Hi guys.
I have had several requests from the time that I started the thread "beating roulette with math.." on how to play it. If I could explain it better in a new thread. I decided to do it becuase there has been some interest in the subject so I consider it fair to do so.
The main concept of this method is to take advantage of the fact that there will never be less than 65 reds or blacks in 200 spins. Ofcourse according to math this can happen but a fellow member at roulette30 forum checked 20 miljon spins or 100000 sessions of 200 spins and none of them had less than 65 reds or blacks. If you ever find one of those sessions under your lifetime you can consider yourself very lucky (or in this case extremely unlucky).
Here is the original thread:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/beating-roulette-with-math/)
I have to say again, read this three threads and read Belgians posts:
link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,9.0.html (link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,9.0.html)
link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,8.0.html (link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,8.0.html)
link:://:.x/2010/06/labouchere-progression-in-depth.html (link:://:.x/2010/06/labouchere-progression-in-depth.html)
I will try to explain here how I play the "labby".
A labby is a very powerful progression, you can adjust it in many different ways for your own personal choice.
Attached is an example of 9 zero's and a one. This is very useful if you have excel (or similiar) and do it like this while your playing. Just have it under the roulette window or whatever you like.
Now to the rules that I use:
1 - Choose your preferable EC (Even chance bet) I usually bet on red. Remember to always bet red, don't switch every spins or something like that.
2- A pair is 2 outcomes. Like this for example:
RR or
BR or
BB
If you win the first bet in the pair, restart with a new pair.
If you lose 2 bets in a pair, start a new pair.
3 - What to bet?
Always bet the figure to the right and add the figure to the left.
So if you have your labby like this:
2,2,3,4,7,9 (total of 27 units)
Your bet would be 9+2= 11 units and if you lose your next bet would be 22 units.
If that 22 bet loses to, you add the lost units to the labby.
27 units before + 33 more units = 60 units
I usually split in 2 more figures. (You can do whatevery you prefer)
So before we had 6 figures, split 60 into 8 figures.
7,7,7,7,8,8,8,8
Now play a new pair. If win the first bet start another pair directly.
4 - Always end your labby when you are playing. If you have 9 zero's and a one you shall play until you have no numbers left in the labby.
Now, as a sidenote to this. If you want to do longer sessions (I do) you just play as usual, always reset when you have a new high or break even or until you get 2 losses in a row. When you have 2 losses in a row you start with your labby and continue as usual.
5 - If you win your first bet in a figure, you take away the number to the right and also take away the number to the left in your labby. I play every spin. Only exception is when a serie of 4 appear, I then stop and wait for a win to come, then continue where you left off.
6 - We will always use a mini-marty in every figure. With that I mean that if I start to bet 1 and lose, you should bet 2 next bet in that figure.
Another example, if your first bet in the figure is 6 and you lose, your next bet is 12 units.
7 -
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So we have to find away to get rid of these long losing streaks, or at least make them last as short as possible according to the probability. How can we do that?
Answer: by changing the odds of 50:50 into 75:25 or even 87:13.
How can we do that?
Answer: to combine 2 or 3 chances in one figure!
75:25: RB RB BB RR
87:13: RRR RRB RBB BBB BRR BBR BRB RBR
So play 2 decisions (pairs)(75:25) and treat them as one for the Labby but replace by a lost 2 zero's because that is only 1 bet (1:2)
8 - If you lose 2 spins in a row (one figure) you shall take away 2 zero's from your labby. Say you lost you first two bets, that is 1 and then 2 units.
Your new labby looks like this:
0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,2
9 -
QuoteIf a series of 4 appear I stop betting till the series brakes. Then continue the betting. In this way I don't have any problem with 68% (theoretical appearance % of series of 1,2 and 3) of the charts in terms of losing a bet in the labby. When a series of 4 or longer appears, it means my labby contains 2 more figures. The dangerous chart is therefore the appearance of alternating series of 4 and longer. After occurrence of 2 alternating series of 4, I will transfer half of the figures to another even chance that is the most choppy to divide the risks.
So if you have a total of 28 units in you labby, you transfer half of those (14 units) to another Ec, like high and low. Then you continue play as usual on both your Ec:s. You choose the most choppy one, but this is your personal choice.
10 -
QuoteSo, you have a lot of possibilities to stay low in the bets during bad streaks, without spreading the labby into more figures needed to stay within the 1:2 ration needed to close the Labby. The way I play with pairs it means you need only 1:3 wins to close it (actually 1:3 plus 1 bet). So for example when you play on Red then you need only in 50 spins 13 Red to close it. That is already very close to the worst expectations in terms of Ecards. (see the figures given by Muck) and without taken into account the many possibilities you have to keep the bets low.
11 - As you maybe have understood you have to divide the losses yourself. Like if you lose 3 units and next bet 6 units. You should add 4,5 to your labby.
12 - Now if your bets get larger you can divide your bets into 3 figures. Like this:
lost 17+34 = 51 units
51/3 = 17 units
Add 17,17,17 to your labby.
But keep in mind that the more figures you have the more wins you need to end the labby.
Belgians Example
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example according aggressive version, 9 imaginary zero's and a one (that is what you suggest). we play on Red. For 75:25 we bet on pairs:
start Labby 0,1
R 1 unit win
B no bet (ending first pair) EOS
R 1 unit win
B no bet EOS
R 1 unit win
R no bet EOS
R 1 unit win
R no bet EOS
B 1 unit loss
B 2 unit loss (ending first pair) Labby now: 0,1,1,2
B 2 units loss
B 4 units loss (ending second pair) Labby now: 0,1,1,2,3,3 (4+2=6:2=3)
R 3 unit win Labby now: 1,1,2,3
R no bet (ending third pair)
B 4 unit loss
B 8 units loss (ending fourth pair) Labby now: 1,1,2,3,6,6
R win 7 units Labby now: 1,2,3,6
R no bet (ending fifth pair)
B 7 unit loss
R 14 units win (end of 6th pair) Labby now: 2,3
R 5 unit win
B no bet (ending seventh pair) all figures canceled in the Labby End of session.
Total session: +5 units.
if 9 imaginary zero's are replaced by figures, the next loss bet has to be divided between the figures 9starting from the lowest ones.
13 - Lately I've been using this technique and it works very well. You can use this or you can use your own numbers.
1 = 8 fig.
2= 12 fig.
3= 16 fig.
4=20 fig.
5= 24 fig.
This means that if there have been 1 serie of 4 I split into 8 figures.
If there have been 4 series of 4 I split into 20 figures.
This is just to reduce the bets and the risk during a bad run.
As you saw in point 9 we said that you can split half your figures to another EC. But I've been using the above chart for a time now and it works very good. It's a personal choice.
My eplanationSee the attached excel file. This should help you alot. (Thanks aleks06)
ResultsI have tested over 10000 spins manually and haven't lost a session with a 1500 unit bankroll.
I and aleks06 also tested the 11 horror sessions provided by Bayes and cleared all of them. These sessions were the worst in 700000 wiesbaden spins.
My viewAs you can see I have quoted a lot from Belgian from roulette30forum. All thanks to him!
This wasn't easy to write and I understand that this isn't easy to understand but it is the same for me.
Pratice, practice and more practice!
That's the way I learned.
Ofcourse I shall try to answer your questions.
I hope that my attached sessions will help you understand better.
Hope this helped some to you guys.
When you have learned it you can develop your own strategy, as I said, there are many possibilities left.
I don't think that to many will understand the method in full, but you can try and do some research yourself and play more like you want it.
Cheers
Fripper
Thanks fripper, good idea to re-write this. So if got this right you can call this method method "golden one"? When having 1500 units bank?
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 02, 12:24 PM 2011
Thanks fripper, good idea to re-write this. So if got this right you can call this method method "golden one"? When having 1500 units bank?
Regards
Drazen
Well I don't call it the "golden one" but it is very strong and I haven't lost with it so far, like I have with every other method I have tested. However this will lose with a 1500 unit bankroll sometime but how often? Only testing will prove it.
Let me know if you need any help.
thanks for this Fripper
i notice some of the changes you were looking at in the other thread seem to have been dropped in the end, even though they looked quite promising - such as the 15 zero's.. was this because of the extra grind involved or just that it made no discernable difference in the end?
also, you go back to the original idea to go to another ec rather than maybe split the drawdown in 2 on the same ec.. was that again just experience of many games?
i can see how much work you & Aleks put in to this on the other thread.. much appreciated.
Yes we tested alot of different things and there are some very good tweaks. However the best method so far I believe is the first one which I described here above. Experience have told me that after countless testing hours, but I'm am indeed testing new things as well. There are endless of possibilities to work with.
Thanks mate
Hi Fripper â€" I thought I’d have a look at first at 1 particular aspect which intrigued me about this system, namely the use of the zero.
It seemed to me that it was being used at the very beginning for 4 losing bets (the 9 zeros) but then not used again. But it seems that it could be used more regularly as an extra safety net.
It’s basic use is to act as a flatbet, so still using the ‘stop after a series of 4 losses & wait for a virtual win’, introduce the zero here again when we are about to re-commence betting, just to make sure we are out of the deep water.
Doing it this way on Bayes 200 spin Hell Session on evens/odds, you get the following result:
Biggest bet: 32u
Biggest drawdown: 140u
Total +11u
(see attachment)
I’ve not tried it yet using the mini-martingale suggested by Belgian, but will give that a go next.
Just wondered what you thought about that, or if you’re trying some other things at the minute?
Cheers
Hi monaco,
nice work! the main problem with the labby is when you have only few figures left, for instance in your session just before your last profit your last figure is 12 if you face a bad run at this moment your bets will increase quite fast. Thats why ive never been a big supporter about using marty with the labby.
Hi again,
I've done some tests on your session with few tweaks.
Profit : +15
Highest bet : 19 units
While testing I've noticed starting with "0" before the "1" was not really a good idea, i've missed some units.
You will see that after a loss I only bet the 2 lowest figures and after a win I bet the first and the last figure.
In order to increase profit I add +1 unit to the lowest figure of the labby after every 20 spins without profit but I think every 10 spins would be better.
Also, a safety break is required when we have 1 or 2 figures. let's say if we have 1 or 2 figures left and the bet is over 30 units we would need to divide these 2 figures into "x" figures (lower the bets).
I've set the maximum of figures to "15" it could be less.
I think the secret is to find the good balance between the length of the string ( win's required to end the labby ) and the size of the bets ( protect our bankroll ).
The goal is to get the perfect alchemy to be able to overcome any bad scenario.
Fripper
I have posted an excel file 1 for RED and 2 for black RANDOM in the colums
In the yellow grill you see the results of 10 X 200 numbers. By each click you are passing 2000 spins.
I never passed the 65 below.
Try it yourself.
Ludo8400
Watching this thread with great interest again.
Ludo, can you give us more explanation re: your spreadsheet?
Thanks
Quote from: monaco on Jul 13, 05:42 AM 2011
But it seems that it could be used more regularly as an extra safety net.
Quote from: aleks06 on Jul 13, 08:33 AM 2011
I think the secret is to find the good balance between the length of the string ( win's required to end the labby ) and the size of the bets ( protect our bankroll ).
The goal is to get the perfect alchemy to be able to overcome any bad scenario.
Nice monaco and thanks for sharing. As I said "the possibilities are endless".
You are both right but the problem remains, how long are we willing to play to have it safe? We can make it a grinder and add more zero's or more figures but the wins to get back get more and more.
However, playing with a bot this wouldn't be a problem. Then all that matters is keeping the bets low as long as the bad run.
As you said Aleks, "balance between the length of the string ( win's required to end the labby ) and the size of the bets ( protect our bankroll )".
We have to test and test until we find a good balance.
But I like your concept monaco, keep it up and let us know how you do with the other "hell" sessions.
Quote from: ludo8400 on Jul 13, 08:40 AM 2011
Fripper
I have posted an excel file 1 for RED and 2 for black RANDOM in the columns
In the yellow grill you see the results of 10 X 200 numbers. By each click you are passing 2000 spins.
I never passed the 65 below.
Try it yourself.
Ludo8400
Thanks for sharing Ludo8400 and you confirm that we will probably never see less than 65 reds or blacks in 200 spins.
I use this tool provided by Bayes, it's excellent. You can check millions of spins in seconds. Check it out.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/sequence-analyzer/)
Cheers
Quote from: Fripper on Jul 13, 02:22 PM 2011
However, playing with a bot this wouldn't be a problem. Then all that matters is keeping the bets low as long as the bad run.
Cheers
We definitely need a programmer here.
Hi Aleks - a lot of ideas I’d never considered before such as adding to the target profit after so many spins// & I think you’re right about being left with a few big numbers â€" dangerous territory,
Am re-reading the old thread again â€" endless possibilities like you say Fripper, but I think the devil is in the detail.. looking at it small bit by small bit. I still think an element of flat-betting could be helpful.
I’m bearing in mind as well that we’re looking at the worst scenarios amongst millions of spins here, so trying not to be too hard on ourselves if we find a certain set of spins that maybe involves a bit of a grind every now & again..
Will post more results later today hopefully.
This may be a bit of an academic exercise, but I looked at Bayes 65 reds in 200 spins, the worst set of numbers in 55 million spins if I’m not mistaken,
In general, I think there’s 2 ways of approaching this whole thing â€" adopt a less defensive approach early on, win lots of fast units & face the storm when it comes the best you can (which is probably the most practical way),
or be fully prepared right from the off that the storm might just start hitting the next spin â€" to be able to overcome any set of spins, then I’m afraid you would need to adopt the 2nd approach, thereby foregoing a lot of the ease you can normally pick up quick units.
So to be always prepared for a sample where there is only 65 reds, you have to be always set in an extremely defensive mode. This is the roulette equivalent of parking the bus in front of the goal from the 1st minute, & aiming to win on penalties :)
So here we’ve got 65 reds in 200 spins, betting red, maximum bet 70units, maximum drawdown 70u, total +1u. The basic premise, you begin with 65 numbers & cross 1 off everytime you win.
Notation-wise, 64(0) means 64 zeros. You will see that you flatbet 193 times (by beginning the line with a 0 & ending always with a 1, spreading the losses & changes to achieve this throughout the line), & the only time you wouldn’t is when you can clear the line with 1 spin, ie. 2 or 1 number left.
I think this all may be a bit academic, (I’ve not tried it on any other set of numbers as I feel pretty zonked out just finishing this one :yawn: ! I’ve double-checked it though, I don’t think there’s any mistakes but I might be wrong - please let me know if i've made some horrible mistake.....), possibly its not really applicable in any real sense, but I thought it might be interesting to show..
Hi monaco. Keep the ideas coming, I will test your first approach next week, with the hell sessions at first.
I will have a little vacation now :thumbsup:
Cheers
ive read through the threads provided by fripper but i need o read them through again to fully understand the system
but
what if instead of betting every spin we bet every time red showed and we played for the repeat? this will almost eliminate long losing streaks and allow the labby to be completed quicker with fewer bets.
what do you think.
that's impressive monaco, but how do you do when you lose after removing the "0" and the "1" ?
for instance
0,35,35,1
W 35,35
L ...?
1 possible way & following this through to the logical end, swapping a loss for the win where you say, you could do the following:
18R 35,35
L 0,70,69,1
28 0,70,70,1
13 0,71,70,1
11 0,71,71,1
27R 71,71
21R +1
that would be 64 reds in 199 spins, max bet 142u, max drawdown 143u, total +1.
This way, any more streaks of losses wouldn't really hurt you beyond the first one, as you would be retreating to a position of flatbetting 1 unit on a loss, & waiting for the trigger of a win to try & cross the line.
all very nice on this particular example as we get 2 reds in a row to see us finish, but of course you can say, 'what if the last 21R had been a black?' It's basically martingale territory, albeit less open to a straight losing streak.
Well, you'd be giving yourself probably 2 or 3 more cracks at closing it by continuing this way, or possibly at 35,35 you could have split that into 9 figures & given yourself more time for the deviation to balance itself out a bit, maybe by using the original method in this thread..
& i don't want to deviate too much from that as you & Fripper & others put so much time into it, & i think that is where the real deal lies, but i just wanted to experiment with the power of the labby, & see if 1 way or another, even these numbers could be beaten.
thanks for your answer, but I really like your approach. I've tested this on "normal" session and as expected the profit is low. do you think we could find a way to increase it? we would really be near a HG ;D
Quote from: monaco on Jul 13, 05:42 AM 2011
Hi Fripper â€" I thought I’d have a look at first at 1 particular aspect which intrigued me about this system, namely the use of the zero.
It seemed to me that it was being used at the very beginning for 4 losing bets (the 9 zeros) but then not used again. But it seems that it could be used more regularly as an extra safety net.
It’s basic use is to act as a flatbet, so still using the ‘stop after a series of 4 losses & wait for a virtual win’, introduce the zero here again when we are about to re-commence betting, just to make sure we are out of the deep water.
Doing it this way on Bayes 200 spin Hell Session on evens/odds, you get the following result:
Biggest bet: 32u
Biggest drawdown: 140u
Total +11u
(see attachment)
I’ve not tried it yet using the mini-martingale suggested by Belgian, but will give that a go next.
Just wondered what you thought about that, or if you’re trying some other things at the minute?
Cheers
I tested this way on session 1 of bayes hell sessions, betting red. Result was profit but highest bet 270 units or something.
The problem was at the end of the labby. Just some figures and some losing bets came and the units did rise fast.
Quote from: aleks06 on Jul 13, 08:33 AM 2011
Hi again,
I've done some tests on your session with few tweaks.
Profit : +15
Highest bet : 19 units
While testing I've noticed starting with "0" before the "1" was not really a good idea, i've missed some units.
You will see that after a loss I only bet the 2 lowest figures and after a win I bet the first and the last figure.
In order to increase profit I add +1 unit to the lowest figure of the labby after every 20 spins without profit but I think every 10 spins would be better.
Also, a safety break is required when we have 1 or 2 figures. let's say if we have 1 or 2 figures left and the bet is over 30 units we would need to divide these 2 figures into "x" figures (lower the bets).
I've set the maximum of figures to "15" it could be less.
I think the secret is to find the good balance between the length of the string ( win's required to end the labby ) and the size of the bets ( protect our bankroll ).
The goal is to get the perfect alchemy to be able to overcome any bad scenario.
I tested your way on session 1 also because I liked the idea. However I ended with +19 after 222 spins with a high bet of 130 units.
I will try it again but this time I will divide into 9 figures when I have 1 or 2 figures left and bets get higher than 30 units as you suggests.
And guys, keep the ideas flowing, we can make this baby better.
Cheers
Been looking at the mini-martingale idea here, mainly the 2-step, as the 3-step can get a bit nerve-wrecking at some points., particularly the end parts where things can get out of hand..
This is possibly an alternative way of finishing a labby with some high numbers left, trying to keep the bets low but still using the priniciple of the martingale as advised by this method..
Say you’ve got 35,35, you could turn this into
15 20
15 20
Bet 35 to clear the first line, lose, so without adding any more numbers, distribute the 35 loss between all 4 numbers… you’ve now got
26 26
26 27
Bet 52 to clear the first line, lose, so now adding a number to each line, distribute the 52 loss.. you’ve now got:
26 26 26
26 26 27
So in other words, if you lose on the first step of the martingale, you distribute the loss amongst the existing numbers, still giving you a chance to clear the line with your 2nd step. If you lose on the 2nd step, you add a number to each line & distribute. As you can see, it’s not a straight doubling-up marty, but it is giving you 2 chances to clear a line in the way a marty would.
Would also add that this keeps within the labby principle of 1W/2L’s to clear (after the initial split), as there is no extra number being added after the 1st loss, so you’re still crossing off 2 numbers with a single win, but only adding 2 numbers after 2 losses, whereas a lot of the time, adding new sub-lines after a single loss, or adding 2 numbers after every loss to keep the bets low can really turn it in to a grind.
hi gents
i wonder if you could help me with the system im using as it uses 'labby' ideas, ive read the previous
posts but am having a little difficulty in following them,
the system i have been using now for the last 2 or so weeks involves starting
0 1 2 3 4/ so of course i rub out 0 and 4 etc if i win, in fact if i get two consecutives wins, i dont bother hunting the 2 units left so i start a new string.
if for example i play black and lose two spins on the turn that makes the string
0 1 2 3 4/ 4 4/ so a long loosing string with no winners would be /4 4 / 4 4/ 4 4/ etc
i start betting again when Black appears, so to be beaten in the long run this would have to happen
B RR B RR B RR B RR B RR B RR BRR B RR etc etc ad nauseum
ive been doing quite well since i started it winning approx 1,600 units (im using 20p units)
however ive had some very hairy times and in fact my worst was this morning when i got up to betting 200 units (201 to be exact!!)
here is some of this morning's rather anxious string
0 1 2 3 4/4 4/5 6/7 8/9 10/11 13/13/13 17/21 25/29 30/31
now of course several of these have been crossed off but the next bet is to be for example 37 units
so would it be the idea to break the 37 into say 5 5 5 5 5 6 6, add them to the string
so etc 31 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6/ so the next bet then would be 6 + what ever the first number was
and again if it went up to 30 or so more unit to bet, continuosly breaking up a larger unit stake?
its just those long strings are nerve jangling my next bet this morning would have been theoretically 252 units and then 303 units !!!
or would it be a better idea to wait for Black to register at least twice before betting again
so then in the long run only a long long line of Sequence of
BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR would lose??
i suppose this would reduce the numbers of betting opportunities but you would still tie in to a long winning run of blacks or whatever the Ec you had chosen?
i would be very greatful if you could assist in this as unlike me you guys seem to be able to actually
see the wood for the trees!!
Cheers Dth
Hi Fripper, hi all,
Tell me what you think of this system. First sorry for my bad english. I use similar system to this and still have not fallen, in theory it is possible i know. I play it accordance with the following rules;
1. play live french roulette (for this system house edge is 1.35 because if 0 hit we got half bet)
2. for bet 0,1 minimum bankrol is 150
3. play only when you have time because series can be long
Now about strategy. All time bet on same color. My starting series is 0,1/ when win on first bet series remains the same(0,1), when lose add 1, (0,1,1) when win after lose delete first and last number in the series like original system. When lose twice in row then stop and wait to bet color appears again and then bet. And most importantly wen have like this dangerus series(3,5) always add some unit to the beginning of series (1,1,3,5) The point is that at the beginning of dangerous seria must be 1 i hope you understand me.
speed
@downthehatch
You can adapt the labby to your personal choice as you have and you can continue to explore new ideas. If you get higher bets like 30 units as you suggest you can add more figures, but that also makes it a grind, meaning the labby will take longer to end.
@speed
Hi Speed and welcome to the forum.
Yes french roulette is good because you get the reduced house edge. Indeed series can be long so always take the time so you don't get stressed, because that's when the simple mistakes happen.
Ok, you use 2 losses in a row as a stoploss and wait for a virtual win, I use 4 losses in a row. This is a your personal choice and I've also tested this and can't tell which one is the best yet.
Yes that is a good idea and monaco have already tested that idea a little if you look in this thread. Well it is similar. I haven't done much testing on this but maybe I will soon enough.
Thanks for your interest.
Cheers
hi Fripper,
Thanks for welcome. What u think about this idea
write 20 units in a row (11111111111111111111) or 10 or...
and proceed as in this system which we have, when unit disappears
we start sension again with 20 unit in row.
Follow the principle rule that on begining always must be 1.
When we have this serie (2345) we must add unit on begining (1112345)
now the stakes can only increase by 1
The advantage of this is that we will never reach maximum bet on table,
but when we add unit all time series can be wery wery long.
Is there someone who has time to put to the test this on minimum 500000 spins.
I think that maybe can long term win..
hi downthehatch
If your begining series like this 1234 you can try bet on red and black on same time.
You must write two series 1234 for red and 1234 for black, on one always add loss bet,
on the second crossed first and the last number. When one color is lost, another is sure to win.
As is known the same stake on the opposite color are interfere.
So if for example the fact bet is now on the black 2 and red 4 you only bet on red 2 unit,
because if zero hit you only los 1 unit on french roulette.This principle will also guarantee the highest efficiency of capital.
Both rows (or all 6 lines, if you play at all half of the roulette ) at the end are fully cross
of course not all in one moment, but once everyone series are crosed.
I hope I helped.
speed
Quote from: Fripper on Aug 08, 02:55 PM 2011
[b]@downthehatch
You can adapt the labby to your personal choice as you have and you can continue to explore new ideas. If you get higher bets like 30 units as you suggest you can add more figures, but that also makes it a grind, meaning the labby will take longer to end.[/b]
thanks for reply and advice
Cheers Dth
@speed
Hi Speed and welcome to the forum.
Yes french roulette is good because you get the reduced house edge. Indeed series can be long so always take the time so you don't get stressed, because that's when the simple mistakes happen.
Ok, you use 2 losses in a row as a stoploss and wait for a virtual win, I use 4 losses in a row. This is a your personal choice and I've also tested this and can't tell which one is the best yet.
Yes that is a good idea and monaco have already tested that idea a little if you look in this thread. Well it is similar. I haven't done much testing on this but maybe I will soon enough.
Thanks for your interest.
Cheers
Quote from: speed on Aug 09, 01:25 PM 2011
hi Fripper,
Thanks for welcome. What u think about this idea
write 20 units in a row (11111111111111111111) or 10 or...
and proceed as in this system which we have, when unit disappears
we start sension again with 20 unit in row.
Follow the principle rule that on begining always must be 1.
When we have this serie (2345) we must add unit on begining (1112345)
now the stakes can only increase by 1
The advantage of this is that we will never reach maximum bet on table,
but when we add unit all time series can be wery wery long.
Is there someone who has time to put to the test this on minimum 500000 spins.
I think that maybe can long term win..
hi downthehatch
If your begining series like this 1234 you can try bet on red and black on same time.
You must write two series 1234 for red and 1234 for black, on one always add loss bet,
on the second crossed first and the last number. When one color is lost, another is sure to win.
As is known the same stake on the opposite color are interfere.
So if for example the fact bet is now on the black 2 and red 4 you only bet on red 2 unit,
because if zero hit you only los 1 unit on french roulette.This principle will also guarantee the highest efficiency of capital.
Both rows (or all 6 lines, if you play at all half of the roulette ) at the end are fully cross
of course not all in one moment, but once everyone series are crosed.
I hope I helped.
speed
hI Thanks for reply and advice will try to absorb that!!
Cheers Dth