Hi Guys,
I hope I can explain this idea well enough so you get the idea.
Lets say the last spin was #27 and the next spin is #14 on the wheel. That is 16 spaces apart.
Now look on the table layout with the same numbers. The #27 & #14 are 23 spaces apart.
The bet: The wheel bet will not be 23 spaces to the next number and the table bet will not be 16 spaces apart.
So you count to the number on the wheel that is 23 spaces past the #14 and leave that number open on the table....Then you look at the table to see what number is 16 spaces from the #14 on the table and leave that number open.
Cover the remaining numbers with one unit each. (This will only work on a European Wheel)
I think it will take a very long time before the spacing on the Wheel and the a table will match.
These above numbers will not match on a european wheel but it works the same way.
Let me know what you think or if you have questions let me know.
Scooby Doo
Hi Scoob
I near to getting the jist of your idea.
I've been working on a similar scheme for ages now.
Just wondered if you/we might get more help/discussion
if you show the movements you spoke of,
in a graphical formate on a couple of drawings?
There are blanks in here- look under FELT for table layout,
and ask Victor VLS for Disc/wheel drawings.( Or Kattila has some blanks too)
Disc (with one of my movement marks)
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Felt from the archive is here.
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So we leave 13, 30 blank? Do we count 0 as well in the wheel/table or ignore it.
Hi chisbis,
Even if I have e pic of the wheel, I don't know how to put the lines and arrows on it like you did.
Maybe I could ask you kindly to do it for me, at least for one demonstration.
Lets use the numbers 26-14-3
That will give a spin to bet on....
And of course a table layout with the same three numbers.
If you will do that for me, I think I can explain it much better.
Thanks,
Scooby Doo
Hi Weddings,
yes, you count the Zero. You will be betting on 35 of the 37 numbers. If you land on Zero, count from the last number up to Zero and that will give you the count you are looking for.
Scooby Doo
always clockwise? how are you doing up till now?
Hi Weddings,
I have not tried this with spinning wheels that go in two different directions but my approach would be to put them in two groups and play them serately.
The odds of the wheel and the board being the same number of notches from the last number is highly unlikely.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 07, 12:15 PM 2010
The odds of the wheel and the board being the same number of notches from the last number is highly unlikely.
Scooby Doo
Do you know what those odds are plz Scoob ?
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 06, 05:29 PM 2010
I think it will take a very long time before the spacing on the Wheel and the a table will match.
True, but:
If I understand correctly, you are betting that the spacing (23 and 16 from your example) will not repeat, switching wheel spacing to table, and table to wheel.
On the bet, you are leaving one number open based on the wheel, and another number open based on the table. But only one has to hit for you to lose. So they are not a combined condition, but separate conditions.
Again using your example, 23 spaces and 16 spaces, the bet cannot be that you win unless 23 AND 16 repeat, but that you win unless 23 OR 16 repeat, much lower odds.
While it's true that both will rarely repeat, only one has to repeat for you to lose.
Am I interpreting it correctly?
Hi Mikeo,
What we would be betting is that the wheel spacing will not be the same as the table spacing and the reverse would also be true.
It's true that if one of those bets came up as the same as the opposite, you would lose that bet and win the other. (Lose 35 units....Win 1 unit)
I think that losing one or the other of those bets would not happen within several hundred, if not thousands of spins so an occasional loss would mean nothing. Exact odds I am not sure of.
Scooby Doo
Any Use Scooby?
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Hi Guys,
Ok, if you look at the wheel and board illistrations above, Count the spaces from #27 continueing until you get up to and including #14. Do not count #27. On the wheel, that will add up to 14 spaces and on the board, it adds up to 23 spaces.
So Our next move is to count 23 spaces from #14 on the wheel and 14 spaces on the board. Whatever those two numbers are, we will leave open and bet one unit on all of the other numbers.
Note: Unless the Zero is within your spacing count, DO NOT include it in your space count on the board.
Scooby Doo
Hey Chrisbis,
Thanks for your help putting the wheel and board imagines in your post. You only made one mistake. Unless the Zero is part of your spacing count, you do not include it.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 07, 03:33 PM 2010
It's true that if one of those bets came up as the same as the opposite, you would lose that bet and win the other. (Lose 35 units....Win 1 unit)
Hi Scooby,
Maybe I'm still missing something, but you refer to 2 bets. I only see one bet, shown here.
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So for the next bet in the example, you leave 13 and 30 open, and cover the other 35 numbers.
If 13 or 30 hit, you lose 35. There is no other bet to win.
Is this not correct?
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 07, 03:33 PM 2010
I think that losing one or the other of those bets would not happen within several hundred, if not thousands of spins so an occasional loss would mean nothing. Exact odds I am not sure of.
If this proves to be true, it would definitely be a winner.
Thanks
Michael
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 07, 11:20 AM 2010
Hi Weddings,
yes, you count the Zero. You will be betting on 35 of the 37 numbers. If you land on Zero, count from the last number up to Zero and that will give you the count you are looking for.
Scooby Doo
Very confused now.
One minute U say U count zero, then U tell me not to count zero.
If U are playing a strategy game of flat betting multiple numbers in order to secure an advantage by saying the ball WILL NOT LAND at a certain point, then surely U must count Zero, as Its just a number like any other, and has the same chance of the ball landing on it in any given spin.
I did not understand Ur request for a drawing because U gave me three numbers (26- 14 -3) without instructing me where the movement had come from, from which direction the movement was, or the rotation of the wheel, which as |U know in live wheels, is alternating every spin.
Give me some more numbers & instructs, and I'll do another drawing for U Scoob.
I'm liking the Topic tho!! Nice one. :thumbsup:
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 08, 02:39 PM 2010
surely you must count Zero, as Its just a number like any other, and has the same chance of the ball landing on it in any given spin.
My God :o
The day of all days has arrived !
lol sorry chris but I cudnt help myself lol :-*
Not necessarily mate!
Nice to put a smile on U lot tho- knew It would raise a laugh from one or two of U.
In this particular case, yes Zero, my Green Goblin friend,
is indeed just another number,
but when playing Ec's, Doz, Columns and
In certain ways of playing splits/streets/D streets,
- then the Green Goddess is still Queen in my book,
and I bow to her prowess in her ability to reduce BankRolls and make grown men weak at the knee's!!
:-* :love: for U too darling!!
(Even Drog is preparing a new strategy to cope with 0/00 American wheel, by counting that pair of Goblins, (know hereafter as a Gox) in his Six Split To Win system>>>
QuoteDroganson,
I know you originally developed Six Splits for single zero European roulette and I was thinking that we can apply it to the 00 American wheel by including the 0/00 split in our tracking and betting by treating it like any other split and instead of tracking 12 splits we track 13 splits to trigger our bet on the remaining 6 splits.
Maybe, Droganson should count the European wheel single Zero, as a split on its own, and devise a plan for both instances in the same manner!!
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You're out of your mind, Chrisbis! :P Surely you have gone too far down the rabbit hole. You need to eat some uppelkuchen and get out of there!
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 08, 03:23 PM 2010
You're out of your mind, Chrisbis! :P Surely you have gone too far down the rabbit hole. You need to eat some uppelkuchen and get out of there!
Rrr shucks, U say the nicest of things. :D
Now then, tell me again how this straight jacket unbuttons warden? :-X
Hi Guys,
I'm sorry....It was late when I posted some of what I said so let me clarify.
You are leaving two numbers open and betting on the remaining 35 numbers.
@Chrisbis: On the wheel, if the Zero does not fall within the spaces between your numbers, then there is no reason to include it when you do your counting on the board. However, if the Zero does fall within the counted spaces between your two numbers on the wheel, then of course you will include it when you count spaces on the board.
Sorry for the misunderstanding....my bad.
Scooby Doo
Well Guys,
I think it's time for some of you to start posting some results in 100-spin sessions. Just thinking about it will show you nothing.
Just make sure you are using only a European Wheel to get your spins from.
Scooby Doo
Come on Guys,
Lets not let this thread die until we see some testing results! I think you'll be very surprised if you just take the time to give it a 100-spin test. A few of those should convince most anyone as to the validity of this method.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 09, 07:53 AM 2010
Hi Guys,
I'm sorry....It was late when I posted some of what I said so let me clarify.
You are leaving two numbers open and betting on the remaining 35 numbers.
@Chrisbis: On the wheel, if the Zero does not fall within the spaces between your numbers, then there is no reason to include it when you do your counting on the board. However, if the Zero does fall within the counted spaces between your two numbers on the wheel, then of course you will include it when you count spaces on the board.
Sorry for the misunderstanding....my bad.
Scooby Doo
This statement, does not make sense to me Scoob, sorry mate.
U are either counting it, or Ur not.
In this plan U have, are U playing against the wheel, or against the table (Felt)?
In either case, since the establishment of the bet is going to be flat stake based bets, then the Zero Green Goblin has to be inclusive in the theory, (except for No Zero Table/Wheel)
Do U want any more drawings 2 illustrate Ur plan/method?
Happy to help, just think U need a bit of clarity on the staging and the reason for the system.
Scoob the reason I chose not to invest time in this is because Im not keen risking 35 Units to win 1 Unit
Or did I misunderstand ?
Hi Twisteruk,
No you have it right BUTTTTTTT.....As I stated before, The likelyhood of losing one of your bets very remote, Therefore, "risking" 35 units to win one unit is NOT a scary proposition
Scooby Doo
I have some empathy with Twist's position on this , tho at the moment, the debug version of the Tipping Tool, is giving up-to 22 numbers to bet on, so maybe not all lost at sea on Ur system eh Scooooooby!!
AH HELL! JUST FORGET IT! You guys are like a bunch of butterflies jumping from one thing to another.
I swear, if you ever found the Holy Grail, you'd just go off on some other tangent looking for something better.
True.
Hey everyone- I just found a pile of toys on the floor......................................
They were by this pram that's been left outside the Casino corner shop?
Anyone? ?
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