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So let's hear it....

Den its 4
If its whats been staring at me for the last 10 years, then it's a piece of piss.
So far 3 cycles is all it takes, a member said why 111 spins, well at the time i didn't see what i see now.

Bill Duke, " i see you "

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The above has been laughing at me for the last 10 years.
Thats a dreadful set of spins and wins £31, even KTF won more, but this wins more than KTF, overall

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Here whats staring at me, wins £561, even KTF won £65, priyanka thanks for the tester, without it i'd still be scratching me head.

Den it's there you just got to look

Den if it keeps winning i'll change my vote to 2

I already found the Holy Grail and I've already shared it with you guys a long time ago... that doesn't mean it can't be improved upon.

Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 11, 08:39 AM 2017
Den if it keeps winning i'll change my vote to 2

I hope for you it will. Seriously.
My advice is to power test it.
;)

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 11, 08:41 AM 2017
I already found the Holy Grail and I've already shared it with you guys a long time ago... that doesn't mean it can't be improved upon.

I've must of missed that. Which post was that ?

Seriously Den, no fu-cking about you look at those charts its staring at you, Remember Rg said the old bloke wished he never got it tested, so just look at  the graphs, honest Den its a piece of piss, oh yeah not columns.

Quote from: denzie on Mar 11, 08:50 AM 2017
I've must of missed that. Which post was that ?

Ask Priyanka (if she doesn't have you on ignore) - she knows the post where I revealed the HG.

Den in your hot to cold topic reply 6 wins £353, i know saying just look but its there.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 11, 08:54 AM 2017
Ask Priyanka (if she doesn't have you on ignore) - she knows the post where I revealed the HG.

But i bet the tracking is so envolved, post a graph like mine using Pri's tester

Pretty straight forward re: tracking. But Priyanka and dem lot don't want you guys knowing the HG! :xd: Priyanka thinks I'm a loose cannon, so rather than contact me and say "don't share the HG!!!!" she's decided to totally cut me off hoping I'll just go away and forget about it... :twisted:

So the question is: what would you do if you saw somebody was close to exposing the HG on forums and about to kill the game of Roulette so that none of us could make money anymore? Would you just sit back on the edge of your seat, silent, and hope the threat disappears... or would you try to distract the person from gaining the final piece of the puzzle... or would you contact them with an honest email explaining the dangers of revealing the HG and how they don't realise how close they are to it?

50 unit on each number??

Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 11, 08:15 AM 2017

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The above has been laughing at me for the last 10 years.
Thats a dreadful set of spins and wins £31, even KTF won more, but this wins more than KTF, overall

You see... it lost! It can take up to 500 spins for all sleepers to show - you'd then be down big time!! I hope you are not in debt, my friend. I wish I could help, but I only have 4 grand savings. Fortunately, no student loans, credit cards, or other debts of my own though. I wonder how much my Macbook Pro retina is worth... I better give it to you before the bailiffs get hold of it.

888 spins so 8 games +7317 so good enough, i'll let you know when it goes down, if that happens by the way

I voted to share the HG because it will not affect me nor casinos simply because very few people will hear about it, forget it, just play the way they have always done etc. etc.


Brian

Yes, I also voted to share the HG -- we are all here working for a common purpose and fighting the same enemy.

Mods.....can you delete reply 18 pls ?

It's already enough there's another bullsh!t  thread about that.

Very much appreciated

Bleep and Doc....

I for one think we never ever should put it on forums. COZ THE CASINO'S WILL CHANGE THE RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a fact.----------> They did it already in the past. <---------Even before there was a thing called Internet.

THEY WILL CHANGE SOMETHING! !!!!!!!

Add numbers,  maybe another 0 , the pay out,  .......

THEY WILL NOT ALLOW A GAME THAT WILL MAKE THEM GO BANKRUPT.

Of course this is my opinion and common sense.  :)

Not sure I share that opinion Denzie.
What percentage of people playing roulette in a b & m casino frequent forums and in particular this one?
I've thought for years now that the 0.001% of people that regularly earn money from roulette don't take it from the casino, but from the 99.999% of punters who lose their money there.
Why does this forum exist then?
So we can pick up the HG and then scurry away into the shadows, never to return here?
Or to share and refine ideas together, so we have a chance to earn some money from it?
I remember you first coming here and sharing ideas that you thought were long term winners. What has changed your mind?

Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 11, 06:17 PM 2017
I remember you first coming here and sharing ideas that you thought were long term winners. What has changed your mind?

Reality. That has changed my mind. All those pen and paper systems just doesn't win long term. EC's,  Doz and columns and streets,....after all the years reality showed me they can't win. They really can't.

There's only one way....bet the numbers that hit above average. It is what it is.

OK now about those 0,001%.... why they put a 0 and 00 on the wheel ? Why they build in table limits?  Why the pay out isn't fair ? Why they spin faster and faster ? Why...... you get my point.

I can guarantee you. ....if they read a system/method/strategy that actually works on whatever forum.....they will fix that problem asap. The news about winning spreads so fast even b4 Internet ever existed.

They will fix that problem. It's just common sense. Again imo.

Quote from: ewarwoowar on Mar 11, 06:17 PM 2017
Why does this forum exist then?

Coz most of us can't find a way to get rich. Or maybe not rich but have the easy life. It sure isn't gonna happen with working.

Every person who ever got in contact with gambling saw the light. They thought it's easy to win. Till they actually go in deeper. We all saw it isn't that easy as we thought. So we're not giving up and weeks go by,  months , years....at this point you spend so much work and time in it you can't just let go. Coz that would make us a....yep loser.

But I can assure you...if each and every one of us could code and be smart enough to  find a hg ....meaning they don't need any help testing there ideas. ...they wouldn't be here.

Imo again

Doesn't seem like a single person read my Vegas presentation based on Random Thoughts... you can only win by constraining the animal inside the cage.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 11, 07:01 PM 2017
Doesn't seem like a single person read my Vegas presentation based on Random Thoughts... you can only win by constraining the animal inside the cage.

Falkor.....seriously. .... nobody understand a word your saying. Nobody knows where your hg is. Just talk clear and people will test your stuff. Just don't be disappointed if someone shows you the truth. I saw you put a lot of effort in roulette. But really. .... nobody understand you.

Talk clear or don't talk at all. I meant this in a positive way.  :)

Is this not clear?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18624.0

Quote from: denzie on Mar 11, 07:06 PM 2017
Falkor.....seriously. .... nobody understand a word your saying. Nobody knows where your hg is. Just talk clear and people will test your stuff. Just don't be disappointed if someone shows you the truth. I saw you put a lot of effort in roulette. But really. .... nobody understand you.

Talk clear or don't talk at all. I meant this in a positive way.  :)

Denzie,

We complain about Mr J.................................Steve makes excuses..............and does nothing.

We complain about the General (Caleb) .............Steve makes excuses..............and does nothing.

We complain about Falkor...............................Steve makes excuses..............and does nothing.

You would think that with all of the trouble that Mr J and Caleb caused Steve personally, he would at least have learned to keep Olympic-level trolls out of the forums.

I like Steve.....................but what the hell? :question:

Law what are u talking about? Like any mod, i maintain the balance between free speech and proper moderation. It's not our job to resolve arguments.

Caleb goes too far sometimes so got moderated.  He is still welcome if he respects the rules.

And ken is just a dick to everyone now banned. For a while he was borderline but tipped over the edge.

As for falkor, he is allowed his opinions. But shouldn't bring irrelevant things to other people's threads.

I do not do nothing. It's a delicate balance to not over or under moderate.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 11, 09:54 PM 2017
Law what are u talking about? Like any mod, i maintain the balance between free speech and proper moderation. It's not our job to resolve arguments.

As for falkor, he is allowed his opinions. But shouldn't bring irrelevant things to other people's threads.

I do not do nothing. It's a delicate balance to not over or under moderate.

I fully understand the balance, but Falkor is a simple troll...nothing more. Each and every post or response is designed to be confusing and to create chaos.

Go back and look at his posts: he presents "methods" that are unclear and filled with excessive complex data that he refuses to explain to anyone, he responds to questions with evasive and confusing explanations or descriptions, and now he's actively posting in threads where he's been asked to leave by the OP.

This is same bs that Ken was slinging with his "secret" methods.

A forum is designed to be a place where people can openly share information.........Ken refused to do it before, and now Falkor is playing the same game.

But go ahead and act like this is a "freedom of speech" issue, the same way you did with Caleb and Ken.

What happens when you allow a free-for-all with trolls like Falkor?............:. rouletteforum.com!!! :yawn:

Ill check post history later but it helps to report any posts you feel breaks the rules. the rules are very reasonable.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 11, 07:30 PM 2017
Is this not clear?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18624.0

Absolutely not.

Casinos are greedy bastards.  (Cheating too!!)

Brian

Quote from: bleep24 on Mar 12, 04:50 AM 2017
Casinos are greedy bastards.  (Cheating too!!)

True. But a casino is a business like any other. What's the point of having a business?  Yep , growing and making profit. Ask yourself this: what if I owned a casino?  You probably do exactly the same.  Imo

Quote from: thelaw on Mar 11, 10:24 PM 2017
I fully understand the balance, but Falkor is a simple troll...nothing more. Each and every post or response is designed to be confusing and to create chaos.

Go back and look at his posts: he presents "methods" that are unclear and filled with excessive complex data that he refuses to explain to anyone, he responds to questions with evasive and confusing explanations or descriptions, and now he's actively posting in threads where he's been asked to leave by the OP.

This is same bs that Ken was slinging with his "secret" methods.

A forum is designed to be a place where people can openly share information.........Ken refused to do it before, and now Falkor is playing the same game.

But go ahead and act like this is a "freedom of speech" issue, the same way you did with Caleb and Ken.

What happens when you allow a free-for-all with trolls like Falkor?............:. rouletteforum.com!!! :yawn:

:thumbsup:

Quote from: denzie on Mar 12, 04:39 AM 2017
Absolutely not.

Ha,ha,ha, exactly!! Thelaw says - I fully understand the balance, but Falkor is a simple troll...nothing more. Each and every post or response is designed to be confusing and to create chaos.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: denzie on Mar 12, 04:39 AM 2017
Absolutely not.

I personally find enough of it is clear. The problem is the theories are just wrong.

For one thing, there are no limits to random. Thinking otherwise is not understanding mid high school math. It's very basic stuff. There are lots of other mistakes.

I think falkor might actually believe what he says.  But he has just incorrect theories. That's allowed.

What's not allowed is stringing people along claiming to have the hg but just baiting. If anyone thinks anyone is doing that they just report posts and contact me directly. It's important i have actual examples, not just complaints.

How can you not see the limits of Random...? So we cannot even agree that 1+1=2?

I say there are limits; Steve says there is no limits. Steve observes ships disappearing over the horizon; I bring the ships back again with a zoom camera since it's an optical illusion due to perspective.

So we cannot even agree on basic observations and tests... no point continuing discussion?

Quote from: blueman on Mar 12, 07:00 AM 2017
Ha,ha,ha, exactly!! Thelaw says - I fully understand the balance, but Falkor is a simple troll...nothing more. Each and every post or response is designed to be confusing and to create chaos.  :thumbsup:

Been like that since day one

I remember when he came

He promised a holy grail by xmas

The thread dragged on with his chaotic explanations

Then I think he was banned

Then came back and started the thread millionaires system

As the days pass I believe more and more chaos is what he wants

No one is that crazy

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 12:00 PM 2017
Been like that since day one

I remember when he came

He promised a holy grail by xmas

The thread dragged on with his chaotic explanations

Then I think he was banned

Then came back and started the thread millionaires system

As the days pass I believe more and more chaos is what he wants

No one is that crazy

I noticed it. I ignore it and do not read. :thumbsup:

What is the actual strategy is? :question:

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 11:10 AM 2017
How can you not see the limits of Random...? So we cannot even agree that 1+1=2?

I say there are limits; Steve says there is no limits. Steve observes ships disappearing over the horizon; I bring the ships back again with a zoom camera since it's an optical illusion due to perspective.

So we cannot even agree on basic observations and tests... no point continuing discussion?

There's nothing to limit random except the limit of possibility. It's a really basic concept.

Yes ships disappear over the curve. I posted clear images of it. You posted video of a small blurry boat that's not far enough.

Honestly it's like talking to 2 year old except you can type.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 04:52 PM 2017
There's nothing to limit random except the limit of possibility. It's a really basic concept.

Yes ships disappear over the curve. I posted clear images of it. You posted video of a small blurry boat that's not far enough.

Honestly it's like talking to 2 year old except you can type.

So you don't agree that a dozen repeat has a limit of 4 spins?

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 05:21 PM 2017
So you don't agree that a dozen repeat has a limit of 4 spins?

Nope

Can have 0 show

You are just being a smart arse, RG...  >:D

I guess

So in 4 spins not including 0 a dozen repeat will end that cycle

No way around that

But knowing that won't help us win!?

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 05:47 PM 2017
I guess

So in 4 spins not including 0 a dozen repeat will end that cycle

No way around that

But knowing that won't help us win!?

Yes it will help - it's the main framework to beating the game! Without it you cannot win in the long run..

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 12, 05:21 PM 2017
So you don't agree that a dozen repeat has a limit of 4 spins?

NO, I DONT AGREE THERES A LIMIT OF 4 SPINS

I have seen many runs of 5 or more spins all from one particular dozen. Excluding 0, the probably of 5 spins in the same dozen is 1 in 3x3x3x3x3 =  243.

Check enough spins and you see there's no limit except what's possible. Possibility has known limit.

Falkor you have absolutely no idea. I'm sorry but there are 5 year old kids with better logic and understanding than you. And it's not limited to one area.

Please don't go around claiming to know the secrets of random and the holy grail. It actually degrades forum productivity and integrity. This is not the right forum for you.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 09:54 PM 2017NO, I DONT AGREE THERES A LIMIT OF 4 SPINS

Steve I think he meant at least one dozen will repeat in 4 spins if zeroes don't appear.  That statement is true.

Guys,
I already raised this exact issue 10 days ago on the how to beat Las Vegas thread:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18624.msg173596#msg173596

The point about excluding zeros in discussing cycles needs to be mentioned in the original PHP slide.

Of course, the zeros will still matter in the end when you start betting on dozens with real money.

Steve misunderstood what falkor was saying. Rightfully so because he is outlandish a lot of times

That being said

Knowing a dozen will repeat within 4 spins excluding zeros cannot help us win

It's like saying in 10 million spins red and black will be about equal

It's actually no different. We don't know if or when a dozen will repeat.  It's the same concept of the law of a third. You still aren't changing the odds. Your bet selection accuracy is the same as random.

It's like saying after 3 spins at least 1 color will repeat. But try that theory to increase accuracy of predictions.

Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 12, 10:17 PM 2017
Steve I think he meant at least one dozen will repeat in 4 spins if zeroes don't appear.  That statement is true.

Okay -- for the sake of discussion, let's say we ignore the zeros.

Let's say we have the following spins appear (in terms of dozens):

3 (oldest dozen)
1
2

Again, ignoring the zeros for the time being, how do we know which dozen will be the first to repeat?

Is it going to be 1?
Or 2?
Or  3?

How do we exploit this dozen repeat principle that the Pigeon Hole Principle is talking about in actually making a winning bet on the ensuing spin?

Surely, we are not going to place a bet on all three dozens for the next spin, are we?  :question: :twisted:

Yes there are many combinations. The point is you aren't changing odds so the outcome is still the same as random bets.

The free software i published free shows this for anyone

To determine patterns for anything, not just roulette, you need properly defined references, and variables for your equations. The past few spins is a very weak reference and set of variables unless you have other data to go with it.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 11:12 PM 2017

Knowing a dozen will repeat within 4 spins excluding zeros cannot help us win

Completely agree with you.

Guys, as Pri has said before: Non-Random doesn't work out of the box - but it's the essential pre-requisite for beating the game!

So what's so good about a dozen repeat in 4 spins (excluding 0)? Well it helps us construct the first side of the cage - or a better analogy would be a 2D cage ahead of a 3D cage:
(link:s://s3.postimg.org/dibsu86yr/cage.jpg)

You see the cages above? They are 5 bars wide... forming how many vertical spaces between the bars?

Falkor i disagree.

Without birds in the cage, you won't know the breed and food you'll need. Even if you had birds, they would be squished in a 2d cage. You need to start 3d.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 06:33 AM 2017
Falkor i disagree.

Without birds in the cage, you won't know the breed and food you'll need. Even if you had birds, they would be squished in a 2d cage. You need to start 3d.

You miss the point... how wide are the cages and how much space have they got to move about?

I think you miss the point. The bird can fly in and out of the cage and doesn't give a crap what anyone thinks it should be able to do.

No no no! We have to trap them inside the cage with limited space to maneuver..
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If you test properly, you'll find the bird doesn't give a crap what you think. It does what it does regardless.

What you posted is cryptic and vague. Its basically baiting which is against the rules. If you are going to share a principle, please be clear. Don't play games and make people guess.

Of what u could understand, it was incorrect. But in this case its mostly guessing wtf you are on about. With weird images.

Be clear and give a specific example to prove your theories. Im starting to see what people have against you.

QuoteIf you test properly, you'll find the bird doesn't give a crap what you think. It does what it does regardless.

But it's limited to 4 spins?

RRRRR.... no limit, right? We could get 6 reds in a row, 12 or 22? Where the cage/limit for reds in a row? There isn't one...

13215... bet the 2nd to last line on a rolling basis... where's the limit for FTL? There isn't one...

That's why nobody can beat the game because they bet randomly within a limitless framework. Nothing vague about that whatsoever.

There are no limits.

Limitless framework?

You appear to be contradicting yourself.  Yes you are still being vague.

Im not sure anyone has a clue what you're saying

I've been nice to him in the past as others have asking him to explain what he is saying

Instead of doing that, he writes an entire novel as an answer that no one understands

I think it's on purpose

Oh well

Steve are you going to make a real ignore feature

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 07:23 AM 2017
There are no limits.

Limitless framework?

You appear to be contradicting yourself.  Yes you are still being vague.

Im not sure anyone has a clue what you're saying

But I thought we all agreed on a limit of 4 spins excluding zero!?  :question: So once again it seems we cannot agree on basic tests/observations. That doesn't mean I'm being vague; that's simply your excuse for not agreeing with the facts, like ships not disappearing over the horizon.

Let's see what others think about limits vs. no limits?

Falkor show me where i ever agreed on a limit of 4 spins.

Rg there is already an ignore member feature. But it's not good in principle because you still see responses to their messages.

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 07:38 AM 2017
Falkor show me where i ever agreed on a limit of 4 spins.

Rg there is already an ignore member feature. But it's not good in principle because you still see responses to their messages.

I know you haven't agree yet - but at least RG and Dr. both agreed on the limit - once the exclusion of zero was clarified; my bad for overlooking that.

Knowing that within 4 spins a dozen will repeat or within 3 spins a color will repeat does not in anyway at all help us win

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 13, 07:48 AM 2017
I know you haven't agree yet - but at least RG and Dr. both agreed on the limit - once the exclusion of zero was clarified; my bad for overlooking that.

Falkor now telling Steve what he will believe in the future...... :sad2:

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Only one way to fight this Steve..........Remote Viewing!!! :lol:

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 13, 10:27 AM 2017
Knowing that within 4 spins a dozen will repeat or within 3 spins a color will repeat does not in anyway at all help us win

Do you have any idea how many hours Priyanka has spent in the Random Thoughts topic or how many hours I wasted on my slide-show making the case for the complete opposite to your assumption?

Well not my fault you are wasting your time

House edge stays same

Enjoy the game

Well, at least some of us have benefited from all the hard work - myself included - but ignorant assumptions lead nowhere; your replies are counter-productive...

Falkor,
I work well quad cycle, and dozen cycle, both put a lot of chips.
I thank a lot of work !
Regards
Zoltan

Quote from: XXedos on Mar 13, 12:36 PM 2017
Falkor,
I work well quad cycle, and dozen cycle, both put a lot of chips.
I thank a lot of work !
Regards
Zoltan

Good to hear!

Remember, guys: tracking for multiple repeats of dozens = less dozens involved! Here's first dozen to 3 repeats alongside Dozen Cycles (taking place inside a cage):

(link:s://s15.postimg.org/qis2azrjf/frames.png)

Dozen 1 wins!!!  :thumbsup:

Manz don't know innit... You get me, like?

(link:s://s12.postimg.org/hgpl3ugd9/Slide3.png)

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 13, 12:06 PM 2017
Well, at least some of us have benefited from all the hard work - myself included - but ignorant assumptions lead nowhere; your replies are counter-productive...

I think you need a wake up call

We all love roulette

But you make it something it is not

You need a wake up call on many levels

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 13, 01:21 PM 2017
I think you need a wake up call

We all love roulette

But you make it something it is not

You need a wake up call on many levels

You're the one who sleeps on a spinning ball every night... you might as well sleep in a coffin... wasted life

So much I want to say to that

But I will leave it

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 13, 01:28 PM 2017
you might as well sleep in a coffin... wasted life

Says the guy who spends hours each day creating "slide-shows" to troll other members on a tiny roulette forum. :sad2:

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That gif sums it up

:xd:

I fixed it

It needed a troll face

(link:s://media1.giphy.com/media/hZA3Q2Bfno5fW/giphy.gif)

Agreed.

As a child of divorce..........Milhouse doesn't deserve that . :thumbsup: