hi. in the last 24 hrs i got a tip from a friend. He said he has increased his bankroll 30-40% playing small units at this stage, following a very simple method. it will only work on a playtech RNG. Of course zeroes we will get from time to time. Not sure whether it will go bust, but i tried a few bets and it worked.
Step 1. Open up 2 casinos at same time - REAL MODE.
Play them against each other in a matrix of 4.
e.g. RBRR in casino 1. Casino 1 is your 'dummy'. Casino 2 is where you actually make the bets.
I used Casino Tropez vs Swiss casino(where i placed my bet).
In Casino 2, i will bet AGAINST RBRR repeating on Casino 2 at the exact same juncture. martingale progression 1,2,4,8 and stop 16 units total. Sure it is 1/16 chance again, but at exact same juncture unlikely. Likely you will exceed 16 units before going bust, so if you go bust at 16- 25 units or so + start again at 1.
Alternate strategy:
e.g. RBRRBB - 6 combinations. 1,1.5,3,5.5,10(and stop) progression (and continue if unsuccessful to the next one). total units 21 units.
here we will profit in the first 3 spin, and very unlikely to have a 6 pattern repeat again. harder to get bust and more certainty. increase progression if you want to be aggressive
So i do it in casino 1, and bet against in 2.
its RNG vs RNG
alternatively if you want to really be protective
RHOBLE - note down 6 matrix in casino 1. and bet against that in casino 2. how likely they are gonna be equal now?? hopefully if they do become equal, you will have built a safety cushion bankroll. if it becomes equal often then i'll hang up my boots.
To avoid zero - maybe spin 12 or 18 times on each casino between bets to get a few zeroes out of the way.
i report good results using this method using 6 wide matrix
e.g.
BLOBLO BHORHE
etc. and betting opposite in casino 2 using martingale progression.
I also spin 12 more times in both casinos after 1 unit win not sure whether this affects results.
so far +7-8 units.
A pattern of six EC's has 2*2*2*2*2*2 combinations
64
and that is Random Vs Random
funny you come out and say it is new...
Good Luck
Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 24, 07:20 PM 2011
A pattern of six ECs has 2*2*2*2*2*2 combinations
64
and that is Random Vs Random
funny you come out and say it is new...
Good Luck
never said new. but i use RNG vs RNG, so i am specifically targeting the software 'opening' here.
already tested good strike rate. any suggestions on progression
best is the 6 matrix with BLO this is to break up the 'streaks'. get too many repeaters on the 4 matrix
Most of the time i get 1 or 2 differences, enough to make money.
Nice idea dude - I played a 6 matrix H/l, R/B, O/E system betfair rng against europa rng. And I played continuously for 35 games - not hit and run!
It did really well....100% wins on all games. Only reached the last progression once playing a very low martingale real money.
So im up 35 units - real easy and simple....im gonna keep playing!
Quote from: Smee on Jun 24, 10:18 PM 2011
It did really well....100% wins on all games. Only reached the last progression once playing a very low martingale real money.
also follow this simple tip. If you want to avoid zeroes, make sure you spin the wheel 12 or 18 times on each RNG, sometimes can clear a few zeroes. don't know whether it will impact. sometimes you miss the zero anyway. Make sure you spin the equal number of times on both.
one other question - whenever i look at my euro. roulette, i still see numbers from the prev. session. how do you clear it?
This method is certainly random vs random and far better than other forms of fixed betselections. Although, I do not believe in using Martingale as progression. Martingale is a sure loser irrespective of betselections, in long term. It is tailor made to lose more than it would earn if you keep playing this way. Actually, this way of random betselection protects you from normal sleepers of red/black in any session but with martingale, it can be used for hit and run only. If you go to any real casino (land based) you can use it with two tables there too. I have put up this concept of playing pure random betselection with the help of a dice in my section too. We just need to work out the progression aspect.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 24, 11:57 PM 2011
We just need to work out the progression aspect.
hello. the only way this system works is martingale. this is because we are betting against a group or pattern. not 50/50 outcomes, we just want a pattern to be different. the only way to do it in one go is martingale.
if you use other slower progressions, you will lose or break even on the pattern, unless you are right at the very start, because i have seen 4/6 same letter in the pattern. Yet with martingale, i win because i have picked a couple right in the middle of the pattern.
try these :
Other than that a slower grind like
Gr8player's progression (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/msg50233/#msg50233) can work in this one, but it will take a lot longer.Also Penthouse progression link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/penthouse-progression/msg33046/#msg33046 $10, $10, $10, $20, $20, $20$30, $30, $30, $40, $40, $40, $50, $50, $50.
Martingale is an escapist way of playing. It looks very simple and powerful till it makes you lose more than you ever earned through it. You may play like 1+2+4+8=15 units and keep winning 1 unit per cycle of win till you encounter loss. You may be lucky in a session to not to find a loser but as a whole and in long run, losses are sure.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 25, 12:39 AM 2011
in long run, losses are sure.
yes true. but if you gain more than you lose...you need to clear about 20 cycle profit per session to cushion a marty loss.
Smee has done 35 games+ without loss only reaching last progression once. so if he loses with his modified marty(not too sure, what is it smee?) he is still well up. He could go another 30 games( i hope) and then its a brilliant system imo.
how about the other progressions alba. they are valid?
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 12:18 AM 2011
hello. the only way this system works is martingale. this is because we are betting against a group or pattern. not 50/50 outcomes, we just want a pattern to be different. the only way to do it in one go is martingale.
if you use other slower progressions, you will lose or break even on the pattern, unless you are right at the very start, because i have seen 4/6 same letter in the pattern. Yet with martingale, i win because i have picked a couple right in the middle of the pattern.
try these :
Other than that a slower grind like Gr8player's progression (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/msg50233/#msg50233) can work in this one, but it will take a lot longer.
Also Penthouse progression link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/penthouse-progression/msg33046/#msg33046 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/penthouse-progression/msg33046/#msg33046) $10, $10, $10, $20, $20, $20$30, $30, $30, $40, $40, $40, $50, $50, $50.
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why don't you flat bet with a stop win of +5 and stop loss of -9?! don't bet the line but bet every spin on each line.
then all you need is a 3/1 rate win rate to keep advancing and a smaller BR to play with big units
let me know how it goes
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 25, 01:21 AM 2011
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why don't you flat bet with a stop-win of +5 and stop-loss of -9?! don't bet the line but bet every spin on each line.
then all you need is a 3/1 rate win rate to keep advancing and a smaller BR to play with big units
let me know how it goes
vundarosa
in testing i found some lines with 4/6 losers(i.e. repeaters - we are betting against) only 2 winners. but overall the lines are different, and the system works so far. win rate 3/1 is that 30%?
yes we could try staged flat bet on each, but i am not in favour of this idea because of too many losers and low strike rate..and increase stages as per requirements. see monaco's thread here, looks similar
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/code-4-flat-bet/msg59768/#msg59768 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/code-4-flat-bet/msg59768/#msg59768)
It just failed the 6 step martingale progression on game 44.....so im only up 12 units total.
I think the problem with it is that it still has only a 1 in 64 chance of losing (forgetting the zero) - 1.5% chance it will lose. Even tho I was swapping EC's the odds of the 6 different EC's coming up are still the same as 6 of the same EC's coming up. I.E - might as well bet on 6 reds in a row.....same chances as H,L,O,E,R,B coming up in that order. And im sure everyone here knows 6 reds in a row isnt that uncommon....
I was trying out betting against an 8 step pattern with a normal martingale on Hi/Lo but I kept notes on what the other EC's were doing at the same time and I saw it lose 8 times over about 2000 games...the odds of that losing are 1 in 256 - 0.4%....insane odds but it still dosnt work. This is why i try to cover the zero and make the EC bets cover my losses from that one game - as in only profit from zero or remain even.
Until someone comes up with a better progression than the marty I think the only way to play this sort of anti-pattern game is as JohnLegend does.....hit and run. Which isnt ideal for me cause I want to sit here for an hour or two every night for a bit of beer money!
Can we combine each spin so it is all 3 EC's? So for example -
Spin 1 - RHO
Spin 2 - RLE
Spin 3 - RLO
Spin 4 - BLO
Spin 5 - BHE
Spin 6 - RLO
Then bet against that pattern of 6 happening? Gonna be difficult to work out as spin 1 could be BLO - you would win the B and L part but lose on the O....
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 01:23 AM 2011
in testing i found some lines with 4/6 losers(i.e. repeaters - we are betting against) only 2 winners. but overall the lines are different, and the system works so far. win rate 3/1 is that 30%?
yes we could try staged flat bet on each, but i am not in favour of this idea because of too many losers and low strike rate..and increase stages as per requirements. see monaco's thread here, looks similar
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/code-4-flat-bet/msg59768/#msg59768 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/code-4-flat-bet/msg59768/#msg59768)
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what i am saying halba is if you're up at +5, or at -9, section ended . you play 10 games and lose 4 you will still be ahead by 14units without needing a big BR. Your unit size can therefore be bigger for a more profit over time..This is what needs to be seen...how often does it lose in 10s games.
vundarosa
so has this offically gone bust Smee? hmm you got a repeater on the 45th game bad luck . on each spin is too hard to figure out Smee.
ok the strike rate was pretty good, but the bust isn;t. So maybe follow vundarosa stop profit/stop-loss tactics, but i'm not sure about the strike rate on each individual spin.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 02:21 AM 2011
so has this offically gone bust Smee? hmm you got a repeater on the 4th game bad luck . on each spin is too hard to figure out Smee.
ok the strike rate was pretty good, but the bust isn;t. So maybe follow vundarosa stop profit/stop-loss tactics
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halba, i made a mistake on the maths...you need to win 7 times out of 10 games to be in profit of +8u. 4 losses in 10 games would put you at -6u...
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 25, 02:06 AM 2011
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what i am saying halba is if you're up at +5, or at -9, section ended . you play 10 games and lose 4 you will still be ahead by 14units without needing a big BR. Your unit size can therefore be bigger for a more profit over time..This is what needs to be seen...how often does it lose in 10s games.
vundarosa
1 game played. 1 game +5.
so you need to see 10 games results. you need a lot of games to analyse, how to do. also the zero. any suggestions on it vundarosa. i have betvoyager, but their roulette wheel is very slow.
alternatively you can do it on baccarat, get one session and play it against another, same thing +5, -9.
Vunderosa or Halba.....can you please explain that progression a bit clearer? Cheers.
Quote from: Smee on Jun 25, 03:10 AM 2011
Vunderosa or Halba.....can you please explain that progression a bit clearer? Cheers.
another game played .baccarat betvoyager. i played rng versus rng. +5 target reached. highest bet = 1 unit
progression - no progression. just flat bet till +5 or -9 and finish game.
PBBPBB bet against
BPBPPP>> 4/6 correct!! +1.95
BPPBPB
PBBPBP >> wow 5/6 correct!!! +5 target reached end session.
even better results, very low house edge. i am surprised such a high % correct.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 03:20 AM 2011
BPPBPB
PBBPBP >> wow 5/6 correct!!! +5 target reached end session.
I see 6/6 correct here ???
Quote from: marivo on Jun 25, 04:00 AM 2011
I see 6/6 correct here ???
mistake, the 2nd last should be P
i'm surprised with the difference. don't know whether sustainable
never realised you could get this many right. normally when you straight flat bet you mostly lose.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 04:30 AM 2011
mistake, the 2nd last should be P
i'm surprised with the difference. don't know whether sustainable
never realised you could get this many right. normally when you straight flat bet you mostly lose.
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hehehe, i did some quick test and i saw the best way would be to flat bet. your other invention, playing Code4 in a six wide matrix also does well in flat betting
i have 15 games played with 3 losses, +43 units. Some sections ended at +10.
vundarosa,
Flat bet is the way to go. ;)
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 25, 09:42 AM 2011
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hehehe, i did some quick test and i saw the best way would be to flat bet. your other invention, playing Code4 in a six wide matrix also does well in flat betting
i have 15 games played with 3 losses, +43 units. Some sections ended at +10.
so my invention is very positive, but with your flat betting? Which casino's did you use, and what matrix, is that code 4 result?
+43 units, that's hugely impressive flat betting, no where you will get this result. are you sure that is right, because you said 10 games, only +8 units "
you need to win 7 times out of 10 games to be in profit of +8u."betting straight red/black you go easily minus.
Flat betting is OK but don't expect to win every row! You win this and lose next. Actually on ECs you get better results when you bet the same as previous row, not opposite. You can bet the whole row flat and if in minus rise next row to 2 units if lost again rise next row to 4 units and so on... Flat row progression 1-2-4-6. If total in plus reset to 1 unit.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 25, 07:03 PM 2011
Flat betting is OK but don't expect to win every row! You win this and lose next. Actually on ECs you get better results when you bet the same as previous row, not opposite. You can bet the whole row flat and if in minus rise next row to 2 units if lost again rise next row to 4 units and so on... Flat row progression 1-2-4-6. If total in plus reset to 1 unit.
Hermes
i did this yesterday and had good result. flat bet same. what is your profit target. row of 6. how to avoid the zeroes there are too many. maybe best on baccarat. best same as previous row of 6. then we can avoid zero.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 25, 05:00 PM 2011
so my invention is very positive, but with your flat betting? Which casino's did you use, and what matrix, is that code 4 result?
+43 units, that's hugely impressive flat betting, no where you will get this result. are you sure that is right, because you said 10 games, only +8 units "you need to win 7 times out of 10 games to be in profit of +8u."
betting straight red/black you go easily minus.
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Halba, i played 15 games and lost only 3. +5 is the goal, but if i see i've reached the goal in few lines, i keep pushing till i get the first loss. So i have two sections finishing at +10 and others at +8,+7 & +6
played on a 6wide matrix code4 style as you had in another thread.
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 26, 03:57 PM 2011
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Halba, i played 15 games and lost only 3. +5 is the goal, but if i see i've reached the goal in few lines, i keep pushing till i get the first loss. So i have two sections finishing at +10 and others at +8,+7 & +6
played on a 6wide matrix code4 style as you had in another thread.
vundarosa
that is a very positive result. strike rate 80%. will it hold. it only needs to hold above 65% to be good. maybe you can revise your +5 parameter, change it to +7 or +8.
loss limit - 9 units.
keep the loss limit same.
Are you simple playing one casino RNG versus another for ECs 6 wide? you can also do DCs with similar result, but you lose more with DCs(due to more units at stake)
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 26, 05:24 PM 2011
that is a very positive result. strike rate 80%. will it hold. it only needs to hold above 65% to be good. maybe you can revise your +5 parameter, change it to +7 or +8.
loss limit - 9 units.
keep the loss limit same.
Are you simple playing one casino RNG versus another for ECs 6 wide? you can also do DCs with similar result, but you lose more with DCs(due to more units at stake)
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Halba, the results i posted were for playing Doz & Col *NOT* EC and in live table.
I'm just off playing 3 more games with 2 wins and 1 loss; wins at +5&+6, loss at -9. That's +2
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 26, 07:18 PM 2011
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Halba, the results i posted were for playing Doz & Col *NOT* EC and in live table.
I'm just off playing 3 more games with 2 wins and 1 loss; wins at +5&+6, loss at -9. That's +2
vundarosa
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you know what Halba, EC might work as well.....just had a look at my games played Doz & Col, playing EC flat bet 6wide matrix RB_LH_EO_RB_LH_EO puts me at +29 in 15 games.... but some games are authentic grinders. One game, after 140 spins finished even. Average is 40 spins and you either got your +5u or lost 10u.
vundarosa
Another strategy would be if you lose flat one row bet the next row opposite strategy. e.g.. if you lost on opposite bet next row the same. Alternate the strategies the same / opposite and if you win a row play the same next row. It will lead you to bet on favorites not on losers.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 26, 09:00 PM 2011
Another strategy would be if you lose flat one row bet the next row opposite strategy. e.g.. if you lost on opposite bet next row the same. Alternate the strategies the same / opposite and if you win a row play the same next row. It will lead you to bet on favorites not on losers.
Hermes
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don't work. It actually doesn't matter much if playing same or opposite all the way from the beggining without changing. What matters is to play for small profit and quit when ahead.
vundarosa
Quote from: Smee on Jun 25, 02:01 AM 2011
Can we combine each spin so it is all 3 ECs? So for example -
Spin 1 - RHO
Spin 2 - RLE
Spin 3 - RLO
Spin 4 - BLO
Spin 5 - BHE
Spin 6 - RLO
Then bet against that pattern of 6 happening? Gonna be difficult to work out as spin 1 could be BLO - you would win the B and L part but lose on the O....
that is indeed interesting te problem is with the multiple bets at the same time givving no room for much strategy.
i tend to play every Ec with separate banks. the 6 pattern bet is very cool and even more if you play a short small mild progression like the bread winner right after you spot LLLLLLL.
it is almost unbeatable because of the odds.
2x2x2x2x2x2
1 in 64
Good Luck
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 27, 08:57 PM 2011
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don't work. It actually doesn't matter much if playing same or opposite all the way from the beggining without changing. What matters is to play for small profit and quit when ahead.
vundarosa
Hermes was trying to warn you about streaks and if you switch bets you have the chance of beating the same odds again.
The most exploitable thing is imbalance. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 27, 09:17 PM 2011
Hermes was trying to warn you about streaks and if you switch bets you have the chance of beating the same odds again.
The most exploitable thing is imbalance. :thumbsup:
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with this method, the thing that is beating the streaks is the changing from one EC to another EC.
the betting opposite or same will have little effect on streaks or chops the way the matrix is arranged for its the matrix itself that is making the streak/chops lose its power.
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 27, 11:34 PM 2011
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with this method, the thing that is beating the streaks is the changing from one EC to another EC.
the betting opposite or same will have little effect on streaks or chops the way the matrix is arranged for its the matrix itself that is making the streak/chops lose its power.
vundarosa
you can make a small profit with RHOBLE type system, provided you have good MM. but mostly it will lose in long term
There are thousands of posts in this forum and one may miss some... you should say thanks for this good idea, although it was never regarded as a new, it is new for me, so I really enjoyed it! thank you for sharing
Hi all,
Some time ago I studied these types of plays: it are sure loosers, their loosing nature is covered up via a Martingale: it will bite you, but it might take some time. And why would it work? The only reason I can think of is that the casino's use the same number streams, but that with a delay. If so, the would be plain stupid.
On the other hand, if you do not mind loosing, and you want to have a nice thrill: go ahead, I can imagine it can be fun to play like this :thumbsup:
reddwarf
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you know what Halba, EC might work as well.....just had a look at my games played Doz & Col, playing EC flat bet 6wide matrix RB_LH_EO_RB_LH_EO puts me at +29 in 15 games.... but some games are authentic grinders. One game, after 140 spins finished even. Average is 40 spins and you either got your +5u or lost 10u.
vundarosa
HI Vundarosa
could you plz explain your six wide matrix? are you flat betting the same or against the pattern?
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: catalyst on Aug 12, 08:30 AM 2011
HI Vundarosa
could you plz explain your six wide matrix? are you flat betting the same or against the pattern?
thanks
catalyst
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i was playing flat betting to +5u or -10u (thou i pushed some winning games beyond 5u as i was on winning streak), R/B-H/L-E/O-R/B-H/L-E/O. Playing against the previous line result...playing the same "should" yeld the same results....
to the point i had stopped playing I had, of 19 sections played , 5 losses, 1 even and 13 wins
vundarosa