I am currently testing this two way system
stop loss = WinTarget = 500
Furthest Sectors + Reversed Version (Last Sectors)
i play with the original rulles
except for the progression i use Martingale (8-16-32-64-128)
Will reset the count of test sessions since they were 22 already and i was about 1100 chips ahead more or less.
So it starts here side by side the two versions of it
Session 1 = +524
we can start playing with casino money from now :wink:
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 06, 11:09 PM 2010
Session 1 = +524
we can start playing with casino money from now :wink:
I'm quitting work, cashing in my stocks and bonds and heading for Vegas! :LoL: :ooh:
Just kidding. ;)
Thanks for that Al. I got a good belly laugh out of it. :smile:
As Flat says, "Good on ya, mate".
I'll be keeping an eye and your tests.
Where do you get the time? :yawn:
G.
Please delete this if you don't want it cluttering up your test area.
Uh, Oh. After looking at your spreadsheet, all those 128 unit bets that turned out to be all winners is a little scary.
Maybe I''ll hang on to my job for the time being.
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 12:08 AM 2010
I'm quitting work, cashing in my stocks and bonds and heading for Vegas! :LoL: :ooh:
Where do you get the time? :yawn:
i use a spreadsheet from excel
check it out
Good job Alberto.
I'm just a little computer literate.
How hard would it be to enter formulas to determine what the furthest back or last 4 unique sectors are automatically?
Just thinking about it gives me a headache.
If the spreadsheet could be set up so all you have to do is enter the spun # and all the other cells were calculated automatically, wow, what a tool for testing that would be.
Maybe that's what Ophis is using for his testing.
Cheers,
George
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 01:16 AM 2010
Good job Alberto.
I'm just a little computer literate.
How hard would it be to enter formulas to determine what the furthest back or last 4 unique sectors are automatically?
Just thinking about it gives me a headache.
If the spreadsheet could be set up so all you have to do is enter the spun # and all the other cells were calculated automatically, wow, what a tool for testing that would be.
Maybe that's what Ophis is using for his testing.
Cheers,
George
I will try that when i have the time. It would be great.
Meanwhile
one more test, still with the casino money :wink:
+102 chips
total +626
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 01:16 AM 2010
Good job Alberto.
I'm just a little computer literate.
How hard would it be to enter formulas to determine what the furthest back or last 4 unique sectors are automatically?
Just thinking about it gives me a headache.
If the spreadsheet could be set up so all you have to do is enter the spun # and all the other cells were calculated automatically, wow, what a tool for testing that would be.
Maybe that's what Ophis is using for his testing.
Cheers,
George
That would be great if possible.As I have come lot of times on situations
like this;
last 4 furthest 4
1 3
5 4
6 7
9 8.........and what to do here when both playable??????
One can play both individually.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 07, 11:17 AM 2010
That would be great if possible.As I have come lot of times on situations
like this;
last 4 furthest 4
1 3
5 4
6 7
9 8.........and what to do here when both playable??????
One can play both individually.
i do that
that's what i am testing :P
one more wining session.
session 3 = +643 chips
running total = +1269
:'( :wink:
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 07, 11:31 AM 2010
i do that
that's what I am testing :P
one more wining session.
session 3 = +643 chips
running total = +1269
:'( :wink:
Hey Alberto,
Is there a progression we can use to make this lose.
I'm thinking that if you're winning with an outright 5 step martingale, can we increase our stop loss and maybe go to a 5 or 6 step Grand Martingale 1-3-7-15-31?
Just trying to look at this from as many angles as possible.
You never know when a new thought could open up a grand vista.
George
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 12:26 PM 2010
Hey Alberto,
Is there a progression we can use to make this lose.
I'm thinking that if you're winning with an outright 5 step martingale, can we increase our stop-loss and maybe go to a 5 or 6 step Grand Martingale 1-3-7-15-31?
Just trying to look at this from as many angles as possible.
You never know when a new thought could open up a grand vista.
George
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10---STEP 1-UP ON LOS.......1-DOWN ON WIN
BIT MORE AGRESIVE THEN ORIGINAL.
4th test = +124
total = 1393
F_LAT_INO i will start testing it with that progression from now on.
Thanks for advice :thumbsup:
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 07, 02:58 PM 2010
4th test = +124
total = 1393
F_LAT_INO I will start testing it with that progression from now on.
Thanks for advice :thumbsup:
You doing well Alberto as you do.
So we can see how long it will last.
Ijust showed to Twisty how he should play 10 step
little more agressive,thats all.
Continue as you started.Pls.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 07, 03:11 PM 2010
You doing well Alberto as you do.
So we can see how long it will last.
Ijust showed to Twisty how he should play 10 step
little more agressive,that's all.
Continue as you started.Pls.
tested it as you suggested
+50 chips
not bad i was +470 but my goal was 500, ended up loosing, but still ahead.
Cheers
:D
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 07, 03:46 PM 2010
tested it as you suggested
+50 chips
not bad I was +470 but my goal was 500, ended up losing, but still ahead.
Cheers
:D
Very impressive.Maybe you should aim on smaller target.
Thats how I do...70-120 chips daily.Never should we rape the game.
Only my observing of things.
Flat, that 10 step progression works sweet !
just did a session, was around 2ish hrs long
ended up +332 Units !
Was never really in a hole so to speak
Did mess up once on the staking, which cost me a few chips but apart from that all was good !
Think this would be easier to play in a B@M Casino as chip denominations would be easier as the online casino goes 1 2 5 and if ure on 8 you hit 2 four times or 5 2 1 etc per split....no enough time !
Sooooo I stayed on 5 chips for a few spins :thumbsup:
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 12:26 PM 2010
Hey Alberto,
Is there a progression we can use to make this lose.
I'm thinking that if you're winning with an outright 5 step martingale, can we increase our stop-loss and maybe go to a 5 or 6 step Grand Martingale 1-3-7-15-31?
Just trying to look at this from as many angles as possible.
You never know when a new thought could open up a grand vista.
George
that would be a 456 chips bankroll...
we should aim for 500 chips profit target with this model?
???
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 07, 04:56 PM 2010
that would be a 456 chips bankroll...
we should aim for 500 chips profit target with this model?
???
True enough Alberto, but I just ran your 1st test session on this thread and had you been betting the Grand Martingale for 5 steps, you would have won 302 vs 132 with the original method and 1128 vs 392 with the reverse method.
That's a higher win to stop loss ratio than a regular martingale. I'm not necessarily saying we should bet like this, I'm just saying if a regular martingale wins, a grand martingale will always win more.
I recall reading some postings by a member on another forum, gingermolloy. He started looking at roulette from a methematical perspective and came to the conclusion that the grand martingale is the best method of betting as far as win/loss vs risk is concerned. He came to this conclusion before he had ever heard of the grand martingale. I'm not a math guy, but I was impressed with that sequence of events.
That's not an exact quote, but it reflects the point he was trying to make.
Just musing, Alberto. I barely have the guts to test this way of betting much less actually being able to play it for real.
George
Two more sessions with straight martingale
session 5 = +38
session 6 = +508
total = +1942 (WWII)
:o
in 6 sessions wowowo its a lot
+- 300 average
the only thing is that is not possible at least for me to play the 2 versions at same time.
About the Gran Martin...
It is the next step of my testings.
i will start to play with 1000 bankroll
and stoploss 500 for each side of the system
wintarget 500 for each too
Lets see
:question:
It's easy on the paper....
Just for the kicks. Last session replayed with Grand Martingale
Dream session + 1000 on about 100 spins
this would average 10 chips a spin, does not come any better than this.
8)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 07, 11:17 AM 2010
That would be great if possible.As I have come lot of times on situations
like this;
last 4 furthest 4
1 3
5 4
6 7
9 8.........and what to do here when both playable??????
One can play both individually.
Guys,
I know this is crazy and you probably can't do the calculations and make the bets in time, but what if we could play both furthest and last 4 at the same time?
Like with Random VS Random. When one is losing the other would be winning and vice versa. Play each progression separately and anytime we are at +10, we restart both progressions.
Crazy. :'( :o :-\ :ooh: (I need more smilies.
G
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 09:11 PM 2010
Guys,
I know this is crazy and you probably can't do the calculations and make the bets in time, but what if we could play both furthest and last 4 at the same time?
Like with Random VS Random. When one is losing the other would be winning and vice versa. Play each progression separately and anytime we are at +10, we restart both progressions.
Crazy. :'( :o :-\ :ooh: (I need more smilies.
G
That would be wild
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 09:11 PM 2010
Guys,
I know this is crazy and you probably can't do the calculations and make the bets in time, but what if we could play both furthest and last 4 at the same time?
Like with Random VS Random. When one is losing the other would be winning and vice versa. Play each progression separately and anytime we are at +10, we restart both progressions.
Crazy. :'( :o :-\ :ooh: (I need more smilies.
G
That would be beyond my abilities to do !!! :xd:
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 09:11 PM 2010
Guys,
I know this is crazy and you probably can't do the calculations and make the bets in time, but what if we could play both furthest and last 4 at the same time?
Like with Random VS Random. When one is losing the other would be winning and vice versa. Play each progression separately and anytime we are at +10, we restart both progressions.
Crazy. :'( :o :-\ :ooh: (I need more smilies.
G
If you are sure that this will work and perform better than original idea i can do the software to deal with calculations.
But please make some test on paper first.
After we will find optimal version of this system i am willing to share bot with system designer and most contributing members.
Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 09:11 PM 2010
Guys,
I know this is crazy and you probably can't do the calculations and make the bets in time, but what if we could play both furthest and last 4 at the same time?
Like with Random VS Random. When one is losing the other would be winning and vice versa. Play each progression separately and anytime we are at +10, we restart both progressions.
Crazy. :'( :o :-\ :ooh: (I need more smilies.
G
George mate,
Have spoted it long ago........but .........rarely do you come in such
furthest/last situations when both bets are fulfilling conditions to bet on both.
One side must win/unles it hits a middle/---winning 2 units on one side then-contnuing
on the other.
But I wouldnt practice this.If playing furthest continue,same with last.My 2 cents.
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 08:24 AM 2010
If you are sure that this will work and perform better than original idea I can do the software to deal with calculations.
But please make some test on paper first.
After we will find optimal version of this system I am willing to share bot with system designer and most contributing members.
Ive found optimal to be Furthest bet selection
Like the look of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 progression
Will do some more testing :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 08:24 AM 2010
If you are sure that this will work and perform better than original idea I can do the software to deal with calculations.
But please make some test on paper first.
After we will find optimal version of this system I am willing to share bot with system designer and most contributing members.
Good on ya Ophis.
Am on this for more then 2 years.
Doing a bot/for those that play on line would be great.
My suggestion.........SHOWING FURTHEST 4 ------AND LAST 4........BUT ONLY WHEN IT FULFILS CONDITIONS TO BET....EITHER SIDE.Thanks for contributing.
I have another idea. Maybe would be better to follow the trend?
I.E. play furthest 4sectors then If progression > than 5 SWITCH to closest 4 sectors (if they qualify) and now keep betting on closest 4 sectors util u get progression > 5 then switch to furthest back and so on...
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 08:35 AM 2010
I have another idea. Maybe would be better to follow the trend?
I.E. play furthest 4sectors then If progression > than 5 SWITCH to closest 4 sectors (if they qualify) and now keep betting on closest 4 sectors util you get progression > 5 then switch to furthest back and so on...
I like the sound of that :thumbsup:
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 08:34 AM 2010
Good on ya Ophis.
Am on this for more then 2 years.
Doing a bot/for those that play on line would be great.
My suggestion.........SHOWING FURTHEST 4 ------AND LAST 4........BUT ONLY WHEN IT FULFILS CONDITIONS TO BET....EITHER SIDE.Thanks for contributing.
Ok for now I can make program that will require manual input of numbers but will keep track of sectors and notify if 4furthest or 4closest qualify as trigger and slist numbers to bet.
It should be done today or tomorow as I have most implemented in bot already. Need to just come back from work first.
Sry for misspelings im on bloody pda.
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 08:43 AM 2010
Ok for now I can make program that will require manual input of numbers but will keep track of sectors and notify if 4furthest and 4closest qualify toas trigger and slist numbers to bet.
It should be done today or tomorow as I have most implemented in bot already. Need to just come back from work first.
Manual Input of numbers is no problem
Notification of when a 4furthest or 4latest qualify would be excellent, I know George would love that ! (wait till he wakes up and reads this !)
How are you able to have this close to completion already ? Have you been working on it in anticipation ?
thanks for your contribution, it sounds like the glue to hold all the pieces together !!!
Haha actualy this system is v easy to implement. Doing AI for GUT was nightmare (still not fully completed)
Im following this thread since it had 11 page. Time spend coding abot 5 hours.
Didint test it yet on dublin sine from last 2 days i got DC every 30-50 spins and my girl had a bday so didint have to much time.
Once again Ophis,thanks,
When we get that,then we can start testing
/what I'm having for long in my mind/on the
zig/zag basis....meaning;
If we are starting betting on furthest/lose/
now wait for next bet condition--regardles
where the bet is....again in furthest or last.
Hope you follow me all.Am convinced that
will be infalible formula.Hve tried this already on DUBLIN,
but its almost impossible to follow and place bets in time.
Looking forward for money machine completed.
After everything will be sorted out we can create soft for android based phones to play in real casino :)
Btw: official recomended proggresion is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10?
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 09:39 AM 2010
Once again Ophis,thanks,
When we get that,then we can start testing
/what I'm having for long in my mind/on the
zig/zag basis....meaning;
If we are starting betting on furthest/lose/
now wait for next bet condition--regardles
where the bet is....again in furthest or last.
Hope you follow me all.Am convinced that
will be infalible formula.Hve tried this already on DUBLIN,
but its almost impossible to follow and place bets in time.
Looking forward for money machine completed.
And what if trigger apear on both furthest and closest sectors at the same time? Wait until only one of them is availible? Anyway we need some proper statistics of when we have most hits. On which step of the proggresion. This may be used to determine when to swich to other sectors (if we want to test "follow with trend" mod i have mentioned before.
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 09:49 AM 2010
After everything will be sorted out we can create soft for android based phones to play in real casino :)
by the way: official recomended proggresion is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10?
Yep thats the one Flat suggests :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 09:58 AM 2010
And what if trigger apear on both furthest and closest sectors at the same time? Wait until only one of them is availible? Anyway we need some proper statistics of when we have most hits. On which step of the proggresion. This may be used to determine when to swich to other sectors (if we want to test "follow with trend" mod I have mentioned before.
As have stated presently/7 days/testing on DB/by rules/ and playing for cash
last 4/trends/on air ball...regardless of rules...always betting last 4.
There will be only few/in 100 spins/triggers for both sides/and these can very rarely
happen in the row/only if middle repeats/and next spin they wanish....rotation in
circles.
The main thing is to determine trigger on either side,and if both are triggers,no bet.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 10:08 AM 2010
Yep that's the one Flat suggests :thumbsup:
Twisty mate,
It ain't neccessarily so/song LOL/
Samoene might come with better idea.
Lets hear.
Hello guys.
I've been without pc, so unfortunatly I wasn't able to follow the forum on the last 2 weeks.
I was pretty amazed when I read this thread, so congratulations you all for the great results =)
Can you guys please indicate me how are you playing? I would like to help at testing
I got pretty confused reading 2 hundreds of topics today xD
Best regards,
Afonso
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/)
Thank you very much for your software Ophis.
I'm very "blind" one this system, so if you could explain me some stuff I would be very thankful !
So basicly we just input the numbers on your track, and wait for a bet on the "recent" or "furthest" or on both
Simple as that.
And we use this progression
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Am I right?
Best regards,
Afonso
Quote from: A3on on Nov 08, 01:16 PM 2010
Thank you very much for your software Ophis.
I'm very "blind" one this system, so if you could explain me some stuff I would be very thankful !
So basicly we just input the numbers on your track, and wait for a bet on the "recent" or "furthest" or on both
Simple as that.
And we use this progression
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Am I right?
Best regards,
Afonso
Yes.
1. Original version stated to play on Furthest sectors. (you can ignore Recent)
2. Version for AirBall stated to play on Recent sectors. (you can ignore Furthest)
3. F_LAT_INO recently wanted to test ZigZag Mod to play Furthest/Recent/Furthest/Recent etc. and NOT betting when Furthest AND Recent are available at the same time. You can read this few post before i think.
Recomended progression for now is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. (-1 on win / back to 1st step when profit +10) but this may change if we will find something more efective
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 01:31 PM 2010
Yes.
1. Original version stated to play on Furthest sectors. (you can ignore Recent)
2. Version for AirBall stated to play on Recent sectors. (you can ignore Furthest)
3. F_LAT_INO recently wanted to test ZigZag Mod to play Furthest/Recent/Furthest/Recent etc. and NOT betting when Furthest AND Recent are available at the same time. You can read this few post before I think.
Recomended progression for now is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. (-1 on win / back to 1st step when profit +10) but this may change if we will find something more efective
Thank you very much for this !
Much appreciated :thumbsup:
George will flip when he looks and finds this :xd:
Ok just done 77 spin test and got myself out of a massive hole !
I started with 1000 Units using 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Got to within 80 of my stoploss (500) and then turned it around to end up even !
Yes ended back at 1000 Units !
Soooo thats the worst ive ever experienced and it recovered nicely. On another day I would of started 40 spins later and ended up +500 :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 01:45 PM 2010
Ok just done 77 spin test and got myself out of a massive hole !
I started with 1000 Units using 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Got to within 80 of my stoploss (500) and then turned it around to end up even !
Yes ended back at 1000 Units !
Soooo that's the worst I've ever experienced and it recovered nicely. On another day I would of started 40 spins later and ended up +500 :D
Had you tried to switch from furthest to recent at 5step in progression?
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 01:49 PM 2010
Had you tried to switch from furthest to recent at 5step in progression?
I did ponder it mid flight but didnt feel confident to track it
I was waiting for ure software :D
Does it switch btwn the two ?
it does show both furthest and recent whenever they qualify.
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 01:31 PM 2010
Yes.
1. Original version stated to play on Furthest sectors. (you can ignore Recent)
2. Version for AirBall stated to play on Recent sectors. (you can ignore Furthest)
3. F_LAT_INO recently wanted to test ZigZag Mod to play Furthest/Recent/Furthest/Recent etc. and NOT betting when Furthest AND Recent are available at the same time. You can read this few post before I think.
Recomended progression for now is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. (-1 on win / back to 1st step when profit +10) but this may change if we will find something more efective
As I play at live roulette only, the right way to play will be:
Play on furthest sectors (even if are the two available)
Play on furthest sectors only when recent sectors are not available (not betting whn the 2 are available)
Play furthest and recent (only one of then when it's only one available and the 2 when are the 2 availale)
Witch one?
Best regards,
Afonso
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 01:54 PM 2010
It does show both furthest and recent whenever they qualify.
Excellent !
Wish I cud see George's face when he reads all this :D
He will be testin while we are sleepin :xd:
Quote from: A3on on Nov 08, 01:55 PM 2010
As I play at live roulette only, the right way to play will be:
Play on furthest sectors (even if are the two available)
Play on furthest sectors only when recent sectors are not available (not betting whn the 2 are available)
Play furthest and recent (only one of then when it's only one available and the 2 when are the 2 availale)
Witch one?
Best regards,
Afonso
Play on furthest sectors ONLY (even if are the two available)
that's the original rules.
Thank you Ophis
I will post here my tets results as soon as I've some free time =)
Afonso
Went to the wolverhampton racecourse today and after finishing there, I decided to visit the city's casino and give this a quick workout.
I used the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 progression and only played the furthest back.
First of all, I would suggest not playing this in a land based casino before you are very comfortable with it. Some dealers like to spin quick and it can be hard to work everything out and then get it all down on time. Playing online is easier because you can just press repeat and add or subtract one depending on what stage you are at.
Anyway, I reached stage 6 once in the progression and stage 8 in another. At one point I was about 300 units down. Luckily I ended up breaking even and quit at that point. It was a bit of a rollercoaster and not what I am really used to when playing roulette. So on that score, it was a bit of an eyeopener :o
I decided not to test it any further because the dealer was just spinning too quick. Maybe an extra hour or so would have resulted in some profit. Just sharing my experience of it in the trenches. :thumbsup:
Nice report there Captain Darling.
Keep up the good work, and well done on the Gee- Gees. :P
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 08, 03:20 PM 2010
Went to the wolverhampton racecourse today and after finishing there, I decided to visit the city's casino and give this a quick workout.
I used the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 progression and only played the furthest back.
First of all, I would suggest not playing this in a land-based casino before you are very comfortable with it. Some dealers like to spin quick and it can be hard to work everything out and then get it all down on time. Playing online is easier because you can just press repeat and add or subtract one depending on what stage you are at.
Anyway, I reached stage 6 once in the progression and stage 8 in another. At one point I was about 300 units down. Luckily I ended up breaking even and quit at that point. It was a bit of a rollercoaster and not what I am really used to when playing roulette. So on that score, it was a bit of an eyeopener :o
I decided not to test it any further because the dealer was just spinning too quick. Maybe an extra hour or so would have resulted in some profit. Just sharing my experience of it in the trenches. :thumbsup:
Its good to hear that perspective luke
I posted the other day that I thought I would find it easier in a B&M Casino due to chip denominations
For example when your on 8 you have to do 2 2 2 2 or 5 2 1 as that's the chip levels......doing that 8 times takes too much time !
I am now using the software provided by ophis, speeds up things muchly ;D
As I have said to Twisty,once you get used to it its so
very easy and smooth,and when I play am only looking
in 9 numbers,whenever real number spuns.
And now HELP question;
HOW DO I SHIFT THIS TOOL TO THE DESC.
Am so helpless doing these things.
Step by step pl.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 04:40 PM 2010
As I have said to Twisty,once you get used to it its so
very easy and smooth,and when I play am only looking
in 9 numbers,whenever real number spuns.
And now HELP question;
HOW DO I SHIFT THIS TOOL TO THE DESC.
Am so helpless doing these things.
Step by step pl.
Just noticed this issue and fixed.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20480/#msg20480 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20480/#msg20480)
Just did a quick 100 spin test on rextreme.
I used the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 progression and only played furthest back. I did notice that the most recent were hitting almost on the first spin every time.
The starting balance was 500, on a win, as long as I was above 500, I just went back to the start of the progression again.
Here are the winning sequences in the progression and I will put up the bankroll chart as well.
1.
1.
1.
1.
1.
1,2,3.
1,2.
1.
1,2,3.
1.
1,2,3,4.
1,2,3,4.
1.
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Fair play to you Flat, it looks great either way. :thumbsup:
The software by ophis really helps as well. Nothing beats a relaxing game of roulette. :D
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 08, 06:39 PM 2010
Just did a quick 100 spin test on rextreme.
I used the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 progression and only played furthest back. I did notice that the most recent were hitting almost on the first spin every time.
The starting balance was 500, on a win, as long as I was above 500, I just went back to the start of the progression again.
Here are the winning sequences in the progression and I will put up the bankroll chart as well.
1.
1.
1.
1.
1.
1,2,3.
1,2.
1.
1,2,3.
1.
1,2,3,4.
1,2,3,4.
1.
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Fair play to you Flat, it looks great either way. :thumbsup:
this kind of sessions happen to me a lot...
that is why i take more risks.
use grand martingale as GLC sugested once...
my target is half my initial bankroll but in this example session it got me another entire bankroll
:-[
matter of taste/insanity/guts
:lol:
Embrace the Madness
:o
Awesome result my friend :)
I think I will test with that progression as well :)
Quote from: A3on on Nov 09, 08:36 PM 2010
Awesome result my friend :)
I think I will test with that progression as well :)
it will loose a lot...
can anyone test it for thousands of spins?
:-X
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 09, 08:32 PM 2010
Embrace the Madness
:o
Alberto,
I don't know what to think about that progression. :'(
It was just a wild thought based on the idea that if the bet selection is a winner, we should be able to win with any progression so why not use one of the most aggressive bet methods we can imagine. :o
I didn't actually think anyone would try it, but, if anyone would I knew it would be you. :lol:
Scary results my friend. :o :o :o
Just imagine if Ophis had been playing this progression when he did his original test and won 35 times to 3 losses.
Seems like you would have to have 4 or 5 banks of 456 units to feel safe in case you started off not so well.
I beg you not to play for real money with this progression until you've tested it "A LOT". :-\
Maybe start off playing for 0.10 units or something.
Just kidding (a little). I know you're too level headed to do anything rash. :thumbsup:
Keep testing along with A3on. This will have to pass the 3000 (or maybe 30,000) bet test well ahead of the game before I could imagine anyone trying it for real.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Nov 09, 09:20 PM 2010
Alberto,
I don't know what to think about that progression. :'(
It was just a wild thought based on the idea that if the bet selection is a winner, we should be able to win with any progression so why not use one of the most aggressive bet methods we can imagine. :o
I didn't actually think anyone would try it, but, if anyone would I knew it would be you. :LoL:
Scary results my friend. :o :o :o
Just imagine if Ophis had been playing this progression when he did his original test and won 35 times to 3 losses.
Seems like you would have to have 4 or 5 banks of 456 units to feel safe in case you started off not so well.
I beg you not to play for real money with this progression until you've tested it "A LOT". :-\
Maybe start off playing for 0.10 units or something.
Just kidding (a little). I know you're too level headed to do anything rash. :thumbsup:
Keep testing along with A3on. This will have to pass the 3000 (or maybe 30,000) bet test well ahead of the game before I could imagine anyone trying it for real.
GLC
too late!!
just did it...
and WON ;D :D :xd:
1368 1Ã,£ chips in tha BAG! YUUPPI.
.not real. Just kidding.. :-[
One thing I will say is when it's hitting good, it does add up quick. No long, drawn our sessions with this bet method. :)
You should post this under Esoito's "hit n run" topic. :thumbsup:
GLC
Just had an awesome session !
Played 100 spins lasted 1.5hrs
Starting Balance was 1000
Played using $5 chips
Closing Balance was 2,260
ALL bets were won by the 4th bet
ALL bets were Recent except when Furthest was the only option
100 Spins
19 Wins
12 Loss
LLR 2
LWR 4
Z-Score 2.03
In view of the buzz around this system, I thought I'd check it out. First session:
132 spins
+99 units
LLR 5
LWR 3
Played on BV no-zero roulette.
Thanks to Ophis for the software, and of course F_LAT for the system.
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 10, 05:43 AM 2010
In view of the buzz around this system, I thought I'd check it out. First session:
132 spins
+99 units
LLR 5
LWR 3
Played on BV no-zero roulette.
Thanks to Ophis for the software, and of course F_LAT for the system.
Nice to have you testing with us Bayes :thumbsup:
Did you play Furthest or Recent ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 06:29 AM 2010
Did you play Furthest or Recent ?
Furthest only. Also, sometimes I would return to the first bet in the progression after a win, even though I was higher than step 2 - playing it safe.
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 10, 09:21 AM 2010
Furthest only. Also, sometimes I would return to the first bet in the progression after a win, even though I was higher than step 2 - playing it safe.
Recomended "safe" progression.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
@Lose:
prg+1
@Win:
( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE -> IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2
Hi guys,
I made some tests with FLatino system.
I bet on the last 4 sectors. No bets on further.
I used the following rules :
The 9 sectors have to be shown before i start to bet (19 spins in my first test)
Then i wait for 4 different sectors. When it's ok, i play these 4 sectors.
Ex : 4 8 2 3 or 5 6 1 3.
(In my test, i started to bet at spin 24)
I used this progression : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
+ 1 after a loss
- 2 after a win
I restart at unit 1 when level or ahead of the highest of the session.
After 230 spins : + 142 units ;)
Highest drawdown : - 130 units after 163 spins.
Many thanks to Flatino and to everybody for the good work :)
Any constructive comments are welcome.
Cheers.
Jordan69
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 09, 08:58 PM 2010
it will lose a lot...
can anyone test it for thousands of spins?
:-X
I have tested furthest for more then 20000 spins
Dublinbet,and the final score was 7300 chips with 1000 starting BR.
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 10, 09:21 AM 2010
Furthest only. Also, sometimes I would return to the first bet in the progression after a win, even though I was higher than step 2 - playing it safe.
[/quote
Thats exactly how I played while testong furthest
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 02:37 PM 2010
I have tested furthest for more then 20000 spins
Dublinbet,and the final score was 7300 chips with 1000 starting BR.
Dear F_LAT_INo
This was ment to the Embrace the Madness variation that i tried.
Not for the regular version, wich is very steady...
Quote from: jordan69 on Nov 10, 01:18 PM 2010
Hi guys,
I made some tests with F_LAT_INO system.
I bet on the last 4 sectors. No bets on further.
I used the following rules :
The 9 sectors have to be shown before I start to bet (19 spins in my first test)
Then I wait for 4 different sectors. When it's ok, I play these 4 sectors.
Ex : 4 8 2 3 or 5 6 1 3.
(In my test, I started to bet at spin 24)
I used this progression : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
+ 1 after a loss
- 2 after a win
I restart at unit 1 when level or ahead of the highest of the session.
After 230 spins : + 142 units ;)
Highest drawdown : - 130 units after 163 spins.
Many thanks to F_LAT_INO and to everybody for the good work :)
Any constructive comments are welcome.
Cheers.
Jordan69
Jordan mate,
5,6,1,3 ---ARE NOT PLAYABLE
3 of the 4 sectors must be in 3 different dozens.
Rules are; To be playable 4 sectors must touch each column and dozen.Capito
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 02:39 PM 2010
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 10, 09:21 AM 2010
Furthest only. Also, sometimes I would return to the first bet in the progression after a win, even though I was higher than step 2 - playing it safe.
[/quote
that's exactly how I played while testing furthest
Jordan mate,
5,6,1,3 ---ARE NOT PLAYABLE
3 of the 4 sectors must be in 3 different dozens.
Rules are; To be playable 4 sectors must touch each column and dozen.Capito
Capito ;D
These rules were for further.
I just bet it differently for latest.
Just my choice.
But if you think it's better to stick to this rule for the last 4,
ok :) i will try it.
But do you think it's really important ? thanks for ur reply.
Ok another 103 spin test results in !
Played Recent every time except when Furthest was only option
Spins 103
Wins 14
Loss 9
(took ages to get bets tonight ! and then only 23 out of 103 spins !)
LLR 3
LWR 5
Z-Score 1.71
+136 Units
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 04:00 PM 2010
Ok another 103 spin test results in !
Played Recent every time except when Furthest was only option
Spins 103
Wins 14
Loss 9
(took ages to get bets tonight ! and then only 23 out of 103 spins !)
LLR 3
LWR 5
Z-Score 1.71
+136 Units
what means llr and lwr twister? :-\
Longest Losing Run (llr)
and
Longest Winning Run (lwr)
he posted it early .
:thumbsup:
Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 04:23 PM 2010
Longest Losing Run (llr)
and
Longest Winning Run (lwr)
he posted it early .
:thumbsup:
thx
too tired
:P
Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 09:49 AM 2010
After everything will be sorted out we can create soft for android based phones to play in real casino :)
by the way: official recomended proggresion is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10?
they will smash our phones and kick us out! ;D :wink:
Quote from: jordan69 on Nov 10, 03:57 PM 2010
Jordan mate,
5,6,1,3 ---ARE NOT PLAYABLE
3 of the 4 sectors must be in 3 different dozens.
Rules are; To be playable 4 sectors must touch each column and dozen.Capito
Capito ;D
These rules were for further.
I just bet it differently for latest.
Just my choice.
But if you think it's better to stick to this rule for the last 4,
ok :) I will try it.
But do you think it's really important ? thanks for your reply.
MOST IMPORTANT
This is your chance to start believe.
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 10, 04:11 PM 2010
what means llr and lwr twister? :-\
And z score????
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 10, 04:11 PM 2010
what means llr and lwr twister? :-\
And z score????
MOST IMPORTANT
This is your chance to start believe
Ok, i'll check it on my first tests (to see how it changes final result).
And stick to it for the next tries.
Quote from: jordan69 on Nov 10, 05:15 PM 2010
MOST IMPORTANT
This is your chance to start believe
Ok, i'll check it on my first tests (to see how it changes final result).
And stick to it for the next tries.
Its should be tested by the rules,so we have
final result at the end.
Then you can start visiting casinos wit bags in your hands...LOL
I have put it through a few tests over the last few days, both furthest and most recent.
On the furthest, I set myself a profit target of 200 units. Yesterday, I got to a profit of 198 and then it collapsed going to stage 10 in the progression.
Today it did manage to just get over the 200+ profit barrier and then it collapsed going to stage 10 in the progression.
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Here is the way I see it. This system is not that much different to the Street Method I posted over on VLS and put up here. In that one, you wait for 5 streets to be absent for so many spins and then use a progression. The reality is that these types of systems are not really that much different from a martingale. Probably the difference is that you will not get wiped out as quick because of the waiting time involved to qualify a bet. This gives you the illusion that it is a winning bet. My hunch is that both methods will prove to be long term losers. Like the martingale, it will appear impressive because of the buildup of wins. But the sharp losses like you can see in the graph will wipe away all the profits.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 05:34 PM 2010
Its should be tested by the rules,so we have
final result at the end.
Then you can start visiting casinos wit bags in your hands...LoL
lol ! yes you're right mate !
but you know, i just look at it...
and it changes all my results... ???
(remember, i play the lastest, not furthest)
for example, my first 108 spins : only 17 bets instead of 49...
and a lot of winning bets have been cancelled :(
i'm not in + anymore.
maybe i'm doing wrong but i don't think so.
???
I find furthest gives best results with the occasional recent played
or even play both for a reduced but earlier profit.
Tracker v0.2
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926)
:thumbsup:
Flukie Luke,
Thanks for your tests. I guess that what you're afraid of is that the 20,000 + spins FLATINO tested this on don't count because of your 450 spins.
It is entirely possible that you are correct and doomsday is coming.
On the other hand, you may have just had a bad run which resulted in a loss which always makes one feel like crap and get a little depressed.
Kind of makes you wish someone would post another system with excellent potential so you could go over there and start testing it. That usually cheers me up for a while.
I think you had a bad streak. I have to give Flatino's 3 years of wins more weight than your 6 or 7 hours of tests.
I know you are just trying to be as honest with everyone as you can and we appreciate that. I think we are all testing with a little anxiousness that this could, after everything, turn out to be another loser long term.
The more we test it under different circumstances and casinos, the better data we will gather and some will start playing for real money and others will start moving to other systems. All for their own reasons.
If we proved to 99.99% certainty that this was a winning system, only a handful of members would go on to play it for real and generate money with it on a consistent basis.
Hey, maybe your wrong about this system and your street system, and they're both winners.
We all have a lot of respect for your knowledge about roulette and level headed approach to the game, so don't think the red flag you sent us is going unnoticed.
We're hoping that this system is not like the Titanic and you have just notified us that we have had a major encounter with an iceberg.
Hopefully, we will all be cautious if we decided to play for real money.
In the mean time, sounds like FLAT's taking the casino with his airball machine in it to the cleaners.
Regards,
George
George, I appreciate your comments. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be wrong and made to eat humble pie. Let's hope FLAT's method turns out to be a winner, but I am afraid that may not be the case.
Allow me to show you something.
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Here is a random day I picked from the Spielbank Wiesbaden casino.
Let's assume we use a 10 step progression. 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512.
We are betting on red every spin.
We have wins on the following spins.
9,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,3,2,2,1,1,4,5,1,2,2,1,1,1.
2,1,3,5,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,4,1,1,2,4,1,1,1,1,3,2,2,1.
3,1,3,1,1,1,2,3,1,3,1,1,2,4,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,3,1,4,1,8.
2,1,4,1,3,3,2,2,1,1,1,2,2,1,1,2,3,3,5,3,4,3,1,3,1,1,1,4,1,4.
1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,2,1,1,1,3,4,1,4,1,1,2,4,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,1,1,1,1.
5,1,1,6,3,4,2,2,2,1,6,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,3,1,1,3,5,2,1,1,3,1,1,1,2,1,1.
2,2,2,2,3,1,2,2,1,1,1.
There are 181 wins there, so you have walked out with a gain of 181 units. The closest you have come to a bust is going to step 8 once and step 9 once.
With my street system and FLAT's system, you are witnessing the same winning sequences, it is when you hit the bust, that all the profits go out the window. I hit 2 busts in a row testing FLAT's system. In my street system, I have hit about 3 busts in 5 attempts. These bad spells are hiding in the wings. Like I said, with the street system and with FLAT's system, you are not betting every spin. (on my test tonight, I did not start betting before spin 50) so it will be an even longer drawn out process than playing a straight up martingale on every spin betting red. Unfortunately, the results will probably still turn out negative in the long term because of the nasty 2.7 or 5.4 percent house edge. We just can't overcome that without an edge of some kind. The maths are in stone. You have to defeat the randomness of the game, you can't change the maths.
Looking at the chart above, it would be easy for a beginner to think the martingale is a winning system. It is only the progression which gives this illusion because it is holding of the inevitable. If you have a bit of good fortune, it would be entirely possible to get ahead by playing this way. At the same time, they will be a few unlucky people who could lose a few bankrolls from the very beginning.
I tested FLAT's system because I was interested in his concept where all the dozens and columns needed to cross, it was something that I had not looked at before. It was a novel approach. I wish anybody luck who continues to test it and decides to play for real money.
I tested the both. In fact, i tested both systems in a row. I was testing F.Luke streets system just before this one.
I still believe Grand Martingale aproach is the only thing that can beat roulette. ::)
That's why casino's invented Table Limits. Otherwise there would be a lot more oportunities for we to come ahead and stop.
Firmly believe in the power of both system's bet selection.
The most common problem of every system lies within is own "system" mechanical, rigid, nature.
With some kind of human good sense, and a variety of approaches there will still be plenty of opportunities to quit while ahead.
Cheers,
Alberto Jonas
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 05:06 PM 2010
And z score????
Flat its a program Bayes put up
Here is the link with more details
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/stats-tracker-software/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/stats-tracker-software/)
I use Bayes and Ophis's Software each time I play, just to keep track :)
I wont post Z-score anymore as just remembered it was for Flat betting only :-\
Quote from: ophis on Nov 10, 05:55 PM 2010
Tracker v0.2
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926)
:thumbsup:
Awesome ophis !
Much appreciated :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 10, 07:53 PM 2010
George, I appreciate your comments. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be wrong and made to eat humble pie. Let's hope FLAT's method turns out to be a winner, but I am afraid that may not be the case.
Allow me to show you something.
Here is a random day I picked from the Spielbank Wiesbaden casino.
Just a note of interest here on Lukes Spin results at Wiesbaden
>>>>>>>>>>>
Look how even the spins were for the ..
Low/High
Even /Odd
Almost balanced out exactly!!
The red and Black are close also!!
Just an observation. :thumbsup:
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Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 06:47 PM 2010
I know you have changed the design a bit, but do you think the text in the betting section "furthest/recent" is a little too small now to see clearly??
Thanks for noticing this. It changed by accident :-\ Here is corrected version.
This will be final version unless someone will request some additional options
Maybe export to Excel CSV? But please provide me with specific requests.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20989/#msg20989 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20989/#msg20989)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 11, 03:41 AM 2010
Flat its a program Bayes put up
Here is the link with more details
link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/stats-tracker-software/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/stats-tracker-software/)
I use Bayes and Ophis's Software each time I play, just to keep track :)
I wont post Z-score anymore as just remembered it was for Flat betting only :-\
Twister, z-score is valid even if you're using a progression - as long as you don't mistake profits for advantage. What I mean by that is,
the z-score measures the effectiveness of the bet-selection, without taking into account any progression. So for example, you could be betting the ECs and have a sequence where you only win 5 bets out of 20; this would give you a low (negative) z-score but you still might end up with a profit (if you were using an 8 step marty).
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 11, 05:20 AM 2010
Twister, z-score is valid even if you're using a progression - as long as you don't mistake profits for advantage. What I mean by that is, the z-score measures the effectiveness of the bet-selection, without taking into account any progression. So for example, you could be betting the ECs and have a sequence where you only win 5 bets out of 20; this would give you a low (negative) z-score but you still might end up with a profit (if you were using an 8 step marty).
Ah ! Ok, thanx Bayes :thumbsup:
Appreciate the clarification :)
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 10, 07:53 PM 2010
George, I appreciate your comments. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be wrong and made to eat humble pie. Let's hope FLAT's method turns out to be a winner, but I am afraid that may not be the case.
FL,
I know that we have not eliminated the house advantage. I also know that some will lose with this system even if most happen to win just because of the luck factor.
I appreciate your observations and understand where you're coming from. I just feel like FLAT has used this system for over 3 years and have won with it consistently.
I know that there is a probability that even that was lucky since in the overall scheme of things even 3 years can represent a favorable sequence, howbeit a very long sequence.
Your warning does not go unnoticed.
I want to re-iterate that I have not had the time to play the recent method and so can only say that I still feel the safest method to play this is the original way, and maybe the 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5 is still the safest progression.
George
Recent is the hype!
i play it with new flatino airball rulles... no rulles on trigger after 1st miss on a good trigger.
even flat is getting wild... ;D
lol
play it with grand Martingale as usual
The real hype !
Resuts are impressive ::)
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 11, 06:11 PM 2010
Recent is the hype!
i play it with new F_LAT_INO airball rulles... no rulles on trigger after 1st miss on a good trigger.
even flat is getting wild... ;D
LoL
play it with grand Martingale as usual
Alberto,
That 6th step makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. :'( :o :'(
Whatever you do, don't tell the Mrs. that I recommended that. (Unless it wins, then I'll take some of the credit.)
George
Embrace the Madness...
The quest goes on
Lot of Green Goblin in there Our Kid??
I can help with that Little beast if U like!!
bet U wished U had put a little make-up on and
covered it zero with a little insurance money eh!!
:-X
Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 11, 07:40 PM 2010
Lot of Green Goblin in there Our Kid??
I can help with that Little beast if you like!!
bet you wished you had put a little make-up on and
covered it zero with a little insurance money eh!!
:-X
what is your advice chrisbis?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 08:30 AM 2010
I've found optimal to be Furthest bet selection
Like the look of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 progression
Will do some more testing :thumbsup:
still? :o
Test 3 & 4 & 5
after 5 sessions
session1=+547
Session2=+606
Session3=+558
Session4=-836
Session5=+586
Total=1461+
;D
if you look at last losing session4, there are the dreaded 8 different sectors (RED) in a row :wink:
OOH and you must say i avoided that zero. Yes i did. :P
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 11, 07:43 PM 2010
what is your advice chrisbis?
I will do a screen snap shot of my next play
and put it up for U Albertoj.
Will be tonight UK time. :thumbsup:
Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 11, 07:40 PM 2010
Lot of Green Goblin in there Our Kid??
I can help with that Little beast if you like!!
bet you wished you had put a little make-up on and
covered it zero with a little insurance money eh!!
:-X
Chris I dont understand this ???
Why the extra coverage on the Zero, as opposed to covering any of the other uncovered numbers ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 12, 03:06 AM 2010
Sorry, I didnt understand :-\
Think he means-" are U still testing
or
are U still using Furthest as Ur optimal play"??
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 12, 03:06 AM 2010
Chris I don't understand this ???
Why the extra coverage on the Zero, as opposed to covering any of the other uncovered numbers ?
No worries lol
I see George asked you the same question ;D
I may have a suggestion on how to avoid that Zero Goblin Tongue
1st (my preferred) when a zero appears take the loss if you are betting on the first three steps.
2nd Whenever you bet follow ChrisBis advice and cover that goblin... here I would accept a suggestion on the progression to follow for Zero.
New way to play it for real good bucks.
Completely new bet selection. Only bet when the last 4 sectors hit are different (this seems to be the real equivalent of furthest, since you never loose the trigger)
dirty little alteration....
play this grand martin till lose 500 BR, when you make first 500 profit, aim for more 500 then stop, if you are in your way up to the first or second 500 then lost a progression, try to break even and head your way to a new wheel.
total profit from 4 sessions = 2122 :-\
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 12, 03:06 AM 2010
Sorry, I didnt understand :-\
sorry TwisterRuck,
do you still prefer furthest?
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 12, 10:35 PM 2010
sorry TwisterRuck,
do you still prefer furthest?
As the testing has progressed ive come to prefer mixed ;D
nice to see that the evolution of both the tracker and the system itself evolved to what we've found here at this test thread.
despite all disbelief and against all odds grand martin mm and triggers selection became a very effective and profitable approach.
May we evolve on this and apply the all system sectors to new ones?
I mean i suggest we consider new sectors based on wheel instead of table..
What you think? :question: :love:
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 26, 09:57 PM 2010
Nice to see that the evolution of both the tracker and the system itself evolved to what we've found here at this test thread.
despite all disbelief and against all odds grand martin mm and triggers selection became a very effective and profitable approach.
May we evolve on this and apply the all system sectors to new ones?
I mean I suggest we consider new sectors based on wheel instead of table..
What you think? :question: :love:
Capo,
Whatever as long as it wins.
Is someone still playing this?
There is also the tracker made by ophis.
Still playing it. see here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/sign-up-to-twitter-castle-casino-live-and-get-pound5-free-chip!/msg32696/#msg32696) for some progress.
Cheers
(BTW the tracker By Ophis is excellent)
Try all the different mod setting, when playing ,
till U find one that works best at the current table U are playing on.
Yes chrisbis it is a hell of a system.
My question is:
Could we find a bot to play it ?
Having a look as we post!
Keep U posted.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 21, 04:13 PM 2011
Having a look as we post!
Keep U posted.
---Now I finally know why you are absent over 2 years from here,Crisy boy.
You are making a fortune with this method and forgot all friends.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 23, 11:17 AM 2013
---Now I finally know why you are absent over 2 years from here,Crisy boy.
You are making a fortune with this method and forgot all friends.
How do you think witch version of this bet is best? i read all theards about it and im lost:)
8
Hi,
where can I find the original rule for that method ?!?
Is there a tracker around ?
Ray
just a question for flat or anyone who uses this system, whats the most times youve not hit after a trigger?
I have had 12 times
Isn't it strange how some methods fade away here?
where is the thread with the strategy
Quote from: denzie on Apr 03, 05:39 PM 2015
Isn't it strange how some methods fade away here?
Systems are like people
Some people are Joe's on the street. Not so interesting and attract very little attention because you've seen them before.
Some people are Elvis and Neil Armstrong or Henry VIII and attract lots of attention.
They all die in the end.
someone please explain this
what are the sectors
whats the trigger
this is madness
AQny news about FLAT N O / Is he Ok?
Ghost
Here is the sheet. Just put in numbers and it will do the rest. If you need help, ask and I will.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Apr 03, 06:36 PM 2015
Ghost
Here is the sheet. Just put in numbers and it will do the rest. If you need help, ask and I will.
Sam
i just dont get it, he is making bets based on what sectors came? i dont know how to use excel bots, was never my thing
Maybe we should realy make a top 10 strategy list so that we have a good view on the systems
Here is the way it works: You must have 9 unique splits. 18 numbers. Splits that repeat are not counted. If the split 1-4 hits three times, that counts as one hit on the 1-4. When there are 9 different splits, those are the "last" or newest; the 9 that have not hit are the "furthest". If the new hits, you bet new; if the old hits, you bet old.
QuoteThey all die in the end.
Only the ones that do the same thing another way
Rewster got a good point here