Hi All,
I was looking for the longest run of a number can win in a row and did not find here.
But I found this information on a other roulette site and tought it could be usefull for calculation of progression.
So there it is:
This page is to document some extremes that have been noted during a runoff of 1 million
spins (rng).
The data may be of some use to those looking for an advantage, and needing to know this info.
The extremes are noted below, from each betting location on the layout.
Straight up bets (betting on a single number)
payout is 35 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 37
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 38
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
466 spins (2 numbers did this)
Second most without a showing :
449 spins (2 numbers did this)
Longest repeating number :
(Correction: 5 spins, 1 number did this )
4 spins (14 numbers did this)
====================
Split bets (betting on two numbers at once)
payout is 17 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 18.5
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 19
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
249 spins (1 split did this)
Longest repeating split :
6 spins (3 splits did this)
====================
Street bets (betting on three numbers at once)
payout is 11 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 12.33
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 12.66
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
160 spins (1 street did this)
Longest repeating street :
7 spins (1 street did this)
====================
Corner bets (betting on four numbers at once)
payout is 8 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 9.25
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 9.5
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
136 spins (1 corner did this)
Longest repeating corner :
7 spins (4 corners did this)
====================
Line bet (betting on 6 numbers at once)
payout is 5 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 6.16
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 6.33
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
89 spins (1 line did this)
Longest repeating line :
9 spins (1 line did this)
====================
Dozen bet (betting on 12 numbers at once)
payout is 2 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 3.08
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 3.16
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
35 spins (1 dozen did this)
Longest repeating dozen :
13 spins (1 dozen did this)
====================
Column bets (betting on 12 numbers at once)
payout and odds same as dozen bets
Most spins without a showing :
38 spins (1 column did this)
Longest repeating column :
12 spins (2 columns did this)
====================
Even money bets
payout is 1 to 1
odds of winning are 1 in 2.05
(European Table Single 0)
and 1 in 2.11
(American Table Double 0)
Most spins without a showing :
24 spins (1 even money bet did this)
Longest repeating even money bet :
19 spins (2 even money bets did this)
====================
In another chart form
Location...Longest no show...Most repeated
Straight Up.......466..........4 (Correction: 5)
Splits................249..........6
Streets..............160..........7
Corners............136..........7
Line..................89............9
Dozen...............35...........13
Column.............38...........12
Even Money......24...........19
This covers 1 Million spins.
Assume the spin per hour at a casino is around 40 -
This data covers 25,000 hours of wheel spins.
1,041 days / or / 3 years roughly.
If you like sleepers, simply "reverse engineer" your systems to these numbers.
Suppose the longest progression you could make on a straight up bet is
200 spins - then you know from the above data to begin the progression
at spin 266 without the number showing.
Same for all other locations.
This will mean very very long qualification time, massive amounts of
data recording without playing and then the risk that the extremes
above will be broken during your playing session.
(not likely but anything is possible)
Hope the info is of some use.
Cheers
Normy
Thanks for the data Normy.
good work in locating the stats. :thumbsup:
Bud check this:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/lifetime-event!!!/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/lifetime-event)
i saw one number 5 times in a row
and somewhere I saw the same event screenshot (from another casino) somewhere in forums
there is a bug, u have to copy the address to your browser window, it is not clickable.
i am going to report this bug to Vic
Here are some of these extreme....
4 times 10
4 times 24 in last 10
lots of 4 and 29
and finaly, 5 times 23 in last 10
(imagine $20 on it would have pay $3500 in 10 spins!)
Normy
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 09, 12:51 PM 2011
Bud check this:
i saw one number 5 times in a row
Thanks for info Igor...
and here is some more for u bud
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/repeats/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/repeats/)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/repeats-again/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/repeats-again/)
I see No29 hit 4 times and have seen a Screen Shot of a number hitting 5 times
Imagine what the odds are of seeing all 37 numbers in 37 spins ?
Thats the SAME as one number repeating 37 times !! :o
check this out
link:://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/what-is-the-most-x-one-has-seen-a-number/msg81220/#msg81220 (link:://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/what-is-the-most-x-one-has-seen-a-number/msg81220/#msg81220)
Wow, its my long lost baby------------the one before this one in my Belly!!!!!!
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Zero Green Goblin- Daddies Little Boy!!!!
Lol ....thought you'd like that one Chris!!!
Wooow 7 0's or 7 anything! this is worst than my worst nightmare!
Was is RNG or live wheel?
I would like to collect information about real wheel only here please.
RNG is not really the roulette game.
I would call it a nice controllable piece of software that look like but have nothing to do with real Roulette since it can be controled by a human being and/or by preseted parameters to win whatever %.
So, any longest records of any king of bets on live table are wellcome and will be usefull to perfect our progressions attack ...
Hi Normy
It was real wheel at Bella Vegas (Not sure if it has one anymore)but it did and this was on it..
Hihihi, if a dealer shout me 7 times the samething(0), I call Pittboss and ask him to remove the positive magnet in the ball and the negative magnet hiden under the zero so I can try something else than zero...
Evening lads.
May I join Ur debate here!
Can U tell me, since I have not yet experienced real B & M casino wheels,
is it standard, that after a series of 3 or 4 repeat numbers, the dealer would stand aside, and a pitboss would come along a take the next spin?
I have seen this happen plenty of time on Live on-line casino wheels, where the girl dealer would stop playing for a while after 3 repeat numbers, ad the pitboss take over for the very next spin only?
Anyone else seen such activity?
I notice that too, it append very often at Fairways casino...
Say the dealer shout 4 times Red Even(or whatever), Hoops! pitboss come and shout one spin at her (his) place.
Wonder why??? Just to break the trend?
I like to chase those repeater...BE BO RE or RO, they comeback every 5 - 10 spin.
I got my trigger set at 10 no-show repeater (the longest i saw is 18 after analysing many thousand spins). Then you go 1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,7,9,12,16.... Usually hit quit!
Got one for U guys.
Earlier, in another session, that only lasted 3 spins, I had the results:-
4
4
4
And I was going to post it up, but then I thought- well its only three in a row, so no-one would really be interested.
(Having said that, it was the first three numbers out of the casino, and it was BV, so It made me sit up and take notice.)
So, I restared the session BV NZ (Bet Voyager- NO Zero), and here is the results of the first few spins...........................enjoy, if U dare!!
???
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Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 09, 01:10 PM 2011
I see No29 hit 4 times and have seen a Screen Shot of a number hitting 5 times
Imagine what the odds are of seeing all 37 numbers in 37 spins ?
never happens, if we could base a system on this then we would win all the time, i saw a progression that might haelp with this from winkel, it may even help his system.
that's the SAME as one number repeating 37 times !! :o
basicly you would need to relie on a repeat, cause you never see all 37 numbers hit.
most repeats hit in between the 10th and 20 spin.
if we hade a 37 step progression then maybe.
how many times have you seen a number hit twice in arow in say 37 spins.
though im sure its possible to not get a number hiting twice but from what i have seen it happens alot.
if we are basing this on the same number hitting then you could use a very long progression.
now if we really wanted to be safe then we would have to cover all numbers to get a hit from a repeat after each spin, but that would be costly.
most of the time there will be a repeat in 10 spins but we can all agree that there will be a repeat before the 30th spin.
how do we take advantage of this, im not going to lie it would be very costly but if it ment you couldnt lose then i think its worth it.
heres one idea, bet on one number always the last number in hoping to get a double.
bet at one unit up to 36 times, then do the same at 2 units upto 36 times, then go up to 4 units for 36 times.
when after a win reset to one unit.
total progression108.
b.r$252
i guess its still possible to lose but i dont think i havent seen one number hit at two times.
just a thought.
the other idea might be to cover 15 numbers straight out then after a loss is to keep covering up the numbers that hit that arent on your bets.
this could be costly and you would have to use a typ of progression.
if you start at 10 numbers then climeb but didnt climeb for 3 spins, so you have thee chances of getting a hit.
if loss then add those 3 numbers in your bet then add a progression.
and start again and continue, ill do a progression.
numbers x units
10 x 1
10 x 1
10 x 1
13 x 2
13 x 2
15 x 4
15 x 4
17 x 8
17 x 8
it might be best to always add in the last number to hit so you catch it hitting twice but the idea is to get a hit in 9 steps by covering 17 numbers which is just over 50%.
another way to play it is to to do the first 10 spins with out a hit and write the numbers down then then bet on those numbers then start the bet
if we were to cover 5 numbers and got no hits
cover those ten numbers and got no hits in 5 spins
now we cover the 15 numbers with no hits in 5 spins
now we cover 20 numbers for 5 spins, no hits
we cover 25 numbers for 5 spins no hits
now we cover 30 numbers and no hits in 5 spins
we go to 35 numbers and hit in 5 spins, do we make profit, not sure might work it out.
so i tried to make a progression but it didnt work.
i would proberly just follow the ball and after a hit you bet double like winkels strategy.
this way you dont need a big bankroll but anyway just a thought