I've played this many times. It's my own. Improvements are welcome.
how it's played:
Street method:
1-2-3/10-11-12/19-20-21/28-29-30
any of these numbers hit back to back play all 4 streets for x spins depending on progression. Usually not more than 4 spins.
Columns 1 &2 Group A
5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
Columns 1 &3 Group B
4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
Any numbers hit back to back in a group, and play those columns. Progression 1-3-9. If you win start over waiting for new numbers. If you are playing group A and a repeat happens in group B. Switch to B. Just my two cents.
Trigger=*
17
1
0
20
23*
34*
7W
18*
6*
16W
8
21
9*
33*
28W
12
35
6
28
35
15
28(STREETS)
28(STREETS
10W
0
0
20
33
2
35
11(STREETS)
2 (STREETS)
5L
12W
15
2
0
7*
35*
11W
31
30
4
19 STREETS
11 STREETS
21W
12
3............you could play here and you would win on the 4th spin. I don't.
36
16*
5*
28W
16
28
33*
31*
2L
31W
21
15
5
15*
22*
4W
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11STREETS
12 STREETS
27L
2W
1
15
30
9
12
23*
8*
5W
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30STREETS
21STREETS
12W
13
0
27*
15*
18W
21
let me know! :thumbsup:
CD
Quote from: clothdog on May 30, 02:24 PM 2011
I've played this many times. It's my own. Improvements are welcome.
how it's played:
Street method:
1-2-3/10-11-12/19-20-21/28-29-30
any of these numbers hit back to back play all 4 streets for x spins depending on progression. Usually not more than 4 spins.
Columns 1 &2 Group A
5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
Columns 1 &3 Group B
4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
Any numbers hit back to back in a group, and play those columns. Progression 1-3-9. If you win start over waiting for new numbers. If you are playing group A and a repeat happens in group B. Switch to B. Just my two cents.
Trigger=*
17
1
0
20
23*
34*
7W
18*
6*
16W
8
21
9*
33*
28W
12
35
6
28
35
15
28(STREETS)
28(STREETS
10W
0
0
20
33
2
35
11(STREETS)
2 (STREETS)
5L
12W
15
2
0
7*
35*
11W
31
30
4
19 STREETS
11 STREETS
21W
12
3............you could play here and you would win on the 4th spin. I don't.
36
16*
5*
28W
16
28
33*
31*
2L
31W
21
15
5
15*
22*
4W
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11STREETS
12 STREETS
27L
2W
1
15
30
9
12
23*
8*
5W
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30STREETS
21STREETS
12W
13
0
27*
15*
18W
21
let me know! :thumbsup:
CD
is this for american or eruo wheel?
Warrior,
makes no difference. You can use group A or B for playing singles if you want. Include the 0 for Group B. I play one at a time if you are playing singles. If 2 numbers in a group hit within 2 spins play that group. Also if 9-18-27-36 -0 hit, you can be sure one of those will hit within 9 spins. Check it out. There is more. But I mostly play the single numbers using Group A or B. between the 3 groups one will tend to be dominant for about 8-12 spins. Watch the marquee or look at your past spins and you'll see. thanks for checking. PM me if you need help or explanation. I will gladly go over numbers if you give them to me and tell you how I would play them. Even just a few at at time to see if I would be correct.
CD :thumbsup:
Hi CD,
Here's a small sample if you don't mind posting your results for this one, just to make it crystal clear. I think I got it, but would be good to clarify.
Many thanks
31
34
7
32
11
3
5
22
11
22
4
6
16
21
2
25
9
20
14
25
27
19
25
3
36
10
21
32
12
26
24
33
35
26
3
26
32
25
26
11
31
5
33
24
11
34
17
20
30
31
26
16
4
14
36
12
27
12
10
16
23
32
12
6
21
33
34
0
30
23
31
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 06, 02:16 PM 2011
Warrior,
makes no difference. You can use group A or B for playing singles if you want. Include the 0 for Group B. I play one at a time if you are playing singles. If 2 numbers in a group hit within 2 spins play that group. Also if 9-18-27-36 -0 hit, you can be sure one of those will hit within 9 spins. Check it out. There is more. But I mostly play the single numbers using Group A or B. between the 3 groups one will tend to be dominant for about 8-12 spins. Watch the marquee or look at your past spins and you'll see. thanks for checking. PM me if you need help or explanation. I will gladly go over numbers if you give them to me and tell you how I would play them. Even just a few at at time to see if I would be correct.
CD :thumbsup:
did some testing on the groups a-b, i was hitting within 1 to 2 spins on all of them i will keep testing this one thanks.WARRIOR
Hi clothdog
Just looked at my last 3 game records + 13 units (20 - 30 min average game) with a couple going to progression 1 and 2, and only 2 going to 3rd progression with both winning !
Quite intersting how those numbers keep hitting within 3 spins!!
Like this a lot.
Warrior + Sherminator,
Are you using streets and columns and A/B numbers when testing, or just 1 of these?
Thanks
ok buff wizard. let's just look at 5-7-8
31
34*
7*
32W
11
3
5....remember they have to be within 2 spins...1 spin better, back to back even better
22
11
22
4
6
16*
21
2
25*
9
20
14W
25W..if we play again
27
19
25
3
36
10
21
32*
12
26*......look at the next 10 spins you would have made a killing
24
33
35W
26*
3
26*
32W
25*
26...............if you want to continue play for another spin it's optional. sometimes I do when
the group is hot.
11
31
5
33
24
11
34*
17*
20
30
31
26W
16.......again here playing another spin you win.
4
14
36
12
27
12
10
16*
23*
32W
12
6
21
33
34
0
30
23
31
once in awhile the board is not showing anything. they are all mixed up. So
I should mention a side play if you just want to play this. it can be 4-6 or 10 numbers. If anyone hits play the whole group. the 4 number group 9-18-27-36.
The six number group 9-18-19-27-29-36, the ten number group 9-10-18-19-20-27-29-30-36-0.
So let's look at that playing 10 numbers..play only 3 spins.4 numbers=9 spins, 6nos=6spins
I have made some nice change with this one.
31
34
7
32
11
3
5
22
11
22
4
6
16
21
2
25
9*
20W
14
25
27*
19W
25
3
36*
10W
21
32
12
26
24
33
35
26
3
26
32
25
26
11
31
5
33
24
11
34
17
20*
30W
31
26
16
4
14
36*
12
27W
12
10*
16L
23L
32L
12
6
21
33
34
0*
30W
23
31
OK Lets look at 4-6-9-0
31
34
7
32
11
3
5
22*
11
22*
4W
6
16
21
2
25
9
20
14
25
27
19
25
3
36
10
21
32
12
26
24*
33*
35L
26L
3L...............one thing I should mention, if a new group shows like this I switch to 5-7-8
26
32
25
26
11
31*
5
33*
24W
11
34
17
20
30
31
26
16
4*
14
36*
12
27W
12
10
16
23
32
12
6*
21
33*
34
0W
30
23
31
NOw let's look at the streets
31
34
7
32
11*
3*
5
22
11W
22
4
6
16
21*
2*
25
9
20W
14
25
27
19*
25
3*
36
10W
21
32
12
26
24
33
35
26
3
26
32
25
26
11
31
5
33
24
11
34
17
20*
30*
31L
26L
16L
4
14
36
12*
27
12*
10W
16
23
32
12*
6
21*
33
34
0
30W
23
31
Normally when I get a win I stop and wait for my next group. As you can see one group was a little more dominant. there are a few more observational tricks I use. Like when an 8-17-26-35 hits almost always another one will hit like the 9-18-27-36. If 0 hits almost guaranteed one of the other 9 numbers will hit within 4 spins.
keep testing for improvements. This is all my bservation good or bad, I can handle criticism. I hvae one more ace up my sleeve I will show you after I get some more feedback. Thanks to all.
CD :thumbsup:
Hi clothdog,
Looks interesting, but could you explain the (Whys?) for me?
Thanks.
Trigger=*
17
1
0
20
23*
34*
7W
18*
6*
16W
8
21
9*
33*
28W (why?)
12
35 = loss here?
6
28
35
15
28(STREETS)
28(STREETS
10W
0
0
20
33
2
35
11(STREETS)
2 (STREETS)
5L
12W
15
2
0
7*
35*
11W (why?)
31
30 = loss here?
4
19 STREETS
11 STREETS
21W
12
3............you could play here and you would win on the 4th spin. I don't.
36
16*
5*
28W (why?)
16 = win here?
28
33*
31*
2L
31W
21
15
5
15*
22*
4W
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11STREETS
12 STREETS
27L
2W
1
15
30
9
12
23*
8*
5W
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30STREETS
21STREETS
12W
13
0
27*
15*
18W
21
Quote from: Skakus on Jul 06, 10:10 PM 2011
Hi clothdog,
Looks interesting, but could you explain the (Whys?) for me?
Thanks.
Trigger=*
17
1
0
20
23*
34*
7W
18*
6*
16W
8
21
9*
33*
28W (why?)..you are betting col 1 &3 re read the instructions
12
35 = loss here? no play
6
28
35
15
28(STREETS)
28(STREETS
10W
0
0
20
33
2
35
11(STREETS)
2 (STREETS)
5L
12W
15
2
0
7*
35*
11W (why?)....because you are betting column 1 &2
31
30 = loss here?no
19 STREETS
11 STREETS
21W
12
3............you could play here and you would win on the 4th spin. I don't.
36
16*
5*
28W (why?)...because you are betting column 1 &2
16 = win here?..if you wer playing the single system yes
28
33*
31*
2L
31W
21
15
5
15*
22*
4W
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11STREETS
12 STREETS
27L
2W
1
15
30
9
12
23*
8*
5W
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30STREETS
21STREETS
12W
13
0
27*
15*
18W
21
Skakus,
Everything is correct. Ok..this is the column method I was showing originally, not the single method has shown to buffalowizard.
If 2 numbers show back to back in Group A bet col 1&2. If 2 numbers show back to back in group B play col 1 &3.
My street method is played by itself and do not confuse it with the groups.
CD :thumbsup:
Buffalo wizard,
I showed you my single number system even though i orginally posted this as columns and streets. You get more action playing singles. I tested my column method on 1000 spins and won 1st or 2nd progression 75-80%. only 2 went to the 4th. The streets is an entirely different system.
So you have 4 separate systems:
Street system
Column Sys. with group A & B
12 number system with Group A & B
4-6-10 number system
I have working on few a tweaks but am always interested in improvements.
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 06, 05:44 PM 2011
Hi CD,
Here's a small sample if you don't mind posting your results for this one, just to make it crystal clear. I think I got it, but would be good to clarify.
Many thanks
31
34*
7*BET COL 1 &2
32..w
11
3
5
22
11
22*
4*..BET COL 1 &3
6W
16
21
2
25
9
20
14*
25*
27
19W
25
3
36
10
21
32
12
26
24*
33*
35
26
3W
26*
32*
25W
26
11
31
5
33*
24*
11
34W
17
20
30
31
26*
16*
4W
14
36
12
27
12
10
16*
23*
32W
12
6
21
33
34
0
30
23
31
So there is the column method. 5 wins on 1st, 2 wins on 2nd 1 win on 3rd progression.
8/8 wins, 4th progression I consider a loss. I have a single column method which I am working on which is dangerously good. stay tuned. Going to the casino with big br this weekend.
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 06, 02:16 PM 2011
Warrior,
If 2 numbers in a group hit within 2 spins play that group. Correction-When playing singles, Should really be one spin or back to back. Have not thoroughly tested the 2 spin.
CD
Quote from: clothdog on May 30, 02:24 PM 2011
I've played this many times. It's my own. Improvements are welcome.
how it's played:
Street method:
1-2-3/10-11-12/19-20-21/28-29-30
any of these numbers hit back to back play all 4 streets for x spins depending on progression. Usually not more than 4 spins.
Columns 1 &2 Group A
5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
Columns 1 &3 Group B
4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
Any numbers hit back to back in a group, and play those columns. Progression 1-3-9. If you win start over waiting for new numbers. If you are playing group A and a repeat happens in group B. Switch to B. Just my two cents.
Trigger=*
17
1
0
20
23*
34*
7W
18*
6*
16W
8
21
9*
33*
28W
12
35
6
28
35
15
28(STREETS)
28(STREETS
10W
0
0
20
33
2
35
11(STREETS)
2 (STREETS)
5L
12W
15
2
0
7*
35*
11W
31
30
4
19 STREETS
11 STREETS
21W
12
3............you could play here and you would win on the 4th spin. I don't.
36
16*
5*
28W
16
28
33*
31*
2L
31W
21
15
5
15*
22*
4W
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11STREETS
12 STREETS
27L
2W
1
15
30
9
12
23*
8*
5W
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30STREETS
21STREETS
12W
13
0
27*
15*
18W
21
let me know! :thumbsup:
CD
Hi Clothdog
I tested it @ Smartlive - just columns. 29 wins @ 1 loss @ 2 game. So +3 units in profit. I would win 2 game f played 1,3,9 and 27. Maybe we should add 1 more step 2 prog?
I will test it more later today.
Thx 4 posting it.
Ok as I promised Clothdog. Once more I aplogize I didn't saw this when you posted. My mistake. It won't happen anymore. My preliminary test. I played 105 spins for your columns with 1-3-9
I was scary at begginig and was wondering why so agrresive progression. But I ended +992 and start bankrol 500 so +492 pure profit. Biggest DD 476 so -24 on And I only lost progression once. And sometimes it pass 15 spins unitl I got trigger but that doesn't matter. I ll do some tests more, but I was stunned how this baby strikes... hm..
All the best to you
Drazen
Ok second test. Starting bank 500. Ended +657 120 spins, so profit +157. Highest point +861 And I had lost progression 3 times in a row. So lowest point then was +297 so DD of -203 points. And that was at start. So that means I lost first 3 progressions in a row. Was little discouraging... But after that I got to +861 so I see some trends here... Is this your system CD with which you won good money, mentioning that in P4 thread maybe? And how are you experiences with this? Playing this for real maybe? I am testing every system on about 30x100 spins and then I make conclusions. So still testing is ahead. But I got your full attention. And i like these big numbers, but i would use maybe milder progression :)
Regards
Drazen
Thanks! I try ;D
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 07, 05:32 AM 2011
Ok second test. Starting bank 500. Ended +657 120 spins, so profit +157. Highest point +861 And I had lost progression 3 times in a row. So lowest point then was +297 so DD of -203 points. And that was at start. So that means I lost first 3 progressions in a row. Was little discouraging... But after that I got to +861 so I see some trends here... Is this your system CD with which you won good money, mentioning that in P4 thread maybe? And how are you experiences with this? Playing this for real maybe? I am testing every system on about 30x100 spins and then I make conclusions. So still testing is ahead. But I got your full attention. And I like these big numbers, but I would use maybe milder progression :)
Regards
Drazen
I look at the marquee and see how the numbers are falling. If I see 2 wins on the marquee within my 3 progression, I'm good to go. If I see a loss, meaning past 3 progressions I will wait till I see 2 wins. I always stop at 3 progression and if I lose I restart from the beginning. You can figure what would be best for you. Actually Drazen, this method of mine is fairly new. I discovered it off of my single system using the same groups.Thanks for testing. When I hit 25% of my Br won I stop. you can do this easily with this method. Yes, I have done very well,playing for real, but I will introduce how I use only 1 column. Still working on it. it should be great! I will post.
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 07, 09:56 AM 2011
I look at the marquee and see how the numbers are falling. If I see 2 wins on the marquee within my 3 progression, I'm good to go. If I see a loss, meaning past 3 progressions I will wait till I see 2 wins. I always stop at 3 progression and if I lose I restart from the beginning. You can figure what would be best for you. Actually Drazen, this method of mine is fairly new. I discovered it off of my single system using the same groups.Thanks for testing. When I hit 25% of my Br won I stop. you can do this easily with this method. Yes, I have done very well,playing for real, but I will introduce how I use only 1 column. Still working on it. it should be great! I will post.
CD :thumbsup:
It has some potential. 91 wins & 1 loss using 1,3,9,27 prog. I think that u need some trigger with that. More updates later. :)
thanks Robeenhuut. yes, but maybe when you hit 3rd progression.Start over.
I think the single column system will help. Still working on it.
CD
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 07, 05:32 AM 2011
Ok second test. Starting bank 500. Ended +657 120 spins, so profit +157. Highest point +861 And I had lost progression 3 times in a row. So lowest point then was +297 so DD of -203 points. And that was at start. So that means I lost first 3 progressions in a row. Was little discouraging... But after that I got to +861 so I see some trends here... Is this your system CD with which you won good money, mentioning that in P4 thread maybe? And how are you experiences with this? Playing this for real maybe? I am testing every system on about 30x100 spins and then I make conclusions. So still testing is ahead. But I got your full attention. And I like these big numbers, but I would use maybe milder progression :)
Regards
Drazen
Hi Drazen,
Were you only playing the columns for 120 spins? If so how did you get to +157, just asking because on the columns each win gets you +1.
In my initial tests you get around 15/20 bets per 100 spins. I haven't hit a loss yet (-26units) but went to 3rd stage a couple of times.
Still, it seems a comfortable system, and definately safe without the need for a huge br.
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 07, 01:28 PM 2011
Hi Drazen,
Were you only playing the columns for 120 spins? If so how did you get to +157, just asking because on the columns each win gets you +1.
In my initial tests you get around 15/20 bets per 100 spins. I haven't hit a loss yet (-26units) but went to 3rd stage a couple of times.
Still, it seems a comfortable system, and definately safe without the need for a huge br.
BW
I played on straight numbers of course. how this could be apllyied on columns??? Razor asked me same thing as you did btw :thumbsup:
BR
Drazen
After several minutes doubting myself and after Razor brought this to my attention, it became clear once we realised the #1 was missing from the line I agree the post explanation was misleading but I belive this is correct, if the Clothdog could confirm would be best for all. Otherwise I think Clothdog would said wait 2 columns to hit then play these 2 :D
Regards
Drazen
And dear Clothdog if i can suggest milder progression?
As we are betting 12 numbers ,after LL +1 unit on every W -1. So 1 win covers 2 losses.
Regards
Drazen
Works better L +1 unit, W -2 units.
Hermes
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 07, 01:55 PM 2011
After several minutes doubting myself and after Razor brought this to my attention, it became clear once we realised the #1 was missing from the line I agree the post explanation was misleading but I belive this is correct, if the Clothdog could confirm would be best for all. Otherwise I think Clothdog would said wait 2 columns to hit then play these 2 :D
Regards
Drazen
The way I understand it Drazen is this:
If either the numbers from A or B shows up 2 in a row, then you bet columns 1+2 or 1+3 respectively with the standard 24 number progression 1,3,9
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 07, 02:36 PM 2011
The way I understand it Drazen is this:
If either the numbers from A or B shows up 2 in a row, then you bet columns 1+2 or 1+3 respectively with the standard 24 number progression 1,3,9
BW
Well my friend, we dont have 24 numbers to bet.. 12 in A 12 in B If you dont understand put them on table and you will see why doesnt have sense to bet 2 rows. We dont have all numbers from rows to bet, why whould we bet whole rows? Right? ;)
Regards
Drazen
ok me and drazen been chatting and we feel this is very strong system so far, so to help save confusion I try to explain the rows method as best I can.
basically we spin until we get two numbers to hit one after another from eith A or B as show in the OP.
i.e 8,25 = trigger for row 1&2 (A)
if we hit great we win if we lose we start progression betting the same numbers.
now atm progression is still under debate. Personaly I use
1) Bet: $ 1 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $12
2) Bet: $ 1 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $24
3) Bet: $ 2 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $48
4) Bet: $ 3 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $84
5) Bet: $ 4 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $132
6) Bet: $ 6 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $204
7) Bet: $ 9 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $312
once we hit, we then start tracking again looking for two hit in a row on rows 1 & 3 (B)
we always bet alternate rows, don't keep betting triggers from 1 pair, ie A
bets should be ABABABA.....etc
anyways this is how I understand if i'm wrong shoot me, but been testing this way and the strike rate is very good, +500 from under 100 spins from my first test.
because strike rate is so good, both drazen_cro and hermes progression method may have merit, but I have to still personally try them so I leave this in your capable hands.
and
You're probably both right, and I'm wrong. It's just the progression clothdog uses (1,3,9)
is the one used for 24 numbers so it may be a double dozen bet.
I suppose we have to wait for CD to comeback and clarify
Anyway this baby strikes good. With good progression this can be dangerous for roulette i think :love:
Regards
Drazen
.Ok I'm Back! let me clarify. Let us put aside any single number system that I interjected and just concentrate on columns.
Group A= 5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
Group B= 4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
If 2 numbers in one group hit back to back you play that group. Do NOT mix A & B.
Example.
13..Group B
24.....Group B...now we would play col 1 &3
34...W
21
25..Group A
25... Group A..play Col 1&2
3 L
4..W
Hope this helps.
Regarding the 0 or 0/00....if that is paired with a col 3 number 6-9-15-18-24-2-7-33-36 play col 1 & 3. so the spins could be:
0
33....play col 1&3
or
24
00...play col 1 &3
The zeros can come before or after the number in Group B. If you check out the numbers from smart live that were posted in actuals. Look at the first diagram and see the wins with zero!
I will post my single number system again under new topic. Improvements are welcome as always. Also, I will post a SINGLE COLUMN system based on the groupings above when I finish testing.
Any more clarification let me know. I have made a killling with this system.
CD :thumbsup:
Agreed, this is very good, tanked with +1 W, -2 on L on RNG, but made +100 in first few bets, so I would have been long gone. going to try +1 after 2 loss - 1 after win.
would like to point out we have yet to see 10 misses in a row, so currently my progression posted above is holding well : )
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 07, 03:19 PM 2011
.Ok I'm Back! let me clarify. Let us put aside any single number system that I interjected and just concentrate on columns.
Group A= 5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
Group B= 4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
If 2 numbers in one group hit back to back you play that group. Do NOT mix A & B.
Example.
13..Group B
24.....Group B...now we would play col 1 &3
34...W
21
25..Group A
25... Group A..play Col 1&2
3 L
4..W
Hope this helps.
Regarding the 0 or 0/00....if that is paired with a col 3 number 6-9-15-18-24-2-7-33-36 play col 1 & 3. so the spins could be:
0
33....play col 1&3
or
24
00...play col 1 &3
The zeros can come before or after the number in Group B. If you check out the numbers from smart live that were posted in actuals. Look at the first diagram and see the wins with zero!
I will post my single number system again under new topic. Improvements are welcome as always. Also, I will post a SINGLE COLUMN system based on the groupings above when I finish testing.
Any more clarification let me know. I have made a killling with this system.
CD :thumbsup:
i dont understand. You said play that group and again after that to play on columns?
Regards
Drazen
well that was almost as clear as original post, lol
ok, so am i right in saying the numbers posted are just the triggers, all bets are to be on rows correct ?
Like I said Drazen,
you bet on columns 1+3 if group B hits twice in a row and columns 1+2 if group A hits twice in a row.
The numbers in A and B are simply triggers to bet on the corresponding two columns
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 07, 03:37 PM 2011
Like I said Drazen,
you bet on columns 1+3 if group B hits twice in a row and columns 1+2 if group A hits twice in a row.
The numbers in A and B are simply triggers to bet on the corresponding two columns
BW
Yes it seems so. Thank you. Anyway then i have different system :D I wont give CD full credit for that (playing on straight numbers from his groups) ;D ;D ;D ;D Just a joke :thumbsup:
BR
Drazen
Thank you Buffalowizard!
To all others like he and I said, the numbers in each group are just triggers to play the columns!
CD :thumbsup:
one more question then, do we alternate groups for triggers or just play any 2 numbers from each group that cause a trigger .
ie,
AAA = 3 bets on rows 1 & 2
or alternate trigger groups
ABA = 3 bets alternating groups ???
AAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! LoL!! OMG..i'M GOING TO PULL MY HAIR OUT!!
Buffwiz said it plain and simple.
there are no alternating bets between groups. I don't know how else to simplify this.
34
24
23....is no bet!
34
23....bet group A! which is col 1&2
36
4..BET GROUP B... which is col 1 &3 The groups are just triggers for the column bets.
HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLER CAN IT BE?
ANY TWO NUMBERS FROM ONE GROUP HIT BACK TO BACK PLAY THE COLUMNS INDICATED. DON'T MIX GROUPS!!!!!
STAY ON PROGESSION FOR 3 SPINS IF YOU LOSE 1ST OR 2ND BET
Man, if you guys don't get this you'll never get the single system.I'll kill myself before I finish all those questions! LOL!
.
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 07, 03:57 PM 2011
AAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! LoL!! OMG..i'M GOING TO PULL MY HAIR OUT!!
Buffwiz said it plain and simple.
there are no alternating bets between groups. I don't know how else to simplify this.
34
24
23....is no bet!
34
23....bet group A! which is col 1&2
36
4..BET GROUP B... which is col 1 &3 The groups are just triggers for the column bets.
HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLER CAN IT BE?
ANY TWO NUMBERS FROM ONE GROUP HIT BACK TO BACK PLAY THE COLUMNS INDICATED. DON'T MIX GROUPS!!!!!
STAY ON PROGESSION FOR 3 SPINS IF YOU LOSE 1ST OR 2ND BET
Man, if you guys don't get this you'll never get the single system.I'll kill myself before I finish all those questions! LoL!
.
CD
Sorry and thanks CD. Overloaded with so much testings today :) :-[
Regards
Drazen
Hi clothdog.
Heres results from today from 2 games on different sites.
Just playing columns, waiting for 2 numbers to hit in either group a or b, then betting that group will come in next. Progression 1, 3, 9 take loss if lose on 3rd.
Ok, +13 first game 7 winning first go. 6 winning on the second. Game lasted 1hr
+7 second game. 5 winning first go. 2 winning on the third. Game lasted 40 mins
Also i tracked ur number 6 number system. 9 18 19 27 29 36. 1st game had +6 2nd game had + 32!! Had 3 losses in all.
So far good system! Hope thats the way it should be played?
Shermantor,
you got it!
CD :thumbsup:
Cheers :twisted:
Really liking this method so far. Ill keep posting results for the columns and the 6 numbers!
Quote from: IIIRAZORIII on Jul 07, 02:48 PM 2011
ok me and drazen been chatting and we feel this is very strong system so far, so to help save confusion I try to explain the rows method as best I can.
basically we spin until we get two numbers to hit one after another from eith A or B as show in the OP.
i.e 8,25 = trigger for row 1&2 (A)
if we hit great we win if we lose we start progression betting the same numbers.
now atm progression is still under debate. Personaly I use
1) Bet: $ 1 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $12
2) Bet: $ 1 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $24
3) Bet: $ 2 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $48
4) Bet: $ 3 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 24 Bankroll Needed: $84
5) Bet: $ 4 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $132
6) Bet: $ 6 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $204
7) Bet: $ 9 on 12 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 12 Bankroll Needed: $312
once we hit, we then start tracking again looking for two hit in a row on rows 1 & 3 (B)
we always bet alternate rows, don't keep betting triggers from 1 pair, ie A
bets should be ABABABA.....etc
anyways this is how I understand if i'm wrong shoot me, but been testing this way and the strike rate is very good, +500 from under 100 spins from my first test.
because strike rate is so good, both drazen_cro and hermes progression method may have merit, but I have to still personally try them so I leave this in your capable hands.
and
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@Razor,
How's the inside bet (accidentally found) system going? How many sections have you tested so far? Is the 9 step prog still holding?
vundarosa
not sure i should post here, so if there is interest myself (or drazen who's to blame for all the misunderstanding btw lol) shall make a seperate post.
p.s currently its holding very well
Good to hear Razor. Sounds like you took a different approach which is playing single numbers. I don't understand how you bet alternate rows.But if it works for you fine or if it works out better for everyone great!
That is my other system just betting the 12 numbers. The 5-7-8 is actually for some reason very strong. That is what I play hit and run. just looking for that group with no more than 1 spin between those numbers, then bet the 12 numbers..5-7-8-14-16etc.
I just thought using the 2 columns would produce better strike rate since you are using more numbers. The 12 number has always done well for me also. I'm interested to see how Shermantor tests with my 6 numbers. 9-18-19-27-29-36.
CD :thumbsup:
Hello CD
Just one question. How many games do u typically play with this system?
I tested it more and had 28 straight wins ;D
which system? ???
CD
The one u posted here. Group A & B numbers & u bet Col 1,2 or 1,3.
my goal is to win 25% of br.
cd
well i had a go at this today only a test ,47 placed bets out of 100 spins 1= 4 progression and the rest hit with 2 to 3 spins nice method on the triggers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 08, 08:30 AM 2011
my goal is to win 25% of br.
cd
And about how much is that? What is your recommendation for Bankroll?
I tested this today whole morning and works unbelivebly well.. Thanks..
And you can maybe apply labby for double dozens and you are ready to kick some arses :)
BR
Drazen
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 08, 08:30 AM 2011
my goal is to win 25% of br.
cd
Hi CD
Did u notice that group A behaves much better than group B?. There is virtually no threat playing col 1,2 - most hits on 1 step. And u get more games in group A.
Is this yr experience 2?
I don't understand why do you play only those chosen streets? You can make also group B and C and if hit back to back play them also.
A= 1,2,3-10,11,12-19,20,21-28,29,30
B= 4,5,6-13,14,15-22,23,24-31,32,33
C= 7,8,9-16,17,18-25,26,27-34,35,36
No more discrimination and more triggers.
To the second strategy:
Why not bet 1/2 column if black shows up and 1/3 column when red shows up? More scientific. Look the table cloth (not you). I play this strategy for years and very successful.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 08, 10:02 AM 2011
I don't understand why do you play only those chosen streets? You can make also group B and C and if hit back to back play them also.
I've to agree with that
I've been testing and in 1000 spins group A was much more ahead than group B bets
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 08, 10:02 AM 2011
To the second strategy:
Why not bet 1/2 column if black shows up and 1/3 column when red shows up? More scientific. Look the table cloth (not you). I play this strategy for years and very successful.
Hermes
So you bet column 1 either red shows or black shows
Does that means that column 1 hits more than the others?
Cheers
Hermes,
that is my system. why I chose those numbers was based on thousands of numbers and observation. Go ahead and play your streets if that's what works for you. I'm not sure what you mean by betting "1/2 column if black shows up and 1/3 column when red shows up". I don't get it. Please explain.
Robeenhuut,
yes, I did notice that. Last night I was in the casino and in 30 spins believe it or not only 3 numbers of the 5-7-8 group hit. But 2 of them hit back to back and the 1st column hit on the next spin. Game over. I checked out 3 tables and the 5-7-8 was not hitting that much. Mostly 4-6-9. I did win 3x with my 6 number play when 00 hit.
Drazen,
as far as BR is concerned I have no recommendation. It's all what your comfortable with and can afford. the method hits nicely and you will recover.
CD :thumbsup:
ok, going through 6000 live spins from dublin bet and started to notice something.
i have been testing the strike rate for 1st,2nd,3rd stage of progressions and the 3rd stage is holding this back.
only got through 500 spins so far but its enough to come to this conclusion.
strike rate, 1st spin = 61
2nd = 24
3rd = 4
profit = 89
lost progressions = 6 (-156)
if we stop betting after a miss on the second progression our total loss would be -48, and profits would be 85, meaning +37 total.
as said above this is only after 500 spins so far i'll update once i'm done the full test, but currently this is winning in long run this way
one more thing this is begging for a labby progression, to be honest think its the best way to go given the high 1st spin strike rate.
personally I would use;
111111 - with dynamic progression
if lost 1st spin (2,2 = 4 units) , divide losses between remaining numbers don't add onto the end of the line;
112222
after win remove first and last as normal;
1222
when doing it like this it mean you can finish your line in same number of win, rather than adding onto the end. but its personel preferance.
betting first two spins then retracking,
need someone to check my maths here.
winnings for 6 line labby
61+24=85/6 = 14.1 completed lines
14x6 = +84 units
not sure if that's the right way to work that out, (i suck at maths rofl)
Another interesting fact,
winning strikes for A and B Groups in 500 spins
A = 43
B = 46
suprised myself cause I thought A hit a lot more, but must be messing with your head LoL.
Results from today
+6 first game playing columns. 2 wins group A. 4 wins group b. 4 wins straight up. 1 win second bet. 1 win third bet. Numbers + 24! William hill. 40 min game
+7 second game. 5 wins group A. 2 wins group b. 6 wins straight up. 1 win second. Numbers + 12. PP slingshot bout 40min game
+13 third game. 7 wins 1st bet. 6 wins on second bet. Numbers - 52 lol! PP slingshot 55 min game.
+7 fourth game. 5 wins first go. 2 wins on third bet. Numbers + 52 phew! William hill 30 min game.
So playing columns today +33 . 22 wins 1st bet. 8 wins second bet. 3 wins third bet. Only thing is with the progression could lose 1 game and only be +4 !!! Dunno if theres a better progression out there then 1 - 3 - 9??? But so far nice system!
Numbers + 36 had a bad sesh on third game!
Want to see as well the difference between an air machine (pp) and live roulette (william hill) noticed numbers won more on live roulette, while the columns was working more on air machine. Just making an observation see if it holds up!
interesting, using the trigger for streets I found betting corresponding lines rather than streets (trio)
to very effect with the system, same progression 1,3,9
lines,
1-6
10-15
19-24
28-33
works just as good as rows system on first glance
found this from glc, may be worth a look concidering the strike rate
I have found what I think is the perfect bet progression for double dozens. It requires a maximum of 404 units, but you will never lose 404 units unless you lose 12 times straight on a double dozen bet. (If 404 units is too steep for your bank, you can decrease the number of steps by 2 making 30-30 your maximum bet and only be risking 178 units. You can also play this like the leveller and when you reach your maximum bet, stay at that level until you are ahead.)
Since the odds say that we should win 2 out of 3 spins, minus zeros, losing 12 double dozen bets in a row is about the same odds as having a single dozen sleep for 12 spins in a row. I know it's possible, but so unlikely as to still leave us well ahead when it finally happens. And, who says that I'll even be playing on that table at just the time this happens.
This is based on the idea I have in my post titled "Threes Please".
It should work with any 2 dozen bet selection method with a decent hit rate. That includes all the matrix systems that bet on 2 dozens.
We are going to base this progression on winning 4 bets at a level. Here is the bet line: 1-1 2-2 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7 11-11 16-16 24-24 30-30 45-45 68-68.
I know that looks like a horrendous bet line, but it only represents 404 units and as you'll see, there are some safety brakes we can use to decrease our odds of losing at the 68-68 bet level.
The way we play this bet level is, we start by betting 1-1 on our 2 dozens. As long as we win, we continue to bet 1-1. When we lose at 1-1 we move to the 1st 2-2. If we win 2 times at 2-2, we will be up 2 units and can start over. (If you want, you can start over after winning 1 time at 2-2 because this will put you even). If you lose before winning, then you immediately move to the 2nd 2-2 bet. This bet must win 3 times to be even or 4 times to be up 2 units. You decide.
If you win 2 times and then lose at any level, do not move to the next higher level. You will be even for that level and can play again. You may have a winning streak and not need to go to the next level. As long as you win twice before a loss, you can remain at that the same level.
If you win 1 time at a level and then lose, you should go ahead and move to the next level.
Anytime you win 4 times without a loss at a level, you will be at a high water mark and can reset to 1-1.
If you win and then lose the next bet at a couple of levels, you may find yourself at a new high water mark after only 3 wins at a level.
Safety brake time. You should shoot for the 4 wins at the levels 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7. Remember that we don't need to win 4 times at the 1st 2 levels.
If you find yourself betting at level 11-11 or higher, you should move back to the left after only 2 wins. After 2 wins calculate at what level you would need to go back to in order for a 4 time win at that level to wipe out your deficit.
Example: You are at 16-16 and have won 2 times in a row and are down 27 units. Divide 27 by 4 and you get 7. Go back to level 7-7 and begin playing to win 4 times at that level which will wipe out your 27 unit deficit +1 units.
The trade-off is that if you had won 2 more times at 16-16 you would recover but since you moved back to 7-7, you must win 4 more times to recover. On the other hand if you went into another series of losses starting at 16-16 you would run the risk of hitting your maximum bet limit. At 7-7, you have a 2 level additional cushion.
Example:
-1-1 = -2
-2-2 = -6
+2+2 = -4
-2-2 = -8
-3-3 = -14
-5-5 = -24
-7-7 = -38
+11+11 = -27
-11-11 = -49
+16+16 = -33
+16+16 = -17
At this point I divide 17 by 4 and get 5 so I go back to 5-5 because 4 wins puts me up +3.
-5-5 = -27
-7-7 = -41
-11-11 = -63
+16+16= -47
+16+16= -31
At this point I divide 31 by 4 and get 8 so I go back to 8-8 even though 8-8 isn't on our progression line, we can make adjustments when needed.
+8+8 = -23
+8+8 = -15
+8+8 = -7
+8+8 = +1 Reset to 1-1.
The above series is a real series I had in my last session. Had I not dropped back to 5-5 after winning 16-16 twice, I would have lost the next 3 bets putting me at betting 45-45 which is almost maxed out and is too risky for my blood.
As it turned out, had I stayed with 16-16 the second time, I would have recovered completely in 2 more spins rather than 4.
To get 4 wins in a row with a decent double dozen system is a common occurrence.
Can you lose with this bet method? Of course. Will you lose often? No!
Is this a valid bet method? You be the judge.
Enjoy,
George
I just don't give a priority to some numbers because all have the same value in the game. If we prioritize some formations we cause imbalance.
Hermes
you say that but have you ever tryed the holy grail method method for r/b, trigger is 3rd row, when it lands you bet same colour. can't tell you why but it works very very well.
@Shermantor
"Want to see as well the difference between an air machine (pp) and live roulette (william hill) noticed numbers won more on live roulette, while the columns was working more on air machine. Just making an observation see if it holds up!"
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have a look at playing inside when any of these numbers hit and you'll see something that can be exploited into a very strong system...progression?! ??? progression?! :question: <working in circles with it>
here's the groups:
A: 5-7-8-14-16-17-23-25-26-32-34-35
B: 4-6-9-13-15-18-22-24-27-31-33-36
C:1-2-3-10-11-12-19-20-21-28-29-30
most the time they hit within 7 spins when any number from the same group shows...
vundarosa
Vunderosa,
Look at my orginal post and then down some.
that is my original single system and the 1-2-3-10-11-12etc is my street system. I posted these on VLS years ago. I already posted about all 3 groups you mentioned here! I have been playing this since 2007. You play the group when 2 numbers of the same group hit within 1 spin or back to back. The difference being , the columns are back to back hits only. Now I took an $800 br and drove it up to $4600 with this sytem playing airball. The one difference I have tried is that you don't play the last root number that hit. SO you end up playing 8 numbers. Example:
4
23
12
35...ok here is our trigger for 5-7-8. (But we leave out the root of 8-17-26-35 and play 5-14-23-32, 7-16-25-34)
I would play these 8 numbers for 5 spins. I also tried waiting 2 spins after the trigger. the jury is still out. I also tried it with leaving out the group that didn't hit which would be 7-16-25-34
I didn't want to play 12 numbers back then. Again you will find 1 group very strong, the 2nd group nopt too far behind and the 3rd group is cold. Last night the 5-7-8 were very cold and the 4-6-9 was hot and picked up some serious $$$. Good luck. I welcome any improvements.
CD :thumbsup:
BTW...that got me thinking. if I can find it, my computer crashed a few years ago and I made a column system based on every number. I'm not kidding when I say I was hitting sometimes 8-10 in row first spin! I lost it. it was my bread and butter and I haven't been able to re create it. If I can find it I will post. I would wait for 2-3 losses in a row then kick aSS!
cd :thumbsup:
Razor tell me more about the
"you say that but have you ever tried the holy grail method, method for r/b, trigger is 3rd row, when it lands you bet same color. Can't tell you why but it works very very well".
Never heard.
Thanks Hermes
ment for live play
link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/the-holy-grail!/
Razor: thanks for that progression seems a lot safer, will track my results using 1-1 then on a loss 2-2, for 2 games then back to 1-1. And so on and so forth. Cheers!!
Vundersoa: Just double checking by playing inside do u mean bet on the column numbers? And would it be 12 numbers or just the numbers in group a or b.
And clothdog heres results from 1 game today on numbers 9 18 19 27 29 36, playing william hill for 1 hour. + 78! 6 triggers 6 wins at various stages. No losses!! All i can say is so far AMAZING! Really intersting why they hit. Another thing im recording all my numbers, and earlier in your post you said u had compiled a column betting system. How did you go about doing that? Just wondering if i pick 1 number find the next 6 numbers below and see what comes up the most or something?
Oh yeah results for columns for that game !!
+ 5. Lost 1st bet. Went to 2-2 for 2 games. Won both time first go! then 3 more games at 1-1.
Groub B lost 1st bet, won on second, then three groub A's winning first bet, then groub b win first bet.
Think im on + 38 units now no loss on third. All games playing, 1-1, 2-2 2-2 3-3 yada yada progession from now on, better safe then sorry.
Good system so far clothdog on columns and numbers!!
@Shermantor
"Vundersoa: Just double checking by playing inside do you mean bet on the column numbers? And would it be 12 numbers or just the numbers in group a or b."
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Straight betting the numbers from the same group when two numbers hit back to back, as clothdog has it.
vundarosa
razor don't believe everything you hear. I tested compa's and it lost a lot.
Hermes