I've gone through the last decade of forum posts and it is sad that most have been chasing shadows.
To solve any problem you must define your ontology correctly.
The problem we are trying to solve in roulette is to guess the next number accurately.
Roulette is a random game.
'Repeater' is a label given to a pattern within a session.
Patterns do not exist, they are descriptions.
For example, in physics speed does not exist, it is a description. It's formula is distance / time.
Unless you understand what is causing speed to increase or decrease you will be chasing shadows in your physics.
Now if we apply the same logic to roulette we have to find what causes repeaters and sleepers.
So what is the tree ( which exists ) that is causing the shadow (Repeaters and sleepers)?
The answer is Regression to the mean. RTM is an actual force of nature. We see it very clearly in random games like roulette.
Now we can being to solve the problem of roulette. How do we interact with RTM so that we can predict the outcomes more accurately?
I believe that forms of meditation can allow us to access the force and feel the force of RTM. Through synchronisation with this force we are able to make RTM more comprehensible.
RTM is not just a statistical idea, it is a force of nature similar to gravity. All of these forces are part of a deeper reality. These forces are the way that deeper reality manifests itself.
So stop chasing shadows look at what really exists.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 10:07 AM 2020Roulette is a random game.
'Repeater' is a label given to a pattern within a session.
Patterns do not exist, they are descriptions.
It is one thing to flog your psychic abilities. It is another to bury yourself in the part. Patterns do exist. Where do you get off proclaiming that they don't exist. It's comical. This is a pattern of attention whoring. That does not exist either.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 10:24 AM 2020
It is one thing to flog your psychic abilities. It is another to bury yourself in the part. Patterns do exist. Where do you get off proclaiming that they don't exist. It's comical. This is a pattern of attention whoring. That does not exist either.
Go to the dictionary and find the definition of pattern.
Patterns are not things.
This is simple stuff.
Precog, I respect your way of play, I got nothing against it, if it works for you - go go!
But to say that repeaters don't exist... my friend, that's stupid! Really stupid! And you know this! Mathematically speaking, in 38 spins of a single zero roulette, do you have repeaters or not?
Before you answer... I rest my case!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Apr 30, 10:36 AM 2020
Precog, I respect your way of play, I got nothing against it, if it works for you - go go!
But to say that repeaters don't exist... my friend, that's stupid! Really stupid! And you know this! Mathematically speaking, in 38 spins of a single zero roulette, do you have repeaters or not?
Before you answer... I rest my case!
You misunderstood what I mean.
Let me be clearer.
In extremely hot and sunny environments it sometimes makes sense to use an umbrella to create a shadow so that we can get some shade from the sun.
Here a shadow is an attribute of the umbrella. A shadow can not exist in and of itself.
The same for repeaters these are attributes of RTM.
The wheel exists, the ball exists, but repeaters do not exist.
If repeaters exist so do half repeaters or half sleepers. I guess orange repeaters also exist too then? Patterns are not things.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 10:32 AM 2020
Go to the dictionary and find the definition of pattern.
Patterns are not things.
This is simple stuff.
My gut feeling is that you are trying to hard. It's like a young man that tries too hard to fall in love. You can be the "Amazing Kreskin" if you just relax and enjoy your special gift.
Don't see this it will wreck your impression:
What are the odds of getting 7 heads in a row?
1 in 128
I know if you flip a coin 7 times, the odds of getting 7 heads in a row is 1 in 27 or 1 in 128.
.5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x.5 = 0.007813
Precogmiles - You couldn't have said it any better - I have also noticed that 90% of the posts for the last 10+ years are all beating a dead horse , it's a complete dead end.
By seeing this, you understand why casinos make millions. 99% of the gamblers have a similar mindset, but in the casinos it's even a level lower for an average gambler.
It's either plain stupidity or stubbornness - unwilling to let go of the old ways and to try something new.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 10:54 AM 2020
My gut feeling is that you are trying to hard. It's like a young man that tries too hard to fall in love. You can be the "Amazing Kreskin" if you just relax and enjoy your special gift.
Don't see this it will wreck your impression:
What are the odds of getting 7 heads in a row?
1 in 128
I know if you flip a coin 7 times, the odds of getting 7 heads in a row is 1 in 27 or 1 in 128.
.5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x.5 = 0.007813
Gizmo, good for you. Keep reading randomness.
I don't know where the hostility is coming from.
It seems you are over sensitive when it comes to anyone talking about 'patterns'. Get over it.
Quote from: winforus on Apr 30, 10:58 AM 2020
Precogmiles - You couldn't have said it any better - I have also noticed that 90% of the posts for the last 10+ years are all beating a dead horse , it's a complete dead end.
By seeing this, you understand why casinos make millions. 99% of the gamblers have a similar mindset, but in the casinos it's even a level lower for an average gambler.
It's either plain stupidity or stubbornness - unwilling to let go of the old ways and to try something new.
I agree 100%, it is extremely strange. It doesn't take a genius to see 1+1=3 is wrong, this is basic stuff.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 11:25 AM 2020It seems you are over sensitive when it comes to anyone talking about 'patterns'. Get over it.
No, this my command post. I'm the one to tell when to lighten up. And BTW, patterns exist in nature too.
Here a few examples: "In biology, natural selection can cause the development of patterns in living things for several reasons, including camouflage, sexual selection, and different kinds of signalling, including mimicry and cleaning symbiosis."
and: "In nature, equiangular spirals occur simply because the forces that create the spiral are in equilibrium, and are often seen in non-living examples such as spiral arms of galaxies and the spirals of hurricanes. Fibonacci spirals, Golden spirals and golden ratio-based spirals often appear in living organisms."
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 11:31 AM 2020
No, this my command post. I'm the one to tell when to lighten up. And BTW, patterns exist in nature too.
Sad. Just go back to reading random.
Patterns are not things, they don't exist as tangible entities. Patterns are descriptions of how things are orangized.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 11:38 AM 2020
Sad. Just go back to reading random.
Patterns are not things, they don't exist as tangible entities. Patterns are descriptions of how things are orangized.
Bwahaha! boy am I glad that was all cleared up.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 11:42 AM 2020
Bwahaha! boy am I glad that was all cleared up.
Yes we have greeded that "Patterns do not exist, they are descriptions."
Thanks for wasting my time.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 11:46 AM 2020Thanks for wasting my time.
I'm glad I have the power to keep you here.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 11:54 AM 2020
I'm glad I have the power to keep you here.
I started the thread......logic?
Gizmo are you ok? What is with the bizzare ego/power trip?
Stop being so sensitive about the word 'pattern'. Its just a word.
How can you say there are no repeats, do or not hit the ball the same already hit area? If don t hit the same number , will hit a area which have at least one from the previous numbers, if that is not a repeat what a hell It is?
We have only 37 numbers not 37 milions.
If split the wheel in two areas A and B, how many times we see this ABABAB.....,or AABBAABB...., this are not patterns? what they are , flying pigs?
All that is produced by the dealer , or the dealer is also a shadow?
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 11:59 AM 2020
I started the thread......logic?
Gizmo are you ok? What is with the bizzare ego/power trip?
Stop being so sensitive about the word 'pattern'. Its just a word.
Let's investigate the synoptic construct of another word then. You don't want to just talk to your self you know. Let's investigate the existence of "duck."
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 30, 12:09 PM 2020
How can you say there are no repeats, do or not hit the ball the same already hit area? If don t hit the same number , will hit a area which have at least one from the previous numbers, if that is not a repeat what a hell It is?
We have only 37 numbers not 37 milions.
If split the wheel in two areas A and B, how many times we see this ABABAB.....,or AABBAABB...., this are not patterns? what they are , flying pigs?
All that is produced by the dealer , or the dealer is also a shadow?
If repeaters exist, does half a repeater exists? Does a full repeater exist? Does a blue repeater exist?
Repeaters and sleepers are attributes of regression to the mean.
The force of RTM exists. The reason sleepers occur is because they were repeaters in the previous sample and the reason repeaters occur is because they were sleepers previously.
This is all being caused by RTM.
Do you know what they following are?
Resisters
Loopers
Oneholds
Straighter
Elows
Do any of these exist in roulette either?
Stop confusing attributes for tangible real things.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 11:38 AM 2020Patterns are not things, they don't exist as tangible entities. Patterns are descriptions of how things are orangized.
What are patterns? I don't like the dictionary definition very much; I would say a pattern is a relation between 'tangibles', either in time or space. So I agree it's an attribute, not a tangible thing, but then RTM isn't a tangible thing either. Even if you assume it's a force (which is questionable), a force isn't a tangible thing, so to be consistent you should say RTM doesn't exist either. So something which doesn't exist causes something else which doesn't exist. ;D
Hi, my gambling friends. My take on this is it's Possible but highly Improbable that hundre
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 12:22 PM 2020The force of RTM exists.
Then is settled, and am I glad too. There is no such thing a RTM.
Hi, my gambling friends. My take on this is it is Possible but highly Improbable that in hundreds of Spins no Repeater will occur. It is all a guess. Even a highly intelligent guess is still a guess. So we all guess at a guess, a 1 in 38 guess on an American wheel, and guess what?, it's still a guess. My guessing is Winning at an 80% rate (a 4 to 1 ratio), but this is a thread on Repeaters. I have read Ion Saliu's report and the Wizard Of Vegas's report on Repeaters. Highly intelligent works on Math and Probabilities and Statistics, but be extremely cautious Betting on Repeaters.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 12:22 PM 2020
If repeaters exist, does half a repeater exists? Does a full repeater exist? Does a blue repeater exist?
Repeaters and sleepers are attributes of regression to the mean.
The force of RTM exists. The reason sleepers occur is because they were repeaters in the previous sample and the reason repeaters occur is because they were sleepers previously.
This is all being caused by RTM.
Do you know what they following are?
Resisters
Loopers
Oneholds
Straighter
Elows
Do any of these exist in roulette either?
Stop confusing attributes for tangible real things.
Do dozens , columns , lines ...etc....exist?
Do groups of numbers on the wheel exist ?
Do they all repeat over and over .... ?
Do do a blue monkey exist ? ops...of topic.
Do half a blue monkey exist...i can t stop...
Who cares about attributes / tangibles/ , use the words you want,
the numbers and the groups of numbers will repeat you like it or not.
Btw.... you have opened the *third eye* ?
I have opened my *third ear* , I can hear where the ball is going to stop.
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If repeaters exist, does half a repeater exists? Does a full repeater exist? Does a blue repeater exist?
If Precogmiles exist, does half a prcogmil exist, daoes a blue Precogmile exist?
But if there are people who elect the dumpest person in the world as president, so there will be people who believe even this.
Quote from: winkel on Apr 30, 01:59 PM 2020But if there are people who elect the dumpest person in the world as president
lol, even the most loyal Trump supporters must have been cringing at his latest gaff.
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Quote from: Joe on Apr 30, 12:53 PM 2020
What are patterns? I don't like the dictionary definition very much; I would say a pattern is a relation between 'tangibles', either in time or space. So I agree it's an attribute, not a tangible thing, but then RTM isn't a tangible thing either. Even if you assume it's a force (which is questionable), a force isn't a tangible thing, so to be consistent you should say RTM doesn't exist either. So something which doesn't exist causes something else which doesn't exist. ;D
You are somewhat right. What exist is actually the 'deeper reality'. Fields are just manifestations of that deeper reality, which we can empirically deduce.
I am happy to explore the nature of RTM or forces, but in no way are forces equal to the attempt at reification in regards to Repeaters.
The first is a interesting philosophical question, the later a completely absurdity. This was my only point in regards to patterns.
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 30, 01:36 PM 2020Who cares about attributes / tangibles/ , use the words you want,
the numbers and the groups of numbers will repeat you like it or not.
Ok it seems like you have not understood the purpose of this post.
Let me make it simple.
You claim 'the numbers and the group's of numbers will repeat.' My question is why?
Telling me that numbers repeat does not help you find a solution to the problem of roulette.
This type of ignorant, low IQ attitude is why you have been chasing shadows for 10 years.
**I am happy to explore the nature of RTM or forces**
The Force be with you Einsteinostradamus.
Quote from: winkel on Apr 30, 01:59 PM 2020
If Precogmiles exist, does half a prcogmil exist, daoes a blue Precogmile exist?
Systems based on repeaters or sleepers are delusional. Whatever acronym they use.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 04:17 PM 2020
Ok it seems like you have not understood the purpose of this post.
Let me make it simple.
You claim 'the numbers and the group's of numbers will repeat.' My question is why?
Telling me that numbers repeat does not help you find a solution to the problem of roulette.
This type of ignorant, low IQ attitude is why you have been chasing shadows for 10 years.
It's coincidence. It's not RTM. It's like when they called you to come up and get brains you said "who needs trains."
The only sure thing that exists in roulette is repeaters. Numbers repeat, dozens repeat, columns repeat, colors repeat, everything repeats.
The only thing that we are sure that will happen in roulette, is repeats.
The problem is that we cannot find any safe system to take advantage of repeaters.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 04:41 PM 2020
It's coincidence. It's not RTM. It's like when they called you to come up and get brains you said "who needs trains."
You have delusions of grandeur. Get some help.
“ future vision, future sight is a claimed psychic ability to see events in the future. As with other paranormal phenomena, there is no accepted scientific evidence that precognition is a real effect and it is widely considered to be pseudoscience.â€
What a load of shit.
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 30, 04:26 PM 2020
**I am happy to explore the nature of RTM or forces**
The Force be with you Einsteinostradamus.
You have been chasing your tail for 10 years.
After 10 years do you have a solution in how to beat roulette?
No? :lol: :twisted: :lol:
You are a clown. Enjoy chasing shadows.
Let's try this another way. The dealer grabs the ball and tucks it under lip of a wheel already spinning at a satisfying speed. He throws the ball in the opposite direction as the wheel is spinning where the ball runs over a smashed bugger that he tucked over the ball track an hour earlier. Now the ball slows down to a point where gravity and drag have overcome the ballistic mass of the orbital object to a point that the bugger infested ball starts to fall out of the track. It runs into a diamond shaped bumper at a calculable value that is based on figures derived from the logic of a return to mean calculation, including bugger feces. At that point only an idiot could use this information to then treat the casino as their very own personal ATM machine. But psychic powers prevail anyway because everyone else is stupid.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 04:48 PM 2020
The only sure thing that exists in roulette is repeaters. Numbers repeat, dozens repeat, columns repeat, colors repeat, everything repeats.
The only thing that we are sure that will happen in roulette, is repeats.
The problem is that we cannot find any safe system to take advantage of repeaters.
Then so are sleepers.
If you can't take advantage of something why do you care about it? Why give it a name?
Is it just an exercise in futility, or do you actually want to win at roulette?
Repeaters and sleepers are attributes of RTM.
Focus on what actually exists not it's attributes.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 05:05 PM 2020Focus on what actually exists not it's attributes.
Why don't you focus on crystals and incense. I suppose win streaks and losing streaks don't exist either?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Apr 30, 05:13 PM 2020
Why don't you focus on crystals and incense. I suppose win streaks and losing streaks don't exist either?
Reading randomness = guessing
You are another one who has been here for 10 years. What do you have to show for it?
An elaborate guessing system? :lol: :lol:
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 05:20 PM 2020
Reading randomness = guessing
You are another one who has been here for 10 years. What do you have to show for it?
An elaborate guessing system? :lol: :lol:
I don't have a problem with that.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 05:20 PM 2020
Reading randomness = guessing
You are another one who has been here for 10 years. What do you have to show for it?
An elaborate guessing system? :lol: :lol:
I agree. You see a lot of this form of guessing in FX trading.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 05:05 PM 2020
Then so are sleepers.
If you can't take advantage of something why do you care about it? Why give it a name?
Is it just an exercise in futility, or do you actually want to win at roulette?
Repeaters and sleepers are attributes of RTM.
Focus on what actually exists not it's attributes.
If system players try exploit repeaters or sleepers based on probability distribution, it fails.
Simple example, EC of 50:50 probability distribution. Can this probability be exploited? No
RTM won't work with roulette as well.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 05:20 PM 2020Reading randomness = guessing
We are finely making progress after ten years. It's not a claim of prediction. Now kindly remember it.
Quote from: cht on Apr 30, 05:36 PM 2020If system players try exploit repeaters or sleepers based on probability distribution, it fails.
Simple example, EC of 50:50 probability distribution. Can this probability be exploited? No
RTM won't work with roulette as well.
Not surprising at all, I agree completely. Once you attempt to use probability distribution your chances are cooked. So all you have left around here after that is a physics based computer, AP, guessing, or psychic phenomenon. Have I missed anything?
Betting for or against spin "patterns" won't work.
Betting for or against probability distribution "patterns" won't work either.
Sorry to disappoint systems folks.
Physics is another illusion. Casinos have already taken care of this with those diamonds across the wheel.
Betting with the belief that random has limits is too superficial to exploit.
Simple example, 20 consecutive reds bet black.
This type of random has limits bet give no edge.
That's why bets relying on x steps negative progression is a sure fail.
Ignatius and the progression junkies, you're wasting your time and life.
Betting based on statistical count yields no edge.
Trend following statistical count bet example,
5reds bet red
Or, trend reversal statistical count bet example,
5reds bet black.
Both statistical count bet won't work.
Stochastical calculus won't work.
Quote from: cht on Apr 30, 05:56 PM 2020Betting for or against spin "patterns" won't work.
Once again I must completely agree with you. But using patterns and trends as an excuse or method to make a bet selections can be a useful tool to get to the only situational awareness that can help you win. You must discover when your bet selections are working and when they are not. So when your selections are working in a swarm or in a condition of dominating then they are also looking like the trend or pattern is working. So all this is coincidental and a best guess. It's far better than expecting a probability to kick in when you want it to. You can't know how long a win streak will last. It's just a guess. But you can be sure that a win streak will not end during a losing streak. With math you don't get a guess or a prediction.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 05:57 PM 2020
Physics is another illusion. Casinos have already taken care of this with those diamonds across the wheel.
When anyone claim physics,
Ask him for the physics content.
More often than not "physics" roulette players quote the word physics with zero physics content.
If it was that easy, physicists collaborate with mech engineers to beat this game. An obvious threat to the casino business.
Quote from: cht on Apr 30, 06:07 PM 2020
Betting based on statistical count yields no edge.
Trend following statistical count bet example,
5reds bet red
Or, trend reversal statistical count bet example,
5reds bet black.
Both statistical count bet won't work.
Yep, once it becomes rule based it will run right into a sequence that kills it dead.
AP is a crude form of physics plus mech eng.
Another bs.
Let me make this as simple as possible. It's just a guess. Just in case you don't know this yet a consistent bet selection like betting only on red will cause up and down waves in the results graph if you are flat betting each spin. Now all you need to do is to figure out a way to exploit that. Make up your own way. I did.
I've covered everything.
About precognition, as a non-believer, I have no intent to ridicule followers. No comment.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 27, 02:47 AM 2020
Are we all wrong?
Yes.
Accept this yes answer,
Or,
Bang your head on the wall.
It's your choice.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 10:07 AM 2020
The problem we are trying to solve in roulette is to guess the next number accurately.
This is incorrect.
It does not necessarily be the next spin.
Next spin applies only to EC bets.
You have doz, col, lines, streets and so on with different number of spins.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 04:59 PM 2020
You have been chasing your tail for 10 years.
After 10 years do you have a solution in how to beat roulette?
No? :lol: :twisted: :lol:
You are a clown. Enjoy chasing shadows.
Clown? Chassing shadows, what movie is that.... :-\
Must be that movie where the clown saw the next roulette number in his dream.
Mister high(chiken) IQ level, i like to play (when RNG/ airball) pattern based systems, and
i have my Solution and it s based on dealer signature not on *i see the future* games,
not shadows, not pregointuguessitions.
You started all this sh*t when named( in other thread ) all system players junkies and
low IQ people. From that my attitude toward you ....i don t really care if you win or lose with your stuff.
Happy winnings but not virtual ones.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 10:07 AM 2020The problem we are trying to solve in roulette is to guess the next number accurately.
So says the brain. I don't think so. I beat Roulette because I win the number of bets out of 100 to 200 spins that I should and I lose the larger number of those bets that I should lose. For an example I win 40 bets out of 100. I lose 60 bets out of the same 100. I just don't fund half of those lost bets. The next number is pointless. What matters are the obvious win streaks and the obvious losing streaks. If you really have psychic capabilities how come you can't see losing streaks? Does your skill only look forward the length of the next spin? I'll bet in a real peer reviewed psychological research study you are a fake. That all this is a confirmed delusion.
Quote from: winforus on Apr 29, 02:25 PM 2020
The only way to have an edge and to win in the long run, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions.
Lets say our imaginary method predicts 0 accurately better than odds.
0 hit 10 times in the last 500 spins.
This means that you have to place bet when some of those 0 hit that in the eventual count your bets hit better than odds.
Point is even if you have an accurate method to predict 0, 0 may hit lower than odds during our betting session.
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This brings to question about the underlying premise of most systems design, that is, some unique spin sequence happens more often than odds.
Does this exist in roulette spins ?
Repeaters, sleepers, Vaddi pairs, unique voodoo patterns
Do any of these hit above odds ?
At the very least you understand the underlying "assumption" or "hypothesis" that might hv hitrate exceeding odds.
That's why it's very important to figure out the reason
why your systems bet may hit at higher rate than odds.
Else you're chasing the rainbow.
And if you do hv it figured out,
Steve says "Go make your millions." :thumbsup:
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 30, 08:36 PM 2020
Clown? Chassing shadows, what movie is that.... :-\
Must be that movie where the clown saw the next roulette number in his dream.
Mister high(chiken) IQ level, i like to play (when RNG/ airball) pattern based systems, and
i have my Solution and it s based on dealer signature not on *i see the future* games,
not shadows, not pregointuguessitions.
You started all this sh*t when named( in other thread ) all system players junkies and
low IQ people. From that my attitude toward you ....i don t really care if you win or lose with your stuff.
Happy winnings but not virtual ones.
Why do you have a losing chart as your avatar?
It s just a avatar/chart from 2010, you happy with the new ?
Quote from: Kattila on May 01, 07:20 AM 2020
It s just a avatar/chart from 2010, you happy with the new ?
Yes, you bet. It's just like a New York COVID-19 chart.
Quote from: Kattila on May 01, 07:20 AM 2020
It s just a avatar/chart from 2010, you happy with the new ?
Yes it is much better, now it looks like one of my precog charts.