Whether or not this is something Priyanka was trying to get across I do not know
I do not speak for Pri
When last 2 dozens were different:
like shown below
12
23
13
bet them for the next 3 spins as there is likely to be a repeat within 4 spins
am i off base with this?
it will lose if:
we have dozen 1 then dozen 2, and then dozen 3 hits 3 times in a row
just thinking out loud
trying to make sense
So to lose you would need :
1,2,3,3,3
or
2,3,1,1,1
or
3,2,1,1,1
......and what progression/stop/loss? :question:
im puzzled
because i know it will lose
but i think this is one of the points.....being made?
i dont know
You would need a pretty steep progression to get ahead.........why not just bet the first spin after different dozens show? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 30, 06:09 PM 2016
You would need a pretty steep progression to get ahead.........why not just bet the first spin after different dozens show? :question:
definitely an option
doz 1 and doz 2 just came up
bet 1 and 2 once
if lose wait for 2 different to show again back to back
then bet those 2
would need 4 unique dozen sequences in a row to lose using a 4 step progression
as we know 4 unique dozen patterns in a row is rare rare rare
i think something good is cookin here
1
2
now bet 1 and 2
3 LOSE
1
now bet 3 and 1
1 WIN
Quote from GLC :
"When I use a progression on a double dozen bet, I like to use the 1-2-4-8 leveller bet method.
For a less aggressive method I use a basic 2:1 labby. Remember, when using a labby with this bet, when you lose, you have to write both bets on the end of your line to be recovered."
Here are some real spins, dozen decisions using above methodology, touched by the hand of monks
NB equals NO BET
2
1
2 W
3 L
1 L
1 W
2 NB
1 W
2 W
2 W
2 NB
2 NB
2 NB
2 NB
3 NB
1 L
3 W
1 W
3 W
1 W
3 W
2 L
3 W
1 L
1 W
1 NB
1 NB
1 NB
3 NB
1 W
2 L
2 W
3 NB
3 W
0 NB
3 NB
2 NB
3 W
2 W
2 W
3 NB
BOOM
wins flat, better with 1 3 9 of course
after 2 diff dozens bet only once, if lose only bet if last 2 were diff and bet those 2
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 30, 06:16 PM 2016
What about a penthouse type progression......i'm sure GLC has one in one of his threads.
copied this from another thread......not from GLC :
Penthouse prog 111,222,333,444....
On L you move 1 step up, on W you move 2 steps down.
You can reset when in profit or play for your win goal.
this is good
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 06:22 PM 2016
this is good
Just realized that this is for 1 dozen.....but I'm sure it can be modified.
IF 1 AND 2 JUST HIT, bet 1 and 2, if lose do not chase 1 and 2, stop, then bet the last 2 only if they are different
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 06:25 PM 2016
IF 1 AND 2 JUST HIT, bet 1 and 2, if lose do not chase 1 and 2, stop, then bet the last 2 only if they are different
So to lose you would need :
1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3? :question:
if 1 and 2 shows and we bet 1 and 2 for 3 spins with progression we will lose, because eventually 333 will follow
so STOP
and wait for another 2 different dozens to hit back to back then bet those....
it destroys zumma
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 30, 06:27 PM 2016
So to lose you would need :
1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3? :question:
123, 123, 123, 123
or
123, 321, 123, 213
from testing grassroots we know we wont have 4 uniques back to back! how rare!
just thinking out loud this may be stupid....who knows....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 06:28 PM 2016
123, 123, 123, 123
or
123, 321, 123, 213
from testing grassroots we know we wont have 4 uniques back to back! how rare!
....but wouldn't you bet the 2,3 after the first loss (3) loss and win with the next 3?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 05:55 PM 2016
it will lose if:
we have dozen 1 then dozen 2, and then dozen 3 hits 3 times in a row
0 ?
Just throwing that out - no one mentions it, it's a loss - and it what kills most systems and methods that pretend that it doesn't exist.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 30, 06:31 PM 2016
0 ?
no one mentions it, .
you didnt mention 00 (just being pedantic....makes me feel big)
yes turner and turbo
Double T, lol
0 or 0/00 hurts
i know...
im thinking out loud, be easy
Quote from: Turner on Apr 30, 06:35 PM 2016
you didnt mention 00 (just being pedantic....makes me feel big)
lol
I figured if I put the 00 then people would say "I play euro wheels so that doesn't apply to me".
So I figure at least the 0 will cover everyone.
O0
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essentially what we are doing is betting that we will not have 12 unique dozens in a row like 123123123123 or 231231231231
u see what i mean?
ATI has shown it did not happen in 200k spins
if thats the case, well....get excited
200k
123 - 6905 times
123 1 - 2198 times
123 12 - 707 times
123 123 - 216 times
123 123 1 - 68 times
123 123 12 - 19 times
123 123 123 - 11 times
123 123 123 1 - 4 times
123 123 123 12 - 1 times
123 123 123 123 - 0 times
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You have my attention........
ALAN!
Seriously though, the 0 or 0/00 is a big factor - that data doesn't show it.
123 123 123 123 is the same as a dozen or column showing 12 times in a row - and that happens,
it's rare but it happens - and throw in the 0 or 0/00 - yikes
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 30, 06:54 PM 2016
Seriously though, the 0 or 0/00 is a big factor - that data doesn't show it.
123 123 123 123 is the same as a dozen or column showing 12 times in a row - and that happens,
it's rare but it happens - and throw in the 0 or 0/00 - yikes
its rare and we have not seen it happen
0 can screw it up
but by then, we are in profit
this has been tested
123123123123 has not happened
turbo i will level with u
it happens
but...by then? profit?
123 123 103 123 OUCH . now tell me when did u see that
that type of talk is moot
because technically
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 can happen
TECHNICALLY
see what i mean
the point is this: increasing the chance of winning
loss will always happen
can we overcome it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 07:01 PM 2016
the point is this: increasing the chance of winning
loss will always happen
can we overcome it
Longer......more conservative progression would probably be best. :thumbsup:
.
I just ran 200,000 on RX - I'm telling you (lol) - it's not the whole picture.
There were no repeats of a dozen or column over 11 spins (which sounds great)
BUT this isn't taking into consideration the 0 (in this case) which showed up on average once every
37 spins !
So no - you can have 11 in a row max but a possible 14,15,16,17 losses in a row because of the zero
God forbid you do it on a 00 wheel.
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ok so all is good if we bet on 0 as insurance right>>>>??? O0 O0
ur results mimick ATI's. it never hit 12......IT IS A LIMIT
get excited...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 07:12 PM 2016
ok so all is good if we bet on 0 as insurance right>>>>??? O0 O0
lol damn skippy lol It's all going to be ok then :)
Hi RG . . .
"bet them for the next 3 spins as there is likely to be a repeat within 4 spins"
I believe the point Priyanka was trying to make is the Pigeon Hole Principle which says that if you have 4 Pigeons and 3 Pigeon Holes, then one of the Pigeon Holes has to contain 2 Pigeons.
As it applies to roulette, if you have 4 spins and 3 Dozens (1-2-3) then one of the Dozens must be a REPEAT.
Turbo is right, if you wait for an event to happen you are just waiting to lose.
However, you are on the right path with grouping dozens into sets of 3 (123, 312, 223,etc)
There are 27 different sets that can be exploited with the Pigeon Hole principle which is a Non-Random event. This is what I believe Priyanka is trying to get us to see.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 30, 07:15 PM 2016
Hi RG . . .
"bet them for the next 3 spins as there is likely to be a repeat within 4 spins"
throughout the thread i have evolved
do not bet them for next 3 spins
on a loss wait for another 2 unique then begin again
to lose we would need 12 uniques like 123123123123
roulette has limits
Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 30, 07:15 PM 2016
Hi RG . . .
"bet them for the next 3 spins as there is likely to be a repeat within 4 spins"
I believe the point Priyanka was trying to make is the Pigeon Hole Principle which says that if you have 4 Pigeons and 3 Pigeon Holes, then one of the Pigeon Holes has to contain 2 Pigeons.
As it applies to roulette, if you have 4 spins and 3 Dozens (1-2-3) then one of the Dozens must be a REPEAT.
Turbo is right, if you wait for an event to happen you are just waiting to lose.
However, you are on the right path with grouping dozens into sets of 3 (123, 312, 223,etc)
There are 27 different sets that can be exploited with the Pigeon Hole principle which is a Non-Random event. This is what I believe Priyanka is trying to get us to see.
Cheers
Nick
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Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 30, 07:15 PM 2016
Hi RG . . .
"bet them for the next 3 spins as there is likely to be a repeat within 4 spins"
I believe the point Priyanka was trying to make is the Pigeon Hole Principle which says that if you have 4 Pigeons and 3 Pigeon Holes, then one of the Pigeon Holes has to contain 2 Pigeons.
As it applies to roulette, if you have 4 spins and 3 Dozens (1-2-3) then one of the Dozens must be a REPEAT.
Turbo is right, if you wait for an event to happen you are just waiting to lose.
However, you are on the right path with grouping dozens into sets of 3 (123, 312, 223,etc)
There are 27 different sets that can be exploited with the Pigeon Hole principle which is a Non-Random event. This is what I believe Priyanka is trying to get us to see.
Cheers
Nick
.....but the same could be said for ec......every 3 spins 1 must repeat (without 0-00).
Not sure how we use this......... :question:
11 in a row max not counting 0
so bet 0 as a break even insurance
turbo your fear will NOT happen
do u understand how rare that would be?
you say 11 max but to fear 0/00
how freakin rare would the loss be? rare enough to be in profit!!!!!!!!!!!!
i digress
i will not harp on this
take it away and do what you will with it
if you have 12 and then bet 12 and lose wait for another 2 unique, do not bet immediately
if 12 bet 12, then 3 shows we have 123. do not bet 3 and 2 immediately , we wait for an additional 2 to be unique
following said rules will survive 123123123123 which hasnt happened
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I like this idea! I noticed in all my testing cycles on Pri's thread, that it is rare to have several unique 3 dozen cycles in a row.
I was tinkering around with the idea of betting for a repeat after seeing 3 unique fall.
As far as your idea here, how would we bet a sequence with repeats in the middle like this:
1233312222133321123
Just wondering how common it would be to have a string of unique 3 dozens with several repeats in the middle.
Quote from: Scarface on Apr 30, 08:24 PM 2016
I like this idea! I noticed in all my testing cycles on Pri's thread, that it is rare to have several unique 3 dozen cycles in a row.
I was tinkering around with the idea of betting for a repeat after seeing 3 unique fall.
As far as your idea here, how would we bet a sequence with repeats in the middle like this:
1233312222133321123
Just wondering how common it would be to have a string of unique 3 dozens with several repeats in the middle.
the odds may foreva be in our fava (ny accent)
Hi thelaw
I don't want to hijack RG thread but if you want more information on this Random Event and the 27 different sets of Dozens, just PM me your email and I can send an excel sheet.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 30, 08:30 PM 2016
Hi thelaw
I don't want to hijack RG thread but if you want more information on this Random Event and the 27 different sets of Dozens, just PM me your email and I can send an excel sheet.
Cheers
Nick
nick you can say what you want here
mutual respect...you have helped me many times
Throws a math book into the room and runs out screaming.
But - good luck. (I promised myself that I wouldn't use the word 'luck' anymore - so bet it lol)
As long as everyone understands that 123123123123 is no different than 111111111111 or ANY combinations of 12 spins with random 1,2s and 3s put together in any order that you want - and that the 0 and/or 00 is going to screw this up. lol
I'll follow along RG and see how it goes.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 30, 08:39 PM 2016
Throws a math book into the room and runs out screaming.
But - good luck. (I promised myself that I wouldn't use the word 'luck' anymore - so bet it lol)
As long as everyone understands that 123123123123 is no different than 111111111111 or ANY combinations of 12 spins with random 1,2s and 3s put together in any order that you want - and that the 0 and/or 00 is going to screw this up. lol
I'll follow along RG and see how it goes.
0 insurance. give me 12 in a row or 0 to interrupt that and make it 12 in a row....
not gonna happen
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 08:42 PM 2016
0 insurance
I know what you're saying.
I did my "4 spin sequence" system a long time ago, doing something along these lines - even combined the columns and dozens - covered the 0 and 00 - it failed.
But I do hope that you find something of value out of it - it's all about testing and playing and learning.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 30, 08:47 PM 2016
I know what you're saying.
I did my "4 spin sequence" system a long time ago, doing something along these lines - even combined the columns and dozens - covered the 0 and 00 - it failed.
But I do hope that you find something of value out of it - it's all about testing and playing and learning.
the key is after a loss sit out.....wait until another 2 in a row different comes....do not bet every spin...we know 123123123123 most likely wont happen and 0 may be a nuisance so bet 0
Quoteso bet 0 as a break even insurance
turbo your fear will NOT happen
do u understand how rare that would be?
you say 11 max but to fear 0/00
how freakin rare would the loss be? rare enough to be in profit!!!!!!!!!!!!-RouletteGhost
Sorry, but there's no point to betting the zero as well, since it's simply not possible to effectively hedge in a negative expectation game without exposing even more money to the house edge.
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 08:50 PM 2016
Sorry, but there's no point to betting the zero as well, since it's simply not possible to effectively hedge in a negative expectation game without exposing even more money to the house edge.
school us o holy one.....what should we do
explain specifically what you are sorry for, because you started off with sorry
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 08:49 PM 2016
the key is after a loss sit out.....wait until another 2 in a row different comes....do not bet every spin
Lol. I hear ya.
But... sitting out spins does nothing to improve the chances of a win for the player, trust me.
Anyway - have at it. This game is fun to try to beat from all directions and angles.
(At least you didn't say after a loss, change tables or casinos - or leave and come back another day).
Quoteschool us o holy one.....what should we do
1. Put on your big boy pants and develop some foresight.
2. Visit the wizardofodds.com and learn more about basic probability as it pertains to the game.
3. Read on the history and evolution of the wheel. Even search the wiki.
4. Read what the risk consultants are discussing regarding the roulette. Read what the people that engineer the wheels are talking about as well.
5. Focus on methods to exploit the wheel, not the game. The inefficiencies in the wheel and dealing procedures are there. Learn how to exploit them.
-The General
Quote from: TurboGenius on Apr 30, 08:54 PM 2016
Lol. I hear ya.
But... sitting out spins does nothing to improve the chances of a win for the player, trust me.
no. it has limits we use that to advantage
231231231231 is a limit.............so on a loss sit out at least 2 spins to see if they are unique and go again
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 08:56 PM 2016
1. Visit the wizardofodds and learn more about basic probability as it pertains to the game.
no
2. Read on the history and evolution of the wheel. Even search the wiki.
no
3. Read what the risk consultants are discussing regarding the roulette.
no
4. Focus on methods to exploit the wheel, not the game.
thats what the threads about
-The General
The "Trigger" Game
You have a system that relies on the outside ECs. The wheel doesn't have a zero, and you're using an up as you lose progression.
Your triggers are based on waiting for a miss of five reds... before you begin betting that black will hit within the next five spins, while using your progression.
How long must you wait for five reds to miss before you can begin to bet? Answer: the chance that a red will hit in five spins is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/ 32. So you'll have to wait around for about 32 spins before you can begin to bet.
Now that you've waited, what is the chance that you won't hit on one of the next five spins? Spin one miss 1/2 x spin two miss 1/2 x spin three miss 1/2 x spin four miss 1/2 x spin five miss 1/2 (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) = 1/ 32. Or put another way, this means that your progression will fail about once every 32 spins.... hmmm interesting.
Summarizing so far: You stand around for about 32 spins waiting to bet... and find that your progression fails about every 32 spins.
So you think, well this just isn't going work, so you decide to increase your trigger to 10 spins without a hit.
Now how long must you stand around to see 10 misses before you can begin to bet your progression? 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/1024 This means you're going to have to stand around for about 1024 spins before you can begin to bet.
Now that you've waited all this time, surely your progression will be less likely to lose, right? Wrong! The chance that you're progression will fail is still 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/ 32. This means that every time you wait around for 1024 spins your progression will still fail about once in every 32 attempts.
The big question now is, why are you waiting? The probability of winning didn't change, so what's the purpose of the triggers? Regardless off how long you wait to bet, your progression still fails about once in every 32 attempts in the above trigger game.
I've noticed that many of you are running simulations... trying to figure out what the best trigger is that you should use. Each time you run your sims with a trigger, all you're doing is subdividing the number of spins on which you're actually betting. If you're betting on fewer spins, then your system will fail less frequently. However, if you compare the same number of spins on which bets were actually made for each of the triggers, then you'll find that the five trigger fails just as frequently as the six trigger, and the seven trigger, and the eight trigger, and the nine trigger, and the ten trigger, etc....and even the 1,000 trigger. Regardless of the trigger length used, you're not increasing your success rate. In other words, when you play the trigger game, you're only fooling yourself.
-The General
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:01 PM 2016
The "Trigger" Game
You have a system that relies on the outside ECs. The wheel doesn't have a zero, and you're using an up as you lose progression.
Your triggers are based on waiting for a miss of five reds... before you begin betting that black will hit within the next five spins, while using your progression.
How long must you wait for five reds to miss before you can begin to bet? Answer: the chance that a red will hit in five spins is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/ 32. So you'll have to wait around for about 32 spins before you can begin to bet.
Now that you've waited, what is the chance that you won't hit on one of the next five spins? Spin one miss 1/2 x spin two miss 1/2 x spin three miss 1/2 x spin four miss 1/2 x spin five miss 1/2 (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) = 1/ 32. Or put another way, this means that your progression will fail about once every 32 spins.... hmmm interesting.
Summarizing so far: You stand around for about 32 spins waiting to bet... and find that your progression fails about every 32 spins.
So you think, well this just isn't going work, so you decide to increase your trigger to 10 spins without a hit.
Now how long must you stand around to see 10 misses before you can begin to bet your progression? 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/1024 This means you're going to have to stand around for about 1024 spins before you can begin to bet.
Now that you've waited all this time, surely your progression will be less likely to lose, right? Wrong! The chance that you're progression will fail is still 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/ 32. This means that every time you wait around for 1024 spins your progression will still fail about once in every 32 attempts.
The big question now is, why are you waiting? The probability of winning didn't change, so what's the purpose of the triggers? Regardless off how long you wait to bet, your progression still fails about once in every 32 attempts in the above trigger game.
I've noticed that many of you are running simulations... trying to figure out what the best trigger is that you should use. Each time you run your sims with a trigger, all you're doing is subdividing the number of spins on which you're actually betting. If you're betting on fewer spins, then your system will fail less frequently. However, if you compare the same number of spins on which bets were actually made for each of the triggers, then you'll find that the five trigger fails just as frequently as the six trigger, and the seven trigger, and the eight trigger, and the nine trigger, and the ten trigger, etc....and even the 1,000 trigger. Regardless of the trigger length used, you're not increasing your success rate. In other words, when you play the trigger game, you're only fooling yourself.
-The General
ok
go away now
the general idea is 123 123 123 123 has not happened in 200k spins
same as any unique 3
we use that to our advantage
that really pisses off guys like general because that goes against everything they have done
general start your own thread to teach people
You can beat the wheel, but you can't be lazy if you're going to do it.
It requires foresight and effort.
All of the experts and mathematicians already state that what you're doing won't work. So why do you choose to ignore everyone that's wiser, more experienced, and better educated than you likely are?
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:05 PM 2016
You can beat the wheel, but you can't be lazy if you're going to do it.
It requires foresight and effort.
All of the experts and mathematicians already state that what you're doing won't work. So why do you choose to ignore everyone that's wiser, more experienced, and better educated than you likely are?
thanks general thanks so much
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the simple concept u do not understand is that the wheel has limits
thats what priyanka is preaching
exploit it
i will exploits 4 unique sets of dozens 123 123 123 123
i will do that successfully. that upsets u
a method that works goes against what the general stands for
he travels the nation attempting to exploit wheels meanwhile there is an easier way to do so
this kills him
anything you post that works the general will jump in. only a loser would be on a forum to downplay when said person has a true winner. i call bullshit. do not trust general
names i will not repeat have told me, DO NOT TRUST GENERAL
Quotea method that works goes against what the general stands for
he travels the nation attempting to exploit wheels meanwhile there is an easier way to do so
this kills him
anything you post that works the general will jump in. only a loser would be on a forum to downplay when said person has a true winner. i call bullshit. do not trust general
names i will not repeat have told me, DO NOT TRUST GENERAL
LOL, now that's some funny stuff right t h e r e! :)
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:17 PM 2016
LOL, now that's some funny stuff right t h e r e! :)
cool beans brotha
glad to make ya laugh
you are not welcome in my thread. im not a fake. scurry along. make your own thread
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:05 PM 2016
You can beat the wheel, but you can't be lazy if you're going to do it.
It requires foresight and effort.
All of the experts and mathematicians already state that what you're doing won't work. So why do you choose to ignore everyone that's wiser, more experienced, and better educated than you likely are?
First off......this idea of being "lazy" in an approach to beating the wheel is ridiculous.
We're talking about finding a solution to a game that will pay you much more than you're worth for the time spent.
Second......as for others being "wiser, more experienced, and more educated"........let us know when this translates to actual dollars.
Finally, this idea of others coming down off the mountain to tell everyone else which path is best using riddles, games, and hints.........doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
"I come from the top of the mountain..............I swear!!!" :sad2:
The only limits that roulette has are related to the length of the game, and the rules of the game. For example, you can't witness 20 reds in a row if you only watch 19 spins.
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:19 PM 2016
The only limits that roulette has are related to the length of the game, and the rules of the game. For example, you can't witness 20 reds in a row if you only watch 19 spins.
you are dead wrong
limits exist
this hurts your theory
scurry aloong
QuoteFinally, this idea of others coming down off the mountain to tell everyone else which path is best using riddles, games, and hints.........doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
I don't live on a mountain, and I don't use riddles, games, or hints.
Get it right. I live in a palace with unicorns.:)
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:21 PM 2016
I don't live on a mountain, and I don't use riddles, games, or hints.
Get it right. I live in a palace with unicorns.:)
can u please make ur own thread :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:19 PM 2016
The only limits that roulette has are related to the length of the game, and the rules of the game. For example, you can't witness 20 reds in a row if you only watch 19 spins.
This is the "Monkeys will eventually type Shakespeare" argument.
Quoteyou are dead wrong
limits exist
Where's your proof? Show us the math.
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:22 PM 2016
Where's your proof? Show us the math.
make your own thread
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:21 PM 2016
I don't live on a mountain, and I don't use riddles, games, or hints.
Get it right. I live in a palace with unicorns.:)
"You can beat the wheel, but you can't be lazy if you're going to do it.
It requires foresight and effort."
......without actually explaining what you mean..........sounds like a..........hint. :sad2:
I do agree with you about living in fantasy-land...... :lol:
Simply learn how to predict where the ball will land using one of many different forms of visual ballistics
or
Learn how to detect and exploit biased roulette wheels.
There are you are, no secrets, riddles, or hints.
Question:
How many of you have actually read what Wiki has to say about roulette?
be gone
shoo fly
shoo
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:33 PM 2016
Simply learn how to predict where the ball will land using one of many different forms of visual ballistics
or
Learn how to detect and exploit biased roulette wheels.
There are you are, no secrets, subtitles, or hints.
Well done General!!!.............it took a little prodding.......but you finally came around. :thumbsup:
....but.........just a couple of details:
My understanding of Visual Ballistics is that you must be able to bet after the ball has been released.........which could be stopped by the casino with no more bets allowed as soon as the ball is released.
As for biased-wheels......do these actually still exist in the real world? I thought the casinos had ways of detecting this now.
Please correct me if i'm wrong - Thanks! :thumbsup:
RouletteGhost,
Don't worry about the thread. It was a stupid thread to begin with and practically nobody gives a hoot about it except you.
QuoteWell done General!!!.............it took a little prodding.......but you finally came around. :thumbsup:
....but.........just a couple of details:
My understanding of Visual Ballistics is that you must be able to bet after the ball has been released.........which could be stopped by the casino with no more bets allowed as soon as the ball is released.
As for biased-wheels......do this actually still exist in the real world? I thought the casinos had ways of detecting this now.
Please correct me if i'm wrong - Thanks! :thumbsup:
Regarding vb...it's rare that a casino will cut off bets the moment that the ball is spun. It's not something to worry about.
Regarding bias...it doesn't matter when the bets are cut off. Most of your bets are placed before the ball is spun anyway.
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 30, 09:39 PM 2016
Well done General!!!.............it took a little prodding.......but you finally came around. :thumbsup:
....but.........just a couple of details:
My understanding of Visual Ballistics is that you must be able to bet after the ball has been released.........which could be stopped by the casino with no more bets allowed as soon as the ball is released.
As for biased-wheels......do these actually still exist in the real world? I thought the casinos had ways of detecting this now.
Please correct me if i'm wrong - Thanks! :thumbsup:
the law
i am afraid he is full of shit
he has asked me if my local casino allows bets after ball is released. it is airball and it is fast
he is clawing at the cliff
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 09:42 PM 2016
RouletteGhost,
Don't worry about the thread. It was a stupid thread to begin with and practically nobody gives a hoot about it except you.
Regarding vb...it's rare that a casino will cut off bets the moment that the ball is spun. It's not something to worry about.
Regarding bias...it doesn't matter when the bets are cut off. Most of your bets are placed before the ball is spun anyway.
So all of this "hard work" can be neutralized by any casino anytime..............seems like gambling. :ooh:
Wonder what blackjack players would say about the casinos stepping in to kill the edge. :question:
the point of this thread is that 123 123 123 123 will not happen and by betting the last 2 in sets of 3 will assure a win
you want to be a pain in the ass and thats fine but we all see through you. piss off bruh
Have you guys read Wiki?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 30, 09:43 PM 2016
the law
i am afraid he is full of shit
he has asked me if my local casino allows bets after ball is released. it is airball and it is fast
he is clawing at the cliff
I understand........it's just interesting that his "method" is built on the same unstable logical foundation as any other systems here. :sad2:
On Wiki, you will find no mention of beating the game using the law of the third, any up as you lose progression, or by using the GUT, KTF, WTF, of KFC.
However you will find out how others have beaten the game.
the problem with guys like this
if it makes money and goes against everything he has known he has to attack
like a little baby that believes in santa
wahhhh wahhhhh
the #1 reason i know the general is shit is that he backs vaccines
move along xander......
a thread goes from roulette to 'the general' that's a problem
noone wants him
Richard,
Have you been drinking again tonight?
Quotethe #1 reason i know the general is shit is that he backs vaccines
Better living through chemistry is my motto. :)
well...I have to respond to "report to moderator"
Both of you have reported each other.
Its silly and counter productive.
@Caleb.....you wind people up. I was looking at your posts from VLS and you were very different. You had something to say. It seems all you do here is tell people (in one way or another) that they are idiots.
Impart some of your knowledge in your own posts. Your reputation goes before you. Thats your fault.
I have a personal example. I went to look at Roulette30, Kavs site, and as soon as I saw that REAL was you, I left. All the wikki, Barnhardt and Unicorn castle malarky. Thats sad, because I really want to learn from you but you just repeat the same rhetoric over and over.
@RG. If you dont like what Caleb says, then dont get involved. I actually want to enjoy the forum too you know? Not breaking up silly squabbles like a teacher at kinder school.
Come on guys...FFS!
(specific posts were removed as requested)
be thankful "Brick top" isnt a moderator here
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IcL9MlyF8wo
Quote from: Turner on May 01, 05:01 AM 2016
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IcL9MlyF8wo
Love that movie - and that character is great lol.
I like both of these guys, but I'm not getting into some Rodney King "Can't we all just get along" rant.
There is the truth and then there is opinion - they are rarely the same thing, but it's not worth arguing over either. The truth always wins over time.
Quote from: Turner on May 01, 05:01 AM 2016
well...I have to respond to "report to moderator"
Both of you have reported each other.
Its silly and counter productive.
@Caleb.....you wind people up. I was looking at your posts from VLS and you were very different. You had something to say. It seems all you do here is tell people (in one way or another) that they are idiots.
Impart some of your knowledge in your own posts. Your reputation goes before you. Thats your fault.
I have a personal example. I went to look at Roulette30, Kavs site, and as soon as I saw that REAL was you, I left. All the wikki, Barnhardt and Unicorn castle malarky. Thats sad, because I really want to learn from you but you just repeat the same rhetoric over and over.
@RG. If you dont like what Caleb says, then dont get involved. I actually want to enjoy the forum too you know? Not breaking up silly squabbles like a teacher at kinder school.
Come on guys...FFS!
(specific posts were removed as requested)
be thankful "Brick top" isnt a moderator here
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=IcL9MlyF8wo
Its the same thing with him all the time
Im tired of hearing it
Ive read through the whole thread and heres my take:
1. Caleb (general) was actually just trying to help. To steer people away from dangerous approaches that will lose you real money.
2. Rg its clear you and some others, not all, see Caleb as a thread hijacker. Again actually hes speaking the truth. So I created the new section you can discuss whatever in peace there.
3. Caleb does sometimes come across as arrogant and condecending, but mostly only after people have a go at him. And he appears to enjoy being more abrupt about facts. Rg you can comparison about him but actually your behavior on this thread has been much worse.
4. Rg you are on the wrong path if you want to do well with roulette. Ive said it before and its clear you dont want the help. Its nothing personal against you, but wilful ignorance is not a good trait. But you are a free man. And you can discuss whatever methods with likeminded people, without a word from Caleb or me, in the new section. I still have added my warning that ignoring logic is potentially very harmful. Real people bet real money and inaccurate information, in combination with ignorance, can destroy lives. So its not just about you. It would be irresponsible of me to not add a warning because some people may be misled into thinking profiting over 1000 spins with the law of a third means a winning system. Its not all fun and games when gambling destoys lives.
5. Not everyone cares about the facts and winning long term. For many players, its just a hobby and they tinker with ideas. The new section is suitable for them. But they can always find the facts on reputable websites. Its not hard to find facts if thats what theyre after.
I personally dont care what peoples opinions are, besides frustration when people argue points that are just not true, and they defy logic. But I do care when other people are affected by false information, and like I said it can destroy lives.
And rg i know youre tired of hearing the same thing. But facts wont change. And not liking someone is not reason to defy what theyre saying. Anyway, enough said, the new section is there if anyone wants it.
Jesus
Goodbye
Turbo....Well I really wouldnt of bothered if there hadnt been mod reports. You are saying the same things but no ones reporting you. Thats my point.
Of course caleb is correct
I dont believe past spins...triggers or hit and run change any odds or give you an edge over the casino
I also believe random numbers are independant so to say they have limits makes no sense....and no one has reported me either
Also ill clarify this: Im the one who said i personally wouldnt trust Caleb. Please dont use what i said as a point if argument. Ive got no problems being honest about why I said this and my opinion of him. You asked for my opinion. Basically he has a very good understanding of roulette. We dont agree on some things, but neither of us are affected by each others opinions and we are happy to disagree. I trust he has real knowledge, but I dont trust him as a person because of some minor things he had said and done a while back. Nothing major, and i wont go into details but its not something i would have personally done, or expected from someone i would trust in something like a partnership. Maybe hes a great and trustworthy guy, i dont really know him. Again what im going on are relative minor things in the past. Nobody should bother speculating and if i explained it youd likely see it as minor.
Im sure Caleb and others have their doubts about mee too. Its not a concern to me and i expect its not a concern to him either. Again please dont use my opinion you asked for as a point in an argument.
rg sorry im just saying it as i see it, right or wrong. I dont want to sugar coat anything.
You are aware of some things but far from aware of others. Im not talking just about roulette. I mean also how people are, their intentions, motives, attitudes... and your own. You are needlessly abrasive sometimes. And you know yourself you are impulsive. Dont get me wrong, you are a good guy. But fiery for nothing. I suggest just take a step back and breathe. Put pride aside and see the bigger picture. The forum is nothing. The interaction with other real people and sharing of knowledge is the value, whether its about roulette or not.
Quote from: Turner on May 01, 07:49 AM 2016
You are saying the same things but no ones reporting you. Thats my point.
Of course caleb is correct
I dont believe past spins...triggers or hit and run change any odds or give you an edge over the casino
I also believe random numbers are independant so to say they have limits makes no sense....and no one has reported me either
I'll report you if you promise to report me too. lol
Steve:
- if you want factual information and accurate advice, this board is the wrong place. Frankly its a place for wilful ignorance. But we're all free to believe whatever we want.
That was funny - in a good way. lol.
Tg I had a hard time putting it any other way. Many desperate people contact me who have ruined theirs and their familys lives with gambling. My response is always to forget about anything related to gambling.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 08:31 AM 2016
Tg I had a hard time putting it any other way. Many desperate people contact me who have ruined theirs and their familys lives with gambling. My response is always to forget about anything related to gambling.
I agree - it's probably the best advice in the world - to avoid gambling all-together.
Unless you have something that wins. >:D
Worse is the lottery - 1 in 15 million chance of winning but people will still say "I have a chance" or "Someone has to win"
and then eventually they are spending their savings on lottery tickets assured that if they just play more, they'll win.
The casino and the state's who run the lottery bank on this and it works great for them.
even better is to focus less on the pursuit of money, and more on reducing depedence of it. Isnt freedom what most players want? Not the money.
Its probably better to just stick to things that dont involve other humans :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 07:44 AM 2016
Ive read through the whole thread and heres my take:
1. Caleb (general) was actually just trying to help. To steer people away from dangerous approaches that will lose you real money.
2. Rg its clear you and some others, not all, see Caleb as a thread hijacker. Again actually hes speaking the truth. So I created the new section you can discuss whatever in peace there.
3. Caleb does sometimes come across as arrogant and condecending, but mostly only after people have a go at him. And he appears to enjoy being more abrupt about facts. Rg you can comparison about him but actually your behavior on this thread has been much worse.
4. Rg you are on the wrong path if you want to do well with roulette. Ive said it before and its clear you dont want the help. Its nothing personal against you, but wilful ignorance is not a good trait. But you are a free man. And you can discuss whatever methods with likeminded people, without a word from Caleb or me, in the new section. I still have added my warning that ignoring logic is potentially very harmful. Real people bet real money and inaccurate information, in combination with ignorance, can destroy lives. So its not just about you. It would be irresponsible of me to not add a warning because some people may be misled into thinking profiting over 1000 spins with the law of a third means a winning system. Its not all fun and games when gambling destoys lives.
5. Not everyone cares about the facts and winning long term. For many players, its just a hobby and they tinker with ideas. The new section is suitable for them. But they can always find the facts on reputable websites. Its not hard to find facts if thats what theyre after.
I personally dont care what peoples opinions are, besides frustration when people argue points that are just not true, and they defy logic. But I do care when other people are affected by false information, and like I said it can destroy lives.
And rg i know youre tired of hearing the same thing. But facts wont change. And not liking someone is not reason to defy what theyre saying. Anyway, enough said, the new section is there if anyone wants it.
I have to disagree with Steve here......
In regards to the General.....he is just looking to start fires.
After reading his posts, I realized that he doesn't actually play for profit........but simply wants to show others that he has the upper-hand in a debate. I actually had to prod him for details, because he just wanted to tell us that the game takes "hard work" to beat.........."hard work" I assume he has not done himself. He is yet another member who gets his jollies from telling other people they're wrong...........far from trying to actually help.
The fact that he feels compelled to show others where they're wrong and calls himself "the General"...........basically explains everything.
A General with no army..........I think they call that a civilian. :sad2:
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 08:40 AM 2016
even better is to focus less on the pursuit of money, and more on reducing depedence of it. Isnt freedom what most players want? Not the money.
:thumbsup:
I think (no wait, I know..) that most - if not all - people don't understand that making tons of money is when the true hell begins.
But anyway, in RG's defense as well - Over the 33+ years of doing this, there are times when you think that you've found something and it doesn't matter what anyone else says. It's just a process that has to take place I think.
As long as it's done on paper and plays out - then no money is lost, no harm done - and it ends with someone being more educated in the game then they were before. I guess that's the plus side of working on this game.
Quote from: thelaw on May 01, 09:00 AM 2016
A General with no army..........I think they call that a civilian. :sad2:
I'll fight on the guy's side - and not against the system people because I am one as well.
But I know for a fact that he's pointing out the 'truths' where others won't.
As far as starting trouble - there's always that professor in a college who knows his shit and everyone hates the guy.
There's always the 'boss' who makes a million $ a year and the employees who don't think he's a prick.
It's just human nature.
It's easy to call someone a troublemaker when they are just pointing out what's wrong.
People should look for ways to beat the game based on what the people who know are telling them - but if they want
to keep trying what's already been done, that's fine too. Telling someone not to post info that isn't correct doesn't make much sense. "I don't want to hear it so I'm not listening !" is fine - but what's the point then.
Pri's winrate has dropped from the 3s into the 2s now - continued play will have it balance with everyone else's if the person would play. 800 spins ?
There is someone in 116th place with a winrate much higher - 3.45
I don't see a thread with 80 pages and people worked up asking "how did they do that ?"
148th place has 4.36 ! What holy grail of mystery could that be ??????
A smart person would say "they haven't played enough spins yet" - then again that same person would be called
a troublemaker I'm sure.
Turbo...unfortunatly with testing it can get where you wont get in the the pool unless you dip your toe in every single square inch and you never actially get to swim
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 01, 09:12 AM 2016
It's easy to call someone a troublemaker when they are just pointing out what's wrong.
This is complete bullsh*t.
GLC............never called a troublemaker..........yet pointed out what was wrong on many occasions. :thumbsup:
Just giving a member an excuse to be a bully. By your logic.........as long as they have the logical upper hand in the debate.........then being a prick is justified. :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on May 01, 09:25 AM 2016
as long as they have the logical upper hand in the debate.........then being a prick is justified. :ooh:
Hmm. Let me think on that one lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 01, 09:20 AM 2016
Pri's winrate has dropped from the 3s into the 2s now - continued play will have it balance with everyone else's if the person would play. 800 spins ?
A smart person would say "they haven't played enough spins yet"
I am curious what my bankroll and winrate will be at 10 000 spins :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on May 01, 09:25 AM 2016
This is complete bullsh*t.
GLC............never called a troublemaker..........yet pointed out what was wrong on many occasions. :thumbsup:
Just giving a member an excuse to be a bully. By your logic.........as long as they have the logical upper hand in the debate.........then being a prick is justified. :ooh:
My point was in this ball park albeit a tad more polite
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 01, 09:34 AM 2016
I am curious what my bankroll and winrate will be at 10 000 spins :thumbsup:
:twisted:
Given enough spins, everyone will be within 0.1 of each other at -0.90 or something (grabs a calculator)
(except me in first with probably 1.5) lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 01, 09:20 AM 2016
Pri's winrate has dropped from the 3s into the 2s now - continued play will have it balance with everyone else's if the person would play. 800 spins ?
There is someone in 116th place with a winrate much higher - 3.45
I don't see a thread with 80 pages and people worked up asking "how did they do that ?"
148th place has 4.36 ! What holy grail of mystery could that be ??????
A smart person would say "they haven't played enough spins yet" - then again that same person would be called
a troublemaker I'm sure.
I must agree with Turbol.
Pri will drop further . Why ? It`s a game of luck and not a live wheel. The cat at * 148 : Ditto .
With an RNG all theory and logic are a great question mark.
No 10 horses will ever get me to a RNG especially after having played 35 years at B & M casinos and sometimes at la partage at some jurisdictins.
Tamno
I think Richard got a bit carried away last night. Perhaps he should think twice before drinking and posting.
I did my best to turn his negative attacks into something positive, but his rants and name calling continued post after post.
Quote from: The General on May 01, 12:04 PM 2016
I think Richard got a bit carried away last night. Perhaps he should think twice before drinking and posting.
I did my best to turn his negative attacks into something positive, but his rants and name calling continued post after post.
Thats ok
I am done here
Posting here is an uphill battle
I tried to start a good thread
Turbo disagrees. Turner disagrees. But theres never an issue with them. Its you and what you do on all forums. Same thing at roulette 30. You are a thorn stuck in these forums. Annoying to say the least.
This is a roulette strategy website and this post was in the testing zone.
Time and time again you cant leave me alone you have to chime in the same thing every time
You are an ass hole
Thats it from me
Have your forum
And by the way. The new section. For what?! Theres already a notepad and test zone
It is what it is
Signing off
Rich
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 01, 12:15 PM 2016
I am done here
..
Signing off
Rich
Oh hell no - you're not allowed to leave lol.
Trust me, every post I made at GG in the old days was met with insults and nonsense and arguments - you just brush it off and keep going. It turns out that most of the people who were going at it with me were right (at the time) - I just decided not to listen (at the time)
Pri has always been in the 2-3 range and thinks 2.46 is the average that they will keep.....the average has actually climbed recently with more spins 500-800 -------go figure:)
Quote from: The General on May 01, 12:04 PM 2016
I think Richard got a bit carried away last night. Perhaps he should think twice before drinking and posting.
I did my best to turn his negative attacks into something positive, but his rants and name calling continued post after post.
Thank goodness we have the General to keep things positive around here!!! :sad2:
Where would we be without him........:question:
QuoteThank goodness we have the General to keep things positive around here!!! :sad2:
Where would we be without him........:question:
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Quote from: The General on May 01, 01:37 PM 2016
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So this is actually "the General"...........looks old enough to read a Wikipedia page.............everything makes sense now. :twisted:
Hey General - one of the best scenes from one of the best movies ever.
That's you lol (and that's no insult)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Yky4QtRX_DI
You need people like me.
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say,
"That's the bad guy."
So... what that make you? Good?
You're not good.
You just know how to hide, how to lie.
Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.
So say good night to the bad guy! Come on.
The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on.
Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!
Yes!!!
Everytime I read one of RG´s systems I feel tempted to chime in and say "it won´t work", "every mechanical system is a long term loser", "there is no such thing as a Holy Grail" etc etc but in RG´s defense I think he already knows that. He just likes gambling methods and seems to be aware of the risks involved, so guys cut him some slack.
RG, again I've read through the entire thread. Caleb entered the thread with facts. You started name calling. You even posted the video about the four lettered word that starts with "C" and ends with "T" and has the initials of the "United Nations" in the middle.... And then you complained that it was allowed. You complained about your own post.
A summary on Caleb:
* He can be abrupt about what should be simple facts. I think this is necessary for some people to understand, although not everyone cares about facts.
* He gives unwelcome information and conflicting views. Its really not that uncommon on forums.
* His posts tend to start out without attitude. But they turn to more poke fun at people that get bitter with him, and refuse to acknowledge facts. This is where he's different to someone else who may point out facts. Instead of just leaving it alone and saying "go make your millions", he'll continue to present facts and adds attitude. Like in this case, he was called names so do you really expect no response? But his way of responding is not to call names. It is more calm facts, with a condescending attitude, and he knows it irritates people.
You know what he's saying is actually very basic stuff every player needs to know. At times he has been a troll, and he has been banned previously. But at least for now he is not breaking rules. He is not trolling. He gives unwelcome but accurate information. He didnt call anyone names, whereas RG you did. As far as I can see, he was being a nuisance to you by explaining facts on your thread. And I've offered you the new section so you arent bothered by him anymore. You are even able to ignore a member so you never even see their posts.
As I see it, Caleb needs to stay out of discussions when it's clear his posts arent welcome by the majority of people in the discussion. There's nothing wrong with contributing if just one other member doesnt want the advice. You cannot own a thread unless it is a private area. It is a public forum. But it is more productive to help people who actually want help. I know sometimes Caleb derives satisfaction from pointing out facts that he knows nobody can refute. It is probably for entertainment. But it only becomes entertainment when you start having a go at him. At least he's not calling people names.
My advice is learn to work around people you dont agree with. You wont agree with everyone here. You will find people you dont like or agree with everywhere in life. Learn to deal with it. If someone gives unwelcome or conflicting information, either refute it with facts, or ignore the person. Or even post in the private area. If someone is being a pest for whatever reason, there is always a simple way of dealing with it as I explained.
Nice post Steve...it took time.
But....the point is this.
Its not information....its preaching
Door to door preaching at that
If you stood up in church and started saying " There is no God" everytime someone spoke you would upset everyone and be ejected.
Now....if you got a soap box and stood on it in the Park and said the same thing, It wouldnt be stopped....people would walk past or stop to listen.
Whats the point of going into a church and saying that over and over?
Wrong audience
Listen...I may be in that church for one reason or another and actually agree with the guy but I would still be irritated by it.
I can see why poeple still see him as a troll. I know his MO
Turner yes I understand your point, but religion is different to mathematical fact. I know he puts his nose where it isnt wanted though, and he knows it irritates people. but at the same time it is important to understand basic roulette facts. The solution? People can use a separate area, ignore him and others like him etc. RG got way too worked up over it. He needed to only ignore Caleb, and if he persisted, then he needed to only let me know because persistently posting in threads where others members are getting annoyed is trolling. Its really a fine line though. Its not like he was posting irrelevant and inaccurate information. People have the right to not want to know certain things. But if fact was banned just because the publisher was a bit condescending and annoying, then it would be a slow progressing world.
I could care less if what he says is fact
I am a recreational player
And thats how i want to play
Steve you act like i am a flat earther with my ears closed to the truth. Thats annoying as well
If i want to play patterns even if there is no mathematical sense i dont need to hear it from you or him 3 times a day.
I know the facts. But as a recreational player. I Dont Care.
You act like im some idiot who is scared of facts
I know the roulette facts. Its very basic
I think only me and RG will survive 10 000 spins, me first place and RG second.✠âœ
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 02, 06:05 AM 2016I know the facts. But as a recreational player. I Dont Care.
That's fine. Nobody can tell your what your motivates are for playing roulette.
The problem is you have been saying things about roulette that just arent true. And people naturally want to correct you. After all, thats what we all do on forums. We discuss, and facts are a big part of it. Just one example is saying roulette has limits. That's just not the case and Caleb was asking for proof of your claims. He's allowed to do that. And you have the right to say "I'll do and believe my own thing".
QuoteSo, no ban 4 the c**t song ? Well this is my last "report to moderator" gl
Yes you're right. 7 day ban.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 07:41 PM 2016
RG, again I've read through the entire thread. Caleb entered the thread with facts. ...
A summary on Caleb:
* He can be abrupt about what should be simple facts. I think this is necessary for some people to understand, although not everyone cares about facts.
* He gives unwelcome information and conflicting views. Its really not that uncommon on forums.
* His posts tend to start out without attitude. But they turn to more poke fun at people that get bitter with him, and refuse to acknowledge facts. This is where he's different to someone else who may point out facts. Instead of just leaving it alone and saying "go make your millions", he'll continue to present facts and adds attitude. Like in this case, he was called names so do you really expect no response? But his way of responding is not to call names. It is more calm facts, with a condescending attitude, and he knows it irritates people.
You know what he's saying is actually very basic stuff every player needs to know. At times he has been a troll, and he has been banned previously. But at least for now he is not breaking rules. He is not trolling. He gives unwelcome but accurate information. He didnt call anyone names, whereas RG you did. As far as I can see, he was being a nuisance to you by explaining facts on your thread. And I've offered you the new section so you arent bothered by him anymore. You are even able to ignore a member so you never even see their posts.
As I see it, Caleb needs to stay out of discussions when it's clear his posts arent welcome by the majority of people in the discussion. There's nothing wrong with contributing if just one other member doesnt want the advice. You cannot own a thread unless it is a private area. It is a public forum. But it is more productive to help people who actually want help. I know sometimes Caleb derives satisfaction from pointing out facts that he knows nobody can refute. It is probably for entertainment. But it only becomes entertainment when you start having a go at him. At least he's not calling people names.
My advice is learn to work around people you dont agree with. You wont agree with everyone here. You will find people you dont like or agree with everywhere in life. Learn to deal with it. If someone gives unwelcome or conflicting information, either refute it with facts, or ignore the person. Or even post in the private area. If someone is being a pest for whatever reason, there is always a simple way of dealing with it as I explained.
Hi Steve,
what you didn´t see is: If this man caleb, (snowman, herb, xander or what his actual name may be) always pick a good contributor to the forum and makes him leave.
As long as you don´t see and realize this fact, you do allow him to ruin your business.
If he woul only tell facts, why does he has to use several names changing the name nearly every week?
If you also wanna persuade people not to play roulette, why do you sell then your tools?
Will you say, that your a liar? Do you betray your customers?
Even if a rouletteforum ist just rubish talk shouldn´t it be allowed and undisturbed?
Nothing else has caleb in mind: disturb! There is no education!
Winkel,
Posting facts and opinions on a public forum are not attacks.
I'm sorry if you believe otherwise.
Quote from: The General on May 03, 11:00 AM 2016
Winkel,
Posting facts and opinions on a public forum are not attacks.
I'm sorry if you believe otherwise.
Your next possible name: Father McKenzie
"Writing a preach for a sermon that nobody wants to hear"
Impressing "Eleanor Rigby" The Beatles
QuoteYour next possible name: Father McKenzie
"Writing a preach for a sermon that nobody wants to hear"
Impressing "Eleanor Rigby" The Beatles
How about Father Guido Sarducci ? :)
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ooops Priyanka is over 1000 spins and at 3.1 on the win rate----maybe its time for people to appreciate that instead of being so negative. Its by far the best thing I have ever seen.. still early to tell but a joy to watch till now
How many spins where bets were actually placed?
Quote from: The General on May 03, 11:18 AM 2016How many spins where bets were actually placed?
Played Spins = The amount of spins where bets were actually placed.
Winkel I'm aware he's not a perfect saint. And he was banned previously for some behavior. It was a while ago and all i'm doing now is being mindful that he is not well liked, but as far as I can see he is not being a troll. He will be a smart ass if he is attacked, and probably I would be too.
In any event, if he is a problem to you or anyone, let me know exactly what he's doing wrong, other than explaining basic concepts that are known facts. If he is giving unwelcome opinions, you can ask him to butt out , or you can just post in the system players only board where he will be shot on sight if he posts there.
It is not as if he's running around preaching that RRRRRRR means B will spin next. The information he's "preaching" is actually accurate, so says wikipedia and any other credible site.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 07:22 PM 2016, or you can just post in the system players only board where he will be shot on sight if he posts there.
Am at times amazed at the kind of solutions that you bring to the table which is a very constructive way of dealing things rather than ban people on sight. :thumbsup: You ofcourse cannot please everyone, but there is a genuine attempt to look at both majority and minority rather than acting like a democracy that favours only the majority. :thumbsup:
Nice to the Ghost back :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 10, 02:06 PM 2016
Nice to the Ghost back :thumbsup:
After the general/houston/caleb/xander leaves here and moves onto another forum i will still be around
Maybe he will move to craps and start bashing the craps players over at the craps forum. when he becomes a professional dice influencer.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 10, 02:15 PM 2016
After the general/houston/caleb/xander leaves here and moves onto another forum i will still be around
Maybe he will move to craps and start bashing the craps players over at the craps forum. when he becomes a professional dice influencer.
How about a rule where the person who started the thread, can ask anyone to leave the thread?
This would get rid of most of the members looking to start trouble....... :thumbsup:
RG is back--nice
Yes- welcome back RG.
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Free Speech - learn about it and what it is
What's with all the "I don't like what this person says so silence them from commenting" BS.
I don't get it
Theres a difference between free speech and going around various forums doing what he does
Very disruptive
Others hold similar view points but dont conduct bafoonery on this scale
If i decide to play mary had a little lamb and if 2 reds come during the song i then bet black thats my choice.
Noone wants to silence anyone. But there is a level of tact that should be kept. He acts like he is 3 years old.
P.s. you mention patterns being predictable. Thats the road priyanka went down successfully
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link:://:.thewrap.com/study-finds-online-trolls-bad-people-offline/
A new report from the University of Manitoba finds that people who troll on the Internet exhibit traits of “sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism†in real life
According to a new study published by the University of Manitoba, internet trolls â€" people who commonly lurk on message boards and post offensive material to get a rise out of people â€" exhibit anti-social behavior in their offline settings as well.
The research, conducted by University of Manitoba Erin Buckels and two colleagues, revealed that those who trolled online also tended to have the “Dark Tetrad of personality†â€" featuring traits of “sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.â€
The study concluded that “enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism. Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism.â€
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RG can you please just let it go? You are wasting so much time and energy on what's just shit. We all know what Caleb can be like, or has been like in the past. But as long as he's not breaking any rules he's entitled to share his opinion and knowledge. I've already explained what you or anyone can do if you dont like what someone has to say.
Quote from: Steve on May 10, 07:06 PM 2016
RG can you please just let it go?
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