Poll
Question:
If you Created a Profitable system? Would you.....
Option 1: A. Share only with close friends so they can profit
Option 2: B. Share it with Everyone in the forum
Option 3: C. Create a website with automated system and charge members to use it
Option 4: D. Just keep it for yourself
I know this topic gets maybe created every week, so what the heck another one *Dj Khaled voice lol
I personally think C is the best option. Everyone can benefit if system is producing good money, Im making money for sharing with everyone without disclosing the method.
I worked with nick last year and he helped me come up with a sheet for a vdw, nle, method. Both method work because your not betting all over the place and they seem to keep the game close to 50/50. Add a good money management method and it works.
I created a method based off the nle thread but the system is on dozens/columns. Now im about trying to make income. So im thinking I can get a website started and charge members to use the system(invite only type of membership).
*sorry for bad grammar and any spelling mistakes. 4am here lol
i just wonder if your thing is that good and earns money why the feck you waste time posting at 4am instead smash the roulette and casino and go in bed...next day ...oh well i guess do it again....but i dont think thats the case :thumbsup:
I think you are right Maestro!
What money means to say is that 'I am a frustrated gambler with hardly any bankroll and I think this thing kinda works, so I will round up a few gullible punters and use them as guinea pigs. After all that would be a win/win situation. If they lose, it's no skin of my nose and if they win, great! I get a free bankroll'
Does that sound about right?
My advice would be to grow a pair and go use your own money if you think something works and either sink or swim.
I worked with nick last year and he helped me come up with a sheet for a vdw, nle, method. Both method work because your not betting all over the place and they seem to keep the game close to 50/50. Add a good money management method and it works.
So the part thats of concern is money management, as with all methods. Then the type of bet.
Now aren't we told it must be flat bet, progressions are a NO,NO.
So whats the easiest method you know of. Could it be just flat bet the non-hit? I know this wins often, but there are times when it wont as RFH appears like in all methods, but if profit out ways the RFH's, then thats a winner.
So im thinking I can get a website started and charge members to use the system(invite only type of membership). Are you steve?
Will Bleep, Brian, get free membership
Quote from: maestro on Mar 30, 06:00 AM 2017
i just wonder if your thing is that good and earns money why the feck you waste time posting at 4am instead smash the roulette and casino and go in bed...next day ...oh well i guess do it again....but i dont think thats the case :thumbsup:
Couldnt sleep so i was up testing. Then i thought about whats the best route to take if it was as profitable as it seems.
No reason to attack me. Just speaking my mind and i made a poll to make it fun. Lighten up!
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 30, 06:37 AM 2017
I think you are right Maestro!
What money means to say is that 'I am a frustrated gambler with hardly any bankroll and I think this thing kinda works, so I will round up a few gullible punters and use them as guinea pigs. After all that would be a win/win situation. If they lose, it's no skin of my nose and if they win, great! I get a free bankroll'
Does that sound about right?
My advice would be to grow a pair and go use your own money if you think something works and either sink or swim.
I have played with my own money. I didnt make much cause i tested on an rng machine for change. But I came out ahead. I also then tested on airball and i was ahead but i didnt make all the plays because i couldnt keep up and calculate and wager at the same time. so i was ahead on paper.
Its the reason why i needed a spreadsheet to do all the calculating for me. During gameplay its to fast to check what to bet on and then check how much to wager on it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 30, 06:51 AM 2017
I worked with nick last year and he helped me come up with a sheet for a vdw, nle, method. Both method work because your not betting all over the place and they seem to keep the game close to 50/50. Add a good money management method and it works.
So the part thats of concern is money management, as with all methods. Then the type of bet.
Now aren't we told it must be flat bet, progressions are a NO,NO.
So whats the easiest method you know of. Could it be just flat bet the non-hit? I know this wins often, but there are times when it wont as RFH appears like in all methods, but if profit out ways the RFH's, then thats a winner.
So im thinking I can get a website started and charge members to use the system(invite only type of membership). Are you steve?
Ive been very supportive of your ktf and other ideas. No reason to come at me like this. Its just a simple poll.
If you had something that makes money what would you do? Based on the A-D answers.
Guys before you go all crazy bashing and making slick comments.
ITS A F*****G POLL!!!! Im still testing to see if it truly is profitable. I used the word holygrail in the main topic because it attracts conversation. Then i also wanted to know what someone else would do if they THOUGHT they had something profitable.
Ive shared where my ideas came from. VDW, NLE threads. I am still testing and putting things together, just i like the way things are going and wanted to have an interesting conversation.
Can someone tell me how many holy grails we have so far?
KTF might be a HG for someone
I can't judge what someone else's see as a HG
I've seen the sheets
I know how KTF works
Played properly it cannot lose
Just not playable with a live dealer
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 30, 08:48 AM 2017
KTF might be a HG for someone
I can't judge what someone else's see as a HG
I've seen the sheets
I know how KTF works
Played properly it cannot lose
Just not playable with a live dealer
unless you play online :thumbsup:
Thats sort of the problem i am having. Its hard to play live because things need to be calculated. I have some ideas for that, might have to go secret agent and get a camera with a microphone lol. Have one person playing while another crunches the numbers lmao
RG what you voted for?
Money, no one is going crazy, just giving our thoughts on the matter.
AP/VDW is interesting.....no doubt about that! Once you start looking at non-random concepts, like Nick said, you probably won't go back to looking at random ways because you will realise it's futile and who wants to waste more time chasing their tail. AP/VDW can help reduce the variance or that run from hell that random produces for sure.
I will always be thankful to Pryanka for sharing the concept and to others as well for keeping on about it enough to make me give it some serious thought. They did all that for free without asking for anything in return. That was very kind of them. So I personally think it's a bit off for others to then go and start charging for basically the same info. I know for a 100% fact that there are some great ideas floating around to do with all this. I said to a friend the other day that it would be great if there was a kind of AP/VDW forum where people could join together and share ideas and brainstorm. At the end of the day, this is Steve's forum and he has is own niche. I don't think this is the place for it.
Anyway, I hope what you have really does work and you get what you want from it.
cheers
You can drink water from a fountain or tap - well free. You can go to a shop and buy it - hmm, they will charge you. There are takers for both, as long as a choice is available.
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 30, 09:24 AM 2017
Money, no one is going crazy, just giving our thoughts on the matter.
AP/VDW is interesting.....no doubt about that! Once you start looking at non-random concepts, like Nick said, you probably won't go back to looking at random ways because you will realise it's futile and who wants to waste more time chasing their tail. AP/VDW can help reduce the variance or that run from hell that random produces for sure.
I will always be thankful to Pryanka for sharing the concept and to others as well for keeping on about it enough to make me give it some serious thought. They did all that for free without asking for anything in return. That was very kind of them. So I personally think it's a bit off for others to then go and start charging for basically the same info. I know for a 100% fact that there are some great ideas floating around to do with all this. I said to a friend the other day that it would be great if there was a kind of AP/VDW forum where people could join together and share ideas and brainstorm. At the end of the day, this is Steve's forum and he has is own niche. I don't think this is the place for it.
Anyway, I hope what you have really does work and you get what you want from it.
cheers
Thank you Wiggy, thats conversation there. No attacking this time, I appreciate it.
Yes AP/VDW was shared free but keep in mind there is missing information. Pri didnt share everything.
Why do you think that is ?
Now the way i see it is i can still keep everything to myself the same way Pri did it. but i can make it useable to anyone i would like and charge for the service.
This is me speaking based on the open POLL/Topic.....
Pri kept hidden info and stopped sharing and now no one truly knows how to really use the info how she does.
I think making a service where you share and let ppl win wit the info without sharing the secret is better then not having anything at all.
What do you think better to have something and pay to use it? or not have anything at all and be able to do nothing with it?
option one will cost you but make you money and option 2 gets you no whereI appreciate everyone posting and sharing their opinions. Thank you guys O0 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 30, 09:39 AM 2017
You can drink water from a fountain or tap - well free. You can go to a shop and buy it - hmm, they will charge you. There are takers for both, as long as a choice is available.
Im glad you came in here!.... what you shared changed the way many of us look at the game and i thank you.
At the same time it was the tip of the iceberg... so where did it really leave many of us? You took most of it back and said the information doesnt work and doesnt help. :-[
Can you guys please Vote?? I really want some input from everyone. Want to hear from different minds
Lets talk...
The question is what MM wants to use, with all due respect to Nick his Vdw strategy had probably drawdawn about 170 units in one moment before back to zero, Nle dont have real edge. Only superior MM can, with these strategies make something profitable.
Bringing money straight away is a joke.
If you have a profitable strategy and if is playable, I can share the profit to the end of my life with 30% of winnings.
But do not pay for something that is not checked.
Such offerings I directed to anyone who has such strategies, but we know how many of the strategies works in the long run.
B
In all honesty, I would chose B.
Because of two reasons:
1 - The info here directly or inderectly makes the pathway to achieve a profitable method (if you ever achieve one) shorter. So it's just returning to the community that helped you get there.
2 - A profitable method may have room for improvement in ways others can see that you won't. But no one wil be able to improve what they don't know of.
Keep it for your self because not working :lol:
If you answer D then a forum in general is not a good place for you.
I voted for B also.
Otherwise, why have a forum or participate in a forum (unless you are genuinely selfish)?
Quote from: ozon on Mar 30, 11:11 AM 2017
Nle dont have real edge. Only superior MM can, with these strategies make something profitable.
Bringing money straight away is a joke.
If you have a profitable strategy and if is playable, I can share the profit to the end of my life with 30% of winnings.
The reason why NLE and VDW are very good like i said before is because it keeps the game a little bit in control. Yea you get a drawdown but mm is key.
vladir, DoctorSudoku i respect that nd i get what you mean
RouletteGhost i agree D is the most selfish thing in my honest opinion.
MumboJumbo thanks for your humor.... i do recall reading about you having the holygrail and not sharing it. what makes you better :xd: :xd:
QuoteJust speaking my mind and i made a poll to make it fun
so did i...
oh and question...if player invest money say on your web site and pay and play and lose with your system does one get refund..
I don't see a problem with somebody being selfish but the fact of the matter is an Internet form is no place for someone who wants to conceal information
Imagine an inventors forum where people like Tesla and Edison can report on their findings...NOT.
What you'll find instead are all the light bulb tests that did not work.
And teasers. Testers and teasers.
On the other hand, failed tests may help. Problem is you can never take the word of someone who says a test failed...from someone who would not share any positive findings anyway.
Can't say as i blame anybody. After all, you don't want ISIS operatives to fund their terrorist ops from some idea laid out here in plain daylight.
On the other hand, you'd think people who get 90% of their ideas from here would pay it forward, or backward, if they come up with an additional 2% that puts an idea over the edge.
Always funny to see such outspoken participants...until they actually come up with something. Then it's all private message, if at all.
True enough, those who don't put some skin in the game can't motivate group sourcing for more ideas that could put something over the edge.
It's just an opinion that if a load is placed on the group for intellectual resources, there should be some pay back.
This assumes, of course, that it's at all possible to influence the game with just numbers, formulas, calculations, and/or money management.
In marketing, there's this idea of giving away something of value, but of lesser value, to motivate an up-sell.
You'd think if people had a significant edge, they could come up with a few rules of play that would enable people to 'earn as they learn' , if indeed the plan is to never disclose how pieces of a puzzle fit together.
Nothing wrong with selling a service either, for a percentage/fee...if something actually works.
One contributor here has shown how you can give away an original system, but sell it too, with a few extra bells and whistles.
It appears there are some decent grinds to be had here.
But to rise above the grind, and fly, it appears it would be easier to sit and stare at a candle for two years, until you can see through a deck of cards...than to sift through all the shifty signals people put out...trying to get group resources, without actually disclosing anything.
By the way, i don't have anything original that has an edge, if anyone is wondering.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 30, 06:06 PM 2017
if player invest money say on your web site and pay and play and lose with your system does one get refund..
Like i said i made the poll cause the idea came into my head a way to make a win win... i haven't thought of how the site would be yet, for now its just an idea
but i did think of this question. There will be rules and when you punch in a number the system will keep track of everything. So it will know if you lost or won a session. So depending on my further testing and confidence in not losing. I believe i can have a refund in place or some type of compensation.
Still thanks for your input, i always enjoy reading your post O0
I do feel that creating something in which many can benefit is still paying it forward. Its much better then keeping it all to myself. Sharing all information wont work because value will be lost
how will value be lost? lets say its a winning method.
everyone will have it....lost of value
casino will change the way the game is played.... lost of value
if the site is done in private on an invite only basis.... has value
charging for a membership.... has value because many ppl will not want to pay to be part of it
everyone part of it gets to use the info and make money( whole point is to help each other, giving all the info isnt always helping)... might not disclose how but if you make money, do you really care?
Guys believe it or not i am sharing my ideas... I will tell you where they came from!...Here is more information.
I created a money management idea its in this forum i posted it about a year or more ago.
Ex. LLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLWLW win/loss registry. i can beat it and be in the profit by the last W*( not saying it happens just giving you an extreme example
First method is vdw mixed with nle!!!! Then my own money management that i came up with. Example above
Second method is dozen and columns! NLE style mixed with one of RouletteGhost and johnlegend ideas and pigeonhole theory. ***betting one dozen or column at a time, paying 2:1 and most losses in a row under 7!***...Then my custom money management.
Third method is a zero betting system
All played at the same time. Each one has a separate bankroll but at the same time all the bankrolls are connected!!!!! *Wrap your head around that*
Quote from: Still on Mar 30, 06:17 PM 2017
And teasers.
By the way, i don't have anything original that has an edge, if anyone is wondering.
Still,
Yes, actually I am wondering ...... didn't Moglizu give you a guaranteed holy grail method on a platter over at betselection.cc just a few weeks back?
You should give credit where credit is due. :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 30, 07:48 PM 2017
Still,
Yes, actually I am wondering ...... didn't Moglizu give you a guaranteed holy grail method on a platter over at betselection.cc just a few weeks back?
You should give credit where credit is due. :twisted: :twisted:
Those were the good old days. I don't blame the devil for wanting to keep all the fire and brimstone for himself. But it must have been embarrassing to feel the cold and have to come in from the cold and ask some angels to test/track the global cooling by pretending to be a schoolmaster out of some Pink Floyd lyrics. How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat? If hell froze over, I don't think the devil would admit it, report it, or mention anything about it. I certainly didn't gain anything from it, except for dusting off some Excel skills, but never completed any significant test of anything.
I did learn there's a hot underground private message economy that circulates among the worthy. I don't cater to that economy except to try and tell some good jokes in the hopes someone will drop a bone in the mail with a .005% advantage over European wheels with the en prison rule.
Quote from: Still on Mar 30, 09:28 PM 2017
I did learn there's a hot underground private message economy that circulates among the worthy. I don't cater to that economy except to try and tell some good jokes in the hopes someone will drop a bone in the mail with a .005% advantage over European wheels with the en prison rule.
while theres a secret group only sharing ideas for those that are worthy lol... Im wrong for wanting to capitalize on something and make a profit for helping :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I bet the same ppl in that group are probably the ones voting to share with everyone
It looks like a complex method, I have hope it works , but if you already have it programmed, is it just in the works phase?
One more problem, but for me the most important, method is complex you need it to tracker, we must play online live dealer, but how progression reacts to the disconnection.
For me this is the most important problem.
Just now I have read from your old post that staking will probably be very delicate labby, not some kind of aggressive progression.
This is good in case of disconnections
Quote from: ozon on Mar 31, 04:23 PM 2017
It looks like a complex method, I have hope it works , but if you already have it programmed, is it just in the works phase?
One more problem, but for me the most important, method is complex you need it to tracker, we must play online live dealer, but how progression reacts to the disconnection.
For me this is the most important problem.
My idea is for it to be like an application/program. Tells you what to play, how much to stake. when you put in the last spin, the system will update.
Playing online would be easier cause you can go solo.
But originally my idea was a two team game.(Before i thought about making it available to everyone)....Someone on the computer plugging in the outcomes and telling you what to play and how much and someone playing live at the casino.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 31, 04:38 PM 2017
Just now I have read from your old post that staking will probably be very delicate labby, not some kind of aggressive progression.
This is good in case of disconnections
Yes the labby is a little different and it can handle losses because its spreads them. Keep in mind there are sort of 3 systems being played at the same time so losses are moved around a certain way. Capitalize on wins and losses are minimized. (its both aggressive and mild)