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Title: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 02:27 AM 2016
Following on from recent discussions, I thought I would have a punt at a 4 row dozen method, taking advantage of (what seems) like a healthy win rate, with regards to patterns (or regular gaps) that hit time and time again - with little risk.

So what I've been looking at over the last 2-3 weeks are the gaps between dozens and DS and trying to create something from them.

By gap I mean if dozen 1 hits, followed by dozen 2, the gap is 1. Dozen 3 and dozen 1, the gap is 2 and same dozens have no gap. So there are 3 possibilities, playing the dozens.

Now what I did was lay them out in 4 rows and noticed that the gaps love to repeat twice. By this I mean :

1 2 1 3

In terms of gaps you could write:

112

See the repeat of 1?

Another:

3 1 3 3

See the gap of 22 at the beginning?

So the method Behind all these shennanigans is to wait for 2 dozens to spin eg

1 1

Now bet for a repeat gap in the following 2 spins to complete the row. In the above example you would bet dozen 1.

1 1 2

Dozen 2 hits, so now bet dozen 1 to repeat the 1 gap.

1 1 2 3 loss on this row

Start again in next row... Here are some actuals

1   1   1   2. Win
3   2   1   2. Win
1   2   3   1.  Win
2   3   2   2. Win
2   3   3   3. Win
2   3   3   3. Win
1   1   3   3. Loss
1   3   3   2.  Loss
1   1   3   3.  Loss
2   2   2   2.  Win
2   2   2   1.  Win
3   2   2   1.  Loss
1   1   2   1.  Win
1   2   2   3.  Loss
3   3   1   2.  Win
3   3   1   3.  Win
3   2   2   1.  Loss

Remember we are only betting 1 dozen here so no need for crazy progressions if at all. Hopefully you'll start to see its power too.

BW
3   2   2   2
2   2   3   2
3   1   1   2
1   2   2   3
2   3   3   1
2   1   3   1
3   3   3   3
3   3   1   2
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 02:45 AM 2016
I meant to say 'mostly' betting 1 dozen.

Course if it is

1 2

Then you have to bet for dozens 1 and 3 to get the gap of 1 either side of the 2.

BW
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: sniper on May 12, 02:55 AM 2016
Hello Buffalowizard,

Thanks for your interesting system.

Regards and best wishes.
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 05:04 AM 2016
Thanks for an interesting system.

I tried to run your numbers and I got some questions marks
1   1   1   2. Win (Bet 1, win, stop)
3   2   1   2. Win (Bet 1, win, stop)
1   2   3   1.  Win (Bet 1 and 3, win, stop)
2   3   2   2. Win (Bet 1, loose, Bet 1, loose) ?
2   3   3   3. Win (Bet 1, loose, Bet 3, win)
2   3   3   3. Win (Bet 1, loose, Bet 3, win)
1   1   3   3. Loss (Bet 1, loose, Bet 2, loose)
1   3   3   2.  Loss (Bet 2, loose, Bet 3, loose)
1   1   3   3.  Loss (Bet 1, loose, Bet 2, loose)
2   2   2   2.  Win (Bet 2, win, stop)
2   2   2   1.  Win (Bet 2, win, stop)
3   2   2   1.  Loss (Bet 1, loose, Bet 2, loose)
1   1   2   1.  Win  (Bet 1, loose, Bet 1 and 3, win)
1   2   2   3.  Loss (Bet 1, loose, Bet 2, loose)
3   3   1   2.  Win (Bet 3, loose, Bet 2, win)
3   3   1   3.  Win (Bet 3, loose, Bet 2, loose)?
3   2   2   1.  Loss (Bet 1, loose, Bet 2, loose)
Can you please explain if I'm doing wrong?

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 05:07 AM 2016
Can you also run an example here is 36 spin numbers:
32
15
24
30
12
3
7
34
4
6
18
34
6
5
11
15
24
17
18
26
4
8
8
16
15
28
22
21
12
10
1
15
19
0
1
31
Thanks

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: atlantis on May 12, 06:12 AM 2016
Hi tuddilue,

I listened to "Everybody Dance" by Chic (70's disco groove) and it really sounds like they say your name after the ...everybody dance... tuddilue.. or toodiloo?
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4

:)  :)   :)

A.
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 06:30 AM 2016
Quote from: atlantis on May 12, 06:12 AM 2016
Hi tuddilue,

I listened to "Everybody Dance" by Chic (70's disco groove) and it really sounds like they say your name after the ...everybody dance... tuddilue.. or toodiloo?
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx81aG-EN4

:)  :)   :)

A.

Hi Atlantis!
He he yes I hear it! Funny!
The nickname comes from when I was a child and answered the phone I always said tuddilue instead of Hi.

So for me when I post something I always smile because I think I always says Hi first
;) ;)

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 07:50 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue

2322 < here you win on the first bet. After the 23, you would bet on the second dozen to complete the repeat gap of 1. I hope this makes sense, just say if not!


3313 < here you win on the second bet, after 331, you have a gap of 2 and so would bet for the 3rd dozen and it wins.

I will run over those numbers a bit later mate, thanks

Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 08:03 AM 2016
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 12, 07:50 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue

2322 < here you win on the first bet. After the 23, you would bet on the second dozen to complete the repeat gap of 1. I hope this makes sense, just say if not!


3313 < here you win on the second bet, after 331, you have a gap of 2 and so would bet for the 3rd dozen and it wins.

I will run over those numbers a bit later mate, thanks
Thanks!

The first I understand.  But the second one I can't understand. I mean the row before are
3 3 1 2
There you wins on the second bet by betting 2. But if it is a 3 on the end shouldn't that be a loss?

Yes looking forward for it. It is always simpler to understand a spin example. Good strategy otherwise!

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 10:16 AM 2016
Ok so winning examples are as follows

Gaps of 1:
123
212
321

Gaps of 2:
313
131

Gaps of 0:
111
222
333

So all these combinations within the 4 spins are winners. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: dennisbelle on May 12, 10:43 AM 2016
BW,
  If you have 3 3 1 2 you have 33 which is a gap of 0 then you have 31 which is a gap of 2 so wouldn't that be a loss?
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:13 AM 2016
Hi Dennis,

Yes that example is a loss. My mistake that one!

Tuddilue was also asking about a 3313 which is a winning line with a 22 gap.

Losses are as follows

2132
3312
1122
2211
2133
1332
3322
2233
2331
3221
1223

BW
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 11:23 AM 2016
Quote from: dennisbelle on May 12, 10:43 AM 2016
BW,
  If you have 3 3 1 2 you have 33 which is a gap of 0 then you have 31 which is a gap of 2 so wouldn't that be a loss?
This one I do not understand.
First gap of 0, betting 3 -> loss
Second gap of 2, betting 2 -> win
Am I not correct?
- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:27 AM 2016
If you have 31 then that is a gap of 2.

Therefore to have a repeating gap of 2, you need to bet 3 again to make 313.

You see how there is now a gap of 22 between them?

212 is a 11 gap
313 is a 22 gap
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 12, 11:33 AM 2016
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:27 AM 2016
If you have 31 then that is a gap of 2.

Therefore to have a repeating gap of 2, you need to bet 3 again to make 313.

You see how there is now a gap of 22 between them?

212 is a 11 gap
313 is a 22 gap
Aha it is the repeat that you are betting at. Now I understand. Thanks for your patience!!
-Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:41 AM 2016
No problem, there are many potential variations with this one- good luck !
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: dennisbelle on May 12, 11:44 AM 2016
BW,
  In your first post you said "1 1 2

Dozen 2 hits, so now bet dozen 1 to repeat the 1 gap.

1 1 2 3 loss on this row"  But wouldn't you be betting dozen 1 and 3 since both of those would cause a gap of 1 (after the 1 1 2 shows)?  So 1 1 2 3 would
be a win.  Is that correct?

Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:53 AM 2016
Your right again Dennis! I posted that way too early on way to work, but hope you get a sense of it
There are the occasional double dozen bets when dozen 2 is stuck in the middle.
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: dennisbelle on May 12, 12:04 PM 2016
BW,
  Thanks for your clarification!  Interesting concept.  I will do some testing.  Thanks for posting this.
Dennis
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: NextYear on May 12, 01:41 PM 2016
Quote from: tuddilue on May 12, 06:30 AM 2016The nickname comes from when I was a child and answered the phone I always said tuddilue instead of Hi.

Nice, just was about to ask you does it have a meaning!
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: Celticknits on May 12, 09:25 PM 2016
Quote from: nextyear on May 12, 01:41 PM 2016
Nice, just was about to ask you does it have a meaning!

Gotta love the ENglish language.
Here it means exactly the opposite ie. good bye. :lol:

-Celtic
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 13, 02:49 AM 2016
Quote from: Celticknits on May 12, 09:25 PM 2016
Gotta love the ENglish language.
Here it means exactly the opposite ie. good bye. :lol:

-Celtic
I have understand that. Everyone looks so strange on me when starting a conversation with tuddilue  O0
- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 13, 02:52 AM 2016
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 12, 07:50 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue

...

I will run over those numbers a bit later mate, thanks
Hi buffalowizard
Did you run the numbers?
Just curious..
-Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 17, 08:25 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,

sorry, I just remembered to run over your spins, which as it happens seem to fall very favourably with this method. Thanks!

3 2 2 3   W
1 1 1 3   W
1 1 2 3   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 2 2 3   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 3 2 2   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 1 3      L?

Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 17, 09:09 AM 2016
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 17, 08:25 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,

sorry, I just remembered to run over your spins, which as it happens seem to fall very favourably with this method. Thanks!

3 2 2 3   W
1 1 1 3   W
1 1 2 3   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 2 2 3   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 3 2 2   W
1 1 1 2   W
2 1 3      L?
No problem. Interesting that it works so good  :wink:
The only one I do not understand is the first one:
3223
Shouldn't that be a loss?
I mean :
32 - 1 gap bet 3 - loss
322 - 0 gap bet 2 - loss

Or are you betting 1 and 3 on the last one?

Thanks..

- Tuddilue
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: buffalowizard on May 17, 09:40 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,

Yes, I stand corrected that was a loss there. Still , not a bad hit rate !
Title: Re: The Dirty Dozens
Post by: tuddilue on May 17, 10:23 AM 2016
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 17, 09:40 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,

Yes, I stand corrected that was a loss there. Still , not a bad hit rate !
That I can agree on!  :twisted: