I've figured this out myself.
What you do is record the numbers as they come on a roulette Table a print out or make on.
What you are looking for in 3rd is for a perfect pattern to appear. I look for a square, T or 2 lines ie 13, 14 15 and 22, 23 24...
2nd You GOTTA realise is the way it falls is like rain Drops... Random Drops. So the Point is on the other 3rds with out the pattern... Your say N... That PERFECT pattern WON'T come up again...
So I may put 1 chip on bottom Long row 1 4 7 10 13 ... ect Then if it's a square on 3rd Dozen 33 36 32 35
I would bet on 3 5 6 9 and the other 2nd Dozen 14 15 17 18
So again FIND your Pattern... Bet it wont' reappear in the other Dozens... Like rain Drops making perfect patterns... Don't happen twice on the other Dozens....
Another super system >:D
i have no clue what ur talking about ??? ??? ???
Only perfect explanation is missing. Please, take your time and make an example of 20 spins with explanation. Is it a diarrhea strategy?
Hermes
Well you know 1 2 3 Dozens... You make your own or print out your own roulette table.
I posted a system I made up earlier and I truely won 7 K over 2 days. Someone got upset not believe me and calling me a scam. In the past 24 Hrs I won $290 doin Dollar bets.. I don't care if no one believes me. Just saying this seems to work too.
As the Balls Drop you Start Crossing out where they Land on a piece of paper.
This is one example That won me money. I'm not giving the Order they fell... I don't know I just cross them off as they come.
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
3 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24
25 26 27
28 29 30
31 32 33
34 35 36
If you Look 22 23 24 21 27 Made a Perfect T.... Again I can do a Square 2 lines of 3... Even done a Triange.
SO NOW I REPLICATE the T on 10 11 12 9 15 and again 34 35 36 33 3.
I position the T in the Same LOCATION on the OTHER 1/3 or 2 Dozens.
So I'm basically BETTING that the PERFECT T... OR SQUARE or TRIANGE, Or 2 Lines... ( I GO FOR PERFECT PATTERNS.
Then the I DO NOT BET on the DOZEN the T has Formed and I bet on most numbers that are NOT in the T in the OTHER DOZENS... I may put $1 on 1-6 $28-38... You can Chose to progress bet on them.
I've had Great Success.
Another Example I won on again 32 33 35 36 made a sqare. So replicate the PERFECT SQUARE 20 21 23 24
and 8 9 11 12.... THERE THE NUMBERS YOU DON"T BET ON.... This Time I placed $1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 34. So if it lands on that I BREAK even. Then I put $ 14 15 17 18 AND 2 3 5 6.
So I'm breaking EVEN or WINNING $6....
Again the $1 are Ratio's you can do what you like. I recommend you can progress bet... If you BREAK EVEN Don't Progress...
Just to make sure When I get a T or Square 2 lines of 3...
When I replicate that Pattern in the EXACT SPOT on the other DOZENS...
I don't put any bets on the Dozen the T or square is...
THERE THE Numbers I'M NOT BETTING ON.
And basically saying the numbers come up like rain drops and that a perfect pattern won't happen twice...
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
3 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24
25 26 27
28 29 30
31 32 33
34 35 36
Of Course I had other numbers come out...
So the Perfect Pattern is 32 33 35 36
Replicate in other Dozens in SAME LOCATION.
Don't bet in the LAST dozen thats where the Square is.
The Replicas APPEAR in the SAME location in the Other Dozens
20 21 23 24 & 8 9 11 12 THERE THE NUMBERS YOU DON"T bet on
Again I put $1 on Ro2 1 4 7 10 ... 25 28 31 34
And put the Money on $1 (2 3 5 6) (14 15 17 18) You can progress bet but if you break even with the other one DON'T progress no need.
You can USE YOUR OWN INIATIVE if you chose the BreaK even bet or just leave it out...
You could just chose to bet 1-6 & 13-18.
There are MORE PERFECT patterns than I've stated. Again USE YOUR BRAIN.. Make sure there Perfect.
Another Example is I had a L 28 29 30
31
34
So I replicated the L in the SAME LOCATION on the OTHER Dozens.
Don't bet in the DOZEN on the PERFECT L.
When I get my win... I START FROM SCRATCH. With a NEW piece of Paper.
Again the Perfect Pattern Can be UPSIDE DOWN... Diagonal... AGAIN I HAD a TRIANGLE 10 11 12 14
So I work out how to Bet against that TRIANGLE appear in other DOzens.
YOU CAN ALTER THE DOZENS!!!!!!!..
MEANING the square could be 35 36 2 3... You just move things a bit. Like the TRI ANGLE was in Dozen 1&2
So you can have the 1st Column to be Number 4-15 instead of 1-12....
HOPE THIS IS CLEAR for ALL....
And I still Gotta SAY... How sour are PEOPLE... Why are people on this FORUM who are SOUR!!!
This Forum is for People to toss idea's around. No ones Perfect at explaining things all the time and critics... WHAT DO you have to contribute...
newlight
you are betting that the pattern will replicate on the other squares.
Is that it?
NO... I'm Saying the PATTERN Won't Replicate....
I replicate the Pattern to WORK out what numbers NOT to bet on...
Again it's like random drops... I say it's unlikely random drops will replicate...
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 29, 04:21 PM 2011
Only perfect explanation is missing. Please, take your time and make an example of 20 spins with explanation. Is it a diarrhea strategy?
Hermes
Kindly clarify that question. ADMIN
Quote from: Newlight on Jun 29, 06:59 PM 2011
NO... I'm Saying the PATTERN Won't Replicate....
I replicate the Pattern to WORK out what numbers NOT to bet on...
Again it's like random drops... I say it's unlikely random drops will replicate...
i got it newlight
Thanks for sharing.
good work
Quote from: Newlight on Jun 29, 05:47 PM 2011
And I still Gotta SAY... How sour are PEOPLE... Why are people on this FORUM who are SOUR!!!
This Forum is for People to toss ideas around. No ones Perfect at explaining things all the time and critics... WHAT DO you have to contribute...
People vary in degrees of sweetness so nothing new there! ;)
The trick is to distinguish between a deliberately negative comment versus one seeking clarification. If you're unsure it's always better to give the benefit of the doubt.
But as a relative newcomer here you need to be aware established members have been taught to be cautious (as I have been) because there are a lot of hidden agendas 'out there' that sometimes make their way 'in here'.
Mate, you've explained this perfectly well to my eyes but be
patient if others still need further examples and clarification. We don't all absorb and process information in exactly the same way or at the same rate.
So please do keep this interesting thread going!
ADMIN
15 21 another Pattern. Try and go for Bigger Patterns. If you go for a small pattern like a square use a safety
14 20 Bet if you find the place. $1 on a dozen 2 bets on 4 numbers twice...
13 19
Once you have a pattern that you're happy with and you start betting do you keep marking off the card or do you suspend marking the card until you have finished betting?
If you do keep marking the card what do you do if an even more perfect pattern shows up while your betting against the previous pattern?
If you do suspend marking the card until you're finished betting do you then start again with a fresh unmaked card?
Thanks in advance.
14 17 20 23 Was another Pattern... then I split 27-30 33-36 25-28 31-34 also split 3-6 9-12 1-4 7-10
Another Pattern I got was 13 14 16 18 12.... That Makes a X....
In Regards To the Above when I got my win, I would Start a NEW SHEET....
YOU CAN Start a NEW SHEET ANYTIME IF YOU WANT TO...
I RECOMMEND starting a new SHEET so you don't get confused.
This is ONLY my word but the last 24 hrs I made 290 on a reputable online casino. I won't Mention the name for people will accuse me of advertising for some one else.
Last Night FOR REAL 80% of the Time I would Win in the 1st Spin after the Pattern.
I was betting like so Low Like as cheap as I could. I logged on and off cashed out 4 times...
What I'm saying I was prepared to progress Bet but Never got the opportunity.
Again you can Try this on FREE Roulette Maddness on Facebook it's a app I use to Practice on and it's FREE... So again not Promoting nothing.
Quote from: Newlight on Jun 30, 02:03 AM 2011
This is ONLY my word but the last 24 hrs I made 290 on a reputable online casino. I won't Mention the name for people will accuse me of advertising for some one else.
Last Night FOR REAL 80% of the Time I would Win in the 1st Spin after the Pattern.
Its OK friend, U can mention where U played Ur game.
We know the difference between Advertising, and genuine "Information".
Cheers.
This is really interesting Newlight....but im afraid i really dont get it. Can you explain it please spin by spin?
Cheers!
Also just want to add... When I was doin Online I was betting $1 on RED AND BLACK to get the spins to get the pattern...
Got 0 twice and $2... It's up to the Moderators if they take the Post but I was Using Party Casino...
I got on to them playing Texas Holdem and I've always been able to cash out with no worries...
Party Poker.... Again if you USA you won't be able to get on and this system is based on European roulette only...
But On Party Poker if you PUT EVEN MONEY BETS and ZERO comes out YOU ONLY LOSE HALF your BET... Not all....
So....we start crossing off numbers as the ball lands on them. For example we have 6,5,4,2 and 8 crossed off - forming a + in the first dozen.
We then bet that we dont get a + in the 2nd or 3rd dozen.....but how do we actually do that?
By betting on every number except 18,17,16,14 and 20 (if we were going for the + not to happen in the 2nd dozen) ?
So we put 1 unit on every number except those 5....and one of those 5 comes up so we lose that bet. Do we then put 36 units on every number except those 5 to get our bet plus our money back as in a martingale? At the live wheels I play on they wont let any bet higher than 35 units on the single numbers so I dont know if that will work - it wont let you go to a second progression due to table limits.
I really like your idea but Im sure im missing something here. Thanks for the explanations tho!
hi newlight
its a interesting strategy from the raindrop analogy. but you have messed up with your poor explanation. please be advised to be organized in explanation. for the forum members i lay down the raindrop analogy: :twisted:
i explored the following system couple of months before. it seems to me drazen system (see the system by Drazen-co) has been reinvented with the progression. the following system was played in flatbetting.
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Clercx posted an excellent analogy concerning raindrops and probability.
Mostly concerning sections of the wheel that have failed to show.
If you compare this to rain, you can assume that both are random - but the largest dry area
will probably be receiving raindrops in the very near future since we know the eventual outcome
is complete coverage of the area (wheel).
I'm looking at it another way, although simillar.
Let's look at the 3 dozen sections in front of us at the table as 3 squares side by side (a sidewalk - for this analogy)
All three will receive raindrops randomly, but we can be almost 100% assured that all 3 will never have the same identical pattern between them.
This applies to the dozen sections when looking at the table layout in graphical layout.
Let's assume that after 37 spins we have sleepers in dozen 1 of #3, #8, #9 and #12
What are the odds that dozen 2 and dozen 3 both have those same identical sleepers in their layout ?
for dozen 2 it would be #s 15,20,21,24 and for dozen 3 #s 27,32,33,36
The odds of all three sections having the same pattern is nill in my opinion.
(I'm sure a possible "rare" event though of course)
Now let's assume we have sleepers in the dozen 1 section again of 3,8,9 and 12.
From the above we can "assume" that 15,20,21,24,27,32,33 and 36 "have" hits on them,
probably many but no doubt about average. Will these locations show a higher hit rate than
expected since their dozen 1 neighbor has these same locations as sleepers ?
Let's run off a quick test from actuals and see where the merit in this is (if any)
I chose a random s/h day, in this case Jan 1 2005
We can record the first 37 spins, and have 14 sleepers (as normal).
The sleepers on the image below are left on the layout, the numbers that hit
have been removed.
What we see is that (as expected) the pattern between all 3 dozens is different.
If we look at the corresponding numbers to the sleepers, we can get the following info :
dozen 1 sleepers :
1,2,3,6,8,11,12
the same locations in dozens 2 and 3 :
13,14,15,18,20,23,24,25,26,27,30,32,35,36
(there are 14 numbers here, during the last 37 spins they had 18 hits on them :) )
dozen 2 sleepers :
13,19,22,24
the same locations in dozens 1 and 3 :
1,7,10,12,25,31,34,36
(there are 8 numbers here, during the last 37 spins they had 8 hits on them :) )
dozen 3 sleepers :
28,34,35
the same locations in dozens 1 and 2 :
4,10,11,16,22,23
(there are 6 numbers here, during the last 37 spins they had 8 hits on them :) )
in summary to this point -
we have 14 sleepers total, 28 numbers that are corresponding to those sleepers,
and a total of 34 hits on them.
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The advantage here ?
Some people will say "so what ? of course the sleepers had 0 shows and the others had
more than average, that's common sense"
also, "what good is this info ? It's from the past and doesn't effect the future spins where
we are going to be playing"
This isn't the case in my opinion.
We can assume a lot with this game,
above we assumed that all 3 dozens wouldn't have the same pattern of sleepers. . and they
don't (and probably almost never will)
Now, we can assume the the next 37 spins will not be identical to the 37 that just happened. . .
(leaving the exact same sleepers in the exact same locations)
What does this tell us if anything ?
Let's look at the dozen with the largest number of sleepers.
This will be our base dozen.
I'll assume that during the next 37 spins there will be hits on these sleepers (somewhere)
and I don't need to know which ones or when actually.
Now, since all 3 dozens won't follow the same pattern, I can assume the the "opposite"
if these sleepers in the other 2 dozens will also show during the next 37.
This leaves us with a bet selection that is very simple.
We are going to bet on the sleepers in the dozen that had the most of them,
in this case Dozen 1
We are also going to bet in the opposite of these numbers in the other two dozens.
From this day - Jan 1 2005 it means the following :
Bets :
Dozen 1 : 1,2,3,6,8,11,12
Dozen 2 : 16,17,19,21,22
Dozen 3 : 28,29,31,33,34
17 number total flat betting $5. 00 each
On any win, we simply add to the winner $5. 00 (there's no sense in removing the bet after it wins if we believe that it will show again)
let's look at the next 37 spins in order :
19 win #1
24
3 win #1
26
15
21 win #1
31 win #1
2 win #1
24
32
25
30
35
12 wn #1
20
9
2 win #2
35
19 win #2
21 win #2
16 win #1
22 win #1
17 win #1
17 win #2
3 win #2
31 win #2
32
18
23
12 win #2
5
10
13
22 win #2
2 win #3
12 win #3
22 win #3
= end of second 37 spin cycle =
Type your title here.
+ $1,315. 00 for only 37 spins.
So far live I've had one +5K day and one +4K day of play using this approach.
Would I call it the holy grail ?
Of course not.
But a better form of bet selection that most systems use, yes.
The probability guys should be able to back up this method also,
although in the end it may fair no better than any other method of play.
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So, what does everyone think about this? ;D
THANKS
CATALYST
Very nice. :)
As you say, the odds are practically nil that the exact same sleepers will occur in the corresponding dozens over the next 37 spins. This is a fresh approach, good job!
How much testing have you done?
This is cool!
will test asap.
thx
Hi Catalyst ...
Very interesting System and clear explanation. 17 Number for 37 Spin. IMHO, there is bankroll that we should to consider to play this system.
I've been testing using live result from casinosbo.com.
I play just only on Dozen:
Bets :
Dozen 1 : 1,2,3,6,8,11,12
Dozen 2 : 16,17,19,21,22
Dozen 3 : 28,29,31,33,34
Here the result :
[reveal]
1 30 l -17
2 31 w 36
3 14 l -17
4 29 w 36
5 7 l -17
6 34 w 36
7 14 l -17
8 10 l -17
9 24 l -17
10 11 w 36
11 14 l -17
12 29 w 36
13 32 l -17
14 11 w 36
15 3 w 36
16 14 l -17
17 28 w 36
18 19 w 36
19 33 w 36
20 0 l -17
21 18 l -17
22 27 l -17
23 17 w 36
24 11 w 36
25 12 w 36
26 4 l -17
27 36 l -17
28 1 w 36
29 8 w 36
30 14 l -17
31 24 l -17
32 25 l -17
33 11 w 36
34 15 l -17
35 30 l -17
36 6 w 36
37 33 w 36
38 0 325 <---------- total win after 2nd round of 37 spins
39 28 w 36
40 30 l -17
41 35 l -17
42 6 w 36
43 23 l -17
44 7 l -17
45 36 l -17
46 27 l -17
47 27 l -17
48 9 l -17
49 10 l -17
50 19 w 36
51 34 w 36
52 16 w 36
53 13 l -17
54 23 l -17
55 11 w 36
56 11 w 36
57 26 l -17
58 17 w 36
59 22 w 36
60 27 l -17
61 15 l -17
62 28 w 36
63 18 l -17
64 35 l -17
65 22 w 36
66 36 l -17
67 25 l -17
68 36 l -17
69 5 l -17
70 15 l -17
71 19 w 36
72 19 w 36
73 10 l -17
74 5 l -17
75 8 w 36
76 14 113 <---------- total win after 2nd round of 37 spins[/reveal]
This is great but with considering the bankroll :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hi catalyst and thanks for sharing, it's a nice idea and I like it already.
Testing is needed as with everything but shouldn't the method be posted in it's own thread?
Cheers
As I have always said.....this is EVENT betting and I love it. Event betting has little to do with the actual numbers, per say.
Ken
OK, it is playable this way but much finer approach is with the original raindrop strategy mapping on wheel. Why mess with this mimic incomplete strategy when there is one already better suited?
Finally somebody explained it properly.
Thanks Hermes
ok...now its making sense!
So we have 37 spins, find the dozen with the most sleepers and bet them, and also bet the opposite of those sleepers on the other 2 dozens. We flat bet those same numbers for 37 spins - is this correct?
Wouldnt this be difficult to play anything but RNG? You would have approximately 25 seconds after the 37th spin to work out the bets and place them on the board....
So I tried this on RNG and after the 37 spins I only had 2 sleepers in doz 1, 3 in doz 2 and 3 in doz 3.
That means I bet on 3 numbers in doz 2 or 3, i picked 2 - the sleepers - and 9 numbers in doz 1 and 3. I guess its correct as per the system but the bet selection isnt quite what was in the example.
I just played 5 games RNG real money.
As long as the rules I posted above are the correct system -
Game 1 + 50 units
Game 2 + 159 units
Game 3 - 54 units
Game 4 + 160 units
Game 5 - 124 units
Overall tho up 191 units in 185 spins. Not too bad i guess - but it still kinda seems as tho im placing the chips on random numbers....Ill give it another 5 games tomorrow and post results.
i paper-tested this on 4 different sessions (3 smartlivecasino live dealer, 1 random.org) - i tried to do it exactly as per the original instructions by clercx, using 5u as base bet, adding 5u to a hit number.
i had 1 winning session (+400u) & 3 losing ones (-520u, -1245u, -420u)
i also tried just flat-betting, 3 sessions ended in the minus, 1 positive.
I would say though that all sessions fluctuated about 3-5 steps either way - all 4 were in the positive at some point - so it might be worthwhile applying some kind of parameters along the lines of, if 3 or 4 steps up, quit, if 2 or 3 steps down, aim to break even or 1 step up.. doing it this way, 1u flat betting only, could’ve come out with 142u profit in 34 spins total across all 4 sessions.
'On any win, we simply add to the winner $5. 00 (there's no sense in removing the bet after it wins if we believe that it will show again)'
a little modification is needed. do not add to the winner any extra.
hi Hermes the great,
original raindrop strategy require long negative progression. but much easier to play on the airball machine.
thanks
catalyst
Thanks for the promotion! Testing Raindrop long time ago I won 77 sessions in row! Yes, it is easy to manage online.
Cheers Hermes
Played another 5 games, again real money but RNG due to time factor.
Game 1 - 36 units
Game 2 - 54 units
Game 3 + 54 units
Game 4 - 32 units
Game 5 - 74 units
Overall im still up 49 units but I dont think this system is for me....its kinda all over the place. Streaks of wins, streaks of losses - its not consistant enough for me.
Might as well flatbet red for 37 spins. I think the end result would be the same. Afterall, this method is flatbetting roughly half the board.
I think the RNGs are not for you smee. You are allergic to RNGs. Change the wheel for real. Even airball is only condom help. Why wasting time with nonsense? Guys who use RNGs and airball grow up, please. Get a serious about gambling.
Hermes
Yeah i know about RNG and I dont totally trust them. However I wouldnt be able to work out the bet locations and also place them within 25 seconds on a live wheel.
Also, the minimum bet on a live wheel is 10 times the amount on RNG - I didnt want to lose my entire bankroll to a system Im not too familiar with but i dont mind losing a 10th of it.
Im quite keen to see some results of live wheels tho. If it works out I would definately revisit this system.
At Smart Live Casino you have 1 minute for betting decision. Much better than Dublinbet. About the bankroll you need money to make money. Old Jewish proverb: money makes money. Most gambler lose because they have not enough bankroll for the games.
Hermes
Better than DublinBet?
Here is what I do......I have written down the hours (according to my time zone) of when its busy and when its dead. When its busy there, you get plenty of time to calculate and lay down bets. Different betting methods should cordinate with WHEN its busy/slow at DublinBet (or any casino).
I'm this organized and I only bet with FUN TOKENS. :o
Ken
Hello NewLight......
Really like this method......
Can you share your records with us for all the games youve played?
Quote from: Newlight on Jun 29, 05:45 PM 2011
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
3 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24
25 26 27
28 29 30
31 32 33
34 35 36
Of Course I had other numbers come out...
So the Perfect Pattern is 32 33 35 36
Replicate in other Dozens in SAME LOCATION.
Don't bet in the LAST dozen that's where the Square is.
The Replicas APPEAR in the SAME location in the Other Dozens
20 21 23 24 & 8 9 11 12 THERE THE NUMBERS YOU DON"T bet on
Again I put $1 on Ro2 1 4 7 10 ... 25 28 31 34
And put the Money on $1 (2 3 5 6) (14 15 17 18) You can progress bet but if you break even with the other one DON'T progress no need.
You can USE YOUR OWN INIATIVE if you chose the BreaK even bet or just leave it out...
You could just chose to bet 1-6 & 13-18.
There are MORE PERFECT patterns than I've stated. Again USE YOUR BRAIN.. Make sure there Perfect.
Another Example is I had a L 28 29 30
31
34
So I replicated the L in the SAME LOCATION on the OTHER Dozens.
Don't bet in the DOZEN on the PERFECT L.
When I get my win... I START FROM SCRATCH. With a NEW piece of Paper.
Again the Perfect Pattern Can be UPSIDE DOWN... Diagonal... AGAIN I HAD a TRIANGLE 10 11 12 14
So I work out how to Bet against that TRIANGLE appear in other DOzens.
YOU CAN ALTER THE DOZENS!!!!!!!..
MEANING the square could be 35 36 2 3... You just move things a bit. Like the TRI ANGLE was in Dozen 1&2
So you can have the 1st Column to be Number 4-15 instead of 1-12....
HOPE THIS IS CLEAR for ALL....
Hello NewLight....
I don't know if I completely understand your method at the moment. I have just seen it.
However, if this can work... Once the raindrop pattern has formed in a dozen bet a 4 step progression on the other two dozens.....
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 07, 08:42 PM 2011
OK, it is playable this way but much finer approach is with the original raindrop strategy mapping on wheel. Why mess with this mimic incomplete strategy when there is one already better suited?
Finally somebody explained it properly.
Thanks Hermes
Whats the original raindrop strategy Hermes?
Jesus' I already forget the details but I did bet always after 12 spins sector of 12 numbers in not hit space. If zero comes during counting ad a spin. You can bet different amount of numbers eg. after 10 spins 15 #s sector or after 24 spins 5#s sector and so on. Very easy but crucial when picking the dry sector where the rain drop didn't fall yet. Imagine your driveway when the rain starts there will be with the time less and less dry spaces and those dry spaces are where you place your bets expecting that they will be wet soon (if not you will be wet soon up & down).
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 09, 10:57 PM 2011
Imagine your driveway when the rain starts there will be with the time less and less dry spaces and those dry spaces are where you place your bets expecting that they will be wet soon (if not you will be wet soon up & down).
Hermes
dear Hermes the great
you always use good humor to explain which gives us ;D :twisted:
thanks
catalyst