Are you guys still here?
Go home!
There's no system, strategy or money management that can beat roulette long term.
You can't beat the game even using computers or VB.
Nowadays the wheels are very modern and the dealers use devices to accelerate and decelerate the wheel. It's impossible to know where the ball will hit.
Stop wasting your time, you money and your mental health.
Sorry
Did you just lose some money?
Another guy claims that Steve is a liar, loser, crazy idiot, and a mo** scam man.. Because that what you are saying, especially posting it on his forum, knowing that he sells working roulette computers and JAA (if you claim that you can't win, then it's a dirty scam, isn't it?).
I never trust losers, i don't even talk much with them, so if there is no way to win, you should call the police, and Steve should be jailed for all his lies. :)
Ps. 1k+ posts, another guy 2k+ posts, 5k+, and you didn't learn nothing...
Andre consider getting a team together. There are
enough people on here to help you create a plan of action.
(It would not hurt to ask around)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 01, 09:51 PM 2019There's no system, strategy or money management that can beat roulette long term.
Youre still inexperienced.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 01, 09:51 PM 2019You can't beat the game even using computers or VB.
Bullshit. My computers beat almost every wheel.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 01, 09:51 PM 2019Nowadays the wheels are very modern and the dealers use devices to accelerate and decelerate the wheel.
You mean RRS, which is still very rare. And even if its used, it will typically halve an edge. So it turns 50% edge into 25%. Again thats in the very unlikely case thats what you play, and its all you can play.
If anyone has a winning strategy prove it. Steve is paying 100,000 as a reward. If you own a winning strategy you should be in the casinos winning thousands or millions, not here in this forum waisting time.
There are a lot of bettors here on this forum thinking they have the HG playing repeaters, hot numbers, non hit, etc ... And Steve says that it's me who is the guy inexperienced ... lol
If Steve's computers really beat the roulette wheel he would not be wasting his precious time here either. He would now be on his yacht enjoying life with his family in Australia.
Steve could beat roulette wheel ten or twenty years ago when the wheels were not as sophisticated as they are today. Nowadays the wheels are built with an absurdly sophisticated technology. There is no longer any way to know in which sector of the wheel the ball will land.
If you disagree with me, prove by showing everyone here videos of your computers in action. I've never known anyone in this forum who uses computers to beat roulette.
All the best!
PS: I don't play roulette anymore. Just baccarat
I wonder what are you doing here then? You have the problem, you are a loser, with stupid thinking. I am sure Steve did make millions, and he don't have to work, and go to some shitty jobs like other people do. Just because this forum is full of retards using some betting crap that only lose your money, doesn't mean no one wins. People like them and you, can't understand that, why you even compare betting vs physical system? You are just a frustrated poor guy, with 1k + posts and shit in his head. Your problem is the mentality you just show, so please leave or change.
Andre, before i address your post, tell us. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette computers? None, right?
Under the right conditions, i THINK i have a edge.
I dont know for sure, but when the conditions are right my sectors hit.
And i use dealers signature.
Still need to find the right money managment...
Andre has been always a very sincere !
Guys be careful that gambling can lead to severe problems
Very few wheels are fitted with RRS, magnetic deceleration which slows down the rotor. They are mainly on automatic or online machines, not live dealer. I don't think they would be accepted by punters in B&M games and may well lead to a decrease in revenue. That remains to be seen though. They have been around for some time and take up seems minimal.
From the players I've known, both APs and system players, many players don't trust auto wheels, or any wheel capable of adjusting the game outcome. The lost trust means lost casino revenue.
That led to the development of RRS, so the wheels LOOK normal, but there is still manipulation. But a growing number of players are noticing, which is one reason RRS isnt widespread.
The first and best line of defense for casinos against APs is surveillance - to detect APs and deal with them as they are found. But that alone is very difficult, if the player/team is well-organized and doesn't get too greedy.
Andre, you didn't answer my question so I'll address your post anyway.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 02, 04:00 AM 2019If Steve's computers really beat the roulette wheel he would not be wasting his precious time here either.
I know billionaires and even presidents that waste time on Twitter. You're making rather big assumptions.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 02, 04:00 AM 2019He would now be on his yacht enjoying life with his family in Australia.
I don't really like boats, although I do like the water. Bora Bora is my favorite place. I've done and continue to do well. Places like Bora Bora are one of my passions.
I could show "traces of wealth" but how would you know the success had anything to do with roulette? You don't. In fact most of my income doesnt come from anything related to roulette. I tell people find out about what counts. Just like when people say "oh I heard your computers are a scam", my response is basically "see a demo on any wheel you want and find out instead of believing shit you read".
Probably hundreds of clowns over the years, with poor understanding of reality, have suggested I send them proof of wealth to prove my computers work. That's something a scammer would do, or an adolescent would ask for. The reality is even if I did that, it would prove nothing about what actually matters. The request is in part due to eggheaded claims from desperate people that I'm broke and living in a homeless area. I once did a $50k cash count video to make fun at the idiot who counted a fraction of this in a video to scam people, and then he said I couldnt do it. Then published the video. It would have been much more except you need to actually book with banks when you make a large cash withdrawal, and it all gets reported. It was time wasted on morons. It didn't add to my credibility in the eyes of anyone who focuses on what counts.
If success was a measure of the effectiveness of my roulette computers, I could make the proof pretty clear. But the fact is the people with money who are serious about my computers look past all the bullshit, and focus on what counts. They look past all hype, all the bullshit lies about me, past everything except for seeing the computers for themselves. These are the people with brains of their own, who I appreciate and have mutual respect.
Anyway if you could get an edge of at least 20% AND bet in time for at least half of the roulette wheels in the world, how long do you think it would take you to earn enough money to be comfortable?
How much would you need to earn before you think maybe it's enough now?
I'm not a billionaire, but millions, no problem. It shouldn't be a big deal. I could easily at any time push harder, but I have enough. From the perspective of inexperienced or less fortunate people, they think I must be making billions and making casinos broke -- OR my computers must not work. While I'm fortunate enough to be in this position, there are downsides. You get lazy. And choices you make means your bills aren't $50. They are like $50,000. And that's what keeps you going. To the point where I've had enough. I feel like I'm wasting my time, which is more valuable than money. And that's why I'm selling my company. It doesn't include the forum. 20 years of roulette is enough. I have other businesses I'm pursuing. I'll still be around though, like nothing here is going to change. I will always have a strong personal interest in roulette.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 02, 04:00 AM 2019Steve could beat roulette wheel ten or twenty years ago when the wheels were not as sophisticated as they are today.
Actually the designs are basically identical to what they were 20 years ago. There are some minor changes but nothing substantial.
You need to understand it is much, much harder to design a wheel that produces truly unpredictable spins, than it is to have slight prediction accuracy.Technology like RRS is capable of doing it (although it usually only halves edge), but as explained above it ends up costing casinos more. Like in Europe, roulette is more profitable for casinos than in the USA. One of the key reasons is the USA has faster rotors, in attempt to stop AP. Depending on the wheel and ball, it makes AP harder for approaches like VB and computers, but it makes roulette less appealing for the average player. It's something Steve Forte mentioned in his book too.
AP is like a double edge sword. You can predict the correct sector if everything is right. Or you can AVOID the winning sector if you make mistakes, which gives a strong negative edge. And countermeasures are a double edge sword too. There's a never-ending cat and mouse game between APs and casino game equipment manufacturers.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 02, 04:00 AM 2019If you disagree with me, prove by showing everyone here videos of your computers in action. I've never known anyone in this forum who uses computers to beat roulette.
Sure I could do that. I have lots of videos showing everything from start to finish. Literally the video running while players set up in a hotel room, then walking to the wheel, setting up the computer, the whole thing including bets and payouts. But I'm not showing it here to prove a point. Any serious player can easily see such videos in private, as part of the proof of my claims. But that alone shouldn't be considered "sold proof". How do you know i'm not just showing you the best videos? The reason I show these videos to players in private is not so they know my computers work - it's more so they see how all the parts fit together, and how it is all actually used. For example, how the auto-aiming cameras work.
But as far as proof is concerned (proof of "accuracy"), better proof is testing on any wheel you want, with spins I'm seeing for the first time ever.
You can have your beliefs about roulette being impossible to beat. It is really, really easy to prove otherwise. Even if you did something simple like assessed scatter, you'd know roulette is far from unbeatable.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 07:18 AM 2019I don't really like boats
I'm surprised. Isn't that a staircase of a yacht on your avatar?
It's an over-water villa in Bora Bora. To be technical I do like boats, but it's really the water I like.
Bora bora looks very nice but it’s too far for the majority of us herein Europe ... the Maldives is nearer !
They are much the same. Difference is asian vs french influence and the food. For some reason, the locals seem really relaxed.
Steve, how would I know if my local casino has RRS?
Time the rotor revolutions, chart the timings, find the deceleration rate and you'll see if its natural deceleration. So you need some timing software. Or you could record video and test at home.
Still you can notice it without tools if you see enough spins. It is unlikely youll ever play on such a wheel.
I can show how my computers do it if theres enough interest. It has an in built feature to see actual vs predicted rotor movement.
The RRS systems are a joke. Much like the self leveling wheels. They can also create bias. They're a gimmick.
The reason is that dealers wave off no more bets so late in most casinos that the subtle changes in the rotor speed are insignificant. When the changes are significant enough, then you can perceive the slowing and simply adjust for it the moment that you see it if you're betting late.
The self-leveling technology is a "good try". They would be good if wheels were physically perfect, but they're not. So they can be better for APs. See below:
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They often make wheels easier to beat. They sound high-tech and great for casinos because they automatically level wheels to reduce "dominant diamonds". This is supposed to make spins less predictable. But the reality is different.
Dominant diamonds are caused by ball track deformations as much as tilt. If a dominant diamond occurs due to ball track deformations, you could observe every spin and carefully adjust the wheel to even out the spread of diamond hits (like an auto leveling system). This attempts to compensate for ball track deformations, which actually puts the wheel on an artificial tilt rather than leveling it.
The effect is that when the ball falls in certain regions, the bounce is more predictable. This has virtually the same effect as a dominant diamond, except the casino is lured into believing their level wheel is less predictable.
The below images explain further for two drop-points, but the effect applies to all drop points. Basically level or not, if the ball track has imperfections (which they almost always do), the ball will fall in a slightly different way, and affect the predictability of the bounce (F = where the ball falls, and B = where the ball bounces/ Blue is one fall point, and yellow is the other). Notice how the scatter is tighter and more predictable for blue. See below:
(link:s://:.rouletteadvantageplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/assem-scatter.jpg)
Some of the differences in ball fall may be the part of the diamond hit, the speed at which the ball falls, and the trajectory of the ball when it hits the rotor.
Another effect of trying to correct a wheel with deformed ball track is, in particularly on slow rotors, you can estimate rotor orientation at the end of the spin and exploit bias. The attempted correction for ball fall points makes the rotor "unlevel". And if you know rotor orientation at a critical time in the spin, you've got a good chance of an edge because the ball will favor certain regions. This is because the ball will naturally more likely come to rest in the lower part of the rotor. See below:
(link:s://:.rouletteadvantageplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/tilt-bias.jpg)
You can clock rotor at beginning of spin. Then clock rotor at end of spin. If there is an appreciable change eg 3 secs per rev to 4 secs per rev you know it's got RRS. You don't need to bet while you test this. You can avoid playing it altogether if you want.
A wheel in good condition will slow negligably over the course of a 15 or 20 second spin. On my wheel, I can give a hard spin and it will still be rotating 30 mins later, albeit slowly. It shows how well wheels are made and balanced.
I think the Cammegh system has 3 levels of random deceleration. 65%, 75%, or 85%. But basically it's altering the course of the spin with an electro magnetic brake. Many players are very suspicious of juice joints or dealer manipulation. If they see this kind of wheel I know many people who would not play on it. The casinos would lose revenue I'm sure.
Wow, so Steve is a millionaire that like to sell roulette computers and wasting his time on this forum.
Just as Trump on Twitter...lol
What a joke!
Wake up guys!
Why is being a millionaire so difficult to comprehend? Is it because you aren't?
Why is it so hard to believe other people can beat roulette? Because you cant?
You know very little about my life. Most of my income has nothing to do with roulette. I could do even better with roulette, but why do I need to? It would mostly involve organizing more private teams, but that also means more work. I'm not desperate for money like most people are. I do very well from roulette, but I have said many times it's not the easiest way to make money (mainly because of casino surveillance). But I can easily beat almost every wheel in real casinos, from home, while sitting in my pajamas. I know it sounds outrageous, but you'd know this to be reality if you did better research.
Rather than focus on my life, focus on the technology. Nobody with experience in VB and AP would think my claims are outlandish. Your problem Andre is you really don't know.
Gambling Wisdom of the Week: If you are looking to cheat the house or beat it legitimately, forget about roulette. It's basically a sucker's game. â€" Mario Puzo
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 05, 10:23 PM 2019
Gambling Wisdom of the Week: If you are looking to cheat the house or beat it legitimately, forget about roulette. It's basically a sucker's game. â€" Mario Puzo
Andre, you have an issue, you are an ignorant loser, and that's what you say, because nothing else you have, just complaining.
Let's talk if you want, i am wondering what could change your mind? I think even a video is not much, i guess the best thing would be if you fly to the guy's house, and he would give you 50% from his wins, and say "Nothing happened, i will win it back ", then maybe you would change your mind, but something like this will not happened.
Like i said Andre:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 05, 10:12 PM 2019Your problem Andre is you really don't know.
You know so little, you'll quote someone with similarly no experience, who was just upset for losing $10,000. You really need to pull your head out.
Do you actually have something to support your claims roulette is unbeatable? NO. Just quotes from other people with no idea. Can I and other people prove you've got no idea? Yes, absolutely. Again who needs to wake up?
Quote from: Loc on Jun 05, 10:37 PM 2019
Andre, you have an issue, you are an ignorant loser, and that's what you say, because nothing else you have, just complaining.
Let's talk if you want, i am wondering what could change your mind? I think even a video is not much, i guess the best thing would be if you fly to the guy's house, and he would give you 50% from his wins, and say "Nothing happened, i will win it back ", then maybe you would change your mind, but something like this will not happened.
Stop writing bs, Andre is an experienced player, he has spent years, he is also member of this forum longer than you...he is delusional about roulette because it’s game with unfair odds and sometimes manipulated by casinos... the majority of people will lose ..may I ask you this question ? what you contributed yet ? Nothing...
Steve
I believe in physics but computers can’t win always ... they are very hard to hide ... their price is too much ... I understand you are a sales man and trying selling them so you must tell only good things but the reality isn’t like that ...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:21 AM 2019Andre is an experienced player
He most certainly is not. Experience with losing systems doesnt count.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:24 AM 2019computers can’t win always
No, not always. But almost every wheel is close enough.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:24 AM 2019they are very hard to hide
Huh? No they arent. Someone could be using them right next to you and you wouldnt have a clue. And some versions are just the phone - nothing else. Even if the player was strip searched, and the phone pulled apart, nothing would be found.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:24 AM 2019their price is too much
Price is justified. And besides serious teams who join my teams dont pay me anything up-front.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:24 AM 2019I understand you are a sales man
It's one thing I do. WHY I sell them is explained on my site. Basically there are too many casinos for my private teams, so I license some computers.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:24 AM 2019so you must tell only good things but the reality isn’t like that
I explain the good and the bad. I'm very honest and open about my technology. I often tell people not to rely on anything I or anyone says. Words are words. So I tell people rely on what they see in demos, and whatever tests they want to do. If that means sitting and watching live video of a real casino session, or aiming a webcam at any wheel they want, no problem.
Please do better research before speaking about this.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 01:21 AM 2019
Stop writing bs, Andre is an experienced player, he has spent years, he is also member of this forum longer than you...he is delusional about roulette because it’s game with unfair odds and sometimes manipulated by casinos... the majority of people will lose ..may I ask you this question ? what you contributed yet ? Nothing...
Andre is delusional poor loser, with stupid thinking, and no skill to use what he knows.
If you could know what i know, and what i am gonna do, you would never say that, but say wtf you want, it has nothing to do with reality.
I don't care how much time he is here, he is talking bullshit like you, both 2k posts, and the best you do is "Roulette is a devils game! It will ruin your life, mommy!". You are just unable to use what you got here, that's it.
Ps. You look at your buddy with "years of practice", ye.. Don't watch what foolishness is he saying, look at his "years" of practice, that's what stupid buddies do, instead of looking at logical things, not who said it.