problem. Wouldn't a bot solve this problem. Bots do not get tired or worse, bored, waiting for the 3 or 4 losses in a row. Especially with a system giving these results. . . . .
metalrat
Quote from: metalrat on Jun 01, 07:00 AM 2010
Hi, I have been following this thread with interest.
I agree that patience(time, focus, not having to leave the room) is a problem. Wouldn't a bot solve this problem. Bots do not get tired or worse, bored, waiting for the 3 or 4 losses in a row. Especially with a system giving these results. . . . .
metalrat
Metalrat, for every gain there has to be a trade. I would rather be tired and bored than broke. Casinos feed off of human weakness. And one of the biggest is lack of PATIENCE. If every gambler had PATIENCE and superior self discipline Casinos would be making alot less profit than they're I can tell you that for certain.
What Atlantis and me (pat on the back lol) have come up with, is a strategy that when used with patience is the HOLY GRAIL of roulette. I am not kidding. I have seen it all in my 30 years gambling experience. And I have seen nothing better than the crossplay 5. As I write this I am 85 & 0 in winning sessions. And most of them were played on an RNG. Yes you read right an RNG. This strategy is without equal if played with (wait for it) PATIENCE. Below are my latest results played on a live wheel. ;D
Okay the streak continues. I am now a fantastic 85 wins and 0 losses in sessions. Since I started playing the CROSSPLAY 5. With the revised method it is GREAT. Here are my latest results.
TUESDAY--SESSION 1
DOZEN 2=11----TRIGGER 1
DOZEN 3=10----TRIGER 2
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=7
COLUMN 3=5----DOZEN 1=17
DOZEN 1=8
COLUMN 2=10
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 3=9----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 3 WINS--7 LOSSES
TUESDAY--SESSION 2
COLUMN 3=8----TRIGGER 1
COLUMN 1=7----TRIGGER 2
DOZEN 3=7-5PTS
COLUMN 2=5+5PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 5 POINTS PROFIT--LEVEL 2 STAKES
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 1=6
COLUMN 3=13
DOZEN 1=9----COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 3=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=102 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK IS 85 WINS 0 LOSSES
One thing I will KEEP SAYING. Keep the sessions to ONE WIN. Yesterday. I recorded a 100 spin sequence and the first 50 spins were great. In the next 50 there was a 5loss with the win coming on the final attempt SPIN 6 LEVEL 4 STAKING.
Had I been a newbie with no patience I would have had to face that potentially losing game. DON'T BE THERE. One win per session. 3 sessions per day MAXIMUM is my advice. TAKE IT. I Have a winning streak of 85 an 0. Because of my patience. Of course one day I will meet a 6loss right at the very start of my session. But I want it to be later rather than sooner. I believe with tight limited play. Winning streaks of 100/1 minumum are achievable.
I haven't seen worse than a 5 loss YET. But I will its just a matter of time. The question IS, Will I be PLAYING WHEN IT COMES OR WATCHING. I know which I want to be. I will keep using this example to try and cement this idea with newbies. When I played my main strategy THE ZONE. Over ten years I saw 49 4losses. The streak that loses a session. 22 of them were in sessions I played, BUT I only suffered 3 losses. WHY? Because I wasn't there when they happened. They happenned in the second half of my sessions. But my habit of ending a session early saved me 19 x 91pts LOSS. I hope that makes the point.
Contrary to what maths geeks will tell you there is a world of difference between playing long drawn out sessions trying to win a fortune in a short period of time. And short and sweet ones. Remember these live wheels are spinning 24/7 Losing streaks are happenning ALL THE TIME. I am sure if you recorded a 1000 spin sequence you would see a 6loss maybe even longer. But if you are playing 2 or 3 short sessions a day that with triggers can be over IN 1 SPIN. What are the chances of you meeting that killer streak right at the start of your session? LOW. Of course you eventually will. But by then you should have won at least 50 sessions I believe 100 or more to every loss is possible. So your trade will be about 400 points to every 116 lost. ;D
What method do you use to push the RNG along, as you wait for triggers?
Thanks
Phishalot
Quote from: Phishalot on Jun 01, 08:14 AM 2010
What method do you use to push the RNG along, as you wait for triggers?
Thanks
Phishalot
I cover black and red Phishalot. I know you can lose it if zero hits. I have play 56 sessions on an RNG. and been hit by zero 9 times while waiting. But the stakes I was using are 25p. I don't play the RNG to make any real money Phishalot, although I have made over 100 pounds. I was playing it to see if THE CROSSPLAY 5 could take down an RNG. And **IT DOES** that's why I know this strategy is very special. Even my previous world beater the ZONE couldn't best an RNG. I make my real money Ã,£20 points on a live wheel. I still wouldn't risk that on an RNG. I believe at low stakes and short sessions an RNG can be beaten. And the CROSSPLAY 5 proved that to me... ;D
Thanks for sharing this system. I have just one question. . what if a column and a dozen qualify at the same spin. . do you bet on both of them, one of them or none of them??
Quote from: Ekis on Jun 01, 03:31 PM 2010
Thanks for sharing this system. I have just one question. . what if a column and a dozen qualify at the same spin. . do you bet on both of them, one of them or none of them??
You would cover them both. I am not fond of splitting stakes. Thats another reason to end the session after 1 win. You average 1 twin qualifier per session and it usually happens in the middle to latter part of the 10 game frame.
If anyone is interested I've just lost the complete progression. This was on my 4th go using the lastest 116 point risk. I know Fender will say this can happen at any time but even an optimist like me is getting a bit suspicious about the amount of "bad luck" I seem to get. Fender, if you don't post some bad luck soon people will start to think you're hiding something from us.
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Jun 02, 06:20 AM 2010
If anyone is interested I've just lost the complete progression. This was on my 4th go using the lastest 116 point risk. I know Fender will say this can happen at any time but even an optimist like me is getting a bit suspicious about the amount of "bad luck" I seem to get. Fender, if you don't post some bad luck soon people will start to think you're hiding something from us.
Trebor
Trebor 4th go? I said to play for 1 win per session. I cannot post what doesn't happen Trebor when it does I will. When you say lost the progression give us the record please. I had a tough session this morning. Went to level 3 staking. And two days ago saw a 5 loss. You have to be doing something wrong Trebor to be losing all the time. Atlantis myself and moles are winning. I am not saying you can't lose. But I am saying if you don't follow my instruction to the LETTER you are more likely too.
Maybe people who seem to be unlucky should wait for 4 triggers instead of two. I actually think 3 triggers is the ULTIMATE. I have the patience for this but do you other guys. I am in no hurry to win. And even less hurry to lose. What was the losing progression lets see it trebor the way I post my results. And who were you betting with?
WEDNESDAY--SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=7----TRIGGER 1
COLUMN 2=8----TRIGGER 2
DOZEN 1=7-5PTS
DOZEN 3=13-12PTS
COLUMN 1=6+7PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 7PTS PROFIT--LEVEL 3 STAKES
COLUMN 2=10----DOZEN 1=5
COLUMN 1=7
DOZEN 2=11----COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 3 WINS--7 LOSSES
WEDNESDAY--SESSION 2
DOZEN 2=11----COLUMN 1=9----TRIGGERS 1 & 2
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS---SESSION ENDED WITH 4PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 1=6
COLUMN 3=7
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 1=6----DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 2=8
DOZEN 1=11----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
RUNNING TOTAL SINCE 17/05/2010=113 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK IS 87 WINS AND 0 LOSSES
Session 1 was a little tester gaining the win on the 5th game LEVEL 3 STAKES.
QuoteMaybe people who seem to be unlucky should wait for 4 triggers instead of two
What difference would that make, nobody knows when losses are coming, would waiting for further triggers make noobies better?
Las Vegas can relax again me thinks
By go's I mean sessions.
I forgot to mention that I waited for three triggers so that was seven losing games.
Paddy Power live wheel.
With due regard for the need to keep dissent out of this thread this is my last post (in this thread).
Good luck.
Trebor
Quote from: superman on Jun 02, 08:46 AM 2010
What difference would that make, nobody knows when losses are coming, would waiting for further triggers make noobies better?
Las Vegas can relax again me thinks
I don't, like I said the jury is still out on this one. The Zone is a definate for vegas that means profit is assured already Superman. All we are trying to do now is fine tune. See if there is something even tighter. If trebor lost 7 games okay we know that runs of 7 happen. BUT how often? Remember somebody has to meet a loss at some point. But how often does a 7 or more occur? I have played through a 4loss and seen a 5loss. Just like with the zone 4losses are happening all the time. The question is how many of them will you meet? I play two sessions a day for the Crossplay 5 one before breakfast 7---9 am. And one later in the day.I am 87 & 0 in winning sessions. Will I lose one day? Of course. But the idea is to see how long I can avoid that loss.
To crunch some numbers basically I need about 25 winning sessions to every loss. I think that is very achievable. if 3 triggers becomes the bench mark then it becomes stronger. A 7loss may be the equivalent of a 4loss for the zone. Therefore we have to adjust for that. but over all this strategy is very consistent. I have played 87 winning sessions and recorded over 200. And the worst I have seen so far is a 5loss. In that same session span there would have been at least 3 4losses for the zone.
Its always the win to loss ratio (STRIKE-RATE) Thats important. ;D
Fender,
I've been thinking about waiting for the second loss before betting and when you do start betting, you start on the second level of bets.
Since the first stage of betting is only 1,1, I'm not sure it's worth it to wait as long as you sometimes have to for 2 losses in a row just to save 2 units. This only increases your total loss possible from 116 to 118.
Granted my perspective may be different if I were betting $30 units. But for those of us who are considering using this system and building up our bankrolls, all the waiting is a real test of patience.
If we discover that waiting for 3 losses is necessary, then the 2 units risked becomes even less of a factor.
I may be wrong. Just throwing in a little different perspective.
Cheers, George
Hi everyone, just signed up to this forum, but been following Fender's posts on this forum and also on the "previous one". So Fender, I feel like I know you a bit now, and I've been interested in your systems from the start.
I've been playing the ZONE for other a month and have found it in one casino, then had a couple of 4 losses so ended up wiping most of all my hard-earned profit. I switched to Crossplay 5 yesterday and it's been ok but I had one instance of winning on the 6th game yesterday, so that was a hairy moment I could have done without! I think so far that waiting for 2 losses on a dozen or a column before betting on either respectively is a must.
I'm using a slightly less scary progression, some of you might want to use, I wait for two losses on either a dozen or a column and then bet as follows:
Game Stake Win Lose Gain
3 1 3 -1 2
3 1 3 -2 1
4 2 6 -4 2
4 3 9 -7 2
5 5 15 -12 3
5 7 21 -19 2
6 10 30 -29 1
6 15 45 -44 1
7 23 69 -67 2
7 35 105 -102 3
Agreed we need to change the staking pattern.
The current one is too risky,this is one staking plan I found over at G Glenn roulette forum,it was for the EC bets but I think it would work well on the crossplay.
Wait for 2 virtual losses
then play the following progression
1
1
2
3
4
6
9
14
21
32
Total risk 93 points.
You would need to loose 8 game in a row to be wiped out 8)
I think that's 7 games, not 8.
Anyway, just had 6 losing games in a row playing on columns. It won on the 7th but I didn't dare play it. I used a slightly lower progression than the one in my post above, so only lost Ã,£31. Still, I'm thinking I should switch back to the Zone. . .
Quote from: Side B on Jun 02, 04:20 PM 2010
Hi everyone, just signed up to this forum, but been following Fender's posts on this forum and also on the "previous one". So Fender, I feel like I know you a bit now, and I've been interested in your systems from the start.
I've been playing the ZONE for other a month and have found it in one casino, then had a couple of 4 losses so ended up wiping most of all my hard-earned profit. I switched to Crossplay 5 yesterday and it's been ok but I had one instance of winning on the 6th game yesterday, so that was a hairy moment I could have done without! I think so far that waiting for 2 losses on a dozen or a column before betting on either respectively is a must.
I'm using a slightly less scary progression, some of you might want to use, I wait for two losses on either a dozen or a column and then bet as follows:
Game Stake Win Lose Gain
3 1 3 -1 2
3 1 3 -2 1
4 2 6 -4 2
4 3 9 -7 2
5 5 15 -12 3
5 7 21 -19 2
6 10 30 -29 1
6 15 45 -44 1
7 23 69 -67 2
7 35 105 -102 3
Thats a good idea Side B and welcome. I think we need to wait for 3 even 4 triggers with the crossplay to make it safer. When playing only dozens or columns I have never seen more than 7 games before it returns to 5 or 6 so I am thinking after what Trebor said that 7 losing games is the virtual limit. You know if you know there is a point that seldom gets crosessed you should still be as close to it as possible. I would say 2 triggers for THE ZONE and 4 FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5. TELL ME HOW OFTEN YOU SEE A 5LOSS FOR THE zone AND AN 8LOSS FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5.
THE NEED FOR PATIENCE IS THE PROBLEM HERE I HAVE IT BUT MANY DON'T. BUT THERE IS AN incredible solution to that coming soon. thanks to Scooby. I won't break it yet but he has discovered something VERY SPECIAL.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 02, 07:01 PM 2010
that's a good idea Side B and welcome. I think we need to wait for 3 even 4 triggers with the crossplay to make it safer. When playing only dozens or columns I have never seen more than 7 games before it returns to 5 or 6 so I am thinking after what Trebor said that 7 losing games is the virtual limit. You know if you know there is a point that seldom gets crosessed you should still be as close to it as possible. I would say 2 triggers for THE ZONE and 4 FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5. TELL ME HOW OFTEN YOU SEE A 5LOSS FOR THE zone AND AN 8LOSS FOR THE CROSSPLAY 5.
THE NEED FOR PATIENCE IS THE PROBLEM HERE I HAVE IT BUT MANY DON'T. BUT THERE IS AN incredible solution to that coming soon. thanks to Scooby. I won't break it yet but he has discovered something VERY SPECIAL.
Scooby,
I know that you have enough years on us to be full of wisdom and we all need a word of advice re: patience. As for me, I'm all ears.
Help!
G.
Another point is to ensure is that you are definately only betting after back to back losers.
After the first virtual loss; when you have lost 2 fictitious bets on a qualifier; you must not wait until that doz/col HITS before you record it down as a loser eg:
DOZEN2=14 before you start searching for the next virtual losing trigger.
Instead you must track immediately from the loss and search for qualifiers for your second virtual loss TRIGGER. In other words there must not be intervening winning qualifiers between the 2 virtual loss results. I think that is quite important - to only commence betting on a qualifying doz/col if the preceding 2 triggers were back to back losers... Same if you're losing 3 or 4 triggers.
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 03, 05:00 AM 2010
Another point is to ensure is that you are definately only betting after back to back losers.
After the first virtual loss; when you have lost 2 fictitious bets on a qualifier; you must not wait until that doz/col HITS before you record it down as a loser eg:
DOZEN2=14 before you start searching for the next virtual losing trigger.
Instead you must track immediately from the loss and search for qualifiers for your second virtual loss TRIGGER. In other words there must not be intervening winning qualifiers between the 2 virtual loss results. I think that is quite important - to only commence betting on a qualifying doz/col if the preceding 2 triggers were back to back losers... Same if you're losing 3 or 4 triggers.
Thanks,
A.
Well spotted and said Atlantis. Yes often the next qualifier has already hit on spin 5 or 6 before the losing one has concluded its vacation. Atlantis I played the crossplay 5 today using 3 triggers instead of two. I feel more comfortable with that, now that Trebor has reported a 7loss to us. And I had 2 3losses in my sessions so I was happy with that. Another thing to note Atlantis, and READ when tracking dozens and columns. Is OFTEN after you have a cluster of hits on the 5th and 6th spins THEN COMES THAT 4LOSS PLUS.
This has always been the case when I played THE ZONE. You will see as in one of my real sessions below.
DOZEN 1=6
DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 3=6
DOZEN 1=11
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 3=9
DOZEN 2=7
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 2=6
DOZEN 1=10
DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 3=6----Do you see what I mean Atlantis often 3 or more 5/6 hits are followed by a 3loss or greater. This is something to learn to read when tracking.
The way I see it is you need to find a happy medium between the number of triggers are you patient enough to gather and the length of your progression.
The term that Fender doesn't use when trying to describe his way of thinking about a winning system is "The Law Of Diminishing Probability". It just means that the longer you follow something to happen, the less likely it is to happen. For example, if you track even chances to repeat, the longer the string of repeats gets, the more likely that string will end.
Now I know this "Law" flies in the face of Math geeks but if you ever do any testing, you will find this to be true.
So, what you are looking for is, what is the most times a losing trigger will repeat in a row, 99.9% of the time. Sure, there will be times when that string of triggers will exceed that barrier but the occurance will be rare enough for you to make a nice profit before it happens.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Jun 03, 10:00 AM 2010
The way I see it is you need to find a happy medium between the number of triggers are you patient enough to gather and the length of your progression.
The term that Fender doesn't use when trying to describe his way of thinking about a winning system is "The Law Of Diminishing Probability". It just means that the longer you follow something to happen, the less likely it is to happen. For example, if you track even chances to repeat, the longer the string of repeats gets, the more likely that string will end.
Now I know this "Law" flies in the face of Math geeks but if you ever do any testing, you will find this to be true.
So, what you are looking for is, what is the most times a losing trigger will repeat in a row, 99.9% of the time. Sure, there will be times when that string of triggers will exceed that barrier but the occurance will be rare enough for you to make a nice profit before it happens.
Hi Scooby very well said. Listen MATCH 9 is unreal. I think its TIME. You know what I am saying Scooby. It is THE ONE. I have made too much already with it. Do you want to break it or me???????? ;D
Atlantis, I'm not sure I understand, could you please clarify?
The way I've been playing is by the same rules as the Zone, ie I wait until the losing dozen hits before I start looking for a qualifier again.
ie. in the sequence LHHMMHML (L hits on 7th spin= loss!) followed by MMHM I would bet on L here (as opposed to betting on H 2 spins ago). That's the way we're all playing it, right?
Also, so far I'm finding there's around 50-50 winning to losing games, lots of progressions going up the 5th or 6th game, making for really long sessions (even worse than the Zone waiting for one or two virtual losses). I liked the idea of Crossplay at first as I thought it would be a good way to get in and out quickly, but so far it's been long sessions and losing me money! My aim is to make 3-4 units a day and I'm very patient, I'd really like Crossplay to work but the Zone with its average 80% strike rate is better than Crossplay's 50% so far. . .
Here are my results for the last two sessions I am now waiting for 3 triggers for a little extra safety. The wait is a bit longer BUT WORTH IT.
THURSDAY SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=11----COLUMN 2=7
DOZEN 3=8----THREE TRIGGERS COMPLETE
COLUMN 1=7-5PTS
COLUMN 2=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 PTS PROFIT--LEVEL 2 STAKES
DOZEN 2=9
COLUMN 1=5
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 1=5
DOZEN 3=8----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
THURSDAY SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 2=11
COLUMN 2=9----THREE TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 3=5----COLUMN 1=6
COLUMN 2=6
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 2=13----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=121 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK =89 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES
Still going very well, now that we know a 7loss is possible I am waiting for 3 triggers instead of two. I am also reading the winning patterns. For example if there is a cluster of 3 or more hits on the 5th and 6th spin. I am expecting a potential 4loss or greater. In which case I will wait for anything up to 4 triggers before beginning. ;D
Quote from: Side B on Jun 03, 10:09 AM 2010
Atlantis, I'm not sure I understand, could you please clarify?
The way I've been playing is by the same rules as the Zone, ie I wait until the losing dozen hits before I start looking for a qualifier again.
ie. in the sequence LHHMMHML (L hits on 7th spin= loss!) followed by MMHM I would bet on L here (as opposed to betting on H 2 spins ago). That's the way we're all playing it, right?
Also, so far I'm finding there's around 50-50 winning to losing games, lots of progressions going up the 5th or 6th game, making for really long sessions (even worse than the Zone waiting for one or two virtual losses). I liked the idea of Crossplay at first as I thought it would be a good way to get in and out quickly, but so far it's been long sessions and losing me money! My aim is to make 3-4 units a day and I'm very patient, I'd really like Crossplay to work but the Zone with its average 80% strike rate is better than Crossplay's 50% so far. . .
That's IT SIDE B. Amazing isn't it? In a random game where anything can happen. those 5th and 6th spins collect on average 50% of the action. that's what gives the CROSSPLAY 5 ITS POWER. We just have to learn to read it a bit better to tame that potential 7loss or greater. And we have an amazing strategy... ;D
Fender, your optimism knows no bounds!! Can you please confirm that I'm playing it right, as in my example sequence in my previous post?
Hi Fender,
I'm not 100% convinced that MATCH 9 is ready to bring to the forum. But since you say you are having good luck with it maybe you should be the one to introduce it, especially since you have a few things that you have added to it which I don't know much about.
If you are going to introduce it, I think you should start a new thread.
Scooby doo
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 03, 10:16 AM 2010
Here are my results for the last two sessions I am now waiting for 3 triggers for a little extra safety. The wait is a bit longer BUT WORTH IT.
... I am also reading the winning patterns. For example if there is a cluster of 3 or more hits on the 5th and 6th spin. I am expecting a potential 4loss or greater. In which case I will wait for anything up to 4 triggers before beginning. ;D
I've illustrated that making a set of rules simple, complete, and disclosed that one or two refinements would follow soon, in which case they did. In a few posts I had shown that the system was easy to explain. It only took me one day to create that system. Now it has been programmed and tested. Why do these 11 year old systems continue to go through changes? Why is the Zone now morphed into THE CROSSPLAY 5*****, with the implication that the NINE(morphedZone) system is soon to make an appearance. I thought that the Zone was the money maker for the past 6 years and perfected for 11 years. It only took 150 forum pages to discover that it was a constantly changing system. Why do the Fender1000 system always evolve after disclosing them. Why are there people asking for the correct rules 100's of forum pages later? I see that pattern.
QuoteWhy do the Fender1000 system always evolve after disclosing them
Because random has no limits, except for the limts he hasn't yet seen, when he does the rules change to suit, this is what every roulette player goes through, 100% for optimism though, everyone started out like that.
Funny thing is though, all the great names he brings in, it's funny how the mind works when you 'think' you've found the dogs bo||ocks, your chuffed with yourself, tell the world, they denounce when people don't agree, mainly because they haven't seen what happens yet, we've all been there, he'll catch up.
superman , well yeah, only I didn't expect the truth. Nice answer.
Quoteit's funny how the mind works when you 'think' you've found the dogs bo||ocks, your chuffed with yourself, tell the world, they denounce when people don't agree, mainly because they haven't seen what happens yet, we've all been there, he'll catch up.
Good post superman. Why all the hype from Fender? sometimes I think he's trying to convince himself by singing the praises of the latest casino-crusher. He certainly doesn't convince me.
When fender introduced the ZONE, Fender had been using it successfully for a number of years. After it's introduction, several members suggested things that might improve it. If Fender thought they were better than what he had been using, he went with it. I don't see that as being so unusual....We all want whatever method we are using to function the best way it can.
In regards to the CROSSPLAY 5...It was created by someone other than Fender. Fender liked it so began testing it and added suggestions as he went along. It was never claimed to be a fully complete system so suggestions have been made by members to improve what has been shown so far. There are no set rules at this time.
When push comes to shove, I'm sure that Fender will always fall back on what worked for him over the years. If by chance one of these other off-shoot methods also work he will merely add them to his arsenal of methods.
It makes me laugh....These are all things that we all do.....but when Fender does them, for some reason it is marked as different.....Go figure ???
By the way, this thread isn't about "Convincing" anyone of anything. It's about INTERESTED members trying things until something can either be used or not, that will improve what is being discussed.
It's refreshing to see someone like Fender being excited about roulette for a change instead of grumbling about every hair-splitting issue. Thank you to all of the members that are keeping this forum a pleasant place to discuss roulette. Agreeing to disagree is great and healthy. Anything beyond that is going against the grain of what is excepted here. So thanks to all of those members that fall into that catagory.
Hey Scooby
I said numerous times the enthuiasm of Fender is a good thing, I have also said he sometimes appears to have blinkers on to those that disagree, BUT, when someone agrees and praises him and becomes a follower, he takes them onboard and when they and only they recommend a change he agrees with it, and if they change it enough it gets a new name and they get the credit, makes you think doesn't it?
If I had something that had made me thousands of units $EuroÃ,£s' and felt I needed to tell forums about it, I would NOT take any changes to what I know/think works, heck if it's worked for 11 years and is 'the sure thing' why change it.
Why change it?? because as it gets tested more by different people it morphs as different players get different results, that's why people are supsect of Fender, hinting on someone that either is building up to sell something or just plain attention seeking.
When it emerged on the old VLS forum it was run against automated testing bots RX etc, and because they show long term results in a matter of minutes, the fails show up, that was not welcomed and poopooed by the hopeful people that 'hope' it isn't true, theres none so blind as those that don't WANT to see.
the old saying theres always room for improvement
People who are the opposite to that are usually the know all type
I dont think bringing up the bot arugument was worth mentioning , probably everything would be beaten by a bot for obvious reasons. you need to think outside the bot
Fender and Atlantis, could you please clarify this: you do not wait for a losing dozen or column to finally hit before you start looking for a new qualifier? Because I always wait for a losing dozen to actually hit, whether I play the Zone or Crossplay 5, so I'm thinking I might be doing something wrong?
For example, playing Crossplay 5 after 2 virtual losses, if I then got this sequence: LMMMHMMLM Dozen L loses on the 7th spin, then comes M, do you then start betting on H or do you wait for a brand new qualifier?
Quotethe old saying theres always room for improvement
Exactly, but getting stuck in a rut is only prolonging the eventual downfall
QuoteI dont think bringing up the bot arugument was worth mentioning
It wasn't an argument at all, I was stating that automation, using real results from real wheels/tables gets you to the answer we are all asking much quicker 'will it win me money?' the opposite to that mentality are people who play because they enjoy the game and dont mind losing hard earned money, after all, the casion is charging us 2. 7% for the pleasure of entertaining us.
Heres my old saying, you can't flog a dead horse
flog a dead horse (British, American & Australian) also beat a dead horse (American)
to waste time trying to do something that will not succeed
Quote from: Side B on Jun 03, 03:57 PM 2010
Fender and Atlantis, could you please clarify this: you do not wait for a losing dozen or column to finally hit before you start looking for a new qualifier? Because I always wait for a losing dozen to actually hit, whether I play the Zone or Crossplay 5, so I'm thinking I might be doing something wrong?
For example, playing Crossplay 5 after 2 virtual losses, if I then got this sequence: LMMMHMMLM Dozen L loses on the 7th spin, then comes M, do you then start betting on H or do you wait for a brand new qualifier?
Hi SideB,
In the crossplay 5 I would start betting on H after that last M.
If I was waiting for a trigger at that point I would count that H as a virtual qualifier to be monitored as a potential losing trigger.
A.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Jun 03, 12:21 PM 2010
Hi Fender,
I'm not 100% convinced that MATCH 9 is ready to bring to the forum. But since you say you are having good luck with it maybe you should be the one to introduce it, especially since you have a few things that you have added to it which I don't know much about.
If you are going to introduce it, I think you should start a new thread.
Scooby doo
Scooby my friend You know I have alot of respect and regard for your views. I am going to sit on it a bit longer until you are happier. I will email you later with the tweaks I have added. Speak soon
Quote from: superman on Jun 03, 02:28 PM 2010
Hey Scooby
I said numerous times the enthuiasm of Fender is a good thing, I have also said he sometimes appears to have blinkers on to those that disagree, BUT, when someone agrees and praises him and becomes a follower, he takes them onboard and when they and only they recommend a change he agrees with it, and if they change it enough it gets a new name and they get the credit, makes you think doesn't it?
If I had something that had made me thousands of units $EuroÃ,£s' and felt I needed to tell forums about it, I would NOT take any changes to what I know/think works, heck if it's worked for 11 years and is 'the sure thing' why change it.
Why change it?? because as it gets tested more by different people it morphs as different players get different results, that's why people are supsect of Fender, hinting on someone that either is building up to sell something or just plain attention seeking.
When it emerged on the old VLS forum it was run against automated testing bots RX etc, and because they show long term results in a matter of minutes, the fails show up, that was not welcomed and poopooed by the hopeful people that 'hope' it isn't true, theres none so blind as those that don't WANT to see.
Superman, you never let up. Listen when I go to Vegas in 2011 yes I have brought it forward a year. And you will soon find out WHY. You are welcome to come along, all expenses paid by me. I will say this again. THE ZONE IS SET IN STONE. I can resume using it anytime and it will deliver EVERYTIME. Coming to this forum wasn't for me to learn how to win, I already know how to do that. It was to show others who have been jaded and swamped with negative thinking and flawed maths tripe, that ITS VERY POSSIBLE.
In doing so I have ignited a little enthusiasm, and got clever and studious people like Atlantis, stackbundles and Scooby to start seeing even potentially GREATER winning possibilites. In my opinion thats what a Roulette forum should be all about. Or whats the point? Just tell everyone to go to a negative place like the wizard of odds, who I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AT MY SIDE IN VEGAS 2011.
He needs putting right in a hurry. Or read Einsteins famous quote. And say yup aint nobody beating Roullete, anyone for a game of poker?? NO, as annoying as I am to people like you Superman, I have a mission to debunk the long flawed thinking on Roulette. And thats exactly what I am going to do. I want every negative thinker to know of what I achieve in 2011. Maybe, just maybe they will get a clue to how beatable this game is when you come at it from a completely different angle. ;D
Quote from: strato1985 on Jun 03, 03:36 PM 2010
the old saying theres always room for improvement
People who are the opposite to that are usually the know all type
I dont think bringing up the bot arugument was worth mentioning , probably everything would be beaten by a bot for obvious reasons. you need to think outside the bot
Well said strat. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOT, I love that. But kidding aside THAT'S exactly what you must do. ;D
Hey Fender
I have never said roulette can't be beaten, I win every day too, well, my bot does it for me, today for example, 65 units and counting, yes 67 attacks won, no loses, yet! each attack is 6 steps in total. As it is done by a bot it's impossible for a user to do, A) you would get bored and B) you couldn't calculate fast enough.
Here's the proof fresh off the bot, for me thinking outside the bot has been done over and over, don't try to beat the game, target random as the enemy, enjoy
Quote from: superman on Jun 04, 06:38 AM 2010
Hey Fender
I have never said roulette can't be beaten, I win every day too, well, my bot does it for me, today for example, 65 units and counting, yes 67 attacks won, no loses, yet! each attack is 6 steps in total. As it is done by a bot it's impossible for a user to do, A) you would get bored and B) you couldn't calculate fast enough.
Here's the proof fresh off the bot, for me thinking outside the bot has been done over and over, don't try to beat the game, target random as the enemy, enjoy
that's great Superman, then you should show a more positive attitude on here. I will show you a simple strategy later Superman for high and low that is almost a grail. The zone isn't my only profit maker. It works because it does the opposite of what most strategies are trying to do PREDICT AN OUTCOME. Show you later and you tell me it can't beat the game. ;D
Strato1985,
Please don''t get me wrong, but there is more than a subtle difference between a bot which plays a previously well thought out system and an automated testing system like Rx(which is a system designer)
I have been involved in the design of several "bots" to try and beat this game. A well thought out system and a good bot compliment each other. Btw I only play at online live casino's and time does become an issue sooner or later. Hence the "bot".
metalrat
Quote from: metalrat on Jun 04, 07:00 AM 2010
Strato1985,
Please don''t get me wrong, but there is more than a subtle difference between a bot which plays a previously well thought out system and an automated testing system like Rx(which is a system designer)
I have been involved in the design of several "bots" to try and beat this game. A well thought out system and a good bot compliment each other. Btw I only play at online live casino's and time does become an issue sooner or later. Hence the "bot".
metalrat
Hello metalrat, I am totally old-school, I wouldn't know a bot from a robot. But I know a winning strategy. And thats the important part. ;D
Quote from: atlantis link=topic=157. msg1399#msg1399 date=1275630560
Hi SideB,
In the crossplay 5 I would start betting on H after that last M.
If I was waiting for a trigger at that point I would count that H as a virtual qualifier to be monitored as a potential losing trigger.
A.
Thanks Atlantis, that's different to the way I play it. Is that how you play the Zone too? I believe that in the Zone you would get worse results if you didn't wait for the losing dosen to hit before tracking again. Fender, do you do it my way or Atlantis' way?
I've been testing a tweak on Crossplay which is working well so far, I'll keep you posted.
Quote from: Side B on Jun 04, 08:02 AM 2010
Thanks Atlantis, that's different to the way I play it. Is that how you play the Zone too? I believe that in the Zone you would get worse results if you didn't wait for the losing dosen to hit before tracking again. Fender, do you do it my way or Atlantis' way?
I've been testing a tweak on Crossplay which is working well so far, I'll keep you posted.
Side B Hi, yes tracking and betting a new dozen/column before a losing one has come back from its vacation is standard. It works perfectly. Remember you may not have seen many of these but I have. Some dozens and columns can stay out for 25 plus spins. Two days ago at Betfreds Column 2 took 26 spins to come home. In between there were 3 winning streaks for the dozens and columns.
I surpised myself
Today I start for real after not being able to afford to play, I now have enough . . I've tested the zone (thanks to Fender) an I seem to keep winning. .
Today I'm +6. . . I will try for 10pts a day
Maybe I'll see you in vegas, get a slice of the vegas pie
Okay Its just as well that I now wait for 3 triggers today I experienced my first 6loss with the win coming on the 5th spin of the 7th game. in the second session it was a breeze 3 triggers win game over. So the 3 trigger revision has kept my streak alive. Here are the results...
FRIDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=9
COLUMN 2=13----DOZEN 2=11----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 3=7-5PTS
COLUMN 1=8-12PTS
COLUMN 2=7-30PTS
DOZEN 1=5=+7PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 7 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 4 STAKING
COLUMN 2=5
COLUMN 3=6
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 2=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
FRIDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 2=9
DOZEN 1=7----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
COLUMN 2=5+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 3=12
COLUMN 1=6
DOZEN 2=17----COLUMN 1=5
COLUMN 3=8
DOZEN 1=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=132 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK 91 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES
Quote from: strato1985 on Jun 04, 08:19 AM 2010
I surpised myself
Today I start for real after not being able to afford to play, I now have enough . . I've tested the zone (thanks to Fender) an I seem to keep winning. .
Today I'm +6. . . I will try for 10pts a day
Maybe I'll see you in vegas, get a slice of the vegas pie
Strat hi, and well done. When the time comes, I will give a personal invite to any interested in a two week holiday in vegas. I will pay for everyone coming. up to a certain limit, I obviously want certain people on this forum to be there. But even negatives are welcome. I really want that guy from the wizard of odds, can't remember his name. He needs putting straight like no other. lol!! ;D
Quote from: FENDER1000 link=topic=157. msg1414#msg1414 date=1275653777
Side B Hi, yes tracking and betting a new dozen/column before a losing one has come back from its vacation is standard. It works perfectly. Remember you may not have seen many of these but I have. Some dozens and columns can stay out for 25 plus spins. Two days ago at Betfreds Column 2 took 26 spins to come home. In between there were 3 winning streaks for the dozens and columns.
Right. . . See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.
You're saying that you don't. I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens. So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?
Hi guys,
I don't really have a good feeling about mixing both dozen and colume triggers. They are "Apples and Oranges"...I think you could have 7 losses in a row in either dozens or columes seperately. When you use both together it just adds to the possibility of 7 losses. At least that's my opinion....what do you think?
Quote from: Side B on Jun 04, 08:45 AM 2010
Right. . . See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.
You're saying that you don't. I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens. So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?
Hi SideB,
The rule is that a doz/col must have missed for *EXACTLY* 4 spins for it be a qualifier
A.
Quote from: Side B on Jun 04, 08:45 AM 2010
Right. . . See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.
You're saying that you don't. I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens. So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?
Exactly SIDE B, Winners don't come in a straight line. There will be wins while a loser is still out there.
Right, ok, I'll give that a go then but I think there's probably a lot more losers that way, I'll go through my play history and check whether I would have fared better if I hadn't waited for the losing dozen to hit before tracking again.
But this means waiting for the same dozen to drop 4 times in a row, which I thought was what you called a twin-qualifier situation, which according to the rules you are meant to avoid unless one of the qualifiers has lost its previous 2 games?
FYI What I'm toying with right now is when one dozen is losing, I start tracking the other two and wait for one of them to drop twice in a row and then bet on the other one. The idea being that often your losing dozen doesn't drop for many more spins, so I take advantage of the fact that the other two keep repeating.
Fair play fender I've made 13pts today . . Gotta know when to quit . .
I'd pay for myself just to see the up roar ,, I hopin I aint gonna work again !!!!
Also fair play to all the top people brainstorming
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 04, 08:38 AM 2010
Okay Its just as well that I now wait for 3 triggers today I experienced my first 6loss with the win coming on the 5th spin of the 7th game.
You say you play 20 pound a point so your liability on that spin was 1500 pound,and you would have had to have put down 540 quid on dozen 1,crazy stuff :D
Where online can you play with such a high table limit,your next bet for the 6th spin if spin 5 had lost would have been an incredible 820 pounds and nearly 2500 pound liability :o
Quote from: moles40 on Jun 05, 02:35 AM 2010
You say you play 20 pound a point so your liability on that spin was 1500 pound,and you would have had to have put down 540 quid on dozen 1,crazy stuff :D
Where online can you play with such a high table limit,your next bet for the 6th spin if spin 5 had lost would have been an incredible 820 pounds and nearly 2500 pound liability :o
No with the Crossplay 5 I use 10 pound points Moles. Still a fair amount. But remember I have a 20,000 pound bank. Its all relative. Had two easy sessions today will update tomorrow. Been concentrating on a strategy Scooby and myself have created. I am very excited. And it will hit this forum next week. When we fine tune a few things. I think you are going to love it.
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 05, 01:10 PM 2010
No with the Crossplay 5 I use 10 pound points Moles. Still a fair amount. But remember I have a 20,000 pound bank. Its all relative. Had two easy sessions today will update tomorrow. Been concentrating on a strategy Scooby and myself have created. I am very excited. And it will hit this forum next week. When we fine tune a few things. I think you are going to love it.
Yeah I'm waiting to see this new system of your yours Fender,nothing like having another great winning system to bring those casinos to their knees ;D
Quote from: superman on Jun 03, 02:28 PM 2010
Hey Scooby
I said numerous times the enthuiasm of Fender is a good thing, I have also said he sometimes appears to have blinkers on to those that disagree, BUT, when someone agrees and praises him and becomes a follower, he takes them onboard and when they and only they recommend a change he agrees with it, and if they change it enough it gets a new name and they get the credit, makes you think doesn't it?
If I had something that had made me thousands of units $EuroÃ,£s' and felt I needed to tell forums about it, I would NOT take any changes to what I know/think works, heck if it's worked for 11 years and is 'the sure thing' why change it.
Why change it?? because as it gets tested more by different people it morphs as different players get different results, that's why people are supsect of Fender, hinting on someone that either is building up to sell something or just plain attention seeking.
When it emerged on the old VLS forum it was run against automated testing bots RX etc, and because they show long term results in a matter of minutes, the fails show up, that was not welcomed and poopooed by the hopeful people that 'hope' it isn't true, theres none so blind as those that don't WANT to see.
Very well and true said.And that is a-FACT-/nothing of Las Vegas/lol/ 8)
HOW MUCH PATIENCE SHOULD A GAMBLER HAVE? ANWSER you can NEVER have TOO MUCH! Now I am nearing that special barrier. As I write this I am 95 wins ZERO losses for THE CROSSPLAY 5. Only though I must add. Because of Trebor alerting us of the 7loss he suffered. And me responding to this by strectching my triggers from 2 to 3. Now let me tell you this. IF I make it to 100 & 0. I will then be waiting for 4 triggers for each session to commence. Remember this, it takes about 30 winning sessions to recover 1 losing bank of 116 POINTS. If the difference between that happening is 1 extra trigger. You would be pretty foolish not to wait for it. I am going to have 4 triggers from now on. YES I WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER FOR QUALIFIERS. But I believe I will be waiting a lot longer for that killer streak of 8 losing games. I hope YOU can all understand this. Okay here are the results of my last 4 sessions.
SATURDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=13
DOZEN 1=9
COLUMN 2=8----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 2=11-5PTS
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 2 STAKES
DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 1=7
COLUMN 2=22
COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
SATURDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=11----DOZEN 3=9
COLUMN 2=14----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 1=5+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 2=6
DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 1=6----DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 3=17
COLUMN 3=7----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES
SUNDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=17
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 1=8----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 3=5+4PTS SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=6
COLUMN 2=5
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 3=6----COLUMN 3=10
COLUMN 3=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
SUNDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=8
COLUMN 2=9
DOZEN 2=11----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 2=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 3=7
COLUMN 1=5
DOZEN 2=7
DOZEN 3=5
DOZEN 1=5
COLUMN 2=13----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=148 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK IS 95 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 06, 09:03 AM 2010
HOW MUCH PATIENCE SHOULD A GAMBLER HAVE? ANWSER you can NEVER have TOO MUCH! Now I am nearing that special barrier. As I write this I am 95 wins ZERO losses for THE CROSSPLAY 5. Only though I must add. Because of Trebor alerting us of the 7loss he suffered. And me responding to this by strectching my triggers from 2 to 3. Now let me tell you this. IF I make it to 100 & 0. I will then be waiting for 4 triggers for each session to commence. Remember this, it takes about 30 winning sessions to recover 1 losing bank of 116 POINTS. If the difference between that happening is 1 extra trigger. You would be pretty foolish not to wait for it. I am going to have 4 triggers from now on. YES I WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER FOR QUALIFIERS. But I believe I will be waiting a lot longer for that killer streak of 8 losing games. I hope YOU can all understand this.
Hi Fender,
I looked at your results. Very Good. If you operate the 3 triggers separately for cols and doz (instead of mixed) maybe you won't need to go for the 4 triggers in a row??
eg:
DOZEN1=11
DOZEN2=8
DOZEN1=13
COLUMN1=10
COLUMN2=9
COLUMN3=7
Keep a chart to count consecutive losing columns and one for consecutive losing dozens. Reset the count if a virtual winner occurs on the appropriate chart if that happens before you have counted a virtual three-loss of that type.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 06, 09:25 AM 2010
Hi Fender,
I looked at your results. Very Good. If you operate the 3 triggers separately for cols and doz (instead of mixed) maybe you won't need to go for the 4 triggers in a row??
eg:
DOZEN1=11
DOZEN2=8
DOZEN1=13
COLUMN1=10
COLUMN2=9
COLUMN3=7
Keep a chart to count consecutive losing columns and one for consecutive losing dozens. Reset the count if a virtual winner occurs on the appropriate chart if that happens before you have counted a virtual three-loss of that type.
A.
Hi Atlantis yeah you're right. You rarely even see seven losing games before a return to the 5th or 6th spin with dozens. I track that when I am doing it. The thing about combiming the two is the turnover is faster. So yes you might be waiting for 4 triggers but not too long. The trick Atlantis is to keep your winning streak going as long as possible. If you know me you know I hate losing. So if I should make it to 150--0. I will then wait for 5 triggers I am serious. PROFIT IS PROFIT. I don't like losing my bank. ;D
Played this for 4 hours straight on the same RNG machine at Foxwoods yesterday. . . +27 units. My goal was +10, but it kept winning on 5th and 6th spin so I kept going. Got tired and went home. Don't like to play when tired.
One question, please:
On the trigger, are we waiting for 2 consecutive losses before starting or just 2 losses on 5th and 6th spins? I was playing the former.
This is another great system, but we will find, down the road, people will bash it because they don't have the patience to play it, or they've run it through 6 million straight spins and it broke even so no one should play it.
It's great, once again, to have a forum where people are sharing openly and testing real world scenarios.
Thanks much.
Gator.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 06, 01:49 PM 2010
Played this for 4 hours straight on the same RNG machine at Foxwoods yesterday. . . +27 units. My goal was +10, but it kept winning on 5th and 6th spin so I kept going. Got tired and went home. Don't like to play when tired.
One question, please:
On the trigger, are we waiting for 2 consecutive losses before starting or just 2 losses on 5th and 6th spins? I was playing the former.
This is another great system, but we will find, down the road, people will bash it because they don't have the patience to play it, or they've run it through 6 million straight spins and it broke even so no one should play it.
It's great, once again, to have a forum where people are sharing openly and testing real world scenarios.
Thanks much.
Gator. GREAT JOB WALLY ! Fender is the man
Quote from: warrior on Jun 06, 01:57 PM 2010
Warrior hi bud are you a cancerian by any chance lol! Listen I am intrigued by your perfect 10 strategy but I don't fully understand it. ???
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 06, 01:49 PM 2010
Played this for 4 hours straight on the same RNG machine at Foxwoods yesterday. . . +27 units. My goal was +10, but it kept winning on 5th and 6th spin so I kept going. Got tired and went home. Don't like to play when tired.
One question, please:
On the trigger, are we waiting for 2 consecutive losses before starting or just 2 losses on 5th and 6th spins? I was playing the former.
This is another great system, but we will find, down the road, people will bash it because they don't have the patience to play it, or they've run it through 6 million straight spins and it broke even so no one should play it.
It's great, once again, to have a forum where people are sharing openly and testing real world scenarios.
Thanks much.
Gator.
Well done Gator, but 4 HOURS?????????? You should only play 2 or 3 at most sessions a day 10 games max 5 for dozens and 5 for columns. DON'T GIVE HOUSE EDGE OR NEGATIVE EXPECTANCY A CHANCE. Make your points and leave swiftly. ;D
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 06, 01:49 PM 2010
One question, please:
On the trigger, are we waiting for 2 consecutive losses before starting or just 2 losses on 5th and 6th spins? I was playing the former.
T
Gator.
No you wait for 2 consecutive losses before starting.
Played again last night at Mohegan Sun, live wheel, +8, 2 straight wins on 5th spin. Short on time, had to leave. Session lasted less than an hour.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 07, 01:39 PM 2010
Played again last night at Mohegan Sun, live wheel, +8, 2 straight wins on 5th spin. Short on time, had to leave. Session lasted less than an hour.
Short and sweet is what its all about Gator leave the long drawn out sessions to the losers. Winning is about timing. And the less you spend at the wheel the more you will win. Because you will avoid all the nasty surprises the wheel has in store for those who show no respect. ;D
Got to play live last night. Went two 3 different casinos and tried to take 10 units from each one. To get 10 units I need 3 wins so I played 3 different tables. Anyway I am beginning to believe this is a very solid method of play. I was able to get wins of +4, +7 and +11.
Thanks for posting and doing the modification to make a strong system of play.
Quote from: Phishalot on Jun 11, 11:20 AM 2010
Got to play live last night. Went two 3 different casinos and tried to take 10 units from each one. To get 10 units I need 3 wins so I played 3 different tables. Anyway I am beginning to believe this is a very solid method of play. I was able to get wins of +4, +7 and +11.
Thanks for posting and doing the modification to make a strong system of play.
well done phisalot. Its a good strategy. I haven't played at all this week since my last update. I have been working on a strategy with another forum member that I consider THE GRAIL fullstop. I am making sure is really is before the world sees it. I have given it to a few close friends who can't stop winning. But its like nothing I have ever seen. It will be called DECODER 3. And it will transform The attitude of the harshest sceptic maths devotee overnight. It tames random so perfectly. Its as if it doesn't exist. The Zone and CROSSPLAY 5 are semi grails in my opinion. They will win when applied right.
DECODER 3 IS THE HOLY GRAIL FULLY FLEDGED. Vegas will never be the same after July 2011. Take care people and get ready. I have to respect my fellow developer as its his brainchild. Its hard for me to contain what I now know. But I have too. Just know this. I never push anything that isn't solid/good. But even I have been stunned by this strategy. Once I/you use it. You will push everything else aside. Be patient because once its out there its going to seriously damage casino profit margins over the coming years. :o
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 11, 02:07 PM 2010
DECODER 3 IS THE HOLY GRAIL FULLY FLEDGED. Vegas will never be the same after July 2011. Take care people and get ready. I have to respect my fellow developer as its his brainchild. Its hard for me to contain what I now know. But I have too. Just know this. I never push anything that isn't solid/good. But even I have been stunned by this strategy. Once I/you use it. You will push everything else aside. Be patient because once its out there its going to seriously damage casino profit margins over the coming years. :o
Hi Fender,
Good news about that. Looking forward to the unveiling of this. I'll also be very happy to contribute some testing when the details are released.
Thanks for sharing all your ingenious systems and helping us to beat this difficult game of roulette.
Atlantis.
thats too true fender . If you dont play to the rules you stuffed .
i'm up not as much as i'd like .. played a side bet an got burnt , learnt my lesson there
fender i've bottled it on the 7or 8th spin at times, then it drops in . gutted
do you ever do that?
Fender,
Have you given thought to playing this using a pluscoup to get to your +4 and out the door?
Looking forward to hearing more about your DECODER 3. If you want testers, just say the word.
Best, Gator
Having played both the crossplay and the zone extensively I would say the Zone definetly has the edge the number of times you get a hit in the 4 spin cycle is just uncanny.
Their is no reason why it should win time after time but it does it's spooky ;D
Its the closest I have seen to the holy grail,you really can make yourself hundreds of points in profit if you apply the system exactly.
And now Fender you say you have a new system which is THE HOLY GRAIL :o I am sure everyone is awaiting this with baited-breath the level of excitement in this system is growing in all members I should imagine.
Please don't leave us all waiting for too much longer lol ;D
Quote from: moles40 on Jun 12, 12:01 PM 2010
Having played both the crossplay and the zone extensively I would say the Zone definetly has the edge the number of times you get a hit in the 4 spin cycle is just uncanny.
Their is no reason why it should win time after time but it does it's spooky ;D
Its the closest I have seen to the holy grail,you really can make yourself hundreds of points in profit if you apply the system exactly.
And now Fender you say you have a new system which is THE HOLY GRAIL :o I am sure everyone is awaiting this with baited-breath the level of excitement in this system is growing in all members I should imagine.
Please don't leave us all waiting for too much longer lol ;D
Almost as spooky as you me and Warrior sharing the same birthday lol! I call the zone a semi grail Moles. I am very proud of it. And its always going to be used by me in a live casino. Have put it on the back-burner recently. Thinking I can better it, but its not going to be easy. Yes I was amazed all those years ago when I saw the frequency the ball fell between 5---8. In a random game it shouldn't shouldn't happen that routinely but it does.
I have something excellent but its not my creation, thats why I am sitting on it. He doesn't want the world knowing about this strategy until its fully proven and I have to respect that. We are in the proofing stage now. Continue to play THE ZONE and CROSSPLAY 5. They will make you good profit. If and when DECODER 3 passes all the tests. You will all hear of it. If it doesn't I will appologize for getting you all excited.
Fender,
Do you have the method of play to THE ZONE posted somewhere? Can you point me in the right direction?
Best, Gator
Mr. Fender,
Even shall the strategy does not pass the tests by computer and not the "holy grail" please share it. We do not know what good things could result from it thanks to members feedback.
Gratefully,
WannaWin
Okay hi to all, Fender is back from a short vacation. Yesterday and today I have played 5 sessions for THE CROSSPLAY 5 to make my 100th winning session. Now waiting for 3 triggers is a good thing. Here are the results of my last 5 sessions to bring my win loss tally to 100 wins zero losses...
FRIDAY----SESSION 1
COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 1=11----COLUMN 2=7----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
FRIDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 2=13
DOZEN 3=10
DOZEN 1=7----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 2=8-5PTS
COLUMN 1=5+5PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 5 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 2 STAKES (5--7)
FRIDAY----SESSION 3
COLUMN 3=8
DOZEN 1=8
DOZEN 2=10----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 3=5+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
SATURDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 2=11
DOZEN 1=7----COLUMN 3=8----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
SATURDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=7
DOZEN 3=7
DOZEN 1=9----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
COLUMN 1=8-5PTS
DOZEN 2=11-12PTS
DOZEN 3=5+5PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 5 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 3 STAKES (11--17)
Okay a little tester on my second session today but have now made it 100 & 0 for wins to losses.
RUNNING BALANCE=100 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES AND 162 POINTS PROFIT
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 12, 04:54 PM 2010
Fender,
Do you have the method of play to THE ZONE posted somewhere? Can you point me in the right direction?
Best, Gator
The zone thread is lower down in this section its my original bread and butter strategy. A semi grail of incredible consistency. THE BASIS
(1) Wait for a dozen to sleep for 9 or more spins, that is your trigger.
(2) the next dozen that sleeps for 4 consecutive spins becomes you first qualifier. I,E Dozen 1 no show for 4 spins.
(3) You now commence betting on DOZEN 1 for a maximum of 4 steps spins 5---8
(4) Staking plan as follows 1,1,2,3
(5) You aim for a single win in this strict version of the strategy designed especially for newbies. So lets say you won with dozen 1 on the 5th spin. That equals 2 points profit. And that session is over.
(6) MY ADVICE to newbies is aim for 5---8 points profit per day, the objective is to build your bankroll up slowly but surely. So play no more than 3 or 4 sessions per day. Your ultimate goal is the increase the value of what a point is worth. A point is worth Ã,£20 to me so I only need 3 or 4 points per day to be happy. Once you have increased the value of a point to Ã,£5.00 you are now at a level where a living wage is possible from the strategy. That should be your goal over a 6 month period.
(7) Ideally you need a bankroll of 250pts to run the strategy. Better still 500 or even 1000 to be totally safe and rock solid.
(8) The enemy of this strategy is the 4loss. Its also its power. If you play the strategy EXACTLY as I have just outlined you should not encounter more than 1 4loss to every 100 winning sessions on average. Below is an example of a 4loss
DOZEN 1=9----TRIGGER
DOZEN 2=13-7PTS
DOZEN 2=10-14PTS
DOZEN 3=17-35PTS---FOR NEWBIES---70PTS for a seasonned player or player of 1000pt BR
The above losing sequence is relatively rare. So your total risk as a newbie is 58pts or 91pts as a seasonned player. In between these 4losses if you play the strategy as I advise you should be winning anything up to 250pts before a 4loss hits you. THAT IS THE REASON WE PLAY SHORT INFREQUENT SESSIONS. Please re-read that sentence until its in your system. It is the difference between success and failure with this and virtually every other strategy. DO NOT PLAY THE WHEEL TOO LONG. The wheel will always get you if you do. ;D
Fender, thanks much.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 19, 07:57 PM 2010
Fender, thanks much.
You are very welcome Wally Gator, just follow my advice and success is as sure as you will find against the wheel... ;D
Quote by fender1000 "DECODER 3 IS THE HOLY GRAIL FULLY FLEDGED. Vegas will never be the same after July 2011. Take care people and get ready. I have to respect my fellow developer as its his brainchild. Its hard for me to contain what I now know. But I have too. Just know this. I never push anything that isn't solid/good. But even I have been stunned by this strategy. Once I/you use it. You will push everything else aside. Be patient because once its out there its going to seriously damage casino profit margins"
What has happened to this Decoder 3 system,is it still the holy grail,or seeing as you still haven't shown anyone what it is has it tanked? :-\
Hi guys
New to the forum and roulette is pretty new to me too, but I find it very interesting.
Anyway I have some questions regarding this method as I just can't get my head around a few things ???
1 - If only betting on one dozen or column and on the 5th spin you loose, do you stop there or bet again on the 6th spin?
2 - How do you record your results? I'm not stupid but I just can't work out your method of recording them. I seem to try recording them as moles did first off but its not working out too good.
3 - If betting both a column and dozen and I win on the 5th spin. Do I remove the winning bet and just bet on the remaining qualifier?
4 - Are triggers determined from the LAST 4 results or say a new 4 spins after a loss or win? Relates to the prior question, as if I'm meant to re bet after loosing the 5th spin, what do I do if something else qualifies?
If I can work out how you record and keep track of things I can maybe post up some results for you to see if I'm doing it right. So far I've lost money doing it the way I understand so am doubting I have it right.
Hope you can help and understand, Thanks.
Cam
Fender, can you please play the following number for me? I get a bust on them. Thanks.
7
17
10
29
29
8
00
35
17
28
0
36
1
10
36
7
28
9
30
6
13
28
0
15
25
17
0
26
32
00
00
35
Shame this thread has gone quiet I think it made a good read.. i'm using this method along side Fenders zones an applied right its consist for me ..
I only make about 50 - 70 quid a week off a bank of 500.. but thats a safe amount each day 8pts a day depending on how the wheels playing..
when the wheels missing the 5/6th spin often i just wait for more triggers before i play..
always write results down a page so you can see how its performing
an always try an check out while your on top, the amount of time it took me to learn that.. like fender drummed home profit is profit..
Cheers Fender no work for me soon an i owe that to you
Hi guys,
Before trying to contribute, i want to say :
Sorry for not a perfect english but my first language in french.
Hope i will be clear enough. . .
First of all, i would like to thanks all of you for the tremendous job made
on the systems (+ tests). I think to Fender, Atlantis and some others
(Hermes, GLC, F_LAT_ INO, etc. . . ). Wonderful commitment guys !
I've been reading this forum for weeks and weeks (+ old VLS) and i decided to post
this day after been accepted yesterday by administrator. Thanks Victor ;)
I studied roulette for a long time (more than 18 years) and i'm still fascinated to find
a long-term winner even if i think it's a very hard fight. . .
I write about crossplay cause i just began my tests yesterday, with my own permanences and. . . i was shocked because the FIRST test was a hell session :-\
To give you an idea, i share the numbers with u and if u have the time to check,
tell me if i'm wrong (i don't believe i'm. . . ) Many thanks.
I thought that my post could help this topic, hope i though well :)
European Roulette (single 0).
8, 5, 0, 6, 18, 20, 10, 13, 28, 36, 32, 22, 30, 2, 27, 20, 23, 11, 6, 5, 5, 29, 2, 8, 22,
18, 11, 20, 22, 9, 4, 30, 7, 33, 33, 4, 31, 30, 34, 27, 13, 0, 17, 33, 3, 36, 4, 30, 1,
24, 27, 6, 22, 4, 14, 5, 9, 28, 9, 5, 2, 31, 12, 14, 28, 6, 3, 11, 20, 15, 5, 4, 31, 28,
5, 29, 3, 33, 35, 11, 23, 6, 17, 26, 29, 30, 7, 20, 10, 4, 36, 21, 18, 19, 8, 22, 1, 27,
11, 17, 2, 0, 7. . . . . . . . . .
I followed the basics rules.
Waited for two triggers. . . I'm afraid that i lost the entire progression.
Once again, thanks for help :)
Cheers.
Jordan69
Does anyone know what has happened to fender 1000 no posts from him since June ???
havent a clue hope its nothing bad
TheZone ate him ;D
I must say that this is a good method of play, have tested this on many games and still looking good, but my trigger is after 3 lost, then bet 10 units, wait if lost, 10 units, third bet is 20 units, back to 10 if lost.
Never lose, but sometimes
make nothing.
I feel its a very good method, even better if you combine with another method.
I record 3 methods at the same time and wait for the triggers.
Thanks mate.