I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.
I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".
I believe in the following:
1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling
I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system. Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.
That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.
If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time. . . .
Nothing works but you are looking for something.
IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?
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winkel
Quote from: winkel on Feb 24, 01:10 PM 2011
Nothing works but you are looking for something.
IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?
It is indeed..
Quote from: winkel link=topic=4212. msg39612#msg39612 date=1298571027
Nothing works but you are looking for something.
IsnÃ,´t that a contradiction?
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winkel
Not at all.
I don't believe that Roulette can be beaten by science or math - Roulette is just too simple of a game to be beaten - you have so little control of the game to allow systems to work.
I have a gut feeling that money management might make Roulette profitable - it's 100% math; but it's just a gut feeling.
On that slim chance I've spend time on various chat-rooms looking for money management ideas.
But voodoo science or math can't be used to beat Roulette. . . .
"Roulette can't be beaten"
Is your subject. But you do think that it can be beaten by money management?
If you are interested in new thinking and a very powerful progression than look in this thread.
The possibilities to tweak it is enormous.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/)
Btw, Welcome to the forum ;)
Maui seems to get great pleasure from telling us about his cheap-skate drinking habit and his inability to find a winning method, despite his degree that he likes to flaunt as why we should believe that we cannot find a method of winning without such great credentials as his. For instance, he criticized my system because I was just a "home-grown" mathmetician without a degree to match his. I guess we should stop using Microsoft products, reading books by Tolstoy or Shakespear, or utilize any of Benjamin Franklin's inventions (as he only attended formal school through age 10). Humans will never run a 4-minute mile, put a man on the moon, or talk to another person anywhere in the world without being tethered to wires. These are the weak excuses of someone who cannot find an answer on his own, but it is easy to claim the answers never will exist. Maui - if you want a 2-hour test done, do it yourself. The people that post on these forums (excepting those who sell their systems) gain nothing from having people believe or disbelive them. I don't care if you like my system, or if anyone else does. I like it, it is profitable for me, and I would rather spend two hours playing my system for real money and profit than trying to prove to a bitter person like yourself that it plays as well as I know it does. 2 hours are hard for me to find at any given time - I squeeze in short rounds when I get a chance. Your constant criticisms might make you feel good, but they certainly don't make you look any smarter.
Quote from: Fripper link=topic=4212. msg39618#msg39618 date=1298573296
"Roulette can't be beaten"
Is your subject. But you do think that it can be beaten by money management?
If you are interested in new thinking and a very powerful progression than look in this thread.
The possibilities to tweak it is enormous.
hxxp: rouletteforum. cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/
by the way, Welcome to the forum ;)
Labouchere never has ever made any sense to me - I put down how much I want to make and it simply keeps track of my daydream.
I threw out Labouchere 5 minutes after I first learned of it many decades ago - don't know why anyone uses it. Breaking it into "chunks" and playing with the numbers is nonsense.
But thank you for the link.
Quote from: Colbster link=topic=4212. msg39619#msg39619 date=1298573922
Maui seems to get great pleasure from telling us about his cheap-skate drinking habit and his inability to find a winning method, despite his degree that he likes to flaunt as why we should believe that we cannot find a method of winning without such great credentials as his. For instance, he criticized my system because I was just a "home-grown" mathmetician without a degree to match his. I guess we should stop using Microsoft products, reading books by Tolstoy or Shakespear, or utilize any of Benjamin Franklin's inventions (as he only attended formal school through age 10). Humans will never run a 4-minute mile, put a man on the moon, or talk to another person anywhere in the world without being tethered to wires. These are the weak excuses of someone who cannot find an answer on his own, but it is easy to claim the answers never will exist. Maui - if you want a 2-hour test done, do it yourself. The people that post on these forums (excepting those who sell their systems) gain nothing from having people believe or disbelive them. I don't care if you like my system, or if anyone else does. I like it, it is profitable for me, and I would rather spend two hours playing my system for real money and profit than trying to prove to a bitter person like yourself that it plays as well as I know it does. 2 hours are hard for me to find at any given time - I squeeze in short rounds when I get a chance. Your constant criticisms might make you feel good, but they certainly don't make you look any smarter.
I'm sorry if I've ruffled your feathers - accept my apology please.
I am just expressing my views on Roulette and if it differs from yours, well that's what chat rooms are all about.
As to criticism, I simply ask folks who sell systems and who say they have winning systems to simply demo them in real time for 2 hours - about 100 spins. This should be enough time to demonstrate a system/method that actually works.
I believe good hearted folks have just fooled themselves and have nothing in the way of a system. There is a big difference between playing with play money in the quite of their homes and demonstrating their skills in real time before an audience that doesn't believe in Mulligans. . . . .
P. S.
I actually believe I use Roulette as it was intended - betting alternative Red and Black and getting free drinks.
I haven't seen anyone do better with Roulette over a long run - I'm proud to say I've been doing this for years and I know I get more in free drinks than what I lose.
And I guess I could demo my system but only I would have a good time. . . .
That said, not only do I accept your apology, I tip my hat in agreement with your comment about system sellers. When so many give away their systems freely, there should be a higher level expected from those commercial interests that work through these boards. While I do not have a math degree, I am an enthusiast towards the indeniablity of math. I am perfectly willing to conced that a single spin on a roulette wheel (barring the no-zero online tables) will always lose to the house advantage from a mathmatical standpoint. I would enjoy having a conversation about my system with you in a chat setting, because I think someone who values math like you do would appreciate the simplicity and absolute way that my betting system overpowers the house advantage. For any who view math as the immutable law of the physical world (and I consider myself among those), my system has an undeniable edge. You would probably appreciate the accomplishment more than most, if we can take a couple minutes without the automatic reaction of disbelief. My system is based on math, explained by math, and supported by math. I think you would approve.
Quote from: Colbster link=topic=4212. msg39632#msg39632 date=1298575767
That said, not only do I accept your apology, I tip my hat in agreement with your comment about system sellers. When so many give away their systems freely, there should be a higher level expected from those commercial interests that work through these boards. While I do not have a math degree, I am an enthusiast towards the indeniablity of math. I am perfectly willing to conced that a single spin on a roulette wheel (barring the no-zero online tables) will always lose to the house advantage from a mathmatical standpoint. I would enjoy having a conversation about my system with you in a chat setting, because I think someone who values math like you do would appreciate the simplicity and absolute way that my betting system overpowers the house advantage. For any who view math as the immutable law of the physical world (and I consider myself among those), my system has an undeniable edge. You would probably appreciate the accomplishment more than most, if we can take a couple minutes without the automatic reaction of disbelief. My system is based on math, explained by math, and supported by math. I think you would approve.
How do we proceed?
I have my beliefs but I'm human and I make mistakes all the time.
I am spending 2011 learning Roulette and investigating concepts that might not make sense to me but give me a spark in another direction.
I'm in chat now - would love for you to join me :)
Quote from: MauiSunset on Feb 24, 12:59 PM 2011
I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.
I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".
I believe in the following:
1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling
I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system. Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.
That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.
If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time. . . .
Then you better tune in to the main systems section on saturday, I am about to blow negative thinking out of the water. With the method to rule all methods. Read the new thread on Saturday called MIRROR 6. Test it then tell anyone the game is unbeatable. You wont be able to.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4212. msg39636#msg39636 date=1298576984
Then you better tune in to the main systems section on saturday, I am about to blow negative thinking out of the water. With the method to rule all methods. Read the new thread on Saturday called MIRROR 6. Test it then tell anyone the game is unbeatable. You wont be able to.
Sadly, or really happily, we leave to a 2 week vacation to Maui starting Saturday at 8 am Central time - I will try to catch up later in the week.
Quote from: Colbster link=topic=4212. msg39634#msg39634 date=1298576286
I'm in chat now - would love for you to join me :)
Thank you for pointing out an area that I never caught on with your method. I will research and get back later.
Thanks again. . .
Nice to see a couple of members dealing with their differences of opinion in such a civilised manner. Well done :thumbsup:
That's what makes this forum very special...
@Colbster
Don't be too surpised if some of the mathematical devotees come knocking at your door, wanting to learn about your method.
I must confess I'm interested, too! ;)
You might even consider starting up a thread about it...
Esosito,
My basic premise is presented in link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/. (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/.) Please look at the math I present in the beginning post without concern for how I select which dozens to play. I give an overly simplified example just for the sake of explanation, but that is not the method that I play (although it is actually related to how I play). I welcome the math guys because they should be the quickest to recognize that the traditional house advantage has been overcome and then some. Thanks for the interest!
Colbster,
Your 2-hour challenge is pretty weak.
There are numerous systems on this forum that can easily win for 100 spins.
That doesn't prove they are winners for 1000 spins. Now that is a real test of a system.
100? Just throwing chips on the table can win in a 100 spins with a little luck.
Now if you challenge someone to a $1000 wager that their system will lose in the next 100 spins, I doubt that you would get too many takers.
100 spins is just too few to prove anything.
Although, thanks for sharing your perspective.
G
Quote from: Colbster link=topic=4212. msg39657#msg39657 date=1298592925
Esosito,
My basic premise is presented in hxxp: rouletteforum. cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/. Please look at the math I present in the beginning post without concern for how I select which dozens to play. I give an overly simplified example just for the sake of explanation, but that is not the method that I play (although it is actually related to how I play). I welcome the math guys because they should be the quickest to recognize that the traditional house advantage has been overcome and then some. Thanks for the interest!
OK, I've reread your system and I just don't see anything to the system.
You pick 2 dozen or 24 out of 37 numbers covered and win 1 unit 24 out of 37 spins and lose 26 out of 37 spins (lose 2 units on the open dozen plus 2 units on Green 0) - net loss of 2 units in 37 spins.
What am I missing here?
Roulette can be beaten, just not all the time. One should not get too hung up about roulette and treat it more like a hobby and not a means. There are people that do win consistently but are few and far between. Have fun with it as roulette is an enjoyable pastime. :thumbsup:
Quote from: furple link=topic=4212. msg39674#msg39674 date=1298633534
Roulette can be beaten, just not all the time. One should not get too hung up about roulette and treat it more like a hobby and not a means. There are people that do win consistently but are few and far between. Have fun with it as roulette is an enjoyable pastime. :thumbsup:
That's exactly how I view Roulette - I get free drinks which cost more than what I lose.
This is the maximum I've been able to get out of Roulette over the years.
Can I get more? That's why I haunt these chatrooms. . . .
Quote from: GLC on Feb 24, 09:06 PM 2011
Colbster,
Your 2-hour challenge is pretty weak.
There are numerous systems on this forum that can easily win for 100 spins.
That doesn't prove they are winners for 1000 spins. Now that is a real test of a system.
100? Just throwing chips on the table can win in a 100 spins with a little luck.
Now if you challenge someone to a $1000 wager that their system will lose in the next 100 spins, I doubt that you would get too many takers.
100 spins is just too few to prove anything.
Although, thanks for sharing your perspective.
G
For the record, the 2-hour system has nothing to do with me. That was MauiSunset's ongoing challenge to anyone who wanted to present a system. I completely agree with you that 100 spin sessions do not prove the merit, or lack thereof, of any system. I just feel that having mechanical rules by which I play helps me keep my emotions out of the equation, preventing me from making poor decisions that cost me money in the long run. I have played my system for tens of thousands of spins, both play and real money, both RNG and a tiny bit on the real wheel. I am a consistent (but not every single session) winner who has a great win-loss ratio that suits me just fine. I understand that my betting methods are not suitable for everyone, as everyone has a style that fits their personalities. As I have stated frequently in my own thread, I wanted to highlight the mathematical advantage I have identified, hoping that it can be incorporated with other players systems for maximum gain.
Well I can say that roulette can't be beaten absolutely and finally without any doubt and under all probailities simply because of the house edge involved, but we can earn more and lose less for sure if we know how to do that. In vlsroulette.com and in this forum I have thrown an open challenge to all roulette experts and veterans (to all non-believers) to provide me 10 sessions of 500 spin each and I will have 1000 units bankroll for each session. I will play all and come out with 500 units profit averagely from every session. vlsroulette.com's admin. Steve said that he can do that too, I invited him to prove and he got scared and banned me.
See my exclusive section in this forum to see proofs of my winnings upon deposits and even no deposit bonuses fulfilling enormous wagering conditions also.
If you seriously feel there is no way out to win money from roulette, you are wasting your time and that of ours here.
"If you seriously feel there is no way out to win money from roulette, you are wasting your time and that of ours here."
It's never a waste of time to debate concerns and to share perspectives, whether or not we agree with the views expressed.
That's the purpose of a forum.
I certainly don't feel it's a waste of my time to read others' points of view.
Dear Esoito,
I am giving my opinion and not a verdict. There have been many topics on this issue in all forums. If someone has a firm belief that roulette can't be beaten, instead of joining a forum to speak this again and again, that person should be just a guest or rather he should avoid thinking about the roulette itself. As our forum's punchline:- Rouletteforum.cc-roulette system players' forum.
Quote from: albalaha on Feb 25, 10:34 PM 2011
Dear Esoito,
I am giving my opinion and not a verdict. There have been many topics on this issue in all forums. If someone has a firm belief that roulette can't be beaten, instead of joining a forum to speak this again and again, that person should be just a guest or rather he should avoid thinking about the roulette itself. As our forum's punchline:- Rouletteforum.cc-roulette system players' forum.
You make some good points :thumbsup:
Food for thought...
Good point dear Albalaha,
The best option would be to use the forum's dissenting area:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/)
Open a topic on why he/she believes a determined system doesn't work and have a SINGLE link in the actual system's thread pointing to it, as to allowing others who may like to dissent to join and not hijack the original thread where people is brainstorming in peace.
There's room to dissent from methods in our forum, but politely (link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/section-description/).
Each year I pick another casino game to master - I spend the entire year learning it.
This year it's Roulette; up until now I play Roulette simply as a 1-hour break from playing Black Jack which I just love and spend most of my time playing.
Roulette is simply a fancy version of just flipping a coin. It's too simple in order to build any kind of a system that works. This is not to say that money management might not work. With MM Roulette is complex enough to develop some interesting techniques - the reason I'm here.
I don't believe in what I call the UFO technology - patterns in random numbers, ballistics of the wheel and ball and signatures of the guy spinning the ball. I have no doubt this is all junk science but it has an allure to it.
Can I be wrong? Of course I can, I've been down this path many times before trading stocks and commodities - 99% of what's out there is just junk but that 1% is enough to keep me looking.....
Every form of gambling has uncertainity associated with it to some extent. Roulette is no exception. It doesn't mean u can't earn from it. You might have got frustrated by losing always in roulette but there are ways to earn. To be a winner, try to be a good listener on this forum than speaker. There is no magic wand or Mantra of winning.
I think trying to beat Roulette or Baccarat for that matter is a wast of time. You can't beat any casino game long term it just can't be done!
But you can win more money than you lose and that is what you should be concentrating on.
Playing a system/method for 1000's of spins non-stop is a total wast of time and it does not prove anything.
I mean who do you know that will sit a a roulette table and play non-stop for days on end!
This is the way I look at it you have good spots and bad spots, just like you have good days and bad days, have you ever had a day when you just could not do anything wrong, but on the flip side had days where everything you seem to do just goes wrong.
Well that is the way I look at gambling at casino games, I hope when I sit down to play it is one of those days where luck in on my side, and if it is not then I get out with as little damage to my bankroll as possible.
I make far more than I lose at the moment and it has been that way for a long time now, it is not that hard you just have to pick you battles and know when you are beat, live to fight another day.
I know I can not be the only one on this forum that makes more money than they lose.
Thanks
malcop
Quote from: malcop on Feb 26, 03:33 AM 2011
I think trying to beat Roulette or Baccarat for that matter is a waste of time. You can't beat any casino game long term it just can't be done!
But you can win more money than you lose and that is what you should be concentrating on.
Playing a system/method for 1000's of spins non-stop is a total waste of time and it does not prove anything.
I mean who do you know that will sit a a roulette table and play non-stop for days on end!
This is the way I look at it you have good spots and bad spots, just like you have good days and bad days, have you ever had a day when you just could not do anything wrong, but on the flip side had days where everything you seem to do just goes wrong.
Well that is the way I look at gambling at casino games, I hope when I sit down to play it is one of those days where luck in on my side, and if it is not then I get out with as little damage to my bankroll as possible.
I make far more than I lose at the moment and it has been that way for a long time now, it is not that hard you just have to pick you battles and know when you are beat, live to fight another day.
I know I can not be the only one on this forum that makes more money than they lose.
Thanks
malcop
this my friend is sound advice :D :thumbsup:
Nicely articulated. When luck is smiling on u hit them hard, when its not , make sure its damn hard for them to take back your $$$. Its damn near impossible to win every session, what we're all looking for is a plus at the end on the month.
:D
hamsup
About 2 weeks ago I played European Roulette in an online casino.
In the first 4 spins I got 3 Green 0's.
I quit and came back 1 hour later where I saw a normal Roulette session.
There is such a thing as bad-luck - don't fight it, realize it and run like hell.....
Roulette can be beaten.
I'm beating it right now!!
Good luck everyone.
Come on England....................Six Nations Rugby.
(England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, Italy)
Quote from: chrisbis on Feb 26, 08:46 AM 2011
Roulette can be beaten.
I'm beating it right now!!
Good luck everyone.
Come on England....................Six Nations Rugby.
(England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, Italy)
Easy to say, hard to prove.
Here's how to prove it:
This is all easier if you have 2 monitors or 2 PCs - that I can't help you with.
Step 1 - get live TV Roulette working
Simply place your mouse over the following link and right click the mouse - you will see a menu. Click "Open link in new Browser" or "Open link in new tab" - the choice is yours:
link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html (link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html)
Now click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play"
You now have a live TV Roulette wheel that goes 24/7 and just wait for the next spin. You can actually bet, with play money, which I suggest you do
You can get the last 185 spins by:
1) Click "stats" tab in lower left window
2) Click "Last 185" tab and you will see the last 185 spins
Step 2 - Get Live chatroom running
Click the "Enter Chat" tab at the left of this page
You are now live and running.
If you want to see what chats have taken place in the last few minutes type in:
/Back 200
That will give you the last 200 conversations in the last 24-hrs
==============================================
It's really easy, just notify folks when you wish to demonstrate your system and follow the instructions above.
Simple as pie....3.14159..................
Here's another live TV Roulette Table: link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette)
Quote from: MauiSunset on Feb 26, 08:58 AM 2011
Easy to say, hard to prove.
Here's how to prove it:
This is all easier if you have 2 monitors or 2 PCs - that I can't help you with.
Step 1 - get live TV Roulette working
Simply place your mouse over the following link and right click the mouse - you will see a menu. Click "Open link in new Browser" or "Open link in new tab" - the choice is yours:
link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html (link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html)
Now click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play"
You now have a live TV Roulette wheel that goes 24/7 and just wait for the next spin. You can actually bet, with play money, which I suggest you do
You can get the last 185 spins by:
1) Click "stats" tab in lower left window
2) Click "Last 185" tab and you will see the last 185 spins
Step 2 - Get Live chatroom running
Click the "Enter Chat" tab at the left of this page
You are now live and running.
If you want to see what chats have taken place in the last few minutes type in:
/Back 200
That will give you the last 200 conversations in the last 24-hrs
==============================================
It's really easy, just notify folks when you wish to demonstrate your system and follow the instructions above.
Simple as pie....3.14159..................
Here's another live TV Roulette Table: link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette)
listen several of us are already beating roulette daily with the Matrix vertical concept. I'm about to throw down one System to rule them All. With Mirror 6 no one will fear random ever again after Mirror 6 gets out there.
Quote from: Colbster on Feb 25, 08:16 PM 2011
For the record, the 2-hour system has nothing to do with me. That was MauiSunset's ongoing challenge to anyone who wanted to present a system. I completely agree with you that 100 spin sessions do not prove the merit, or lack thereof, of any system. I just feel that having mechanical rules by which I play helps me keep my emotions out of the equation, preventing me from making poor decisions that cost me money in the long run. I have played my system for tens of thousands of spins, both play and real money, both RNG and a tiny bit on the real wheel. I am a consistent (but not every single session) winner who has a great win-loss ratio that suits me just fine. I understand that my betting methods are not suitable for everyone, as everyone has a style that fits their personalities. As I have stated frequently in my own thread, I wanted to highlight the mathematical advantage I have identified, hoping that it can be incorporated with other players systems for maximum gain.
Sorry Colbster. I didn't mean to direct that post to you. I accidentally typed your name instead of Maui's. It was just an observation that his 2 hour challenge should really be a longer time period or multiple sessions of 2 hours.
After reading more of his posts I realize his 2 hour challenge was not to be taken literally. It was just his way of saying that he doesn't think roulette can be beaten. Point taken but not agreed with.
G
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 26, 09:50 AM 2011
listen several of us are already beating roulette daily with the Matrix vertical concept. I'm about to throw down one System to rule them All. With Mirror 6 no one will fear random ever again after Mirror 6 gets out there.
That's great - I'm traveling to Maui today, so I can't watch any demo until 24 hrs.
Quote from: GLC on Feb 26, 09:51 AM 2011
Sorry Colbster. I didn't mean to direct that post to you. I accidentally typed your name instead of Maui's. It was just an observation that his 2 hour challenge should really be a longer time period or multiple sessions of 2 hours.
After reading more of his posts I realize his 2 hour challenge was not to be taken literally. It was just his way of saying that he doesn't think roulette can be beaten. Point taken but not agreed with.
G
2 hours should be plenty of time, or 100 spins, to demo a system - if it can't make money in that time frame there isn't anything there.
I can see the demo being terminated due to "bad luck", I know that exists and a person has no control over it. However the second 2-hr session should reflect on the system....
Lets get something straight, when the mathematicians came to the conclusion Roulette is mathematically impossible to beat flat betting over the long haul they stand correct. But roulette is far from unbeatable over the long haul. It requires 3 essentials. A method with a good consistent strikerate. A good staking system. And above all a player with the patience and discipline to Stick to the PLAN. That third essential is ALWAYS the weak link in the TRiANGLE for success. Less than 1% of human beings have what it takes.
That is the reason the myth still exists that roulette longterm is unbeatable. Im one of the 1% thats knows otherwise.
I have beaten it very badly and consistently and I can even prove it upon a big challenge.
Quote from: albalaha on Feb 26, 12:10 PM 2011
I have beaten it very badly and consistently and I can even prove it upon a big challenge.
Al and JL,
Thanks for your positive affirmations stating that you are beating roulette on a regular basis.
Last year I actually came out ahead playing roulette. I played about 120 hours on an airball machine with double zeros. I played a variety of systems that I know, all from off this forum. I know that at least one of them (a 7 step marty system on even chances) was very lucky. My ROL vs BEH was also a winner.
I can't say for sure that I can win with my methods year in and year out because I haven't played enough hours to make the determination.
Statements like yours from people we trust give us all confidence that our main goal is achievable and we're not just having fun interacting with decent chaps from all over this little planet, (which isn't a bad thing in it's self).
Thanks,
George
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 26, 11:58 AM 2011
Lets get something straight, when the mathematicians came to the conclusion Roulette is mathematically impossible to beat flat betting over the long haul they stand correct. But roulette is far from unbeatable over the long haul. It requires 3 essentials. A method with a good consistent strikerate. A good staking system. And above all a player with the patience and discipline to Stick to the PLAN. That third essential is ALWAYS the weak link in the TRiANGLE for success. Less than 1% of human beings have what it takes.
That is the reason the myth still exists that roulette longterm is unbeatable. I'm one of the 1% that's knows otherwise.
Easy to say, hard to prove.
Mathematics is mathematics - over the long haul Roulette is a money maker for the casinos; if not they'd rip them out.
The burden of proof falls on the folks who claim that they can beat statistics.
I've never seen proof so I must rely on statistics I learned in college....
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See my section and you will find more proofs than you need.
colbster would you be able to share your method please?
Quote from: albalaha on Feb 27, 05:12 AM 2011
See my section and you will find more proofs than you need.
I see no "proof" just folks exchanging systems that have no proof.
Proof is so easy to demo - play 100 spins or 2 hrs in real time - one losing session means little, 2 loosing sessions are meaningful and 3+ mean there isn't anything there.
You can set up private rooms and invite only certain folks if you want - demo it in front of folks you trust but demo it to prove to those folks you aren't wasting your time and money.
Just a suggestion.....
Can't u see my winnings upon celtic, betvoyager etc in my exclusive section? I have even won many no deposit bonuses from dozens of casinos, specially those powered by Rival. Winning from roulette is difficult but not impossible.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 09:10 AM 2011
Can't you see my winnings upon celtic, betvoyager etc in my exclusive section? I have even won many no deposit bonuses from dozens of casinos, specially those powered by Rival. Winning from roulette is difficult but not impossible.
No offense to you, but Photoshop and phony programs that can produce any king of screens imaginable are available and unless we see live spinning wheel and live chat the results offer no proof at all.
Do you wanna have a challenge? What can u offer for this? I can win 1 unit per spin averagely in any live roulette session.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 10:38 AM 2011
Do you wanna have a challenge? What can you offer for this? I can win 1 unit per spin averagely in any live roulette session.
Great. I'm on vacation this week in Maui and can't tell the family I would rather spend 2 hours on-line with someone I don't know than with them - so I will back in St. Louis on March 14 and available 24/7 then.
Here is my challenge:
Here's how:
This is all easier if you have 2 monitors or 2 PCs - that I can't help you with.
Step 1 - get live TV Roulette working
Simply place your mouse over the following link and right click the mouse - you will see a menu. Click "Open link in new Browser" or "Open link in new tab" - the choice is yours:
link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html (link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html)
Now click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play"
You now have a live TV Roulette wheel that goes 24/7 and just wait for the next spin. You can actually bet, with play money, which I suggest you do
You can get the last 185 spins by:
1) Click "stats" tab in lower left window
2) Click "Last 185" tab and you will see the last 185 spins
Step 2 - Get Live chatroom running
Click the "Enter Chat" tab at the left of this page
You are now live and running.
If you want to see what chats have taken place in the last few minutes type in:
/Back 200
That will give you the last 200 conversations in the last 24-hrs
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It's really easy, just notify folks when you wish to demonstrate your system and follow the instructions above.
Simple as pie....3.14159..................
Here's another live TV Roulette Table: link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette)
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Play 100 min spins or 2 hours min and if you make $1 in winnings I will send you a $25 gift certificate to Outback Steak House.
One session can be have Lady Luck not kind to you so if you lose then another challenge of 100 spins or 2 hours min would be next and the same reward. The total of session 1 and 2 would be used to determine if you win the reward.
I can see a 3rd challenge if the total of #1 & #2 don't show a win of $1. But if session #3 and #2 and #1 total to a net loss then the technique/system doesn't work.
Let me know and we can set up a 2 hour slot and invite folks to watch - March 14th or later....
Mauisunset A QUESTION, Have you ever done any real testing yourself, if so what kind of systems were theyÃ,¿? Negative pessimistic attitudes are born out of failure. As the opposite is true of success. The way you will ever know a method like MATRIX VERTICAL 3 works is to test and see for yourself.
And you could fall asleep sometimes waiting for triggers, thats not the point. The point is random cannot defeat it very often. in between defeats you rack up profits until your bankroll is a financial fortress. Beating ROULETTE is a triangle of 3 ESSENTIALS
1/A METHOD with a good consistent strikerate
2/Supreme money management.
3/Patience and discipline to Stick to it.
99% of human beings come up short on that third ESSENTIAL, which is the ONLY reason the myth still perpetuates today that ROULETTE is unbeatable. If you could program 1 million human beings to play as I do for the next two years youd soon see the waves that would be made throughout the industry.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 05, 11:10 AM 2011
Mauisunset A QUESTION, Have you ever done any real testing yourself, if so what kind of systems were theyÃ,¿? Negative pessimistic attitudes are born out of failure. As the opposite is true of success. The way you will ever know a method like MATRIX VERTICAL 3 works is to test and see for yourself.
And you could fall asleep sometimes waiting for triggers, that's not the point. The point is random cannot defeat it very often. in between defeats you rack up profits until your bankroll is a financial fortress. Beating ROULETTE is a triangle of 3 ESSENTIALS
1/A METHOD with a good consistent strikerate
2/Supreme money management.
3/Patience and discipline to Stick to it.
99% of human beings come up short on that third ESSENTIAL, which is the ONLY reason the myth still perpetuates today that ROULETTE is unbeatable. If you could program 1 million human beings to play as I do for the next two years youd soon see the waves that would be made throughout the industry.
I have had one person take my challenge on another chat-room - he is coming back for round #2 after I get back from vacation. Round #1 went well, mechanically, and he demonstrated his technique/skill. Lady luck wasn't with him that night and he has spent 3 weeks perfecting his method and is ready for Round #2.
Personally, I have no system to demonstrate - I play Roulette for the free drinks as entertainment break from playing Black Jack. So I have nothing to demonstrate at all except guzzling free drinks which you probably will take my word that I'm very good at doing.
I have yet to see someone play Roulette for 2 hours and walk away a winner - the $25 gift certificate is my thanks for someone taking my challenge and will boost my enthusiasm for beating Roulette.
Dear Mauisunset,
You are asking for $1 profit per session, while I can get that much almost per spin. Let me assure u that if I play 185 spins, my minimum win should be not less than $100 or 100 units. I have tested my method upon zumma tester's book having 15000 spins with success. So, I am very sure of winning under all conditions. The prize that you are offering is my winning within max 30 minutes, so why should I waste my time (it will take not less than 3 hours to play 185 spins)? You wanna know a sure winner system for free or for $25 only. Not acceptable to me. I have already undergone live challenge on vlsroulette with success. See this: link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/the-100-spin-challenge/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/the-100-spin-challenge/)
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 05, 11:17 AM 2011
I have had one person take my challenge on another chat-room - he is coming back for round #2 after I get back from vacation. Round #1 went well, mechanically, and he demonstrated his technique/skill. Lady luck wasn't with him that night and he has spent 3 weeks perfecting his method and is ready for Round #2.
Personally, I have no system to demonstrate - I play Roulette for the free drinks as entertainment break from playing Black Jack. So I have nothing to demonstrate at all except guzzling free drinks which you probably will take my word that I'm very good at doing.
I have yet to see someone play Roulette for 2 hours and walk away a winner - the $25 gift certificate is my thanks for someone taking my challenge and will boost my enthusiasm for beating Roulette.
Was that an anwserÃ,¿? So you play live wheels in real establishments, good for true random but slow. 3--5 minutes per spin would require a 6 hr session to show MATRIX VERTICAL 3 working properly you could wait three hours just for your trigger at that snail pace. you need a setup where the ball spins every 30 seconds or so.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 11:32 AM 2011
Dear Mauisunset,
You are asking for $1 profit per session, while I can get that much almost per spin. Let me assure you that if I play 185 spins, my minimum win should be not less than $100 or 100 units. I have tested my method upon zumma tester's book having 15000 spins with success. So, I am very sure of winning under all conditions. The prize that you are offering is my winning within max 30 minutes, so why should I waste my time (it will take not less than 3 hours to play 185 spins)? You wanna know a sure winner system for free or for $25 only. Not acceptable to me. I have already undergone live challenge on vlsroulette with success. See this: link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/the-100-spin-challenge/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/the-100-spin-challenge/)
The 100 min spins and 2 hour min are VERY important and part of the challenge!
Anyone can walk up to a table, plunk down 30 chips and win 35 - 30 or 5 chips on spin #1 - that is no challenge at all.
However, over 100 spins or 2 hours keeping that winning is where a real system shows up, not just dumb luck.
That's my challenge - take is or leave it; that's up to you.
Folks offer all kinds of creative reasons for not taking the challenge - but only one has taken it. My $25 Outback gift certificate rests safely in my desk.....
You can test me not once but 5 times and not 100 but upon 1000 spins but u will have to deposit $1000 with VLS. If u lose, $1000 will be mine and if u win, I will leave this forum and roulette forever and u will get ur moneyback from Victor. Have guts to face this challenge? I openly challenged Stefano aka Steve (admin of vlsroulette.com) also but he banned me from his forum instead of actually taking my challenge. Go to vlsroulette.com and in Challenge Zone, you can still see my challenges.
You wanna see a winner system for $25. Why should I?
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 11:59 AM 2011
You can test me not once but 5 times and not 100 but upon 1000 spins but you will have to deposit $1000 with VLS. If you lose, $1000 will be mine and if you win, I will leave this forum and roulette forever and you will get your moneyback from Victor. Have guts to face this challenge? I openly challenged Stefano aka Steve (admin of vlsroulette.com) also but he banned me from his forum instead of actually taking my challenge. Go to vlsroulette.com and in Challenge Zone, you can still see my challenges.
You wanna see a winner system for $25. Why should I?
I've stated my challenge - take it or leave it.
You will simply be like everyone else - excuses, excuses, excuses.....
I am not here to fulfill your wishes. If live challenge results and my winning screenshots can't satisfy you, why can't you take my challenge? I can just say that winnings in roulette is difficult and not impossible.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 05, 11:41 AM 2011
The 100 min spins and 2 hour min are VERY important and part of the challenge!
Anyone can walk up to a table, plunk down 30 chips and win 35 - 30 or 5 chips on spin #1 - that is no challenge at all.
However, over 100 spins or 2 hours keeping that winning is where a real system shows up, not just dumb luck.
That's my challenge - take is or leave it; that's up to you.
Folks offer all kinds of creative reasons for not taking the challenge - but only one has taken it. My $25 Outback gift certificate rests safely in my desk.....
Mauisunset, this post shows you don't really know much about how to test a method properly to start with. A method could win over several 100 spin sessions and still be flawed longterm. You do know this? That is why I REPEAT, THE ONLY WAY you WILL ever KNOW A method is solid is to test it over SEVERAL MONTHS YOURSELF. Thats always a negatives excuse. They cant be bothered.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 12:06 PM 2011
I am not here to fulfill your wishes. If live challenge results and my winning screenshots can't satisfy you, why can't you take my challenge? I can just say that winnings in roulette is difficult and not impossible.
You don't have to take my challenge - it's 100% voluntary.
Let me know if you every want to take it...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 05, 12:23 PM 2011
Mauisunset, this post shows you don't really know much about how to test a method properly to start with. A method could win over several 100 spin sessions and still be flawed longterm. You do know this? That is why I REPEAT, THE ONLY WAY you WILL ever KNOW A method is solid is to test it over SEVERAL MONTHS YOURSELF. that's always a negatives excuse. They can't be bothered.
Give me a break!
If a system doesn't show promise in 2 hours it's a phony.
Account for "bad luck" and try it 2 more times and if, after either 2,4, or 6 hours a system shows a let loss then it's a phony.
I don't know what the mumbo-jumbo about months of testing is all about; nobody will ever use a system that can't win in 100 spins/2 hours of play - never.
If I ever stumble upon a Roulette system that actually works it will be obvious - within 2 spins it will have winnings and never look back.
Quite frankly I don't know why anyone would be on Roulette chatrooms with something that actually works - they would be playing Roulette 24/7 and so would their spouse and kids and parents and grand parents - all playing Roulette 24/7.
But on the off chance someone has a winning system and wants to demo it, that's why I'm here....
there is no winning system on a long run. even the best systems will fail. Period. It does not mean though that it is impossible to beat roulette. But this is a very complicated matter.
Nobody is gonna teach u here. It is a very valuable knowledge.
I can't prove what i am saying, it is just my opinion (after reading some books ). I haven't beaten roulette as well.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 05, 12:48 PM 2011
There is no winning system on a long run. even the best systems will fail. Period. It does not mean though that it is impossible to beat roulette. But this is a very complicated matter.
Nobody is gonna teach you here. It is a very valuable knowledge.
I can't prove what I am saying, it is just my opinion (after reading some books ). I haven't beaten roulette as well.
Then you obviously have never tested the Matrix. Roulette bows to it like a martial arts student to their master. I will say it again the WEAK LINK is the PLAYER NOT THE METHOD. They will fold long before a good method applied with superior money-management EVER DOES...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 05, 12:33 PM 2011
Give me a break!
If a system doesn't show promise in 2 hours it's a phony.
Account for "bad luck" and try it 2 more times and if, after either 2,4, or 6 hours a system shows a let loss then it's a phony.
I don't know what the mumbo-jumbo about months of testing is all about; nobody will ever use a system that can't win in 100 spins/2 hours of play - never.
If I ever stumble upon a Roulette system that actually works it will be obvious - within 2 spins it will have winnings and never look back.
Quite frankly I don't know why anyone would be on Roulette chatrooms with something that actually works - they would be playing Roulette 24/7 and so would their spouse and kids and parents and grand parents - all playing Roulette 24/7.
But on the off chance someone has a winning system and wants to demo it, that's why I'm here....
Mauisunset you're showing alot of ignorance here I am sorry but 2 spins? What exactly are you thinking of. RED OR BLACK? I will repeat a METHOD could win for several 100 spin sessions only to tank soon after. THAT is why it must stand up over several 1000 sessions to be SOLID. If you do not understand this you have no business posting a challenge to start with. I think you may have had one free drink to many on your vacation... :-[
Well,
I have proved myself many times and a challenger should come to me with courage.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 05, 01:08 PM 2011
Well,
I have proved myself many times and a challenger should come to me with courage.
Albalaha will be interesting to know your method??
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 05, 12:54 PM 2011
Then you obviously have never tested the Matrix. Roulette bows to it like a martial arts student to their master. I will say it again the WEAK LINK is the PLAYER NOT THE METHOD. They will fold long before a good method applied with superior money-management EVER DOES...
what kind of Matrix? i do use matrix.
I think everyone would be interested to know Albalaha's method but I doubt we ever will. After all this has been talked about for a long time in many different places.
Robert
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 05, 01:00 PM 2011
Mauisunset you're showing a lot of ignorance here I am sorry but 2 spins? What exactly are you thinking of. RED OR BLACK? I will repeat a METHOD could win for several 100 spin sessions only to tank soon after. THAT is why it must stand up over several 1000 sessions to be SOLID. If you do not understand this you have no business posting a challenge to start with. I think you may have had one free drink to many on your vacation... :-[
Like I said there are all kinds of creative excuses from folks who constantly brag about how great their system is just can't demo it in front of a live audience with a live spinning wheel.
My challenge is open to anyone, but after March 14, 2011 - so practice in the live chat room.
You can create private chat rooms with passwords - invite your relatives to watch you practice. You will be amazed just how poorly a theoretical system performs in front of an audience.
Who will be the first to win that $25 Outback certificate??????
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 05, 01:51 PM 2011
Like I said there are all kinds of creative excuses from folks who constantly brag about how great their system is just can't demo it in front of a live audience with a live spinning wheel.
My challenge is open to anyone, but after March 14, 2011 - so practice in the live chat room.
You can create private chat rooms with passwords - invite your relatives to watch you practice. You will be amazed just how poorly a theoretical system performs in front of an audience.
Who will be the first to win that $25 Outback certificate??????
There are no 100 spin live tests that will prove anything. This is a joke right?
If you are telling me you would be convinced a system had merit if it survived even 5 of your ,proposed live tests, you have alot to learn.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 05, 02:46 PM 2011
There are no 100 spin live tests that will prove anything. This is a joke right?
If you are telling me you would be convinced a system had merit if it survived even 5 of your ,proposed live tests, you have a lot to learn.
This is a ludicrous discussion - how many spins will a person lose before they admit that what they are using is totally worthless?
100 spins and folks might stand a loss of maybe 50% - at least me.
200 spins and the BR should be close to break even.
300 spins and there had better be a positive BR or the system will be dumped.
Those are my gut feelings - if a study has been conducted I'd certainly like to see a link.
Playing a full night of Roulette needs to show a profit or why come back tomorrow night for more of the same?
Let's get real here - I can't imagine someone losing money one night and being convinced to blow more money the next night - maybe you believe consumers will do so but I don't believe it for a second.....
??? maui sunset why are moaning about roulette if you can play know what you doing then play there is not point to say oh there is not wining system no one can prove me wrong about roulette and so on...why someone has to prove to you that there is system or whatsoever...year and half ago i did put 1000 pounds on online casino account since then i play 3 or 4 days a week and always make 50-60 pounds up and withdraw them still doing that..still have my 1000 pounds...never play certain system just common sence...most important thing whenever you are above initial bankroll withdraw,this way works on your brain when you see your original bankroll and makes you bet carefully..happy winings
Quote from: maestro on Mar 08, 11:59 AM 2011
??? maui sunset why are moaning about roulette if you can play know what you doing then play there is not point to say oh there is not wining system no one can prove me wrong about roulette and so on...why someone has to prove to you that there is system or whatsoever...year and half ago i did put 1000 pounds on online casino account since then i play 3 or 4 days a week and always make 50-60 pounds up and withdraw them still doing that..still have my 1000 pounds...never play certain system just common sence...most important thing whenever you are above initial bankroll withdraw,this way works on your brain when you see your original bankroll and makes you bet carefully..happy winings
Anyone can say anything on an internet chatroom - that's easy.
What's hard is to prove something.
I maintain that my "system" is the best Roulette system I've stumbled upon - I've seen no proof that one is better than mine:
"Play Roulette as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible"
I lay claim to that winning system - anyone can prove it to themselves buy just doing that.
If someone has a more profitable system they must demo it in front of a live audience and live Roulette wheel.
It's really simple.....
yes this proves all you are not roulette player you just go for a drink,when i play i play when i drink i drink...it is this simple
Quote from: maestro on Mar 08, 01:59 PM 2011
yes this proves all you are not roulette player you just go for a drink,when i play i play when i drink i drink...it is this simple
I play Red/Black only and randomly decide to follow the last color or not.
I have not seen any proof that a more profitable system exists anywhere.
Quite frankly if anyone had such a system they would be insane to demo it for anyone - play it 24/7 and not tell anyone....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 08, 02:09 PM 2011
I play Red/Black only and randomly decide to follow the last color or not.
I have not seen any proof that a more profitable system exists anywhere.
Quite frankly if anyone had such a system they would be insane to demo it for anyone - play it 24/7 and not tell anyone....
Mauisunset there are a few methods that beat roulette overall. The problem with you is you're a closed book you arent really interested in finding out. Otherwise youd take a solid method like MATRIX VERTICAL 3 and test for YOURSELF. Instead of putting up a comical challenge that no pro will take seriously.
You anwser your own assumptions. If someone had a genuine winning method theyd never share it on a forum you cry. Its safe if you advertised it online, on TV, in every newspaper. Had aeroplanes flying with banners, WHYÂÃ,¿?
Because 99% of people are as jaded and sceptical as you, if you gave them THE HOLY GRAIL itself they wouldnt know it, appreciate it. Theyd just carry on playing the lottery dreaming of that INSTANT FORTUNE.
So you need to re-think your attitude on human nature, you're reading it completely wrong. People are lazy and greedy when it comes to gambling. Neither attributes will get you very far if you want to be a successful player.
that's right, John
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 08, 06:45 PM 2011
Mauisunset there are a few methods that beat roulette overall. The problem with you is you're a closed book you arent really interested in finding out. Otherwise youd take a solid method like MATRIX VERTICAL 3 and test for YOURSELF. Instead of putting up a comical challenge that no pro will take seriously.
You anwser your own assumptions. If someone had a genuine winning method theyd never share it on a forum you cry. Its safe if you advertised it online, on TV, in every newspaper. Had aeroplanes flying with banners, WHYÂÃ,¿?
Because 99% of people are as jaded and sceptical as you, if you gave them THE HOLY GRAIL itself they wouldnt know it, appreciate it. Theyd just carry on playing the lottery dreaming of that INSTANT FORTUNE.
So you need to re-think your attitude on human nature, you're reading it completely wrong. People are lazy and greedy when it comes to gambling. Neither attributes will get you very far if you want to be a successful player.
I've been down this exact path researching stock trading system for 20+ years - they too are all phony. I've invested lots of money and time and thought everyone else was making huge profits while I ran around buying systems and listening to "experts".
So the same old cries here I've heard hundreds/thousands of times before.
The stock market can't be forecaster but by a very simple average - the DJIA average of 12%+ compounded yearly for 120+ years. No stock system or stock guru can beat that. That is the Holy Grail for the stock market.
In the game of Roulette no one can predict the future either - not by looking at past numbers, or using any kind of crazy scheme - Roulette has not be beat in 300 years of it's history and it will be here 300 years from now. Roulette is just too simple of a game.
Money management is a totally different concept and hold some promise - but that's just a guess on my part; I've seen no MM techniques that work yet.
You guys can make all the noise you want - I know that there isn't anything to it - simple demo it in real time and you will quickly come to the same conclusion.
That's what 2.5 months at investigating Roulette has shown me - all phonies so far....
@ MauiSunset
So just to clarify...Basically you play randomly, do you?
If yes, are you in profit since you started playing roulette randomly?
If no, then how do you play?
Finally, what advice would you give to newbies based on your experience?
i wouldnt be so quick to believe maui on anything. he slags every system in vls.
the guy just wants a easey system without the work. i wouldnt give the time of day for this guy.
Quote from: esoito on Mar 08, 11:54 PM 2011
@ MauiSunset
So just to clarify...Basically you play randomly, do you?
If yes, are you in profit since you started playing roulette randomly?
If no, then how do you play?
Finally, what advice would you give to newbies based on your experience?
First, let me state that I am a Black Jack player - that's why I go to Vegas and casinos in St. Louis; I have spent many years studying it and I just like Black Jack. I play 2 hour sessions and then need to take a break.
Second, I take a 1 hour break and try some new table game; 2011 is Roulette's turn. I have spent 2.5 months so far and have yet to find anything that allows me to play more than for drinks.
In the past I play Roulette for just drinks - I play as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible; then it's back to Black Jack.
Third, Roulette is 300 years old and has not be beaten by anyone - sure there are a few stories here and there but no proof exists that Roulette can be beaten in 300 years - I have very low expectations that I can find something in 2011.
Forth, I play Roulette by simply looking at the last color, look at the second hand on my digital watch and if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.
That's all I do, I make no decisions, random luck drives my game. This is important since I have nothing to prove to myself - I just do what my watch tells me to do.
Fifth, my advice to anyone who want's it is simple - no evidence exists that Roulette can be beaten so play the way I do.
Sixth, I will spend the rest of 2011 investigating Roulette but it's so full of junk science and junk math that one should assume that everyone is full of BS and play for drinks only. Don't assume that anyone else is doing better than you are, odds are just 1% that they are - they are lying, bragging, and just blustering their claims; they are full of BS.
Seventh, bring a bankroll of 100 times table limits. Always bet 1/100 of your BR and if you lose money you must therefore sit out spins/hands. If you play $10 table mins then you bring $1,000 and each bet is 1/100 or $10 to start with. If you lose $100 then you are down to $900 and can only bet 1/100 or $9. You must skip every other bet. If you win $100, you bet $11 per bet if you can.
Personally when I'm up 25% I cash out and put that 25% away and it never is used to gamble with again. When I double my BR I put the winnings away and play very aggressive the rest of the night with the casino's money.
You must never bet more than table limits with your money - never.
Hope this helps.....
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Personally when I'm up 25% I cash out and put that 25% away and it never is used to gamble with again. When I double my BR I put the winnings away and play very aggressive the rest of the night with the casino's money.
These two sentences do not make sense.
Could U expand, and make light on them?
Do U +25% and go home, or do U go for +100%, and then spend who's money if U have put the winnings away!?
Which is it?
I do not get it Maui. Sorry. ??? ???
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 09, 12:07 AM 2011
i wouldnt be so quick to believe maui on anything. he slags every system in VLS.
the guy just wants a easey system without the work. i wouldnt give the time of day for this guy.
Point taken Darrynf, when he sobers up maybe he'll come over to the full systems section and learn something about just how beatable this game is when a good method is applied PROPERLY. There is no point trying to talk to a casual indifferent blackjack player. Just flirting with roulette for a break.
He is in the dark, whether he chooses to remain there is entirely up to him..
Quote from: chrisbis on Mar 09, 02:47 AM 2011
These two sentences do not make sense.
Could U expand, and make light on them?
Do U +25% and go home, or do U go for +100%, and then spend who's money if U have put the winnings away!?
Which is it?
I do not get it Maui. Sorry. ??? ???
Sure, this applies to Black Jack where I do just fine.
When I'm up 25% I get up from the table and cash out at the ATM - that 25% goes in my pocket and is never gambled again. I do this 3 more time and my original BR is now in my pocket and never gets gambled again.
Now I have my original BR but it's all the casino's money. I play more aggressive and use a different set of money management techniques with the casino's money.
That's just my way of gambling I've adopted over the years, partly superstition and old habits.
@ MauiSunset
These 'money management' techniques of yours get a regular airing on this thread but we never get to learn the details.
Care to share them here?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 09, 02:55 AM 2011
Point taken Darrynf, when he sobers up maybe he'll come over to the full systems section and learn something about just how beatable this game is when a good method is applied PROPERLY. There is no point trying to talk to a casual indifferent blackjack player. Just flirting with roulette for a break.
He is in the dark, whether he chooses to remain there is entirely up to him..
None of you can demonstrate you can make more money than my system of playing slowly and drinking quickly.
All talk with no proof is what many of you practice.
If that upsets you guys you have gotten away with bragging way too long without someone asking you to backup your grandiose claims which I know you can't prove in real time.
Just spend 2 hours in the live chat room with a live Roulette wheel - all I hear are excuses after excuses after excuses.....
Quote from: esoito on Mar 09, 03:03 AM 2011
@ MauiSunset
These 'money management' techniques of yours get a regular airing on this thread but we never get to learn the details.
Care to share them here?
I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.
Black Jack is a game of skill and it can't be taught. You can easily read the rules and find a playing card which I highly recommend you use - but you must play years and create your own playing card since the ones available on the internet, or bought in the Vegas stores, won't get you that far.
Let me know if I didn't answer your question.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 09, 03:12 AM 2011
I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.
Black Jack is a game of skill and it can't be taught. You can easily read the rules and find a playing card which I highly recommend you use - but you must play years and create your own playing card since the ones available on the internet, or bought in the Vegas stores, won't get you that far.
Let me know if I didn't answer your question.....
Well...no you quite obviously didn't answer my specific question about 'money management'. :(
Money management is not germane only to blackjack, of course. Its principles apply to all betting endeavours.
So the invitation to inform us about your approach to 'money management' remains open...and currently unanswered...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 09, 03:12 AM 2011
I don't know what you mean - I play for free drinks while playing Roulette.
So you are an gambling addicted alcoholic?
Quote from: esoito on Mar 09, 06:05 PM 2011
Ok; let me present my money management techniques. Money management is the key control to any system you should use - or lack of system. It's just common sense and I will just discuss betting mechanics and not Money Management Systems.
bankroll (BR):
Normally we stay at Vegas 3-4 nights (Let's say 4 for now) and I decide, usually at the last second, how much to risk each night, If I'm not feeling that well, I bring a smaller amount, and if I feel great a greater amount. Let's say I feel great and want to celebrate so I allocate a nightly amount that relates to something I appreciate - like a 5-star dinner for 2 or $500 per night - I put $2k in my pocket. I never use ATMs.
Each night:
I bring ONLY each day's amount, in this case, $500 and each bet is 1/100 of the BR or $5. If I want to play $10 tables then I must bring $1,000 or $4k for the trip.
This is important since Lady Luck runs the night - if she hates you then you will lose and each bet must be 1/100 the BR. I play until 6 hours is up or I just give up.
Bets:
Each bet must be 1/100 BR so our first bet is $5, you lose and now have $495 BR. Your next bet is $4.95 - well table mins are $5 so you must sit out the next hand/spin and play the next one.
You win a few times and now have $625 - when I'm up 25% I cash out and put the $125 in my pocket and return to the table/machine and deposit $500 again. That $125 is never gambled again - I invest it.
I repeat this 3 more times until I've doubled my money and the $500 in my BR is now 100% casino money. I get aggressive now. Let's say I'm up to $600 now each bet is $6 (if allowed). If I am having a fantastic night I will take my BR, say $600 and bet $100 - I still qualify for 1/100 of the BR is left and the bet is now $100.
This is how I play Black Jack, my main game - it's a 2 hour session. I take a break and play Craps or Roulette I play for entertainment and pick the best odds bet and go with that. I will just take $50, for instance, and waste my time at either game for an hour.
Overall Recommendations:
Let Lady Luck run your game - if she likes you you can be betting each spin/hand, if she hates you you will be skipping spins/hands and sitting them out.
Replace your money with casino money and while doing this use 1/100 of BR for each bet. After you replace your money with casino money relax the rules if you are doing great.
Pay attention to winning and losing streaks - if you get hit over and over with losses get up and move to another table - don't fight it. If you have a winning streak play until you get 2 losses in a row - get up and find another table.
Anyway that's how I use Money Management with Black Jack; I doubt I'll ever get this good with Craps or Roulette - the games are just too simple and skill means nothing in Roulette and means a little more in Craps. Both pale compared to Black Jack in terms of the skill control you have over the game as it is played...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Feb 24, 12:59 PM 2011
I play Roulette as a break from playing Black Jack at casinos.
I play for 1 hour and try to get as many free drinks as possible and play as slow as possible and hope not to get too many Green "0" and "00".
I believe in the following:
1) Patterns can't be found in random numbers which forecast future outcomes
2) I believe in the Gamblers' Fallacy - the "universe" doesn't need to spin more Reds than Blacks just because the marquee shows all Blacks
3) Progressive betting is no magical answer - it is no better than flat betting
4) 100% of all the "systems" for sale are phony
5) Money management might hold a key to making Roulette profitable - I've seen no proof but that's my gut feeling
I have challenged many folks to demonstrate a 2-hour session played live, and find out just how much money can be made or lost using there system. Only one person has ever taken up my challenge and the results were a loss - but I do give credit that person who took the challenge.
That's how I look at Roulette and I'm looking at money management techniques here and elsewhere.
If I should offend your beliefs in Roulette, I apologize ahead of time. . . .
I win at roulette but for me to prove it you would have to come with me since I only play at B&M casinos.
Ron.
Lazy pessimists learn nothing. ROULETTE REQUIRES NO SKILL ??? You have much to learn...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 10, 03:24 AM 2011
Lazy pessiafter mists learn nothing. ROULETTE REQUIRES NO SKILL ??? You have much to learn...
In Roulette you place your bet(s) and that's it. In Black Jack you place your bet and that's just the beginning of a transaction that requires much skill; you can easily be faced with a dozen decisions each requiring much knowledge of statistics and a whole lot of skill.
So no, Roulette requires no skill since you only must decide which number(s) to cover and how much; a computer program could easily be substituted for the player.
thats bull shit maui, i could say the same for blackjack, no skill what so ever it how you play the game, the cards dont have a memory like roulette.
roulette is just roulette but its how we chose to play it like you chose to play blackjack and both require skill, no wonder you know nothing about roulette.
you dont want to learn nor do you care just as much as i dont care about blackjack, both games can be beaten, you just arent very good at roulette.
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 10, 04:19 PM 2011
That's bull thing maui, I could say the same for blackjack, no skill what so ever it how you play the game, the cards don't have a memory like roulette.
roulette is just roulette but its how we chose to play it like you chose to play blackjack and both require skill, no wonder you know nothing about roulette.
you don't want to learn nor do you care just as much as I don't care about blackjack, both games can be beaten, you just arent very good at roulette.
I disagree - I believe I have the most profitable Roulette system out there - the Maui Sunset Roulette system. (Truth be told I was made aware of someone throwing down $1,000 and walking around the Roulette area with the chips pretending to play but never betting and fooling the Pit Boss into giving them comp credits). They must have run into a regular Pit Boss)
Play as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible.
That's it - no one has demonstrated they have a more profitable system - no body. I don't need to demo my system since you can reproduce the results yourself at a B&M casino that has free adult beverages.
If someone can demo a profitable Roulette system in real time for a total of 300 spins then they do possess skill at Roulette.
Losing at Roulette requires no skill at all.....
"Losing at Roulette requires no skill at all....."
Good one! ;D ;D
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 10, 04:19 PM 2011
That's bull thing maui, I could say the same for blackjack, no skill what so ever it how you play the game, the cards don't have a memory like roulette.
roulette is just roulette but its how we chose to play it like you chose to play blackjack and both require skill, no wonder you know nothing about roulette.
you don't want to learn nor do you care just as much as I don't care about blackjack, both games can be beaten, you just arent very good at roulette.
Darrynf brilliant reponse I couldnt say it any better so I wont try...
I think, this topic has no objective and should be closed.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 11, 12:47 PM 2011
I think, this topic has no objective and should be closed.
Afraid of free speech?
I started this thread as a challenge that everyone has cowered away from.
If you want to admit that I'm right then I've won this debate.
Black Jack is a game of skill, you need an odds card to work from and years of experience deciding what to do after the cards are dealt. There are dozens of things you can do and skill easily shows up in making the right decision. Those little plastic cards sold in stores to help you are 10 years out of date, are wrong in many instances, and only work for the next card dealt you - if you need another card they are totally worthless. You must spend years finding this information - it's out there if you spend a year or so looking for it.
Roulette is flipping a coin - just a fancier version but exactly the same - no skill at the game is needed.
A successful betting system is a totally different thing and a computer jock could easily program a Roulette version and thus no skill is needed to place the bets. I'm not saying skill is not needed to create the gambling system, it is needed, but the mechanics of playing Roulette require no skill at all - you place your bet and it's over.
Hope that clarifies my opinion - and it's just one opinion. If you guys are scared of just one opinion you need to build skills debating....
im pretty sure my f-non system will stand 100 spins. go look at it get your numbers and try for yourself
Okay.
Just did a quick test of the f-non-system on 5 screenshots of 185 spins from smart live casino.
Beat all of them.
That’s 925 consecutive spins.
I stopped because it got boring.
Feel free to continue...
Quote from: frost on Mar 11, 02:15 PM 2011
Okay.
Just did a quick test of the f-non-system on 5 screenshots of 185 spins from smart live casino.
Beat all of them.
That’s 925 consecutive spins.
I stopped because it got boring.
Feel free to continue...
My challenge is not for me, I know Roulette can't be beaten except maybe with money management, the challenge is for other folks who believe they have broken 300 years of Roulette assaults.
I'm pretty confident that this will become the 301st year of folks fail to beat Roulette...
oh my oh my maui still moaning here..so you have skills for black jack then i think you need time to develop skills for roulette...i am sure you never play online casino simply because there are not free drinks :D :D :D happy winings
Quote from: maestro on Mar 11, 03:49 PM 2011
Oh my oh my maui still moaning here..so you have skills for black jack then I think you need time to develop skills for roulette...i am sure you never play online casino simply because there are not free drinks :D :D :D happy winings
I play 1 hour a day on the internet casinos. I also play about 1 hour a day on my Sprint Evo Android cell phone - great free Roulette, Craps, and Black Jack Apps.
I typically play 45 minutes testing new and old ideas, with play money, and 15 minutes with real money. But this is all R&D related and I play for $1 bets.
After I've tested something for thousands of bets I'll risk good money at a B&M casino.
I go back to Vegas at the end of April and by then I will have played 5,000 to 10,000 Black Jack hands perfecting my game in the last 3 months since my last visit to Vegas - all with play money and a little real money for kicks.
I don't know about you guys but I practice what I preach.
So Internet casinos have a place - as does my cell phone Apps.....
P.S.
I'm in Maui right now and we had a Tsunami last night - the condo complex warnings and Civil Defense sirens were going off all night and you could not go outside your villa until 9 am this morning - have great shots of the Tsunami waves pulling the surf out and pushing it in.
The first 2 floors of the complex were forced to leave their villas and move to higher floors - we were at the top floor so we didn't have to move - but it was spooky waiting for a 6 ft wall of water to come roaring through sometime during the night - luckily is was smaller and no damage was done in the 8 waves that eventually came ashore.
I played at least 1,000 hands of BJ and 500 spins so far today and all night long.
I take gambling very seriously....
"I played at least 1,000 hands of BJ and 500 spins so far today and all night long.
I take gambling very seriously...."
With respect, that looks like a serious gambling problem...Even the devastation and danger of a Tsunami couldn't stop you! :-\
Quote from: esoito on Mar 11, 06:06 PM 2011
"I played at least 1,000 hands of BJ and 500 spins so far today and all night long.
I take gambling very seriously...."
With respect, that looks like a serious gambling problem...Even the devastation and danger of a Tsunami couldn't stop you! :-\
Every 45 minutes the intercom system sounded the klaxon alarm and the security office would warn us to remain in our rooms - unless you were on the 1st 4 floors then you could run for your lives.
I had nothing else to do all night long; played on the cell phone.
I really enjoy tearing out a chunk of a system and testing it to improve it or just eliminate it - goes really fast while you wait for impending doom....
P.S.
Since the Federal Government is involved with the Tsunami warning systems I wasn't worried a bit all night - the feds are the king of using Junk Science to build empires...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 11, 03:47 PM 2011
My challenge is not for me, I know Roulette can't be beaten except maybe with money management, the challenge is for other folks who believe they have broken 300 years of Roulette assaults.
I'm pretty confident that this will become the 301st year of folks fail to beat Roulette...
Mauisunset to illustrate how foolish your attitude is, you cry 301 years and roulettes still going strong. The last time I checked they still had blackjack in the casino too. Does that mean NO ONE EVER MAKES ANY PROFIT FROM IT. Does it mean you are lying to us about how good you supposedly are? I mean you should have beaten them so badly by now that they had to change the rules. Throw it out.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 11, 07:41 PM 2011
Mauisunset to illustrate how foolish your attitude is, you cry 301 years and roulettes still going strong. The last time I checked they still had blackjack in the casino too. Does that mean NO ONE EVER MAKES ANY PROFIT FROM IT. Does it mean you are lying to us about how good you supposedly are? I mean you should have beaten them so badly by now that they had to change the rules. Throw it out.
Skill makes all the difference between the two games. When I sit down at a BJ table or at the machine I always pull out my plastic coated card which has totally different tables than the ones for sale in the gift shop; 10 years of refining the game of BJ but 100% based on statistics.
Within a few hands I will be surrendering my cards instead of holding or asking for a card. I always get a kick out of the shock at the table from the other players. They probably have never surrendered and I surrender a lot. I get back half my bet to a loser of a hand. Well, within a few surrenders everyone at the table is surrendering - as they should. I do other things that shock the players but they don't use them since it's been ingrained into them not to do it.
I can't vouch for other BJ players but I know they don't have the statistical tools I bring with me nor do they practice as I do nor do they have the skills that I have developed. My money management is unique too and that represents years of research.
In Roulette there are NO tools to help you - zip, zilch, zero; you know the published odds and that's it.
Folks who claim to have beaten Roulette must use voodoo math and science in order to arrive at a winning system; I know this is all baloney.
However, money management is for real and I pay attention to folks who acknowledge Roulette can't be beaten but money management helps them win some money at the end of the night; how much they win I don't know but I'm conducting contests and trying my hardest to find these folks.
I will gladly demo my BJ skills to anyone who has winning Roulette concepts and swap strategies and techniques; we can each become more profitable at gambling. Just win my little Outback Steak House contest and we can talk....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 11, 08:15 PM 2011
Skill makes all the difference between the two games. When I sit down at a BJ table or at the machine I always pull out my plastic coated card which has totally different tables than the ones for sale in the gift shop; 10 years of refining the game of BJ but 100% based on statistics.
Within a few hands I will be surrendering my cards instead of holding or asking for a card. I always get a kick out of the shock at the table from the other players. They probably have never surrendered and I surrender a lot. I get back half my bet to a loser of a hand. Well, within a few surrenders everyone at the table is surrendering - as they should. I do other things that shock the players but they don't use them since it's been ingrained into them not to do it.
I can't vouch for other BJ players but I know they don't have the statistical tools I bring with me nor do they practice as I do nor do they have the skills that I have developed. My money management is unique too and that represents years of research.
In Roulette there are NO tools to help you - zip, zilch, zero; you know the published odds and that's it.
Folks who claim to have beaten Roulette must use voodoo math and science in order to arrive at a winning system; I know this is all baloney.
However, money management is for real and I pay attention to folks who acknowledge Roulette can't be beaten but money management helps them win some money at the end of the night; how much they win I don't know but I'm conducting contests and trying my hardest to find these folks.
I will gladly demo my BJ skills to anyone who has winning Roulette concepts and swap strategies and techniques; we can each become more profitable at gambling. Just win my little Outback Steak House contest and we can talk....
Mauisunset I knew that question would get you. And at the end of the day both games STILL EXIST IN CASINOS AND **ALWAYS WILL*
Because the people who have the neccessary Qualities to profit from them OVERALL. Will always be a very SMALL percentage. You speak of money management, of course you have to be very good with it to profit. NOBODY FLAT BETS CARD GAMES ALL NIGHT BUB.
I mean how many blackjack or poker players bet flat and make any real money? Your biggest mistake is not being able to think Away from the layout. Thats where you lose the plot.
I you stopped going on about your steak house voucher up for grabs and openned your mind for a week. I would give you a method so good. Youll be wondering why are you wasting your time PLAYING BLACKJACK.
Im serious, when you want to REALLY learn something come and talk to Johnlegend...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 12, 04:36 AM 2011
Mauisunset I knew that question would get you. And at the end of the day both games STILL EXIST IN CASINOS AND **ALWAYS WILL*
Because the people who have the necessary Qualities to profit from them OVERALL. Will always be a very SMALL percentage. You speak of money management, of course you have to be very good with it to profit. NOBODY FLAT BETS CARD GAMES ALL NIGHT BUB.
I mean how many blackjack or poker players bet flat and make any real money? Your biggest mistake is not being able to think Away from the layout. that's where you lose the plot.
I you stopped going on about your steak house voucher up for grabs and openned your mind for a week. I would give you a method so good. Youll be wondering why are you wasting your time PLAYING BLACKJACK.
I'm serious, when you want to REALLY learn something come and talk to Johnlegend...
Of course players are not limited to just flat bets - I never said they are.
What I said is that I, me, flat bet until I have more in my BR than what I brought in and I then up my bets with casino money, not my money. If you don't have a profit you have no business betting more than table minimums (or your minimums) since you are a loser.
Losers must bet table minimums until they prove they have someone else's money to risk.
As to assuming that many/most folks here are blowing smoke in my face - I play enough poker to know bluffs when they huff and puff in my face....
im pretty tired of you maui, you come on a roulette forum and tell every one it cant be beaten then you brag about beating blackjack, in my viewe both games require skill, i cant beat black jack cause i have no interest in it nor do i care but if i took the time to understand it then i could and you will proberly agree with me.
but i tried to understand roulette and sure there a lot of things that mean shit really, gamblers fallacy and law of the third, its true you cant forcast numbers just like blackjack but you can have an idea what is in the deck if you are card counting and thats a big advantage for sure, just like roulette you can have an idea what might hit and most people arnt successful nor do many systems beat roulette but there are some that are good.
you are right and its free to say what ever you want but i think you are going about it the wrong way and lets be honest maui, you have care for roulette, you havent put time in to it and you are mocking everyone cause of some voodoo shit you read, theres many ways of playing roulette and some more successful then others but just because you have never herd of someone beating roulette dosent its not true, even if someone took your challenge and won you will proberly just say its luck.
winning roulette isnt easey and if its a good system it will be hard to understand as a good system need to be complicated, there is some good systems that are easey to follow just need alot of money for bankroll but i think money management is the biggest key with any system.
the right money management can take you far, i use flat bets and progression and i do fine but i think the big successe of my system is due to money management. so stop saying shit about voodoo and ufo'f cause not every one thinks like that, its just how we play it.
you have your game and we have ours, you can either except that we are telling the truth and believe us as we believe what you are saying to be true or go away.
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And on that note I'd say this thread is pretty well played out because we're simply getting repetitions and circular arguments.
Perhaps now is the time to put the thread down as an act of kindness!
That is unless anyone posts valid reason(s) for keeping it going...
go for it, its just the same rubbish on here, no one will miss it, maui will show up else where lol.
Being realistic with any type of gambling is called awareness but daily giving so pessimistic remarks regarding roulette in a roulette forum is quite in bad taste. Such things should have no room here.
Those who say, this game is unbeatable should stay away from it.Gambling is not a very noble and essential part of our lives. By the way, for such guys I have solid proofs of daily winnings here..link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/winning-daily-with-betvoyager/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/winning-daily-with-betvoyager/)
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 12, 11:11 PM 2011
Being realistic with any type of gambling is called awareness but daily giving so pessimistic remarks regarding roulette in a roulette forum is quite in bad taste. Such things should have no room here.
Those who say, this game is unbeatable should stay away from it.Gambling is not a very noble and essential part of our lives. By the way, for such guys I have solid proofs of daily winnings here..link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/winning-daily-with-betvoyager/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/winning-daily-with-betvoyager/)
I know of no math or science that can beat Roulette. The ONLY thing left is Money Management and that's what I'm focused on and doing experiments on for the past 3 weeks. I'm using plain ol' statistics and math and I don't know if I will get anywhere but that's my focus.
300 years of Roulette standing up to hundreds of thousands of attempts to break it is a sober benchmark that has me very doubtful whether I can find something to make Roulette profitable.
But 2011 is my year to investigate Roulette and I will spend the entire year searching....
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 12, 10:35 PM 2011
I'm pretty tired of you maui, you come on a roulette forum and tell every one it can't be beaten then you brag about beating blackjack, in my viewe both games require skill, I can't beat black jack cause I have no interest in it nor do I care but if I took the time to understand it then I could and you will proberly agree with me.
but I tried to understand roulette and sure there a lot of things that mean thing really, gamblers fallacy and law of the third, its true you can't forcast numbers just like blackjack but you can have an idea what is in the deck if you are card counting and that's a big advantage for sure, just like roulette you can have an idea what might hit and most people arnt successful nor do many systems beat roulette but there are some that are good.
you are right and its free to say what ever you want but I think you are going about it the wrong way and lets be honest maui, you have care for roulette, you haven't put time in to it and you are mocking everyone cause of some voodoo thing you read, theres many ways of playing roulette and some more successful then others but just because you have never herd of someone beating roulette dosent its not true, even if someone took your challenge and won you will proberly just say its luck.
winning roulette isnt easey and if its a good system it will be hard to understand as a good system need to be complicated, there is some good systems that are easey to follow just need a lot of money for bankroll but I think money management is the biggest key with any system.
the right money management can take you far, I use flat bets and progression and I do fine but I think the big successe of my system is due to money management. so stop saying thing about voodoo and ufo'f cause not every one thinks like that, its just how we play it.
you have your game and we have ours, you can either except that we are telling the truth and believe us as we believe what you are saying to be true or go away.
Give me a break!
BJ was "broken" by card counting and the casinos caught on and installed 6-deck shoes and actively scan for card counters.
For 300 years casinos have played Roulette the same exact way - no changes have been made.
This tells me that no one has broken Roulette - it's just that simple.
The problem you guys have is that you listen to insane ideas and actually start to believe them - they don't work.
I have full faith and trust that if someone actually breaks Roulette the casinos will change the game in a heartbeat or just throw the wheels into the street and install slot machines.
My purpose here is to find an idea, rooted in reality, and work with it for the rest of the year and see where I get. More than likely I will fail - I know this.
You guys, on the other hand, assume everyone is beating Roulette and you have no luck with the crazy scheme you cooked up and believe another kook can help you.
I've only found one little tidbit that I feel might have some promise - I will work hard to perfect it and try it out; if I succeed to some extent I will demo if for you guys. If you guys can figure it out so can the casino and it will be nullified in a heart beat.
If someone can point out where skill means anything in Roulette I would soften my outlook at Roulette; I just can't find where skill means beans at this game; without skill that means that spinning the wheel 10,000 will not improve your skill at the game, statistics will take over in the long run and that's why Roulette is in casinos - the odds favor the house.
Guys, what you are attempting to do is very very hard and 99.99% of you are wrong - that's what 300 years of casinos running Roulette means - all losers in the long run...
You know one thing maui, you are quite a frustrated person. Roulette cant be beaten with any kind of mathematics and we cant predict the next outcome in any manner---These two are universal facts, but by applying certain type of progression, bet selection and shuffling, you can temporarily get benefit fom it. I agree over one thing of urs..there is no single magical formula.Indeed, roulette is all about staking smartly and exit at proper time be in profit or loss. The purpose of this forum is to bring all roulette system players together. You should invest a little time of yours in reading other parts of this forum than keeping yourself busy in the debate of who came first....egg or hen.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 13, 12:54 AM 2011
You know one thing maui, you are quite a frustrated person. Roulette can't be beaten with any kind of mathematics and we can't predict the next outcome in any manner---These two are universal facts, but by applying certain type of progression, bet selection and shuffling, you can temporarily get benefit fom it. I agree over one thing of urs..there is no single magical formula.Indeed, roulette is all about staking smartly and exit at proper time be in profit or loss. The purpose of this forum is to bring all roulette system players together. You should invest a little time of yours in reading other parts of this forum than keeping yourself busy in the debate of who came first....egg or hen.
Sounds like UFO technology to me, but I'm just one gambler trying to see if Roulette players are beating Roulette with any kind of success.
I've said it before, there are natural born gamblers, like artists, who probably do win at Roulette but they don't need any kind of system because they won't follow it anyway.
Sadly, I don't posses those gambling gifts and must hunt for a system - more than likely I will fail but I will spend a lot of time, money, and effort in this search for 2011. In 2012 I will be gone from here and you will find me in another chat room with probably the same reaction.
Hang in there guys, just 9 more months and normalcy will return....
ok maui, you are proberly right about 99%
but dont give me bull shit about ufo's, i amit my sysytem hasnt done many sessions but i really do believe it will hold in the long run, i do have a base on how i chose my numbers and money management is a big key.
not everyone will get the same results cause it changes, some people seem to think pick any random numbers and you will get the same results, who knows maybe. but i have my way, maybe thats not important at all maybe its how i manage my money.
say if you are picking 18 numbers then its a 49/49 for your number to come up and maybe with the money management i do then maybe it will give me the same results. but i dont play it like that cause i play it different and so far it works.
dosent matter what i say to you or how i do things you will be negative to roulette no matter what happens, cause you think its unbeatable, in 99% proberly. i dont know who on here is for real or lieing.
dont care really either, i know what i know and thats all that matters.
i think this thread should be shut down and you gone.
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 13, 01:20 AM 2011
Ok maui, you are proberly right about 99%
but don't give me bull thing about ufo's, I amit my sysytem hasn't done many sessions but I really do believe it will hold in the long run, I do have a base on how I chose my numbers and money management is a big key.
not everyone will get the same results cause it changes, some people seem to think pick any random numbers and you will get the same results, who knows maybe. but I have my way, maybe that's not important at all maybe its how I manage my money.
say if you are picking 18 numbers then its a 49/49 for your number to come up and maybe with the money management I do then maybe it will give me the same results. but I don't play it like that cause I play it different and so far it works.
dosent matter what I say to you or how I do things you will be negative to roulette no matter what happens, cause you think its unbeatable, in 99% proberly. I don't know who on here is for real or lieing.
don't care really either, I know what I know and that's all that matters.
i think this thread should be shut down and you gone.
It took me 20 years to find a stock trading system and I'm only 66% accurate with it - 20 years of very hard work and 6 figures blown. But I do just fine with it.
I'm only going to spend 1 year with Roulette because I just don't see any way to beat it - if I ever do I will spend much more time on it.
I'm just one gambler with my own opinion - you might want to silence me but someone has to be asking the hard questions......
the thing is maui you arnt just giving your opinions you are antaganising everyone.
its fine to give your opinion but you arent really debating in my opinion and you will be right, there will be people here who think they win but lose and for all you know i could be one but the way you say things isnt going to get you any where.
its not easey work mate, stock markets cant be forcast either, not that i can see and it took you hard work to get where you are, roulette cant be forcast either.
i think how ever you play it, its only half of it, the money management is a big thing.
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 13, 01:52 AM 2011
The thing is maui you arnt just giving your opinions you are antaganising everyone.
its fine to give your opinion but you arent really debating in my opinion and you will be right, there will be people here who think they win but lose and for all you know I could be one but the way you say things isnt going to get you any where.
its not easey work mate, stock markets can't be forcast either, not that I can see and it took you hard work to get where you are, roulette can't be forcast either.
i think how ever you play it, its only half of it, the money management is a big thing.
Money management is the only thing left once you stop using voodoo math and science. The random number output from a wheel or RNG can not be predicted; that's what existing science and math tell us. I also see nothing with ballistic nonsense - it can't help you with your next bet.
So I agree if Roulette can be beaten it will be by money management. What are the odds of this after 300 years? 1 in 1,000 probably.
That's just my opinion, others have theirs but in this debate the real, true answer is easy to learn - just play Roulette in real time with a real live wheel.
The truth is so easy to spot....
lets just agree with that then.
bye maui
There are TWO METHODS already on this forum. And one about to hit it that will humble all naysayers over the coming months. ROULETTE IS ABSOLUTELY BEATABLE. I will say this everyday until you get off your behinds do the testing and see it RIGHT BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES. If you can stay sober long enough.
MONEY MANAGEMENT IS KEY. But the most crucial element is STRIKERATE. If your method doesn't have enough strikerate even warren buffets bank balance wont help you. If you are a sloppy unfocused, undisciplined player. Warren Buffet and Bill gates fortunes wont help you. ALL 3 ESSENTIALS MUST BE IN PLACE. GOOD STRIKERATE, SUPERIOR MONEY MANAGEMENT AND DISCIPLINED MINDSET.
THERE ARE 3 METHODS I KNOW OF, that random has no anwser to. Two are already on this forum and the greatest of them all. And I mean that literally. THIS BEAST IS THE HOLY GRAIL. Make no mistake about what I am saying here. Anyone with any DEGREE of intelligence will grab TWO OF A KIND and never let it go. I wish I could say it was my brainchild. But its not. I will introduce it and acredit its founder this coming Friday.
I have never AND YOU WILL NEVER see anything better than it in relation to risk, reward. Its simply AMAZING. :o :o
Nice ;D
Look forward to it mate :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 13, 02:41 PM 2011
Nice ;D
Look forward to it mate :xd:
oh my gosh its the Twister how are you man? Yes this is very special you will never see anything better in terms of risk reward strikerate and recovery my friend stay tuned... ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 13, 03:33 PM 2011
oh my gosh its the Twister how are you man? Yes this is very special you will never see anything better in terms of risk reward strikerate and recovery my friend stay tuned... ;D
Doin ok mate thanx ;D
Im tuned !
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 13, 02:12 PM 2011
3 ESSENTIALS MUST BE IN PLACE. GOOD STRIKERATE, SUPERIOR MONEY MANAGEMENT AND DISCIPLINED MINDSET.
Spot on there. Also multiple BR's are a necessity imo .
Quote from: furple on Mar 13, 05:49 PM 2011
Spot on there. Also multiple BR's are a necessity in my opinion .
Furple normally I would agree with you, But that's what's going to blow peoples minds about TWO OF A KIND You can win a new progression/bank in less than a 100 spins. Not giiving anymore away its Different class.
"I will introduce it and acredit its founder this coming Friday."
No offence intended but why Friday? Why not sooner?
(Hopefully Victor's server doesn't melt with all the hits here on Friday! :) )
Quote from: esoito on Mar 13, 07:27 PM 2011
"I will introduce it and acredit its founder this coming Friday."
No offence intended but why Friday?
Why not sooner?
I'm building this up for reason esoito, A, I'm forging the rules to make sure its easily grasped by even the greenest newbie. And B, people have been waiting 300 odd years for a SYSTEM that could cope with the ever morphing unpredictable beast we know as RANDOM. TWO of a KIND is that system I saw this very early. If there are any casino spies on this forum they will be reporting back in a hurry. Once they realize what's coming. I'm still in shock after testing this one so forgive my seeming over exhuburance. But you will understand it all in a few weeks no naysayer will be able to brush this one aside their time is coming to an END. I hope Mauisunset is ready to eat his words and learn how wrong he is...
I am still not familiar with this "notify" feature .....I mean I am only notified if I make a post :)
Positional roulette by Jack Wise Kennedy is the holy grail.It's just a shame many people dismiss it because it looks complicated,which it isn't and because it requires lots of practise,which most people can't be bothered with.
Having done a lot of research on this method it's really hard to find many people that seem to play,but that's partly because people want to keep quiet about a method that beats the house.
However I have heard from several people who are making astonishing amounts of money from playing it and live a wonderous life that most people can only dream of.
It's all their for you folks now go and grab it :thumbsup:
Jack's work is certainly interesting.
I started to take a look at it last year and tried to figure it all out.
I think one of the reasons people drop it is because of how subjective the whole thing is.
This seems to be a common theme with more complex methods.
Things like GUT, signum, 4selecta, DNA of roulette and Jack's work do require a lot of thought and study but there are no concrete hard and fast rules which I think most people look for when they are searching for a winning method.
I thought at one point last year that I had a pretty good handle on how this whole positional roulette thing worked and was looking forward to trying it out at the casino. Anyhow, I was having a horror session playing something else one night and must have being down at least 100 units and decided to put my interpretation of positional roulette to work.
Not only did I get back all the losses but I also made a nice bit of profit as well. In a way, it felt very natural playing it. I seemed to be in rhythm with the wheel. On saying that, when you are winning, you could say that about most methods I suppose.
Maybe it is something I will get back to studying some more. I can recommend it going on my own experience with it. The good thing about it as well is that you are just betting 4/5 numbers per round. That alone keeps the bankroll in check when things are not working so well. :thumbsup:
p.s. The full system is floating around this forum somewhere in a document.
Quote from: flukey luke on Mar 14, 01:24 PM 2011
Jack's work is certainly interesting.
I started to take a look at it last year and tried to figure it all out.
I think one of the reasons people drop it is because of how subjective the whole thing is.
This seems to be a common theme with more complex methods.
Things like GUT, signum, 4selecta, DNA of roulette and Jack's work do require a lot of thought and study but there are no concrete hard and fast rules which I think most people look for when they are searching for a winning method.
I thought at one point last year that I had a pretty good handle on how this whole positional roulette thing worked and was looking forward to trying it out at the casino. Anyhow, I was having a horror session playing something else one night and must have being down at least 100 units and decided to put my interpretation of positional roulette to work.
Not only did I get back all the losses but I also made a nice bit of profit as well. In a way, it felt very natural playing it. I seemed to be in rhythm with the wheel. On saying that, when you are winning, you could say that about most methods I suppose.
Maybe it is something I will get back to studying some more. I can recommend it going on my own experience with it. The good thing about it as well is that you are just betting 4/5 numbers per round. That alone keeps the bankroll in check when things are not working so well. :thumbsup:
p.s. The full system is floating around this forum somewhere in a document.
TOO COMPLEX TO UNDERSTANDÂÃ,¿?
People thats ALL about to change, TWO OF A KIND can be grasped by a 10 year old. It is THE HOLY GRAIL for that reason aswell as its astonishing profit to loss/recovery ratio. It doesnt require a degree in math to understand it. Ive seen it All in my 20+ years experience with this game. Ive seen nothing like TWO OF A KIND. It flows with random instead of asking it to do something. You will see...
i was trying to find position roulette but found the original site.
how dose he chose his numbers to play ?
thanx a lot John, looking forward to it.
Quote from: flukey luke on Mar 14, 01:24 PM 2011
Jack's work is certainly interesting.
I started to take a look at it last year and tried to figure it all out.
I think one of the reasons people drop it is because of how subjective the whole thing is.
This seems to be a common theme with more complex methods.
Things like GUT, signum, 4selecta, DNA of roulette and Jack's work do require a lot of thought and study but there are no concrete hard and fast rules which I think most people look for when they are searching for a winning method.
I thought at one point last year that I had a pretty good handle on how this whole positional roulette thing worked and was looking forward to trying it out at the casino. Anyhow, I was having a horror session playing something else one night and must have being down at least 100 units and decided to put my interpretation of positional roulette to work.
Not only did I get back all the losses but I also made a nice bit of profit as well. In a way, it felt very natural playing it. I seemed to be in rhythm with the wheel. On saying that, when you are winning, you could say that about most methods I suppose.
Maybe it is something I will get back to studying some more. I can recommend it going on my own experience with it. The good thing about it as well is that you are just betting 4/5 numbers per round. That alone keeps the bankroll in check when things are not working so well. :thumbsup:
p.s. The full system is floating around this forum somewhere in a document.
What I like about this system is that you only need one hit in 9 spins to break even.It's very hard to lose your bankroll.
It does need a lot of practise to master and understand how it works.As I said in an earlier post I am getting their slowly I am now averaging 4 hits in 37 spins so I am very close to hitting the magical 5 hits.
I admit it's not for everyone but its certainly the best and most profitable system I have played .I will upload the pdf file for people who would like the system when I can find it!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 14, 02:38 PM 2011
TOO COMPLEX TO UNDERSTANDÂÃ,¿?
People that's ALL about to change, TWO OF A KIND can be grasped by a 10 year old. It is THE HOLY GRAIL for that reason as well as its astonishing profit to loss/recovery ratio. It doesn't require a degree in math to understand it. I've seen it All in my 20+ years experience with this game. I've seen nothing like TWO OF A KIND. It flows with random instead of asking it to do something. You will see...
Hey nice to see you again Fender.Where have you been. I thought you were maybe playing THE ZONE in the high rolling tables in Vegas and cleaning them out ;D
And now you say we have TWO OF A KIND which will have all the casino's running for cover.
Any clues to tease us before the big unveiling this Friday :embarrassed:
Listen the Zone was good but it wasn't a GRAIL. I could still make a profit with it now. The casual observer couldnt. This is why I had to go away work on some new ideas. Return with the Matrix concept which played Quad on a live wheel. Is invincible but not IMMEDIATE.
Always I have to remind myself even the members on these forums arent the most patient or persistent people on the planet.
They want winning by numbers LITERALLY. Now you will have it. If you don't see the greatness of TWO OF A KIND forget it. The game will never EVER be challenged by the mainstream. But I'm pretty sure the wise on here will get it.
Youll know within days how special this one is. CLUES? Lets just say you will NEVER see a mere 25pts risk work so well.
Sounds interesting guys - hope to see someone be the first to get my $25 prize and title "I'm for Real".
One of the things that must go through the mind of a Roulette system developer is the fact that once you create the system you must then disguise it so folks can't figure it out. By doing so your accuracy will decrease, winnings will decrease, and the amount of punishment it deals out will increase.
If someone can break Roulette the word would spread and the casinos would modify Roulette to negate the system or just throw Roulette out the door. This has not been a problem for 300 years so I doubt that the casinos would react quickly.
My suggestion to folks trying to break Roulette and then demo their system is to NOT tell anyone what the system is - that would be up to folks watching the demo to figure out and up to the developer to decide if he wants to disclose it.
So disguise your system, demo it, and then give us a while to figure out what's going on. Hopefully we can not figure it out and the developer then has a gold mine - play Roulette until your bank can't hold the money you deposit each night.
Quite frankly if we can't figure it out I have no idea why you would give it away.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 14, 06:22 PM 2011
Sounds interesting guys - hope to see someone be the first to get my $25 prize and title "I'm for Real".
One of the things that must go through the mind of a Roulette system developer is the fact that once you create the system you must then disguise it so folks can't figure it out. By doing so your accuracy will decrease, winnings will decrease, and the amount of punishment it deals out will increase.
If someone can break Roulette the word would spread and the casinos would modify Roulette to negate the system or just throw Roulette out the door. This has not been a problem for 300 years so I doubt that the casinos would react quickly.
My suggestion to folks trying to break Roulette and then demo their system is to NOT tell anyone what the system is - that would be up to folks watching the demo to figure out and up to the developer to decide if he wants to disclose it.
So disguise your system, demo it, and then give us a while to figure out what's going on. Hopefully we can not figure it out and the developer then has a gold mine - play Roulette until your bank can't hold the money you deposit each night.
Quite frankly if we can't figure it out I have no idea why you would give it away.....
Mauisunset enough of your $25 gift voucher already, if it were $250 I wouldnt be interested I make a lot more every week playing the game you think can't be beaten.
The reason ROULETTE will always be in casinos is because there will always be plenty of people who think like you. The only people who will be a little concerned will be the casino spies. But then theyll sigh a breath of relief and say something like "wait a minute, what are we worrying for? There will always be too many lazy greedy people who think like Mauisunset" Bust open the bubbly,and it will be bright lights, dancing girls, spinning wheels and cards dealt as usual. THE HUMAN FACTOR.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 14, 07:31 PM 2011
Mauisunset enough of your $25 gift voucher already, if it were $250 I wouldnt be interested I make a lot more every week playing the game you think can't be beaten.
The reason ROULETTE will always be in casinos is because there will always be plenty of people who think like you. The only people who will be a little concerned will be the casino spies. But then theyll sigh a breath of relief and say something like "wait a minute, what are we worrying for? There will always be too many lazy greedy people who think like Mauisunset" Bust open the bubbly,and it will be bright lights, dancing girls, spinning wheels and cards dealt as usual. THE HUMAN FACTOR.
Johnlegend Well Said :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 14, 07:31 PM 2011
Mauisunset enough of your $25 gift voucher already, if it were $250 I wouldnt be interested I make a lot more every week playing the game you think can't be beaten.
The reason ROULETTE will always be in casinos is because there will always be plenty of people who think like you. The only people who will be a little concerned will be the casino spies. But then theyll sigh a breath of relief and say something like "wait a minute, what are we worrying for? There will always be too many lazy greedy people who think like Mauisunset" Bust open the bubbly,and it will be bright lights, dancing girls, spinning wheels and cards dealt as usual. THE HUMAN FACTOR.
Well who else is offering money to demo a Roulette system? I am willing to pay to watch a winning Roulette system in action.
$25 is just the beginning, if I can't figure out what someone is demonstrating then I'll gladly pay for the knowledge.
I don't expect something for nothing - what, everyone else does?
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4212. msg42073#msg42073 date=1300145463
THE HUMAN FACTOR.
The human factor can only contribute so much. It can prevent you from losing your shirt, but it cannot, by itself, give you an edge.
It simply isn't enough on its own. Take away the human factor and you have a system which loses at the expected rate. Programming a computer to play your system will prove it.
But maybe I don't understand; what IS the HUMAN FACTOR, exactly?
Please give me your definition, and how it contributes to a winning system.
Thanks johnlegend.
some call it skill.... others call it luck :P
cheers
hamsup
Remember that guy that won a million or so at Monte Carlo that promised he would unvail his system and he did the answer-"I got lucky" :D :D
i keep hearing about this two of a kind, but see nothing.
how do i explain this, i think roulette needs skill and theres alot of good systems on here, like flats cwb, i dont understand it so i dont use it but it has a lot of hits and is regarded as very good, must be.
anyway i have never understood johnlegend and have given up on his threads, the zone, dosent work so i have read, i dont think i would play like that but still it look good.
i think john can put anysystem on here and there will be people that will fail, a system is half of it and money management, skill i guess in away has an affect, its proberly more commin sence then anything.
i wont be using this two of a kind system and i dout it will be reverlutionary as john put its. he has a habbit of getting excited, it might be good but if its simple it will be a dud, no system is simple, i am interested in what it is but i have douts.
i have my own system and will keep using it as it works just fine, but hey you can never have to many systems (as long as they win).
anyway it might work well for you john but it might not work for someone else.
Quote from: Mike on Mar 15, 05:42 AM 2011
The human factor can only contribute so much. It can prevent you from losing your shirt, but it cannot, by itself, give you an edge.
It simply isn't enough on its own. Take away the human factor and you have a system which loses at the expected rate. Programming a computer to play your system will prove it.
But maybe I don't understand; what IS the HUMAN FACTOR, exactly?
Please give me your definition, and how it contributes to a winning system.
Thanks johnlegend.
Mike I think you have your wires crossed I referred to the HUMAN FACTOR as the reason even a HOLY GRAIL Gift wrapped and sent to every person on the planet wouldnt spell the end of roulette in casinos. PEOPLE in general are Lazy, impatient and jaded. When anyone dares mention this game is beatable.
They will play the lottery, bingo like sheep in hope of winning an instant fortune, but putting the effort into learning and running a method that would absolutely generate profit. Would be too much like hard work.
Where the human factor CAN be linked to success with this game is, DISCIPLINED MINDSET. To run a method and stick to its rules PROPERLY. How many people can REALLY DO IT. Not many I can assure you.
i agree with you john on that.
people want something easey and expect to make a fortune, dosent work like that!
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 15, 06:47 PM 2011
I agree with you john on that.
people want something easey and expect to make a fortune, dosent work like that!
EXACTLY, That is why im humbled that we will now have a method so simple yet effective. Winning no longer looks like a class in advanced math to the casual observer. They will have simplicity and a very immediate profit generator.
john what is your method based on, e/c or inside bets?
i also remeber you saying it was another persons method, whos idea was it mate?
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 15, 07:29 PM 2011
John what is your method based on, e/c or inside bets?
i also remeber you saying it was another persons method, whos idea was it mate?
Hey nice try Darrynf Friday all will be revealed. Youll see..
i look foward to it john, but im not convinced its easey as you say.
but i still look foward to it.
john i am new at fourm and i am also looking forward to you up comming winning method. I have a question it will be a win win method ?
just getting excited
shakeel
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4212. msg42275#msg42275 date=1300228657
Mike I think you have your wires crossed I referred to the HUMAN FACTOR as the reason even a HOLY GRAIL Gift wrapped and sent to every person on the planet wouldnt spell the end of roulette in casinos. PEOPLE in general are Lazy, impatient and jaded. When anyone dares mention this game is beatable.
I agree with that, but I thought you were trying to say that doing stuff like quitting while you're ahead helps you to win.
If you don't have the self-control not to chase losses then yes, you are doomed, likewise if you have unreasonable expectations, like expecting to double your bankroll every session.
I'm sceptical of your system, but RESULTS will be the final arbiter. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 15, 06:37 PM 2011
Mike I think you have your wires crossed I referred to the HUMAN FACTOR as the reason even a HOLY GRAIL Gift wrapped and sent to every person on the planet wouldnt spell the end of roulette in casinos. PEOPLE in general are Lazy, impatient and jaded. When anyone dares mention this game is beatable.
They will play the lottery, bingo like sheep in hope of winning an instant fortune, but putting the effort into learning and running a method that would absolutely generate profit. Would be too much like hard work.
Where the human factor CAN be linked to success with this game is, DISCIPLINED MINDSET. To run a method and stick to its rules PROPERLY. How many people can REALLY DO IT. Not many I can assure you.
God love the lazy, impatient, and jaded gamblers - someone has to make sure the casinos have enough money to pay those of us who take gambling very seriously.
The 5% are self starters, risk takers, and know how to deal with success and failure. No need to ever worry about them - and they don't worry about the 95%.
As with ANY population there will be just 5% who plunder the other 95% - it's the bell shaped curve and I'm all for keeping the 95% fat, dumb, and happy.
Because we can't thrive without them......
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 16, 01:11 PM 2011
God love the lazy, impatient, and jaded gamblers - someone has to make sure the casinos have enough money to pay those of us who take gambling very seriously.
The 5% are self starters, risk takers, and know how to deal with success and failure. No need to ever worry about them - and they don't worry about the 95%.
As with ANY population there will be just 5% who plunder the other 95% - it's the bell shaped curve and I'm all for keeping the 95% fat, dumb, and happy.
Because we can't thrive without them......
One thing I've learned in life is just because someone can type out a statement like this one, doesn't mean they're a 5%er.
Quote from: GLC on Mar 16, 02:45 PM 2011
One thing I've learned in life is just because someone can type out a statement like this one, doesn't mean they're a 5%er.
You're right - in life you are in the 95% or the 5% - the problem is when folks get confused as to which they belong.
In gambling as in investing it's easy to determine which group you belong - just check your wallet.
In other parts of life folks get confused all the time and there is no way for them to realize that the 5% they think they are in is really the 95% - and the reverse is true too...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 16, 03:00 PM 2011
You're right - in life you are in the 95% or the 5% - the problem is when folks get confused as to which they belong.
In gambling as in investing it's easy to determine which group you belong - just check your wallet.
In other parts of life folks get confused all the time and there is no way for them to realize that the 5% they think they are in is really the 95% - and the reverse is true too...
Where do you get 5% from Mauisunset. Its closer to 1% And isn't likely to ever get anywhere near 5% when it comes to beating this game consistently.
The disciplined mindset required is lacking in nearly ALL human beings. :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 16, 03:11 PM 2011
Where do you get 5% from Mauisunset. Its closer to 1% And isn't likely to ever get anywhere near 5% when it comes to beating this game consistently.
The disciplined mindset required is lacking in nearly ALL human beings. :o
2 SD is 95% link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation)
95% confidence is a sure thing in statistics.
It's a safe bet that 95% of the folks lose on a consistent basis - 1% would be 3 SD and way too strict.
I agree with MauiSunset in that if you don't have a sure-fire winning system (And it is nearly impossible to find one generally--better chances for bettors that have access to forums, but still difficult), one should not play roulette with Real Money.
With that said, you can lose all the play money you want in search of the method, which is why I like systems' forums like these. I also love the enthusiasm of those like JohnLegend, Winkel & Flat Ino (who try to build winning systems) and Victor with the Forum.
If I remember correctly there was one guy who was winning huge amounts around Eurpoe by studying tens of thousands of spins on one wheel (with his computer) and betting the consistent hottest numbers.
thats nothing new.
i think i know why successful player dont bother with forums cause no one will believe you or you get people like maui, its a head ache and why bother telling anyone whos just going to accuse you of being a fake.
its not worth it.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 16, 11:55 PM 2011
I agree with MauiSunset in that if you don't have a sure-fire winning system (And it is nearly impossible to find one generally--better chances for bettors that have access to forums, but still difficult), one should not play roulette with Real Money.
With that said, you can lose all the play money you want in search of the method, which is why I like systems' forums like these. I also love the enthusiasm of those like JohnLegend, Winkel & Flat Ino (who try to build winning systems) and Victor with the Forum.
If I remember correctly there was one guy who was winning huge amounts around Eurpoe by studying tens of thousands of spins on one wheel (with his computer) and betting the consistent hottest numbers.
as i understand John, Winkel, and Flatino really make money, not just pure enthusiasm
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 17, 12:51 AM 2011
That's nothing new.
i think I know why successful player don't bother with forums cause no one will believe you or you get people like maui, its a head ache and why bother telling anyone whos just going to accuse you of being a fake.
its not worth it.
A highly successful Roulette player would not visit online Roulette chatrooms - they have nothing to prove, nothing to learn, and are too busy making a fortune.
I'm here because I don't do well at Roulette and hope to pickup a tidbit of an idea to help me build a money management system that might work.
I'm assuming that's why everyone is here - none of us do well at Roulette....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 17, 01:13 AM 2011
A highly successful Roulette player would not visit online Roulette chatrooms - they have nothing to prove, nothing to learn, and are too busy making a fortune.
I'm here because I don't do well at Roulette and hope to pickup a tidbit of an idea to help me build a money management system that might work.
I'm assuming that's why everyone is here - none of us do well at Roulette....
i am confused with your double-talk, sorry. u say u can't win roulette, then u want some idea how to win, u say that u are within tiny percentage of winners then u say u r not doing well with roulette.
i just can't understand u. if u were really looking for ways of beating roulette, u would ask certain questions about certain methods, or maybe try to test them, but in reality mostly u just argue roulette can't be beaten or state some other things which have nothing to do with trying to beat the game.
i don't mean to be rude, i just don't get it sorry. If this is your way to find out how to beat the game...i just don't know what to say.
I win daily and have lots of proofs in my section. I can not change the odds of the game but winning money is not difficult for me. Regarding being on roulette forums and chatrooms, I get good peoples here and some lasting relations also. Besides we can keep updated of new thoughts and ideas. It is a place to share ideas and informations with like minded people. If u do not feel so, you should step out of here. If roulette can not be beaten why are you wasting your precious time here. As you say that a successful player will not write here, what is your motive of being here?
@ maui
no maui thats not why everyone is here, maybe to improve, i cant speak for everyone.
im here cause i like chating and voicing my opinions, im not here to look for a system, maybe to improve but i cant seem to improve it. anyway i have my method, im just here to chat.
i dont get to play much cause im a at home dad, so i have spare time but i dont make any money atm, so i dont play much at the moment.
thats why it at 17 sessions for my system. i could practice but i dont wish to do this anymore as i know my method works and i like to share it but i think that maybe a mistake.
I'm on this forum because I want to learn and share ideas with like minded people, there are lots of methods/systems on this site that could make money sure you may need to tweak them to your on needs but what's wrong with that, we should not expect everything to be handed to us on a plate.
If you are on a forum like this you need to have an open mind if you do not then don't join, there is more than enough negative vibes in this world and we don't need any of them on this forum thank you very much!
And on a final note I have to say I find this thread counter productive, just do not see the point to it at all!
It is doing absolutely nothing to further or knowledge of the game, like I said counter productive.
Offcourse,
completely useless discussion. just igniting people around.
thats a good way of puting it malcop.
maybe johns method will do well, but i really dont see it.
i am intrigue by johns excitment over his new system and thats the only reason i come here.
couldnt care much for the rest as its to negative.
I'll recap my reasoning for being here and asking questions that upset many of you:
History:
Roulette has not been beaten in 300 years or the casinos would rip the Roulette wheels out and replace them with something else. I have faith in the casinos over anyone on an internet chatroom.
So when folks make the claim they beat Roulette all the time, or make huge winnings I just don't believe you - unless you offer proof.
Math and Science:
I've asked here and on other chatrooms for links to scientific journals that have studied Roulette and found it breakable - no links have been supplied. I've asked for links to scientific journals that have investigated random numbers and found that they are loaded with information useful for predicting the next random number - no links have been supplied.
I've asked for research, by like minded gamblers, that have tested the validity of making forecasts by observing the mechanics of the spinning wheel, the ball, and the dealer - no research seems to have been done anywhere. If this information is so valuable there should be all kinds of studies proving any of these theories correct.
My $25 Reward
I am willing to pay money, $25, to watch someone win at Roulette in either 100, 200, or 300 spins, or a max of 2, 4, or 6 hours of play, and make just $1 in winnings. So far only 1 person has taken me up on my offer and the prize is still unclaimed.
My Impressions:
Roulette is unbeatable. Folks have lucky streaks but in the long run Roulette is a loser using science. Math might beat Roulette with Money Management techniques but I have great doubts - but that's the only area I have hope for.
I've allocated 2011 to investigating Roulette and will continue looking and investigating and testing for the remainder of the year. I use Roulette as just a relief from playing Black Jack and have always played for fun with no intention of winning since I assume it is too simple of a game to find a weak spot.
Roulette Stockholm Syndrome:
The vast majority of Roulette players seem to have realized that Roulette can't be beaten with conventional math and science and thus use junk math and junk science at the foundation of their systems. These systems don't work, of course, and therefore the casinos must be cheating in all kinds of ways. These false ideas seem to attract many gamblers and with large numbers solace can be found since many gamblers seem to believe in the same ideas. All bogus.
My System:
The system I have used for years is "Play Roulette as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible". I have yet to find or observe a better Roulette system.
My Conclusions so far:
Nobody in the various chatrooms I frequent, has a winning Roulette system and is willing to claim my $25 prize and the title of "I'm a for real WINNING Roulette Player". Many are upset with me for asking tough questions that they have no answers to. Many, are wasting their time and losing money over systems they just have not tested and verified.
My gut feeling is that when I go back to Vegas in December I'll still be using my old system.....
ithere was a test done on my system.
heres the results, 115,000 in profit after 200k spins.
not bad!!
im very happy, still think my system is the best, just my opinion. the test was in vls.
my system has alot of potential, anyway back to roulette not being beaten, if thats what you believe.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 17, 07:16 AM 2011
My $25 Reward
I am willing to pay money, $25, to watch someone win at Roulette in either 100, 200, or 300 spins, or a max of 2, 4, or 6 hours of play, and make just $1 in winnings. So far only 1 person has taken me up on my offer and the prize is still unclaimed.
Well Maui, I can take the challenge. 25$ is for me 250 units and that's several sessions, as I use 0.10$ units.
You could see when I play a 2 hour session in this weekend at the evening/night, cause that's when I play. To get 25$ + the wins I make myself is very nice, just for you watching me.
I will definately make more than 1$ in 2 hours. That's 10 units, usually I win about 20-25 units in 1 hour.
So, let me know when we shall do this thing.
Hi Mauisunset
It seems to me that you are the right guy to help me. I'm been looking for a system, playing only 9 numbers at a time. Using a small progression and loose the whole time.
With all your knowledge about systems and players not winning you can tell me then where I can find this useless method. I pay you 10 x the price. If you can promise me that this is a sure losing system.
Playing only 9 numbers. Triggers when to play. using small progy. and must work on all the wheels of roulette.
Please mate help me I can't find it, you might know about it. A sure looser system.
With this system I will beat the Sh.. out of roulette and proof you wrong.
Playing the opposite of the system HAHAHAHAH
Don't be stupid. When one win at roulette you win from the other players not the house.
Any system or method or strategy will work if you know what to do and do it right. Even on bias and level wheels.
There is more to maths and roulette. Its not only 1 + 1 = 2 but a bit more and that might be the problem for you because 1 + 1 is already a BIG question for you. Will you be able to understand + / - on a number and its movement? Didn't think so.
Cheers
:-\
Quote from: Fripper on Mar 17, 08:02 AM 2011
Well Maui, I can take the challenge. 25$ is for me 250 units and that's several sessions, as I use 0.10$ units.
You could see when I play a 2 hour session in this weekend at the evening/night, cause that's when I play. To get 25$ + the wins I make myself is very nice, just for you watching me.
I will definately make more than 1$ in 2 hours. That's 10 units, usually I win about 20-25 units in 1 hour.
So, let me know when we shall do this thing.
Here's how:
This is all easier if you have 2 monitors or 2 PCs - that I can't help you with.
Step 1 - get live TV Roulette workingSimply place your mouse over the following link and right click the mouse - you will see a menu. Click "Open link in new Browser" or "Open link in new tab" - the choice is yours:
link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html (link:://:.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html)
Now click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play"
You now have a live TV Roulette wheel that goes 24/7 and just wait for the next spin. You can actually bet, with play money, which I suggest you do
You can get the last 185 spins by:
1) Click "stats" tab in lower left window
2) Click "Last 185" tab and you will see the last 185 spins
Step 2 - Get Live chatroom runningClick the "Enter Chat" tab at the left of this page
You are now live and running.
If you want to see what chats have taken place in the last few minutes type in:
/Back 200
That will give you the last 200 conversations in the last 24-hrs
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It's really easy, just notify folks when you wish to demonstrate your system and follow the instructions above.
Simple as pie....3.14159..................
Here's another live TV Roulette Table: link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (link:://:.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette)
I suggest you practice first, you can set up private rooms with a password to keep folks out.
Let me know when, I need 24 hrs notice and I may be traveling this Saturday or Sunday - I should know later today.
Best of luck.
Quote from: Twocando on Mar 17, 08:17 AM 2011
Hi Mauisunset
It seems to me that you are the right guy to help me. I'm been looking for a system, playing only 9 numbers at a time. Using a small progression and lose the whole time.
With all your knowledge about systems and players not winning you can tell me then where I can find this useless method. I pay you 10 x the price. If you can promise me that this is a sure losing system.
Playing only 9 numbers. Triggers when to play. using small progy. and must work on all the wheels of roulette.
Please mate help me I can't find it, you might know about it. A sure loser system.
With this system I will beat the Sh.. out of roulette and proof you wrong.
Playing the opposite of the system HAHAHAHAH
Don't be regular. When one win at roulette you win from the other players not the house.
Any system or method or strategy will work if you know what to do and do it right. Even on bias and level wheels.
There is more to maths and roulette. Its not only 1 + 1 = 2 but a bit more and that might be the problem for you because 1 + 1 is already a BIG question for you. Will you be able to understand + / - on a number and its movement? Didn't think so.
Cheers
:-\
What you describe is the typical system I see folks play at casinos - lots and lots of numbers covered and a winner once in a while.
Sounds like you have perfected your system and I can't offer a single suggestion.....
Quote from: Fripper on Mar 17, 08:02 AM 2011
Well Maui, I can take the challenge. 25$ is for me 250 units and that's several sessions, as I use 0.10$ units.
You could see when I play a 2 hour session in this weekend at the evening/night, cause that's when I play. To get 25$ + the wins I make myself is very nice, just for you watching me.
I will definately make more than 1$ in 2 hours. That's 10 units, usually I win about 20-25 units in 1 hour.
So, let me know when we shall do this thing.
I am out of town Saturday March 19 and will return March 20.
I am in the Central time zone in USA which is Zulu - 6 hours.
Let me know when you'd like to do this.
Thanks
Quote from: MauiSunset on Mar 18, 12:06 PM 2011
I am out of town Saturday March 19 and will return March 20.
I am in the Central time zone in USA which is Zulu - 6 hours.
Let me know when you'd like to do this.
Thanks
I saw your last message. I will look into it tomorrow when I have time, after that we should get agreed on a time to do this.
I'm in Sweden, so GMT+1.
I thought johnledgend was going to post his system here ?
don't try to run before a locomotive :wink:
or in front lol
though im not sure what you ment iggy.
dont get in the way of the ledgend lol
i dont know, just kidding
it is just a language and humour difference.
that's how they say in Russian when u r trying to speed up things which better not to. Or they sometimes say: your step is too wide, u will tear off your pants.
lol good stuff.
he just said sunday. and he said: 20 points at risk. interesting
where did he say that iggy.
it was ment to be friday. if i recall 20 points is a lot.
i dont really like this points thing, its not a stright cut, to hard to understand.
i dont see why he cant simplefie it.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical- (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-)*30-live-attack*/msg42682/#msg42682
cheers iggy, had a look.
i think its going to be like the matrix, horizontal and vertical play but i could be wrong.
not to judge till its here.
Why is JohnLegend's new system so important? There are plenty of systems on here worth evaluating.
he says it proved so far to be unbeatable
we will see.
im curious about it, i dont want to learn it as i have mine butif its any good then maybe i can apply some principals to mine.
i remember him saying it wasnt his, that he would let us know who invented it.