--------(((METHOD THE REVERSE SLIDE)))--------
Firstly I must give thanks and credit to Atlantis for his sharp observations in coming up with this idea. I have been thoroughly testing this gem over the last two weeks. And I have had remarkable results. As I expected. Playing 20 games a day for both Dozens and columns. I have yet to lose. In fact I haven't even been taken to the fourth step of the progression in now 300 games played. The RULES
1, We record spins for the columns and Dozens in two separate four wide Matrixes until we have a diagonal run of three of the same column or dozen. Example
1232
2133
1312--Trigger Dozen 1
CCBA
BBAC
CABB--Trigger Column A
2, We now bet using a 4 step progression (80 units risk) that we won't get the following
1232
2133
1312
2221
1312
2121
1313--As you can see Dozen 1 has formed a slide from left to right then a reverse slide from right to left. This is what we don't want to see. And in 300 games I haven't seen 1.
3, My successful results have been drawn from playing a maximum of 4 consecutive games a session. So I recommend you play no more than 4 games consecutively.
4, For those who don't want to risk 80 units. I suggest you wait until a complete slide has formed. Then bet against a reverse forming covering the remaining three steps. Most wins come in the first two steps of the progression as expected. And I have yet to use step 4, even when a zero has hit previously.
Results after 300 games played.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 300
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 600 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 144
STEP 2 WINS 126
STEP 3 WINS 30
STEP 4 CURRENTLY UNCHALLENGED.
This method feels even stronger than CODE 4 to me. Its very difficult for random to form such a precise pattern especially when playing short sessions. It is firmly in my arsenal of methods from now on. And again full kudos to Atlantis for his sharp observations. Lets see what kind of strikerate this gem can deliver over the longterm.
Well.. well. Who would have thought it? :)
AMAZING RESULTS JL!
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 20, 11:04 AM 2011
Well.. well. Who would have thought it? :)
AMAZING RESULTS JL!
A.
Hi Atlantis yes its a great one. I really think this could be the best of the lot...
Hi Pratikpop,
He is betting against the following happening:
1232
2133
1312
2221 - bet here against diagonal slide 1-1-1-1. If lose against doz 1 on reverse diagonal slide
1312
2121
1313
Same thing for columns.
A.
Hi Pratikpop,
Or you can start betting AFTER the diagonal slide has formed e.g: 1-1-1-1 and now bet 3 times against a REVERSE slide occurring for dozen 1:
1232
2133
1312
2221
1312 - start bet here against doz 1 on reverse slide (3 bets only)
2121
1313
2 doz bet: 1-1, 3-3, 9-9 =26 units. 3 steps.
Bet at the points indicated in red on the reverse right to left diagonal slide. Stop at win.
Cheers,
A
Are there other "Patterns", U could be against forming somewhere in there?
Congratulations Atlantis, JohnLegend. This looks good :thumbsup:
*I sure miss Ophis and the MST--it could be useful here
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 20, 01:44 PM 2011
Are there other "Patterns", You could be against forming somewhere in there?
Hi ChrisBis,
Well I do not wish to dilute JL's original instructions nor to confuse anyone unduly; so apologies for that - - - but one thing you *could* do to gain more bet opportunities is to bet against a symmetrically balanced PATTERN of SEVEN occurring on the slide AND the reverse slide.
You need a diagonal line formed consisting of 2 dozens only eg: 2-3-3-2
For this to become a perfectly symmetrical pattern on a diagonal reverse slide it would have to form a balanced pattern of:
2-3-3*2*3-3-2
So, knowing that, you would now bet against the reverse diagonal of 3-3-2 happening.
1232
2133
1312
2223
1312 - bet against doz3 LOST
2121 - bet against doz3 WON
2313
Examples:
For 1-1-1-2 you'd bet against dozens 1-1-1 (that it didn't form the sym. pattern 1-1-1*2*1-1-1)
For 2-3-2-3 you'd bet against dozens 2-3-2 (that it didn't form the sym. pattern 2-3-2*3*2-3-2)
For 2-2-3-3 you'd bet against dozens 3-2-2 (that it didn't form the sym. pattern 2-2-3*3*3-2-2)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 20, 01:35 PM 2011
Hi Pratikpop,
Or you can start betting AFTER the diagonal slide has formed e.g: 1-1-1-1 and now bet 3 times against a REVERSE slide occurring for dozen 1:
1232
2133
1312
2221
1312 - start bet here against doz 1 on reverse slide (3 bets only)
2121
1313
2 doz bet: 1-1, 3-3, 9-9 =26 units. 3 steps.
Bet at the points indicated in red on the reverse right to left diagonal slide. Stop at win.
Cheers,
A
A,
1232
2133
1312
2221
1312
2121
1313
x Do we start betting here also or wait until the previous pattern has won or lost before starting to retrack?
Quote from: GLC on Aug 20, 02:44 PM 2011
A,
1232
2133
1312
2221
1312
2121
1313
x Do we start betting here also or wait until the previous pattern has won or lost before starting to retrack?
Play only one attack at a time.
In your example the coup (in red) would have already been won (or lost) so yes you would carry on
after the first 3 results on the next following line and bet the first step against dozen 1 in the 4th column if doing it the original way.
Remember JL says to quit after 3 or 4 consecutive victories (hit 'n' run)
A.
I have no doubt that a hit n run strategy will work well on this method.
I have 3500 spins arranged in a 4 wide matrix and I just did a quick perusal using the following method:
Bet progression: 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81, 243-243 for a total of 844 units invested.
Even though we have to risk 844 units, I don't really think we'll ever need all of it.
I started betting against the slide/reverse slide forming starting on the second line of each row.
1 2 2 3
2 3 Right here I win because I bet against a 1 spinning
1 2 2 3
2 3 3 1
1 2 2 2 Right here I lost 1-1 because I was betting against a 2 spinning
3 1 1 2 Right here I won in the 3rd line betting against a 2 and lost in 2nd line betting against 1.
2 1 3 2 Here I won in 3rd betting against a 1 and won in 2nd betting against a 3.
etc... forever
I examined 850+ games and they all won.
The highest bet I had to make was 27-27 which I had to make 5 times
I still had two more levels available if I had needed them.
At this point, even if I lose a complete progression, I'm still ahead.
I think with my Attention Deficit Disorder I can play this system without going crazy tracking.
I know that there's a loss in the mix somewhere, but if there wasn't, it would be unbelievable. You would just sit down and start winning and when you had won all you needed for the day, pack up and leave.
As far as I can see, this is possibly what I've been looking for. Fortunately, I'm in no hurry and I have a couple of years to find out for sure. And you can rest assured that I won't risk a real bankroll until I'm 100% sure.
Thanks JL and A.
GLC
Here's an interesting observation. I just checked those same spins against TurboGenius' system where he bets that the last for dozens won't spin in the same sequence again. In other words if the last 4 spins were 1323 he bets against 1323 spinning in the next for spins. I just expanded the idea to 6 instead of 4 to see how the results would stack up against the reverse slide idea and in my 3500 spins, I got very similar results but the slide edged out as a safer bet. Granted 3500 spins is just a drop in the bucket for testing purposes, but it does show a tendency.
Betting that the last 6 don't repeat:
Over 850 wins.
Bet the 4th level 27-27 nine times.
Bet the 5th level 80-80 one time.
Never had to bet the 243-243 level.
Just for info.
Hey JL. Why don't you erase my last few posts and I'll copy them to a new topic under Notepad so they don't create white noise on this topic. That way everything on this topic will be about your original method. :thumbsup:
GLC
Thanks JohnLegend and atlantis for taking us to this level............
GLC:
"I examined 850+ games and they all won.
The highest bet I had to make was 27-27 which I had to make 5 times
I still had two more levels available if I had needed them.
At this point, even if I lose a complete progression, I'm still ahead."
Just the start of REVERSE SLIDE............................ :)
Quote from: GLC on Aug 20, 04:02 PM 2011
I have no doubt that a hit n run strategy will work well on this method.
I have 3500 spins arranged in a 4 wide matrix and I just did a quick perusal using the following method:
Bet progression: 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81, 243-243 for a total of 844 units invested.
Even though we have to risk 844 units, I don't really think we'll ever need all of it.
I started betting against the slide/reverse slide forming starting on the second line of each row.
1 2 2 3
2 3 Right here I win because I bet against a 1 spinning
1 2 2 3
2 3 3 1
1 2 2 2 Right here I lost 1-1 because I was betting against a 2 spinning
3 1 1 2 Right here I won in the 3rd line betting against a 2 and lost in 2nd line betting against 1.
2 1 3 2 Here I won in 3rd betting against a 1 and won in 2nd betting against a 3.
etc... forever
I examined 850+ games and they all won.
The highest bet I had to make was 27-27 which I had to make 5 times
I still had two more levels available if I had needed them.
At this point, even if I lose a complete progression, I'm still ahead.
I think with my Attention Deficit Disorder I can play this system without going crazy tracking.
I know that there's a loss in the mix somewhere, but if there wasn't, it would be unbelievable. You would just sit down and start winning and when you had won all you needed for the day, pack up and leave.
As far as I can see, this is possibly what I've been looking for. Fortunately, I'm in no hurry and I have a couple of years to find out for sure. And you can rest assured that I won't risk a real bankroll until I'm 100% sure.
Thanks JL and A.
GLC
What happens if you get like 9 dozens in a row
what sort of betting opportunities do you get with this
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 20, 01:50 PM 2011
Congratulations Atlantis, JohnLegend. This looks good :thumbsup:
*I sure miss Ophis and the MST--it could be useful here
Its a very good one Proof. Ive been telling you all since I landed on this forum. The price for a roulette killer is TIME/PATIENCE. Those who are able to take that onboard and stay with it will prospur and move forward..
Quote from: amk on Aug 20, 06:30 PM 2011
Thanks JohnLegend and atlantis for taking us to this level............
GLC:
"I examined 850+ games and they all won.
The highest bet I had to make was 27-27 which I had to make 5 times
I still had two more levels available if I had needed them.
At this point, even if I lose a complete progression, I'm still ahead."
Just the start of REVERSE SLIDE............................ :)
Hi Amk, yes its looking very strong. Maybe even stronger than CODE 4. The only difference is its purely random. So you have to wait for random to deliver your trigger like with PATTERN BREAKER. But the strikerate could be spectacular. Im always happy to double the paper odds. Code 4 gave me a magnificent 642/1 in its first run. And is looking likely to become 1000/1
The matrix slide was looking good, but im never too precious. If I feel someone has improved my idea I go with it. And I feel Atlantis has done just that for TWO REASONS.
1, That pattern is very difficult for random to produce.
2. You get a faster turnover than with the MATRIX SLIDE. Because you dont have to wait for a new trigger for each step of the four step progression. This is a MAJOR improvement. Thats why Ive put the MATRIX SLIDE to bed in favour of THE REVERSE SLIDE.
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 21, 02:28 AM 2011
What happens if you get like 9 dozens in a row
It takes a lot more than 9 in a row to cause this to fail.
Real spins:
1 3 2 2
2 2 2 2 Row 2 Win +1
2 2 2 2 Row 2 Lose -2
2 3 2 1 Row 2 Win +1, Row 3 Lose -6
3 2 1 3 Row 2 Lose -2, Row 4 Win +9
2 3 3 1 Row 2 Lose -2, Row 3 Win +3
1 1 2 1 Row 2 Win +1, Row 3 Win +3
Play each pattern with a separate progression.
That's the strength of this system, the difficulty in reproducing the pattern.
I choose a 6 step progression because if you never lose by waiting for the 1st 3 steps of the pattern to form and then betting that the last 4 steps won't form, you will pass up a huge number of wins because every time the 2nd and 3rd steps don't form, you win also.
This way of playing is only for those who have A.D.D. and don't want to pass up 10 or more wins waiting for an opportunity to bet.
You can play this hit-n-run also. Jump in for a win of 20 units which won't take long at all.
Hello JohnL!
You developed a great system as I see from the feedbacks,but I would like to ask you 2 things:
this system is for the real wheel only,or can be played in the online casino either (BV NZ roulette for example)?
And, if it won't be too hard for,can you upload/attach the excel file where's shown how do you play this system?
You know,reading is one thing,and to see the usage of the system on practice is another. It will help the people to understand your system more clearly,for example for me ^-^
It would be great.
Cheers
Does this system bet "diagonal" only?
if we have 3 same dozen or column in line?
Do we bet it?
like
1232
1223
1322
Do we bet it ( 1 won't show up again , so we bet 2 and 3 )?
And do u bet like this?
I know it like your matrix vertical ... can't we combin it into together?
Bet both "diagonal" and "vertical"?
Quote from: grayen on Aug 21, 12:22 PM 2011
Does this system bet "diagonal" only?
if we have 3 same dozen or column in line?
Do we bet it?
like
1232
1223
1322
Do we bet it ( 1 won't show up again , so we bet 2 and 3 )?
And do u bet like this?
I know it like your matrix vertical ... can't we combin it into together?
Bet both "diagonal" and "vertical"?
Since JL and A are hob nobbing with the rich down at the local casino, I'll presume to answer this question.
The original system is for diagonals only.
Play both dozens and columns at the same time.
Hit-n-run.
Play 4 games, then end session.
Of course you can play vertical, but it's not "The Reverse Slide".
You'll have to test it and see if you like playing verticals also.
As with all systems, there's so many permutations in the spins that a tweak here and there may not make that much difference.
The one thing that will make a difference is the bet method. This system, like most matrix systems, is uses a bet method where we're looking for 1 win in 3, 4 or more attempts. Any win recovers all previous losses making them limited or capped martingales.
If you try a +1, -1 D'Alembert progression, it doesn't do quite as well in the long run from my experience. It may still win, but not as efficiently.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 21, 01:31 PM 2011
Since JL and A are hob nobbing with the rich down at the local casino, I'll presume to answer this question.
The original system is for diagonals only.
Play both dozens and columns at the same time.
Hit-n-run.
Play 4 games, then end session.
Of course you can play vertical, but it's not "The Reverse Slide".
You'll have to test it and see if you like playing verticals also.
As with all systems, there's so many permutations in the spins that a tweak here and there may not make that much difference.
The one thing that will make a difference is the bet method. This system, like most matrix systems, is uses a bet method where we're looking for 1 win in 3, 4 or more attempts. Any win recovers all previous losses making them limited or capped martingales.
If you try a +1, -1 D'Alembert progression, it doesn't do quite as well in the long run from my experience. It may still win, but not as efficiently.
Glc I admire your wry sense of hunour. To anwser the original quesrion Its been tested and proofed as THE REVERSE SLIDE. Dont try to over complicate things to cater to your lack of patience. That is one of the major reasons this game is falsely thought of as unbeatable by the masses. Ill tell you the wait for THE REVERSE SLIDE, is a big improvement over THE MATRIX SLIDE. You will get your 4 games inside 80 spins most of the time. So adhere to it. Im 320/0 and my progression hasnt been challenged yet. Dig deep inside yourself and say I can wait TO WIN.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 21, 02:46 PM 2011
Glc I admire your wry sense of hunour. To anwser the original quesrion Its been tested and proofed as THE REVERSE SLIDE. don't try to over complicate things to cater to your lack of patience. That is one of the major reasons this game is falsely thought of as unbeatable by the masses. Ill tell you the wait for THE REVERSE SLIDE, is a big improvement over THE MATRIX SLIDE. You will get your 4 games inside 80 spins most of the time. So adhere to it. I'm 320/0 and my progression hasn't been challenged yet. Dig deep inside yourself and say I can wait TO WIN.
I appreciate that you have a method of play that is a winning method. Kudos to you for sharing it with us. Here's my way of thinking. Let's say you win every time. That means you will never lose a 27-27 bet. That means that if I start betting 2 steps ahead of you, I will never lose a 243-243 bet either. When you lose, I lose.
Now, when I lose, I lose 844 units. When you lose you will lose 80 units. I will play 10 to 11 times more spins than you will and I will win every one of them except the ones we both lose. Mathematically, I will win about 805 units for every loss and you will win 76 units for every loss. At the end of the day if everything works out mathematically, we'll both be a little sad because we lost a little.
Now, if this idea beats random and we actually win twice a many times as we should for every loss, then we will both go to the bank happy fellows. The difference is that I'm doing more betting than you are instead of tracking which suits my personality, but not yours.
I don't deny that your way has some advantages over mine. For one thing, you can have larger unit sizes and still stay within table limits. Your bank can also be smaller than mine since all you need are 80 units and I need 844.
So far in my practice sessions, I have been very pleased with the results. I am just in testing mode right now. I'll see how things look. I'm shooting for 50 units won each session and so far they have come very easy. I play both directions at the same time (from left to right and then back to left and also from right to left and back to right) and on both columns and dozens. That means 4 bets per line which is maybe a little much for real play situations. I can usually win my 50 units in 80-100 spins which is about an hour and a half on my airball machine.
How I play is a personal preference. All I can say is I thank you and A for this method. It's the most promising I've seen to date. As I have stated elsewhere, one of my investments is $10,000 that's earning very little at the moment, but it's safe. It is set aside to be used for the system that I determine is a long term winner. I'll see if I can double it every year. If so, in 5 years it'll be $160,000. I'm still a working bloke, so I'm in no hurry. Like I said, it's sitting in a very safe place and going no where.
This may be the one. If I determine that your method is safer/better, I'll drop mine in a heartbeat. Knowledge is what I'm after, not ego gratification.
Cheers to you and yours,
George
Thank you Johnlegend for sharing all that you know...........
Before I landed on the forum I found myself lost in a maze.........
It is incredible to look back at only 4 short months and see the giant leaps taken forward...............
Quote from: GLC on Aug 21, 05:45 PM 2011
I appreciate that you have a method of play that is a winning method. Kudos to you for sharing it with us. Here's my way of thinking. Let's say you win every time. That means you will never lose a 27-27 bet. That means that if I start betting 2 steps ahead of you, I will never lose a 243-243 bet either. When you lose, I lose.
Now, when I lose, I lose 844 units. When you lose you will lose 80 units. I will play 10 to 11 times more spins than you will and I will win every one of them except the ones we both lose. Mathematically, I will win about 805 units for every loss and you will win 76 units for every loss. At the end of the day if everything works out mathematically, we'll both be a little sad because we lost a little.
Now, if this idea beats random and we actually win twice a many times as we should for every loss, then we will both go to the bank happy fellows. The difference is that I'm doing more betting than you are instead of tracking which suits my personality, but not yours.
I don't deny that your way has some advantages over mine. For one thing, you can have larger unit sizes and still stay within table limits. Your bank can also be smaller than mine since all you need are 80 units and I need 844.
So far in my practice sessions, I have been very pleased with the results. I am just in testing mode right now. I'll see how things look. I'm shooting for 50 units won each session and so far they have come very easy. I play both directions at the same time (from left to right and then back to left and also from right to left and back to right) and on both columns and dozens. That means 4 bets per line which is maybe a little much for real play situations. I can usually win my 50 units in 80-100 spins which is about an hour and a half on my airball machine.
How I play is a personal preference. All I can say is I thank you and A for this method. It's the most promising I've seen to date. As I have stated elsewhere, one of my investments is $10,000 that's earning very little at the moment, but it's safe. It is set aside to be used for the system that I determine is a long term winner. I'll see if I can double it every year. If so, in 5 years it'll be $160,000. I'm still a working bloke, so I'm in no hurry. Like I said, it's sitting in a very safe place and going no where.
This may be the one. If I determine that your method is safer/better, I'll drop mine in a heartbeat. Knowledge is what I'm after, not ego gratification.
Cheers to you and yours,
George
Glc you make some good points. It is all about personal preferences, bankroll limits etc. What I try to do is present a method that not only is a longterm winner. But affordable to newbies. Its easy for you and me to say well risk 1000 units on a method because we have it to play with.
I personally play 160 units on both CODE 4 and THE REVERSE SLIDE. But it will be off putting and daunting to the average player to suggest they risk 842 units on a method that A, is in its infancy and B, will be way beyond their pockets.
I already know that if you risked 800 units on several methods youd never lose. Even the PATTERN BREAKER would never lose if I formulated it with a 800 units progression.
So we enter the game with a compromise. I'm pretty sure if I came on this forum and said I have a method that never loses for a five unit risk. Id have some serious interest. But there isnt nor everwill be such a method. Randoms beatable there is no question about that.
But you have to gauge its biting point with both the right method and right progression. You must also take RECOVERY into consideration. Some months down the line we will have an idea of how good THE REVERSE SLIDE really is.
I'm seriously expecting a true 500/1 strikerate with this gem played HIT AND RUN. When I do eventually lose I will recover the loss in 20 games. YOU SENSE IT ALREADY GLC. And I know it, Atlantis's superb observation. And my relentless testing and pushing of this idea, has delivered as you stated. Possibly not only the best MATRIX method EVER. But the best method ever.
Time is the teller of course. But its performing so within itself, it just feels so natural as a winner. Its a definate roulette killer. The only question is by what margin??
Quote from: amk on Aug 21, 07:52 PM 2011
Thank you Johnlegend for sharing all that you know...........
Before I landed on the forum I found myself lost in a maze.........
It is incredible to look back at only 4 short months and see the giant leaps taken forward...............
Amk you are part of those leaps, you took from me and came back with the great CODE 4. Now Atlantis through his relentless experimentation has hit gold again. I just quickly realized how good his observation was.
So yes, there are no excuses anymore, randoms well and truly defeated with this one.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 20, 04:49 PM 2011
Here's an interesting observation. I just checked those same spins against TurboGenius' system where he bets that the last for dozens won't spin in the same sequence again. In other words if the last 4 spins were 1323 he bets against 1323 spinning in the next for spins. I just expanded the idea to 6 instead of 4 to see how the results would stack up against the reverse slide idea and in my 3500 spins, I got very similar results but the slide edged out as a safer bet. Granted 3500 spins is just a drop in the bucket for testing purposes, but it does show a tendency.
Betting that the last 6 don't repeat:
Over 850 wins.
Bet the 4th level 27-27 nine times.
Bet the 5th level 80-80 one time.
Never had to bet the 243-243 level.
Just for info.
Hey JL. Why don't you erase my last few posts and I'll copy them to a new topic under Notepad so they don't create white noise on this topic. That way everything on this topic will be about your original method. :thumbsup:
GLC
I play Reverse dozens 4 a while. Never lost in 300+ games. But it is just pure luck.
All d fancy matrixes loose at some time. I lost FIRST ever game of CODE 4 played n some people report winning streaks of hundreds ;D
So prefer faster turnover methods but they loose all at some point.
I won 300+ games playing dozens so i will be ahead. KISS keep it simple ;D
Check my EC Up n Downer. It has some merit n will always work in long run ;D
But u need some bankroll.
Regards
Yes just done my 1st TEST run 64 Spins ... Doubled my money... RNG... Looking Great... What I did was have 2 going on the 1 matrix and I was NOT WAITING for 1 1 1 1 I was doing ANY sequence and betting against it... Still worked...
1 st off I've done my my 1st 64 spins and doubled my money...
2nd I didn't wait for ANY perfect pattern... I just Bet against ANY sequence...
3rd I was doing 2 at once on the same 4x4 Right to Left and Left to Right
diagonal....
4th This is what I wanted to share with YOU!! Why does it Work... ?? And Why is it better than Matrix...
So for ANY one to correctly pick a 3rd 4 times in a row the odds are 1-81
So WHAT THIS SYSTEM DOES is SAYS that 81-1 is VERY HIGHLY unlikely going to repeat... Twice so if 81-1 comes up twice EXACTLY are not the odds 6500 -1
and 5th you can do it Diagonal TWICE and as a ROW and As a Column...
And you can bet this by using 26 Chips to Beat 81-1 as You said I haven't had to gone to 4 yet... LoL
I love it... It may be the MISSING LINK....
Quote from: Newlight on Aug 22, 06:58 AM 2011
Yes just done my 1st TEST run 64 Spins ... Doubled my money... RNG... Looking Great... What I did was have 2 going on the 1 matrix and I was NOT WAITING for 1 1 1 1 I was doing ANY sequence and betting against it... Still worked...
:) U did 64 spins? how about 6400? then u will have some idea. Play some
short series like John said n pray that law of probabilities works in yr favor.
Test it thoroughly n follow d instructions of d guys that did it b4.
We r here out 2 help each other 2 get bk at casinos ;D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 22, 03:11 AM 2011
I play Reverse dozens 4 a while. Never lost in 300+ games. But it is just pure luck.
All d fancy matrixes lose at some time. I lost FIRST ever game of CODE 4 played n some people report winning streaks of hundreds ;D
So prefer faster turnover methods but they lose all at some point.
I won 300+ games playing dozens so i will be ahead. KISS keep it simple ;D
Check my EC Up n Downer. It has some merit n will always work in long run ;D
But u need some bankroll.
Regards
Thanks for the heads up on your ec Up n Downer. I will check it out when I get time. I'm always interested when someone says it will "always" work in the long run. The long run doesn't scare me. It's the table limit that scares me.
George
Hello GLC
:) U need some money 2 make some some more n i consider this a business.
Happy testing n i dont think u will have more questions ;D
Regards
switched my post to CODE 4............
What I LOVE about this sytem you are betting 81-1 won't repeat back to back... the odds of guessing a 3rd (4 times) is 81-1 and that happening exactly the odds look GREAT!!!!!!!!!
Again I bet against ANY SEQUENCE 1223
2311 and a way to do it is a COLD bet so you wait for 2 3rd's to replicate or even just 1 numbers that bet against the FUTURE and if you say waited for 2 cold bets and bet 3 extra times the odds are even creater
I think any how.... I honestly say this is as close to the HOLY Grail anyones going to get...
Hello everyone.
I have few question to ask > <
Here it's number that pratikpop asked.
3123
3133
1211
1121
2313 Should we start bet here? Bet 2 and 3
3123
2332
If you noticed, there is a "diagonal" in second line. Do we track every ""diagonal" ?
even it didn't start from top right or top left sidelike "red" number below? ( top left and top right )
3123
3133
1211
1121
Or ...we only track "diagonal" number that started from top left and top right?
Quote from: grayen on Aug 23, 12:14 AM 2011
Hello everyone.
I have few question to ask > <
Here it's number that pratikpop asked.
3123
3133
1211
1121
2313 Should we start bet here? Bet 2 and 3
3123
2332
If you noticed, there is a "diagonal" in second line. Do we track every ""diagonal" ?
even it didn't start from top right or top left sidelike "red" number below? ( top left and top right )
3123
3133
1211
1121
Or ...we only track "diagonal" number that started from top left and top right?
Could go each way (as they say in Gee-Gee's racin!!! lol)
232
111
12
2
113
1223
3
112
22
12
233
1Or
1322
2
112
22
13
333
121
12
3
122
1223
(just wondered.)
I gather we only bet AT the diagonal position, and always betting AGAINST the diagonal forming
Quote from: pratikpop on Aug 23, 01:16 AM 2011
HEY I LOST ON FOURTH PROGRESSION TODAY FIRST TIME
WAS PLAYING AT BETVOYAGER RNG
As I see in an previous post of you, you´re betting against any matrix formed by 2 different dozens/columns. First I did the same, but I got too much losses with that (BV NZ wheel).
The first 296 spins I got with this method, I had 2 losses and a plus of 13 (only examined the dozens).
When I would have played against every matrix (with 3 different dozens, also), I would have lost 37 units.
Actually I play after 2 dozens/columns are starting to form a diagonal and bet against it (inspired by GLC´s method, but for his method I don´t have the BR)
Really big respect to atlantis and Johnlegend for bringing us these promising method! (and of course to GLC for sharing his improvement with us) :thumbsup:
Quote from: grayen on Aug 23, 12:14 AM 2011
Here it's number that pratikpop asked.
3123
3133
1211
1121
2313 Should we start bet here? Bet 2 and 3
3123
2332
If you noticed, there is a "diagonal" in second line. Do we track every ""diagonal" ?
AFAIK we track only a diagonal starting on the first line. If you think about it, this system could be re formulated as betting against a D/C that repeats every five spins three times and then every three spins three times. So a pattern that starts in the second line is just like a pattern starting on the first line in a matrix new that starts one spin later than the current one.. You don't really need to write down another matrix, just count if those 1,1,1 are repeating every 5-5-5-3-3-3.
Jeromin
Example of playing MATRIX SLIDE as normal but only using reverse SLIDE after a losing bet...
I record results and mix doz and col in code 4 style (alternate lines) then look to bet ONCE against a perfect diagonal slide occurring eg. against 1-1-1-1 happening on a slide. (left or right)
Only If I lose the bet do I then immediately commence betting against the dozen (or column) continuing to form a complete REVERSE SLIDE:
[reveal]
2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c - first 12 results
b 2 a 2
3 b 3 a
a 2 c 3
3 c 2 b
c 1 c 2
3 b 3 a
a 1 b 2
1 b 1 a
b 1 a 3
3 b 3 c
c 2 a 2
1 c 3 a
c 3 a 3
1 b 3 b
c 3 b 2
2 b 1 b - W col1 (3-3-3-2)
c 2 a 1 - W col1 (b-b-b-c)
2 b 3 a
b 1 b 3
3 a 2 c
c 1 a 3
2 b 1 a
a 1 b 3
2 a 2 a
b 1 c 2
2 c 3 b
a 1 b 3
3 b 1 a
b 1 c 2 - L col1 (b-b-b-b)
2 a 2 a - W col2 (using reverse slide b-b-b-b-a)
b 3 c 3
3 a 3 a
b 1 a 2
1 c 2 c
a 3 b 3
3 c 2 b
a 3 b 2
3 b 2 a
c 2 c 1 - W col1 (b-b-b-c)
3 a 3 c - W col1 (2-2-2-3)
a 2 b 2
2 a 1 b
b 2 a 3
2 b 3 c - W col4 (a-a-a-c)
a 2 b 1
3 c 3 c - W col4 (b-b-b-c)
b 1 c 3
2 c 3 c
b 2 c 3 - W col1 (c-c-c-b)
3 b 3 c
c 2 a 2
2 c 1 c
a 3 c 2
3 b 2 c - L col4 (c-c-c-c)
a 3 a 1 - W col3 (using reverse slide c-c-c-c-a)
1 a 1 b
b 3 a 2
+9
[/reveal]
A.
Had a test on RNG (BV NZ).
After 100 spins appeared to be a winner, +9 units.
Well,it takes a looooong time to find a trigger to bet...And if you're playing with chips of 0.10E,it may take the whole day to get 10 E.
By the way,a question : "Betting against 1st dozen" means? Does that mean that we have to bet 2nd and 3rd dozens or the 1st one only?
Can someone please explain me that?
Cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 23, 08:22 AM 2011
Had a test on RNG (BV NZ).
After 100 spins appeared to be a winner, +9 units.
Well,it takes a looooong time to find a trigger to bet...And if you're playing with chips of 0.10E,it may take the whole day to get 10 E.
By the way,a question : "Betting against 1st dozen" means? Does that mean that we have to bet 2nd and 3rd dozens or the 1st one only?
Hi MaximB,
Patience is the key. Why not use fastspin on BV rng for quicker play/test? Also JL recommends playing for small number of wins then stop (hit n run)
"Betting against 1st dozen": Yes that means opposing dozen 1 and betting the other 2 dozens.
For faster trigger and more bets you can play the SLIDE against symmetrically balanced QUADS forming eg:
2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c - first 12 results [From Now On Only Bet Column 1 and Column 4)
b 2 a 2 - w+1@col1 (bet against a-a-c-c) ; w+1@col4 (bet against 2-2-1-1)
3 b 3 a - w+1@col1 (bet against 2-1-2-1) ; w+1@col4 (bet against a-c-a-c)
a 2 c 3 - no bet@col1 ; L-2@col4 (bet against 2-2-3-3)
3 c 2 b - L-6@col1 (bet against 2-3-2-3) ; w+9@col4 (bet against b-b-c-c)
c 1 c 2 - w+1@col1 (bet against a-c-c-a) ; w+1@col4 (bet against 3-2-2-3)
3 b 3 a - no bet@col1 ; L-2@col4 (bet against a-c-c-a)
a 1 b 2 - w+3@col1 (bet against b-c-b-c) ; w+1@col4 (bet against 3-1-3-1)
1 b 1 a - no bet@col1 ; w+1@col4 (bet against c-b-b-c)
+10 in 44 spins. Highest bet=9-9. 13 bets placed.
Notice in the above game snippet I did not use the REVERSE SLIDE at any point. Played SLIDE only.
A.
Hello Atlantida!
Nice results, how do you play if appear 0.
Quote from: donik7777 on Aug 23, 12:34 PM 2011
Hello Atlantida!
Nice results, how do you play if appear 0.
You can record the 0 in the matrix grid.
If the 0 happens on your bet then it is a loss of course. If a 0 appears in a left or right diagonal SLIDE then that is classed as a void line - so no bet on that slide in column 1 or column 4. (You can't have a symmetrical QUAD with a zero present)
A.
Thanks for quickly answer Atlantis!
Thanks for the responce Atlantis.
The thing I don't understand - want kind of matrix you use?
You know...I am writing down the results of spins like:
Dozs:
1322
2112
2213
3331
2112
3122
1223
Cols:
ABCB
CCAA
ACCB
ACAB
BBAC
etc.
And you're writing down like this:
2a2b
a2b3
1a2b
3c3b
1c3b
b3c3
. . .
Why and how? What those numbers and letters stand for? And how do you see the diagonal/trigger to bet?
The way I write looks more clearly: A,B,C - colums, 1,2,3 - dozens.
And your's one,kind of,not understandable to me lol
can you explaine this,please.
I have been testing this since a buddy told me about it, this is really really strong.
I just wait for 111 222 333 in the diagonal pattern then bet against it so far I have gone to the second step of the progression.
I dont know why this works but it sure as heck does and really well.
Stuart
What are your stats at the moment bikemotorman..............
The only stat I know is that it wins way more then it loses, as long as I stick to the rules.
What we need is a good dummy bet while we wait for the diagonal pattern of 111 222 333
1122
3122
2213
1133 I won here I played against doz 1 it really is quite simple as long as you can wait for the pattern to appear.
Stuart
Nice one!
Can this also be played on a RNG? I think that a live wheel will take more than half an hour to generate a signal?
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 23, 05:00 PM 2011
And you're writing down like this:
2a2b
a2b3
1a2b
3c3b <-------- this is wrong. you should write it down as in first 2 lines! You begin 1 line with doz.
1c3b and second with col. and so on...... Then you will get slides of dozs and cols.
b3c3
And if REVERSE SLIDE is strong, then this "REVERSE SLIDE - CODE4 STYLE" should be even stronger.... ???
You need to keep a two cols of results one for the Cols and one for the Dozs.
When you play both you will get more chances to play, but this is very solid system.
Stuart
I just played for about 40 minutes and had one chance to play, but I won anyway.
DOZ 2111 2312 2313 1321 1123 1232 2122 1231 3322 1323
I won above I had my diagonal 222 then bet against the forth was going to come in.
Stuart
DOZ 2111 2312 2313 1321 1123 1232 2122 1231 3322 1323
could someone play these decisions for me i think there is a loser in these selections
1211
2332
1323
3222
2222
2221
1132
1112
3211
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 24, 09:35 AM 2011
could someone play these decisions for me i think these is a loser in these selections
1211
2332
1323
3222
2222
2221
1132
1112
3211
I would bet like this:
1211
2332
1323
3222 triger 333
2222 no bet , W hit doz 2, new trigger222
2221 no bet, L1 hit doz 2, new trigger 222
1132 no bet, W hit doz 1, W hit doz 3
1112
3211 new trigger 111
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 24, 09:35 AM 2011
could someone play these decisions for me i think there is a loser in these selections
1211
2332
1323
3222
2222
2221
1132
1112
3211
Stormy, no loser there. I see 3 triggers
1211
2332 This #2 begins 1 trigger
1323
3222 This #2 begins another trigger
2222 Here we start betting 1st trigger
2221 The 2 in the 2nd row is where the two slides cross
1132 This line wins the 2nd slide (1) and the 1st slide (3).
1112
3211 The three 1's are a new trigger had you kept going.
I think this is the way JL and A suggest playing it.
Kattila shows another way. There are many options with these matrices.
G
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 23, 06:45 AM 2011
Example of playing MATRIX SLIDE as normal but only using reverse SLIDE after a losing bet...
I record results and mix doz and col in code 4 style (alternate lines) then look to bet ONCE against a perfect diagonal slide occurring e.g.. against 1-1-1-1 happening on a slide. (left or right)
Only If I lose the bet do I then immediately commence betting against the dozen (or column) continuing to form a complete REVERSE SLIDE:
[reveal]
2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c - first 12 results
b 2 a 2
3 b 3 a
a 2 c 3
3 c 2 b
c 1 c 2
3 b 3 a
a 1 b 2
1 b 1 a
b 1 a 3
3 b 3 c
c 2 a 2
1 c 3 a
c 3 a 3
1 b 3 b
c 3 b 2
2 b 1 b - W col1 (3-3-3-2)
c 2 a 1 - W col1 (b-b-b-c)
2 b 3 a
b 1 b 3
3 a 2 c
c 1 a 3
2 b 1 a
a 1 b 3
2 a 2 a
b 1 c 2
2 c 3 b
a 1 b 3
3 b 1 a
b 1 c 2 - L col1 (b-b-b-b)
2 a 2 a - W col2 (using reverse slide b-b-b-b-a)
b 3 c 3
3 a 3 a
b 1 a 2
1 c 2 c
a 3 b 3
3 c 2 b
a 3 b 2
3 b 2 a
c 2 c 1 - W col1 (b-b-b-c)
3 a 3 c - W col1 (2-2-2-3)
a 2 b 2
2 a 1 b
b 2 a 3
2 b 3 c - W col4 (a-a-a-c)
a 2 b 1
3 c 3 c - W col4 (b-b-b-c)
b 1 c 3
2 c 3 c
b 2 c 3 - W col1 (c-c-c-b)
3 b 3 c
c 2 a 2
2 c 1 c
a 3 c 2
3 b 2 c - L col4 (c-c-c-c)
a 3 a 1 - W col3 (using reverse slide c-c-c-c-a)
1 a 1 b
b 3 a 2
+9
[/reveal]
A.
BIG A are you testing this genius idea?
So why does this seem to work, does anyone have any input regarding the WHY this works.
Stuart
Just had this little stretch.
DOZ
2232
2313
3233
3221
3332
2133
3333
3231
2333
3221
Quote from: warrior on Aug 24, 10:30 AM 2011
BIG A are you testing this genius idea?
Hi warrior,
Well I'm glad you like it. I think it to be a strong alternative to the ORIGINAL way JL posted.
If playing for real I would so far definately play the original - or this form of code 4 style matrix variation. (I have yet to play real money game)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 24, 11:51 AM 2011
Hi warrior,
Well I'm glad you like it. I think it to be a strong alternative to the ORIGINAL way JL posted.
If playing for real I would so far definately play the original - or this form of code 4 style matrix variation. (I have yet to play real money game)
A.
:thumbsup:
Still doing well with this method, I was told it would be much stronger if I waited for this.
1222
1133
3211
3331
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
No play against dozen one is that correct.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 24, 03:31 PM 2011
Still doing well with this method, I was told it would be much stronger if I waited for this.
Stuart
What exactly are U trying to show us? The diagonal line of ones? Or something Else Stuart?
cheers
Yes that is what it looks like is the most safe play, that was dozens only, if we play cols and dozens we may be able to play every 12 minutes or so.
Stuart
Just played this series, I had two bets in one hour.
DOZ COL 2211 1222 2223 3111 3212 1222 1213 2321 3131 2112 3221 2333 3123 2322 2212 1221 3332 2131 3311 3213 2312 2312 2132 1321 2222 1312
DOZ COL 2211 1222 2223 3111 3212 1222 1213 2321 3131 2112 3221 2333 3123 2322 2212 1221 3332 2131 3311 3213 2312 2312 2132 1321 2222 1312
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 23, 07:50 PM 2011
The only stat I know is that it wins way more then it loses, as long as I stick to the rules.
What we need is a good dummy bet while we wait for the diagonal pattern of 111 222 333
1122
3122
2213
1133 I won here I played against doz 1 it really is quite simple as long as you can wait for the pattern to appear.
Stuart
Hello bikemotorman,
Do you have a rough estimate of your stats.........? wins etc........
pratikpop
+1
I doubt he's going to make a tracker... Somewhy he closed his MST's projects and refused to make any other softwares for the forum-community. I guess,he's disappointed because of a low support from the society ( in other words,I guess noone hasn't donated for his hard spent hours making programs for the thanksless people as we are...Yeah...I haven't donated either because so far,didn't make an euro using the software,and this doesn't mean that the software is useless,but because I was testing several scripted methods of playing and haven't discovered any from those that can win in the LONG term). But ofcourse it's only the guess - noone but Ophis knows the thruth.
Sorry for offtopic.
Cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 25, 07:57 AM 2011
pratikpop
+1
I doubt he's going to make a tracker... Somewhy he closed his MST's projects and refused to make any other softwares for the forum-community. I guess,he's disappointed because of a low support from the society ( in other words,I guess no one hasn't donated for his hard spent hours making programs for the thanksless people as we are...Yeah...I haven't donated either because so far,didn't make an euro using the software,and this doesn't mean that the software is useless,but because I was testing several scripted methods of playing and haven't discovered any from those that can win in the LONG term). But ofcourse it's only the guess - no one but Ophis knows the thruth.
Sorry for offtopic.
Cheers
MaximB you obviously didn't do it at the right way. Because almost all methods are winners in the long term there(otherwise they wouldnt be in MST) if you apply them properly, as any other sustainable method.
I told everyone whoever asked me about MST that is not enough to click without knowing what and why are you doing. You will be "down" very soon.
It is good to know apply every system "manualy" and to do your own tests on live numbers. So you could get confidence and to learn systems "behaviour", to say it like that. You have to know how much you can "push" the system, i mean to know when to stop in profit, how many and how strong fluctuations you can expect with system.
After that you have to know how to set up MST, because he has many options and they can be diferrent from system to system. Not to play on RNG because that is NOT ROULETTE.
Above all you must not fall into gamblers fallacy because MST is just briliant tool, it is not magical stick. There is no too much magic about it in the end. All magic lies in Ophises hard work and knowledge of coding. After that it is all on you, as it was before you clicked on MST icon. In other words as it would be without it...
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 25, 11:24 AM 2011
MaximB you obviously didn't do it at the right way. Because almost all methods are winners in the long term there(otherwise they wouldnt be in MST) if you apply them properly, as any other sustainable method.
I told everyone whoever asked me about MST that is not enough to click without knowing what and why are you doing. You will be "down" very soon.
It is good to know apply every system "manualy" and to do your own tests on live numbers. So you could get confidence and to learn systems "behaviour", to say it like that. You have to know how much you can "push" the system, i mean to know when to stop in profit, how many and how strong fluctuations you can expect with system.
After that you have to know how to set up MST, because he has many options and they can be diferrent from system to system. Not to play on RNG because that is NOT ROULETTE.
Above all you must not fall into gamblers fallacy because MST is just briliant tool, it is not magical stick. There is no too much magic about it in the end. All magic lies in Ophises hard work and knowledge of coding. After that it is all on you, as it was before you clicked on MST icon. In other words as it would be without it...
Regards
Drazen
Drazen says: ''almost all methods are winners in the long term there'' "You have to know how much you can "push" the system, i mean to know when to stop in profit"
My question is: Drazen you are a serious? We all know that all system here is losing on long run! WINING SYSTEM IS WINING NO METTER HOW LONG WE PLAY OR WHEN STOP AND START AGAIN!!!
Quote from: MadMax on Aug 23, 02:45 AM 2011
As I see in an previous post of you, you´re betting against any matrix formed by 2 different dozens/columns. First I did the same, but I got too much losses with that (BV NZ wheel).
The first 296 spins I got with this method, I had 2 losses and a plus of 13 (only examined the dozens).
When I would have played against every matrix (with 3 different dozens, also), I would have lost 37 units.
Actually I play after 2 dozens/columns are starting to form a diagonal and bet against it (inspired by GLC´s method, but for his method I don´t have the BR)
Really big respect to atlantis and Johnlegend for bringing us these promising method! (and of course to GLC for sharing his improvement with us) :thumbsup:
My advice is stay away from BV NO ZERO. Its not roulette. Ask yourself this, "why dont they take the ZERO OFF A REAL WHEEL? House edge is far easier to beat than a manmade scam. Keep that in mind.
U guys could have a tracker, if enough of U Pool together, and make a nice donation to Chris(Ophis), for him to do the work.
I just know he would do that then.
Coders just can't work for nothing U know.
In my opinion:-This would cover it. (Total amount, so just divide it between Urselves, and anyone else who wants in)
[reveal]$100[/reveal]
[reveal]If 30 ppl come together on this, then that's less than a Cheap Burger meal each![/reveal]
Do you guys think BetVoyager is bad?
Yeah Chris,that's the thing I was talking about.
If he would create a self playing bot on the basis of the MST software,that would support those casinos forumers prefer the most like BV,Dublinbet (at least,I believe so that,the most of forum members play there ;) ) and would include all the systems MST do - that would be just AMAZING!
Cheers
yes vladir bet voyajer is bad as any other rng.i turn 25 euro to 320 euro and withdraw since then whenever i play gives me funny numbers like numer 12 hits in 7 spins 5 times or 28 hits 4 times in raw i know random very well but this was over the top...whenever i put on numbers this numbers go to sleep i checked it so many times no matter chip value...you put 200 euro in and then you bet smallest value chips it gives you hits but if you but bigger value chips say 1 euro or more they hit at precise time when you either in - or plus 1 so software knows how much to let you win...is good rng better than others but still rng does not allow to take it for a ride...happy winings :wink:
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 25, 03:04 PM 2011
Yeah Chris,that's the thing I was talking about.
If he would create a self playing bot on the basis of the MST software,that would support those casinos forumers prefer the most like BV,Dublinbet (at least,I believe so that,the most of forum members play there ;) ) and would include all the systems MST do - that would be just AMAZING!
Cheers
But..............there's a cost!
I know, Ophis did not receive much Financial Support from those members who Downloaded, and Subsequently used the MST tracker System ......and hence its TOO early Demise!
Therefore, its only Right He gets paid, for a job done.
Looks like there are three of U so far, who are willing to pay.
Any more takers...?
[reveal]U see, this is the time, when People really need to Stand Up, and be COUNTED!
If U want something, U usually have to pay for it![/reveal]
Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 25, 03:32 PM 2011
But..............there's a cost!
I know, Ophis did not receive much Financial Support from those members who Downloaded, and Subsequently used the MST tracker System ......and hence its TOO early Demise!
Therefore, its only Right He gets paid, for a job done.
Looks like there are three of U so far, who are willing to pay.
Any more takers...?
[reveal]U see, this is the time, when People really need to Stand Up, and be COUNTED!
If U want something, U usually have to pay for it![/reveal]
Count me in too.. especially for a bot ;)
I have a silly question and maybe someone asked it before, but why the patterns 1111, 2222 or 3333 ? Why not any pattern? See this ones here for example:
1231
2232
3223
3331
I marked 2 colours, why not play against one of them or both of them? For red it would be 221, for green, 231 . Shouldn't the odds be same of this events occuring, regardless of 1111 or 1221 or any other pattern?
Eh,I guess we went too far "off topicing" :)
Anyway,my guess is - there should be created a thread by some respected forum user,with the head-name like "A little gift to our friend" or smth. In the topic,it must be written what Ophis did,what contribute he made in developing the idea of beating roulette,how much he helped to nearly everyone of us and how much effort he put in... Would be great.
Hey guys this is still really working well, now I did get to the third step in the progression but I won that one lol.
It is hard to do the Dozs and Cols at the same time, the tracking at least.
Stuart :smile:
I only wait for the three 111 222 333 in the diagonal formation, be it left to right, or right to left as long as it is a diagonal.
Stuart
My first post here after reading and trying many methods for several months. I wrote an excel file to check some of the methods posted here.
I'm not sure whether all the formula are correct but you can see and try it. I hope it is useful for the community.
I initially made this file for my own use so some of them may not be self-explanatory. The spins on Data tab are all from random.org and Excel's randombetween() function. So, they are all RNG and not live data but you can use your own data in Test Data Column and put "A" (Active) above it.
Hello! THX JohnLegend for your advice. :)
I have to admit that I have doubts about BVs RNG, since I´ve made the same experience like maestro. Everything works fine until I made my first "bigger" withdrawal. From that point on nothing is working. ??? Off course, every system will fail sometimes, but I can´t believe, that this could happen so often in such different ways like it happens to me now. For example, meanwhile I got a "perfect" slide of dozen 3, happend in the second day of tests. >:(
But why I´m posting: I made myself an excell-sheet for easier tracking the patterns, I want to share with you. It doesn´t make the work for you to find out when to bet, but you only have to input the spun numbers and the sheet is inserting the columns and dozens for you. The sheet has two tables. The first one is for 4 spins, giving you a result like 1 2 1 3 a a c b. The second one is for 2 spins, resulting like
1 a 2 a
c 1 b 3.
I hope, this will make your work a little bit easier.
So, good luck to all. :thumbsup:
I would also be willing to contribute for ophis
metalrat
Quote from: speed on Aug 25, 12:24 PM 2011
Drazen says: ''almost all methods are winners in the long term there'' "You have to know how much you can "push" the system, i mean to know when to stop in profit"
My question is: Drazen you are a serious? We all know that all system here is losing on long run! WINING SYSTEM IS WINING NO METTER HOW LONG WE PLAY OR WHEN STOP AND START AGAIN!!!
Yes my friend i am serious. Winning in long term means short periods(daily basis) of playing. To win more than lose in lets say month. Sum of the end is important.
You said no matter how long we play... Well of course it does. Why? Because it is game with negative mathematical coefficient. On every spin you are practicaly losing -2.7 and if you are playing long enough it will eat you. You have to be aware of that. All this you said to me is gamblers fallacy my friend.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 26, 08:53 AM 2011
Yes my friend i am serious. Winning in long term means short periods(daily basis) of playing. To win more than lose in lets say month. Sum of the end is important.
You said no matter how long we play... Well of course it does. Why? Because it is game with negative mathematical coefficient. On every spin you are practicaly losing -2.7 and if you are playing long enough it will eat you. You have to be aware of that. All this you said to me is gamblers fallacy my friend.
Regards
Drazen
Drazen i know about house edge 2.7, but on franch roulette can be reduced to 1.35.I think maybe i know roulette wheel more than you. You think that u can defeat roulatte with month!? Long run it not month, and it not years,LONG RUN IS MORE THEN 500000 BET SPIN!!! Stop loss and stop win will not Help! All serious players know that. What gamblers fallacy!? I'm not saying that the wining system does not exist, only i said that on internet no free wining system..
Ok good news and bad news I just won on the last step of our progression on the dozens.
I think it may be more safe to wait for four 1111 2222 3333 to start our progression.
1122
2122
3313
3321 Now play against doz 1 to till we win.
Stuart
5
15
45
135
405
I made a little tracker paper so we can fill out the dozs and cols.
Check it out.
Stuart
Quote from: vladir on Aug 25, 04:51 PM 2011
I have a silly question and maybe someone asked it before, but why the patterns 1111, 2222 or 3333 ? Why not any pattern? See this ones here for example:
1231
2232
3223
3331
I marked 2 colours, why not play against one of them or both of them? For red it would be 221, for green, 231 . Shouldn't the odds be same of this events occuring, regardless of 1111 or 1221 or any other pattern?
In theory you could do any pattern. But I am staying with the same column or dozen because its working very well. I still haven't seen a reverse slide of the same dozen or column. I have seen a reverse slide a few times of a mixed pattern. Hope that anwsers your question.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE REVERSE SLIDE FOR 26/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 420
TOTAL GAMES WON 420
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 840 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 203
STEP 2 WINS 167
STEP 3 WINS 49
STEP 4 WINS 1
This method is very, very solid. I have been taken to the fourth step only once in 420 played games. This is staggering. I have continued to play 4 game sessions. In comparison the other great method CODE 4 would have lost 5 times over the same span of four game sessions. There is no question this overall is looking like the best method I have ever seen. What drew my interest from the moment Atlantis suggested this idea. Was in all the time I have been recording the matrix concept. I have never seen a reverse slide not ONCE. I couldnt say that for anyother method.
Next update at the first significant milestone 500 games played....
Hey John,
This method is real solid, but do you start with 111 or 1111 diagonals.
It makes a big change, I had a couple of close calls using just 333 diagonals.
What is your way to play.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 26, 09:50 PM 2011
Hey John,
This method is real solid, but do you start with 111 or 1111 diagonals.
It makes a big change, I had a couple of close calls using just 333 diagonals.
What is your way to play.
Stuart
Hi Stuart I use the 111 diagonals method for a total of 80 units risk over four steps. But I am playing 4 game hit and run sessions Stuart that's the big difference to how others may be playing. Even doing this I've experienced my first test in game 397. Where I was taken to step 4. But after 397 games come on. That is some run....
Wow that is pretty good, I may even take this for a test drive at the nearest Casino, but that is 242 miles from my house lol.
I would have to bring five Grand in bankroll and would expect to profit 500 bucks to make it worth my time and effort plus driving lol.
Stuart Oh John are you in the States.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 26, 09:57 PM 2011
Hi Stuart I use the 111 diagonals method for a total of 80 units risk over four steps. But I am playing 4 game hit and run sessions Stuart that's the big difference to how others may be playing. Even doing this I've experienced my first test in game 397. Where I was taken to step 4. But after 397 games come on. That is some run....
John can you post a difficult session on how you would play it the are a few differant versions of this around i am not sure how it is played and where the triggers fit
Regards Rodney
Any news on a tracker?
You can print out my little tracker, and just put results in with a Pen or pencil.
Stuart
It is attached.
Thanks, it is just at some online casino's, there is very little time to
study formations of triggers. Chrisbis mentioned that Ophis might be
inclined to make one if paid.
I just played this stretch for almost an hour.
I have attached a scan of my results, I won three games.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 26, 10:16 PM 2011
Wow that is pretty good, I may even take this for a test drive at the nearest Casino, but that is 242 miles from my house LoL.
I would have to bring five Grand in bankroll and would expect to profit 500 bucks to make it worth my time and effort plus driving LoL.
Stuart Oh John are you in the States.
No Stuart I am British living in london UK...
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 27, 05:06 AM 2011
John can you post a difficult session on how you would play it the are a few differant versions of this around i am not sure how it is played and where the triggers fit
Regards Rodney
HI Rodney, there has only been one game where I was taken to step 4 of the progression. I take it you consider that a difficult game/session. What we have here is a definitive roulette killer. And I can ONLY advise it s played against the same COLUMN OR DOZEN. As my NOW 440 consecutive winning games have resulted from playing in this fashion. EXAMPLE.
1223
2133
1312--TRIGGER DOZEN 1 left to right
1221--STEP 1 LOST
1223--STEP 2 WON
Stay with the same dozen or column its working like a dream. I can visualize a ridiculous strike rate for this gem. It absolutely defies the laws of probability played in 4 game sessions.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 26, 09:57 PM 2011
Hi Stuart I use the 111 diagonals method for a total of 80 units risk over four steps. But I am playing 4 game hit and run sessions Stuart that's the big difference to how others may be playing. Even doing this I've experienced my first test in game 397. Where I was taken to step 4. But after 397 games come on. That is some run....
Hi JL,r u playing on rng or live wheels?
The only problem I can see is the doz or col you are playing against now wins six times in a row.
But this a game of chance and right now a better Chance then the Stock Market lol.
What are the results if we wait for the 1111 diagonals, if we could wait for that then play WOW.
I dont know if I have the patience for that play lol.
I will post another session later.
Stuart
Ok here is another session played on Jebet Dealer Lenka, about 40 minutes.
Check it out.
Stuart
drazon_cro:
"You said no matter how long we play... Well of course it does. Why? Because it is game with negative mathematical coefficient. On every spin you are practicaly losing -2.7 and if you are playing long enough it will eat you. You have to be aware of that."
I think this sums up HIT AND RUN the best I have ever heard JohnLegend.............
REVERSE SLIDE is looking very smooth.................
Sorry for going off topic JohnLegend but came across an interesting result while testing a method........
The sequence 1A1B1C came up once in 3500 spins.......... 3A3B3C didn't come up.......
Do you see any way in which we can use this stat to develop a solid method.............
Quote from: amk on Aug 27, 06:40 PM 2011
REVERSE SLIDE is looking very smooth.................
Sorry for going off topic JohnLegend but came across an interesting result while testing a method........
The sequence 1A1B1C came up once in 3500 spins.......... 3A3B3C didn't come up.......
Do you see any way in which we can use this stat to develop a solid method.............
you would have to bet 2 dozens and 2 columns,the MM is the most important on that kind of bet.
One more short session, check it out.
Stuart :)
Quote from: viclimks on Aug 27, 02:01 PM 2011
Hi JL,r u playing on rng or live wheels?
Viclimks, it should be common knowledge by now that RNGS are not roulette. You may aswell play slot machines. Because they are designed on the same principle 3 for me 1 for you. Play only LIVE DEALER or AIRBALL. Nothing else. If you play RNG you will not get the expected results.
Quote from: amk on Aug 27, 06:40 PM 2011
REVERSE SLIDE is looking very smooth.................
Sorry for going off topic JohnLegend but came across an interesting result while testing a method........
The sequence 1A1B1C came up once in 3500 spins.......... 3A3B3C didn't come up.......
Do you see any way in which we can use this stat to develop a solid method.............
i think this is interesting how were you testing this amk?
Monster session from 30 minutes ago check it out.
Table one live dealer Jebet.
I think this is 80 spins total.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 28, 04:29 PM 2011
Monster session from 30 minutes ago check it out.
Table one live dealer Jebet.
I think this is 80 spins total.
Went to the 3 stage of progression a few times
Has anyone busted a progression on this thing yet
Stuart
No I dont think anyone has busted the progression yet.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 28, 04:29 PM 2011
Monster session from 30 minutes ago check it out.
Table one live dealer Jebet.
I think this is 80 spins total.
Stuart
Stuart, Unless I'm missing something, I don't see a loss in those 80 spins.
If you're playing per JL's rules, you bet until you have 3 of the same number from left to right or from right to left and then you bet the it won't continue to form the reverse slide. That's 4 bets at 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27;
Example from your test:
columns
2 3 2 1
1 3 1 2
2 3 2 2
1 2 1 2 Right here you have the trigger
2 3 3 3 Here bet 1-1 against 2 and lose = -2
1 2 3 3 Here bet 3-3 against 2 and lose = -8
3 3 3 2 Here bet 9-9 against 2 and win = +1
Cheers,
George
Hello bikemotorman,
Your notes got me thinking...........
We are playing against a horizontal reverse slide forming using both a dozen and column matrix simultaneously.........
dozens columns
1311 2311
3112 1213 _ = 11 and 11 are the triggers
2311 2131
1221 2132 2 = win
Just an idea that can hopefully keep the game evolving..............
I forgot to mention that we record dozens and columns alternating........
First dozens then columns...........
dozens columns
2 3
Quote from: amk on Aug 28, 08:03 PM 2011
Hello bikemotorman,
Your notes got me thinking...........
We are playing against a horizontal reverse slide forming using both a dozen and column matrix simultaneously.........
dozens columns
1311 2311
3112 1213 _ = 11 and 11 are the triggers
2311 2131
1221 2132 2 = win
Just an idea that can hopefully keep the game evolving..............
interesting,we need hi speed testing some how paper and pen takes forever.
Quote from: amk on Aug 28, 08:29 PM 2011
I forgot to mention that we record dozens and columns alternating........
First dozens then columns...........
dozens columns
2 3
So we record a spin for a dozen then next spin goes into the column or do we allocate a column and a dozen for each spin
That is the way i thought it was being played and or tested
Rodney
Quote from: warrior on Aug 28, 08:50 AM 2011
i think this is interesting how were you testing this amk?
yes Warrior AMKs at it again, has he uncovered the holyest of holy ones. I am staying with a straight dozen or column for now guys, because as the saying goes if it aint broke dont try to fix it. But if AMKs tests show CODE SLIDER to be imregnable. We will have a new addition to the roulette killer family. Push on AMK....
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 29, 04:20 AM 2011
yes Warrior AMKs at it again, has he uncovered the holyest of holy ones. I am staying with a straight dozen or column for now guys, because as the saying goes if it ain't broke don't try to fix it. But if AMKs tests show CODE SLIDER to be imregnable. We will have a new addition to the roulette killer family. Push on AMK....
We are playing this as a hit and run are we not
i had a bust out on tests lost on the 5th leg of progression
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 29, 04:35 AM 2011
We are playing this as a hit and run are we not
i had a bust out on tests lost on the 5th leg of progression
Stormyace what are you testing on. And there is no 5th leg////????
I am testing this
2222
1333
3111
1112
3211
3313
2123
1311
1311
this is an example of one of my tests
Regards all
Just did this session and had good results.
Check it out.
Stuart
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 29, 08:35 AM 2011
I am testing this
2222
1333
3111
1112
3211
3313
2123
1311
1311
this is an example of one of my tests
Regards all
Im not with you, there are no qualifiers in that example for the REVERSE SLIDE as I play it.
Just had this on Jebet table 2, almost had a reversal, but almost lol. :o
Stuart :) :) :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 29, 03:06 PM 2011
I'm not with you, there are no qualifiers in that example for the REVERSE SLIDE as I play it.
I dont see a qualifier either.
Stuart
Stormyace,
You will always see loses when testing...........
The important thing to remember is how many loses happen per say 3000 spins. This will give a us a basic picture of the method.........
You might even have 10 loses but the spin gaps between losses is what we are focusing on...........
2222
1333
3111
1112
3211
3313
2123
1311
1311
Isn't the qualifier second row down starting at 1?
Warrior,
1A1B1C was just tested continually alternating between doz/col/doz/col/doz/col/doz/col...............
Also vertically in columns...........
2B1C
1C2C
1A2A
1B3A
1C
Also look forward to testing CODE SLIDER..............
One more session, a WILD RIDE it was lol.
Check it out Jebet table one I really think this method is a money maker for sure with the right progression.
Stuart
Well finally bombed out on skybet.
1331
1112
2112
3111
2201
3133
1232
Quote from: KoolKat on Aug 30, 01:53 AM 2011
Well finally bombed out on skybet.
1331
1112
2112
3111
2201
3133
1232
Hi KoolKat,
R U playing differently? I get 1 loss then 1 win then 1 loss. The zero voids a slide...
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 30, 03:02 AM 2011
Hi KoolKat,
R U playing differently? I get 1 loss then 1 win then 1 loss. The zero voids a slide...
A.
------------------
A,
i do think koolkat had a loss. Are u saying that u only play the reverse slide if no zero is in it?!...
1331
1112
2112 <----trigger
3111 <----here, lost 2u
2201
3133
1232
see if he's playing after the trigger, the zero came after he had already lost 2u. unless what ur saying is, if zero comes in the first 3 steps then take the loss, then he did bust the whole 80u
vundarosa
Guys, I Koolkat am Offically an unintelligent I should of realised that you take the loss after the Zero, this is the 3rd time i have bombed out. Twice on Code 4 and once on Slide, after a zero.
I only have a small bank role so will have to take really easy from now on, and remember to take the loss at zero.
By the way my words were not unintelligent :wink:
Thanks Guys
I always cover Zero guys.
I dont count zero in my results at all, because I cover it.
This method will lose eventually but that is ok, it just needs to win more then it loses.
Stuart
Todays results from ten minutes ago Jebet table one.
I wonder if this will work flat bet, but play for an hour at a time.
What if we waited for 1111 2222 3333, just a thought. :)
Stuart
Quote from: amk on Aug 29, 03:39 PM 2011
Warrior,
1A1B1C was just tested continually alternating between doz/col/doz/col/doz/col/doz/col...............
Also vertically in columns...........
2B1C
1C2C
1A2A
1B3A
1C
Also look forward to testing CODE SLIDER..............
thanks AMK interesting i think i will look at this :thumbsup:
More Results, if we were to wait for this, we would do very well with this method 1111 2222 3333.
Stuart ::)
Hey bike you don't record 0 in the matrix right?
No I always cover zero Always.
Stuart
Hi everyone!
After sharing my first Excell tracker for the reverse slide a few days ago, I made a new one, which signals you when to bet and how much to bet.
The tracker works the following way: enter the spun numbers starting in row 3, column 1 (beneath #1), the next number in row 3, column 2 (beneath #2) and so on. After entering 4 numbers, switch one row down and start again beneath #1 and continue.
The tracker signals you, when a slide from for example dozen 2 from right to left becomes ready to bet, using the rules Johnlegend verbalized in post 1. Then it will show "1 vs. 2" (meaning, bet 1 unit each against dozen 2) in the next betting line in the column #1, greater column "Dozens right to left".
There are 4 great columns, which will show you betting signals separately (Dozens from left to right, Dozens from right to left, Columns from left to right and Columns from right to left). Every great column is separatet in 4 smaller columns of #1, #2, #3 and #4, naming the number of the spin, where the bet in this line should be placed.
I hope, I could explain it understandable because of my insufficient English.
The sheet was made with OpenOffice and saved as an XLS, so I hope it will work with Excell correctly, what it should. I have nothing protected, so you can change what you want.
For any problems or questiones feel free to contact me.
Goot luck to all,
MadMax
Thank you! Seems it works good!
In another thread on double dozen progressions Nicksmi wrote:
Quote
This is one of the better progressions for double dozen betting, thanks to GLC and others.
Double Dozen Progression
Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins
If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for next 5 spins.
For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.
Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.
If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level, ie level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.
For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.
The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.
Cheers . . . Nick
Was thinking this could be played with the SLIDE for maybe added safety?
To get faster bets here is example game played in code 4 alternate fashion playing against left and right diagonal symmetrical quads:
2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c - first 12 results [From Now On Only Bet Column 1 and Column 4)
b 2 a 2 - w+1@col1 (bet against a-a-c-c) ; w+1@col4 (bet against 2-2-1-1)
3 b 3 a - w+1@col1 (bet against 2-1-2-1) ; w+1@col4 (bet against a-c-a-c)
a 2 c 3 - no bet@col1 ; L-2@col4 (bet against 2-2-3-3)
After 5 bets @ 1-1 the Balance =+2.3 c 2 b - L-2@col1 (bet against 2-3-2-3) ; w+1@col4 (bet against b-b-c-c)
c 1 c 2 - w+1@col1 (bet against a-c-c-a) ; w+1@col4 (bet against 3-2-2-3)
3 b 3 a - no bet@col1 ; L-2@col4 (bet against a-c-c-a)
After 5 bets the Balance = +1. U to 2-2 a 1 b 2 - w+2@col1 (bet against b-c-b-c) ;
Balance = +3. D to 1-1u for next 5 games. w+1@col4 (bet against 3-1-3-1)
1 b 1 a - no bet@col1 ; w+1@col4 (bet against c-b-b-c)
Balance so far = +5 Highest bet 2-2 (once)A.
More great results guys.
Stuart
Hello everyone!
I think we all need to focus on what to tell the difference between the steps and play with no progression, because I played in a real casino with real money and very hard to restore the 80 units. Thanks a lot for work Johnlegend, according to his results we can see a difference between steps:
STEP 1 WINS 203
STEP 2 WINS 167
STEP 3 WINS 49
STEP 4 WINS 1
if play flat betting only 2 step 167 wins and lost 49+1=50x2=100;
167-100=67 units or wait long time and beat 3 step 49 wins and 1x2=2 lost.
Easier restore lost
If someone supports this idea please reply. Thanks again Johnlegend.
Are you saying you lost, or did you win.
If you start betting after the 4 1111 2222 3333 diagonals you should be Golden Baby.
Stuart
You can count yourself 167 wins-(50x2 = 100 loss) = 67 units win.
May I ask one thing bikemotorman?
What chips you're playing with? Because if you're playing with the chips,for example,which's nominal is 1 U. 72 spins would be enough (as I've seen it's your avarage amount of spins per session),to reach the day's profit-target...And what bank roll do you have?
Asking because,I am playing with the chips of 0.1 , and it's d*mn hard and long to win at least 1 unit per session...Yeah,winning money is always fun - but in case of playing this system,it causes me to get bored and sleepy lol
I hope there would be any kind of bot :) ,that would play this system it self,because so far - this is the only system,that haven't ever lost in the long run,and haven't went deep down loosing with the betting progression.
cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 30, 05:07 PM 2011
May I ask one thing bikemotorman?
What chips you're playing with? Because if you're playing with the chips,for example,which's nominal is 1 U. 72 spins would be enough (as I've seen it's your avarage amount of spins per session),to reach the day's profit-target...And what bankroll do you have?
Asking because,I am playing with the chips of 0.1 , and it's d*mn hard and long to win at least 1 unit per session...Yeah,winning money is always fun - but in case of playing this system,it causes me to get bored and sleepy LoL
I hope there would be any kind of bot :) ,that would play this system it self,because so far - this is the only system,that haven't ever lost in the long run,and haven't went deep down losing with the betting progression.
cheers
Winning money makes him sleepy LoL
No,it's fun...But looking for the trigger - is a boring process :P
You would need 1000 dollars to play with 5 dollar chips, I also want to profit 10 percent of bankroll.
I was told by a smart player to have 5000 dollar bankroll to profit 500 per week.
Yes it is tedious to play this method but if you wait for the Four diagonals then play for real money you should win a bunch, WE CAN MAYBE EVEN PLAY FLAT BET, MAYBE.
sTuArT
Quote from: donik7777 on Aug 30, 04:17 PM 2011
Hello everyone!
I think we all need to focus on what to tell the difference between the steps and play with no progression, because I played in a real casino with real money and very hard to restore the 80 units. Thanks a lot for work Johnlegend, according to his results we can see a difference between steps:
STEP 1 WINS 203
STEP 2 WINS 167
STEP 3 WINS 49
STEP 4 WINS 1
if play flat betting only 2 step 167 wins and lost 49+1=50x2=100;
167-100=67 units or wait long time and beat 3 step 49 wins and 1x2=2 lost.
Easier restore lost
If someone supports this idea please reply. Thanks again Johnlegend.
-----------------------
better just to play with two steps and let it go if it goes to step 3 or 4 for a loss of 8u, no...?!
vundarosa
Vundarosa you right, but no more than 1 progression = 8 units, i played with real money and lost 80, how long need play restore units? That why we have to find flat method or 1 progression for reverslide or kod 4, D&G.
Well just got wiped out on sportsbook.com and that is not good, I guess I should have not played columns.
A full diagonal reverse Slide, and my first real money session of Course.
I think Columns are real krazy.
Stuart
I was told not to play Columns yet. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Stuart ;D
Ok no more columns guys, at least for now they are far too erratic.
I will just play dozens for the time being.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Aug 30, 08:52 PM 2011
Well just got wiped out on sportsbook.com and that is not good, I guess I should have not played columns.
A full diagonal reverse Slide, and my first real money session of Course.
I think Columns are real krazy.
Stuart
shouldnt matter mathematically could just as easy wiped out on the doz as the columns
There is a progression listed in this forum somewhere on a prog for the dozens goes something like this you bet 1 unit on each for 5 spins win or lose then depending where you are if you behind you in crease a unit till one unit above your highest level
The trouble with this it would make a slow method even slower maybe not enough leverage to over all win anyway
Quote from: stormyace on Aug 31, 03:23 AM 2011
There is a progression listed in this forum somewhere on a prog for the dozens goes something like this you bet 1 unit on each for 5 spins win or lose then depending where you are if you behind you in crease a unit till one unit above your highest level
The trouble with this it would make a slow method even slower maybe not enough leverage to over all win anyway.
Hi stormyace,
Exactly that's what I was on about before... It is gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression.
And to speed things up tremendously you can use it with SLIDE only and bet against symmetrical QUADS forming.
e.g.: if you have 212 on a diagonal slide then bet against 2121 (balanced symmetry)
e.g.: if you have 133 on a diagonal slide then bet against 1331
e.g.: if you have aaa on a diagonal slide then bet against aaaa
Whenever level or in profit move down to lowest level (1-1)
Bets are only made on col1 and col4 in the grid
I like to mix my cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation:
2 a 3 a
a 2 a 2
2 c 1 c first 12 results
b 2 a 2 w+1; w+1
3 b 3 a w+1; w+1
a 2 c 3 nobet; L-2; +2 after 5 bets
3 c 2 b L-2; w+1
c 1 c 2 w+1; w+1
3 b 3 a nobet ; L-2; +1 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
a 1 b 2 w+2; +3 after 1 bet (down to 1-1); w+1
1 b 1 a nobet; w+1
b 1 a 3 w+1; L-2
3 b 3 c w+1; +5 after 5 bets; w+1
c 2 a 2 w+1; w+1
1 c 3 a w+1; L-2 +7 after 5 bets
c 3 a 3 w+1; w+1
1 b 3 b w+1; w+1
c 3 b 2 w+1; +12 after 5 bets; w+1
2 b 1 b w+1; w+1
c 2 a 1 w+1; w+1 +17 after 5 bets
2 b 3 a w+1; nobet
b 1 b 3 w+1; L-2
3 a 2 c L-2; L-2; +13 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
c 1 a 3 w+2; w+2 +17 after 2 bets (down to 1-1)
2 b 1 a nobet; w+1
a 1 b 3 nobet; L-2
2 a 2 a w+1; w+1
b 1 c 2 L-2; +16 after 5 bets (up to 2-2); w+2; +18 after 2 bets (1-1)
2 c 3 b nobet; w+1
a 1 b 3 L-2; nobet
3 b 1 a nobet; w+1
b 1 c 2 L-2; L-2; -14 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
2 a 2 a w+2; nobet
b 3 c 3 w+2; +18 after 2 bets (1-1); nobet
3 a 3 a L-2; nobet
b 1 a 2 w+1; L-2
1 c 2 c L-2; w+1; +14 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
a 3 b 3 w+2; w+2 +18 after 3 bets (down to 1-1)
3 c 2 b L-2; w+1
a 3 b 2 w+1; nobet
3 b 2 a w+1; nobet
c 2 c 1 w+1; +20 after 5 bets
3 a 3 c w+1; nobet
a 2 b 2 w+1; L-2
2 a 1 b nobet; nobet
b 2 a 3 nobet; nobet
2 b 3 c w+1; w+1 +22 after 5 bets
a 2 b 1 L-2; nobet
3 c 3 c w+1; w+1
b 1 c 3 L-2; L-2; +18 after 5 bets (up to 2-2)
2 c 3 c L-4; w+2
b 2 c 3 w+2; w+2
3 b 3 c w+2; +22 after 5 bets (1-1); w+1
c 2 a 2 w+1; w+1
2 c 1 c L-2; w+1 +24 after 5 bets
a 3 c 2 L-2; nobet
3 b 2 c nobet; L-2
a 3 a 1 w+1; w+1
1 a 1 b w+1; +23 after 5 bets (u to 2-2); L-4
b 3 a 2 w+2; nobet
2 c 1 b w+2; w+2; +25 after 4 bets (down to 1-1)
Stopped here at +25
Highest bet = 2-2
A "nobet" is when you get a slide such as 3-2-1 or a-c-b which cannot be symmetrically balanced with the 4th result (col4)
A.
Had a test today...
Was betting and betting till found my self as winner that was 60 chips up,after that I had bad luck and had to go down with the progression (-80),was doubling and doubling my initial bet till the win.
Well,have recovered a loss,but haven't quited the game with the won chips. Why?!
Later I found out why...In the case of a loss - I was doubling my initial bet,instead of trippling it...Oh God! Yeah,shit happenes,especially when you're weak at math,as I am lol
Cheers
I am not great at the Math lol just steer clear of the Columns for a while lol.
Stuart :)
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
Hi marivo,
Yes - you have got the idea perfectly.
A.
More results from the session a few minutes ago on Sportsbook.com real money no testing.
NO COLUMNS BOYS LOL
STUART
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 31, 10:14 AM 2011
Hi marivo,
Yes - you have got the idea perfectly.
A.
Where is this progression (GLC best of 5 progression) more detailed explained?
Thank you.
Hi marivo,
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/135/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/135/)
and here is better:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/)
A.
Quote from: marivo on Aug 31, 10:03 AM 2011
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
I like it! But I don't understand the reverse code 4 notation.. can you explain it to me?
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 31, 11:54 AM 2011
Hi marivo,
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/135/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/135/)
and here is better:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/gr8player's-progression/)
A.
Thanks. How exactly do you play this when you go to the level higher then 2-2? You lower the level as soon as you recover "previous level" loss?
Quote from: wizzard.tim on Aug 31, 01:12 PM 2011
I like it! But I don't understand the reverse code 4 notation.. can you explain it to me?
First you record doz./col./doz./col and next line you record revers col./doz./col./doz. So you get like this:
1 a 3 b
c 3 b 2
This way you're getting slides of dozens and columns in same matrix!
Quote from: marivo on Aug 31, 01:47 PM 2011
Firs you record doz./col./doz./col and next line you record revers col./doz./col./doz. So you get like this:
1 a 3 b
c 3 b 2
This way you're getting slides of dozens and columns in same matrix!
Thank you! I' ll try it
QuoteNO COLUMNS BOYS LoL
I really whish you the best, but I aggree with stormyace that it shouldn´t make a difference if you bet columns or dozens.
P.e. I got today a "perfect" slide of dozens at WilliamHill Playtech live wheel. For luck, I was just starting the session and become the slide to see during recording the previous spins, so I was not betting.
The main thing is to win more than to loose, and for this I guess this method is very good adepted.
To become mor betting oppurtunities I was playing at two tables synchronistically (betting at 10 cent tables) the last time. A little bit stressfull, but made 72 Units the first day, so I´m satisfied.
Good luck to all, see ya.
Hello everyone!
I wanted to say that all the systems that we are trying to find a streaks to meet losses and winnings as the streaks said Ion Saliu, or replay it as a pattern breaker, so we must find the difference between each step and play for this difference a flat bet or a 1 step progression no more. In the words of Ion in roulette that actually exists when you bet on a 66.6% loss of shorter streaks and therefore we should focus only on a dozen (of the column, or 12 numbers by 3 sector), and again to find the difference between the steps and do not make great progress. I lost a lot of these progressions in real casino. Thank you if I'm wrong correct me.
This more detail explain link:://saliu.com/best-roulette-systems.html (link:://saliu.com/best-roulette-systems.html)
Quotetherefore we should focus only on a dozen (of the column, or 12 numbers by 3 sector)
I'm leaning more that way these days, ECs' are just difficult, too difficult to mechanically stay ahead, single dozen/column is even tougher, I'm hovering around 22 to 26 numbers currently, still testing to find the best balance.
3 more games:
number of spins: 272
result: +10+10+11=+31
deepest balance: -5
highest draw-down: -7
highest bet: 2-2
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
see attached picture!
Hello Marivo!
If play flat betting you +14;
lost 14x2=28
win 42
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE REVERSE SLIDE FOR 31/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 520
TOTAL GAMES WON 520
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 1040 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 239
STEP 2 WINS 216
STEP 3 WINS 62
STEP 4 WINS 3
I have now passed the first milestone of over 500 winning games. My progression has been challenged 3 times in that span. Two of those 3 games were the result of a zero in the reverse slide. With THE REVERSE SLIDE. I only play 4 games a session then lock down. I am not over exposing my progression to random. And the result is a magnificent 520 consecutive wins. Contrary to what some members have reported, most of the action for me occurs on the DOZENS. Of the 520 games I have now played 342 of them were for the dozens.
Keep in mind my objective is to play 4 games a session. That means if they are all on the Dozens OR Columns that's fine. Those who are playing longer drawn out sessions are far more likely to see that stealth like pattern. I have been challenged 3 times but have come good now 520 times. Next update at 620 games played.
So we can flat bet this deal, I guess.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 01, 03:26 PM 2011
So we can flat bet this deal, I guess.
Stuart
Stuart there are many ways to get that profit. For me personaly the method has more than proved its worth in the HIT AND RUN. Application. I have to keep reminding myself that the majority of people don't have the self discipline to play like I do. 80,160,320 units risk. Or 26 if you play after 4 7ths of the reverse slide has formed is all worth it. I will say this again because some are pawns for punishment. DO NOT, play this method on an RNG. I am not even sure about certain live casinos reputation. The ones I use are highly validated for their fair conduct, UK Bookie based live casinos have to abide by stringent standards. I wouldnt touch a lot of these off shore casinos with a barge pole.
Our Amercian friends get the rough deal. The land of the free??? I am not so sure, when you can't even place a bet online. So you are being pushed into corners of the globe or synthetic casinos. Where the word honesty doesn't exist. Push on people.
By the way I saw 3 reversals in one day on Sportsbook.com when I was playing for money.
Testing and playing for money are like playing golf in the dark and in the light.
When you play for real money the game and systems are very different, I REALLY Know that from experience.
Stuart
John give me a call if you are able to call the states.
4342500159
My cell phone.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 01, 03:44 PM 2011
By the way I saw 3 reversals in one day on Sportsbook.com when I was playing for money.
Testing and playing for money are like playing golf in the dark and in the light.
When you play for real money the game and systems are very different, I REALLY Know that from experience.
Stuart
What is sportsbook.com Stuart? Is it a live feed? And how long are you playing for. Most of my sessions are over in 60--80 spins Stuart. Playing between the Columns and Dozens. I have yet to see a REVERSE SLIDE. Or THE STEALTH. As I now refer to the pattern
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 01, 03:48 PM 2011
John give me a call if you are able to call the states.
4342500159
My cell phone.
Stuart
Give me your international code Stuart I will give you a call tomorrow evening. Or since you are in the States you are 6---8 hours behind me. So tell me what is best for you???
Quote from: marivo on Sep 01, 02:37 PM 2011
3 more games:
number of spins: 272
result: +10+10+11=+31
deepest balance: -5
highest draw-down: -7
highest bet: 2-2
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
see attached picture!
Hi Marivo,
Those are good results. Today I have only had time to play one short session using same method at BVNoZero:
61 spins +4
I'm happy it is still performing well as expected! :)
Atlantis.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 01, 03:17 PM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE REVERSE SLIDE FOR 31/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 520
TOTAL GAMES WON 520
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 1040 UNITS PLUS
A magnificent triumph!
A.
You can call now if you wish, I dont know the Country code here in US, look online I guess.
The results were in about 5 hours of playing.
Yes it was live feed, I was bettting on cols and col 1 which I was playing against one 13 times out of 16 spins.
I had a bad feeling about Col one LOL.
Give me a call Stuart 001-434-791-2826
The United States international code is +1 or 001. :)
I read entire thread and REVERSE SLIDE method looks the most promising method in this forum. I definitely have to try it myself. Wish me luck! And of course good luck for everyone playing this system.
JohnLegend stats looks pretty impressive now and I can't imagine him losing all the winnings. :)
Quote from: userpairs on Sep 01, 06:12 PM 2011
The United States international code is +1 or 001. :)
I read entire thread and REVERSE SLIDE method looks the most promising method in this forum. I definitely have to try it myself. Wish me luck! And of course good luck for everyone playing this system.
JohnLegend stats looks pretty impressive now and I can't imagine him losing all the winnings. :)
I dont think you should ever show negative figures with this method played in short bursts. Most of my games dont go beyond step 2. And Im playing 4 by 4. If I were playing 2 by 2 my stats would be even better.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 01, 04:10 PM 2011
A magnificent triumph!
A.
It really is Atlanris, im challenging AMKs CODE 4. Full credit to ur great observation. We have A GREAT ONE as a result.
Hi John,
How many different wheels did you play to get that kind of results? My experience (with real money) shows that some wheels can really deliver fantastic results, some others suck. All played with 2 games a session, progression 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27. One even killed me at the very first game I played on that wheel. >:(
Me too, first live game I got wiped out, Just Luck I guess.
But to play flat after the four 1111 2222 3333 is the best play I think, I will also start putting the Zero in my results.
Stuart
Quote from: seb coe on Sep 02, 07:14 AM 2011
Hi John,
How many different wheels did you play to get that kind of results? My experience (with real money) shows that some wheels can really deliver fantastic results, some others suck. All played with 2 games a session, progression 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27. One even killed me at the very first game I played on that wheel. >:(
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well, in my first game today i saw two stealth forming within 32 spin.This was on cols when col B came out 17 times out of 32 spins.
vundarosa
Terrible season. I tried to recover but it went deep and I gave up. (It was fun play, not real.)
number of spins: 274
result: -181
deepest balance: -181
highest draw-down: -110
highest bet: 10-10
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
see attached picture ( link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/?action=dlattach;attach=7281;image (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/?action=dlattach;attach=7281;image) )!
Hi Marivo,
I also had fun play mode at BVNoZero with high bet of 10-10 this morning. :(
Now this is a bad sign - but maybe need to be tweaked with a couple of extra rules?
For instance maybe ONLY start to bet after an L - and if we get 3 betted losers in a row at ANY time then STOP until a w and restart after an L??
I would stick with the best of 5 prog, but possibly also consider to moving down levels if recovery is made to earlier low points - instead of just always increasing by 1 unit because we happen to be in a negative position.
I will look at your example again and see if can make a difference.
There's no rush to make a few units and a couple of extra safety rules might afford greater protection.
A.
I mean no disrespect to the folks who have come up with this deal, but with real MONEY THIS THING FOLDS LIKE A CHEAP LAWN CHAIR.
I think if we wait for the seven with no zero we may have a guaranteed PLAY that will not fold.
Play Dozs and Cols but wait for 1111111 2222222 3333333 in the diagonal formation.
That may be the ultimate bet so to speak.
Stuart
Quotewith real MONEY THIS THING FOLDS LIKE A CHEAP LAWN CHAIR
Lol Stuart :xd: do you think you may be playing it wrong, or at the wrong casino?
Hello guys!
You see all this randomness, it is impossible to beat them, but if you see the difference between every steps. It would be nice if Johnlegend could give us the results without Hit and Run.
Quote from: seb coe on Sep 02, 07:14 AM 2011
Hi John,
How many different wheels did you play to get that kind of results? My experience (with real money) shows that some wheels can really deliver fantastic results, some others suck. All played with 2 games a session, progression 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27. One even killed me at the very first game I played on that wheel. >:(
Seb Coe, I like it you were a great middle distance runner in the 80s. I am playing two primary live wheels. Paddy power---Ladbrokes--- and Betfreds---William Hill. Both BRITISH BOOKIE BASED LIVE CASINOS. Now I know the likes of Superman love to throw in their tuppence when they think a method I endorse is going belly up. Funny how you hear nothing from them when people are doing really well.
But I just don't see how you are getting those kind of results if the wheels fair. And I say that because I havet even seen a stealth pattern yet. Let alone played one. I don't know really. If it wasn't working for me I am not going to enthuse over it. I have nothing to gain this is Atlantis's Brainchild. As CODE 4 is AMKs. My results are true as I post them. When I suffer a loss I will report it as I did for CODE 4.
When I think about it, there are many things I have never seen. I have never seen a vertical column of 9 of the same dozen or Column. That doesn't mean it cannot occur. And you can be sure someone will always find a loss no matter how fantastic the method is. If the method were to bet against two consecutive reverse slides someone would still find a loss. At the end of the day if it isnt a winner I wouldnt be playing it. I am now 560 games without loss for THE REVERSE SLIDE. Pushed to the edge 4 times. But always a win. So I am playing two feeds I know to be reputable and fair. How do I know they are fair???
My experience playing B and M casinos for many years tells me, there is no monkey business going on. The breakdown of results is what I expect. Were I playing a layout method I would get slaughtered just like the idiots I see whinging and cursing day in day out. When they see 17 reds. Or 9 of the same dozen. Or 4 of the same striaght. I cant vouch for the casinos you have found these losses at. Where are they based. If they are on some island like Costa Rica I would be concerned. I have heard bad things about alot of these offshore casinos frequented by our unfortunate Amercan Members.
Quote from: marivo on Sep 02, 08:02 AM 2011
Terrible season. I tried to recover but it went deep and I gave up. (It was fun play, not real.)
number of spins: 274
result: -181
deepest balance: -181
highest draw-down: -110
highest bet: 10-10
BV noZ
gr8player/GLC best of 5 progression
mix cols+doz with reverse code 4 notation (Atlantis!)
see attached picture ( link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/?action=dlattach;attach=7281;image (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/***the-reverse-slide***/?action=dlattach;attach=7281;image) )!
Marivo BV no zero is not roulette. There is no method that will beat a manmade scam. You have to realize this fast.
Quote from: donik7777 on Sep 02, 01:31 PM 2011
Hello guys!
You see all this randomness, it is impossible to beat them, but if you see the difference between every steps. It would be nice if Johnlegend could give us the results without Hit and Run.
Donik. I only play HIT AND RUN for one reason. IT WORKS!!!! If it didn't I would just sit there all day like a fool and get wiped out. I play 4 games for both the Dozens and Columns Simultaneously. The breakdown is usualy 3/1 to either Dozens or columns. Very seldom is it 2/2 or 4/0. But I enter the cycle at random. Today I played my 5 sessions inside an 8 hour time frame. And the result was 20 winning games. One pushing me to step 4 of the progression. I am in free fall now. If I even lose 4 times it will still leave me with 240 units profit. Once you have turned your progression over 6 times you really should have gone clear.
Anyone reporting 3 losses inside 100 spins. Is playing something that is simply not right. Its not going to happen. I am telling you straight. Its hard enough for random to produce that pattern at all. But three times in 100 spins forget it. I have thousands upon thousands of recorded spins. And I cannot find a single stealth. There are slides all over the place but REVERSE SLIDES NOPE.
I only played HIT AND RUN for one reason. IT WORKS!!!!
I could never believe that a person of your level of roulette knowledje could ever make a statement like that !
Anyone reporting 3 losses inside 100 spins. Is playing something that is simply not right. Its not going to happen. I am telling you straight. Its hard enough for random to produce that pattern at all. But three times in 100 spins forget it. I have thousands upon thousands of recorded spins. And I cannot find a single stealth. There are slides all over the place but REVERSE SLIDES NOPE.
And this is a BIG contradiction according to your above statement:
QuoteHIT AND RUN for one reason. IT WORKS!!!!
Again, I beg to differ. Since all the last session of disagreements, I have done a lot of hit n run, on playtech, BV AND slowely on dublinbet table 1 and 2
They ALL form the saqme pattern of WLWWWLLWLWWLLW for example.
And today I was sent a mthod that requires the game to be opened, hit 1 win, close window, re open window, track again until 1 win, rinse and repeat, that person will probably read this, I have tested this sort of attack extensivly since when ChrisB asked me to open close etc, it forms the same sort of LW you would expect to see.
You are just plain lucky, although, I don't really see too many posting how good they are doing, except yourself of course, there's more posts reporting a loss, pure luck.
You are just plain lucky, although, I don't really see too many posting how good they are doing, except yourself of course, there's more posts reporting a loss, pure luck.
Exactly. Superman you couldn t say it better.
Only a roulette newbie that has NEVER seen a Roulette long long balance graph and doesn't know basic maths can think that the hit and run can make a deference than playing continiously.....
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 02, 02:55 PM 2011
You are just plain lucky, although, I don't really see too many posting how good they are doing, except yourself of course, there's more posts reporting a loss, pure luck.
Exactly. Superman you couldn t say it better.
Only a roulette newbie that has NEVER seen a Roulette long long balance graph and doesn't know basic maths can think that the hit and run can make a deference than playing continiously.....
It makes a difference or I wouldnt use it, plain and simple. I firmly believe that Americans playing on dodgy offshore sites and of course BV no zero. Which could be translated to BV no chance. Because anyone with any real intelligence should know. That no one is going to remove the house edge if they don't already know THEY WILL STILL WIN. To use American terminology GO FIGURE? That should be the first question you asked yourself upon finding an RNG with NO ZERO.
And its a shame you cannot play a reliable source such as I and others in the UK can/do. You would see a difference I am certain. As I said earlier. I stand by my belief that seeing three reverse slides inside 100 spins ON A TRUSTWORTHY WHEEL. Is simply not going to happen. Number 1 because you barely get six slides in a 100 spins to begin with. And THEN for them to ALL be reverses. Forget it. I haven't a single reverse recorded. Let alone three in a short span.
When I see one I will be reporting it. This is why I know somethings not right here. This is not like PATTERN BREAKER. Where you could get two or three losses close together. this thing has paper odds of 80/1. And then when you play it HIT AND RUN. You put the odds vastly in your favour. The only way you will be finding that many losses that don't even come close to the paper odds is if you are playing suspect casinos and RNGS. BV no zero and the rest.
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 04:30 PM 2011
you are absolutely correct john....i used to play a lot on BV and won too..but after i made my first withdrawl i am losing 9/10 times..play whatever method..code4,reverse slide or pb....first they let u win and then they destroy u...so am planning to shigt to paddy power..what are your views?
Its a good move pratikop. It never ceases to amaze me that people like Superman don't know any better when it comes to RNGS. I don't just assume what I write on these threads, I know first hand. Theyre rigged to make three times what they payout. So if you are in the cycle when its call collect time. You will see things occur to beat you that won't happen ON A TRUSTWORTHY LIVE WHEEL in a billion years. I am telling you.
You are basically playing a slot machine formulated into roulette software. THE DRAW?? The human beings inherent LACK OF PATIENCE. Hey look this RNG SURE SPINS FAST. Yup all the quicker to take you to brokeback mountain. And then these same people will try and tell me three reverse slides in 100 spins is par the course. The mind boggles :'(
had a bust out slide went for 11 was on airball was on the columns and believe me all machines are trustworthy here even the video roulette not that i played it on that
So that is two busts in bout 400 spins net loss bout 120 units
Quote from: stormyace on Sep 02, 04:46 PM 2011
had a bust out slide went for 11 was on airball was on the columns and believe me all machines are trustworthy here even the video roulette not that i played it on that
So that is two busts in bout 400 spins net loss bout 120 units
Why are you playing 400 spins? My sessions rarely make it to 80. All machines ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY believe that. BV NO ZERO is definately NOT TRUSTWORTHY. And if you think it is, you are going to be losing all the time. I'm not too keen on Airball either. Theyre better than RNGS. But still too mechanical. I will only play them VERY SHORT TERM. You need to reset your play method.
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 05:00 PM 2011
thanks for making me more secure john i was planning to shift on paddypower airball..now i will play live...
The airball is temptation itself pratikpop. They allow you to play 10p bets but what's the catch? The feed is dodgy, your bets often get cancelled at crucial times IF THEY KNOW YOUVE GOT THEM BEAT. Take it from me I know. The live feed is £1 minunum but, its far more reliable and my 16 years of experience in land casinos tells me theres no difference. And my results show this to be so as well. I will get almost identicle results for a fast paced methd like Scoobies Divide and conquer in a land casino and on PADDY POWER/BETFREDS. On BV no ZERO you won't even get 4/1 RETURN on an 8/1 EXPECTANCY. If anyone doesn't have the common sense to realize that's plain rigged. They had better have very deep pockets. Because losing is more than certain.
And Again when I think of gambling stateside I think of the odds severely in the houses favour. Double zero roulette indeed. No betting online freedom. They simply don't want anyone making a living gambling overthere and dodging the taxman. Unless you can become a card counter or great bluffer round the poker table forget it.
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 05:00 PM 2011
thanks for making me more secure john i was planning to shift on paddypower airball..now i will play live...3 reverse slide in 100 spins...i have seen 2 but it was on darn rng...
<they don't track your system they track your bets>mark my words...
Oh I know, and imagine the poor fool who bets 100s of pounds on an RNG. They end up on this forum with their doom and gloom stories. Because somewhere in their warped mind they forgot to remember they were never going to win in the first place. And as I write this post millions of mugs around the globe at this very minute are throwing their money down the drain because they chose speed and greed over intelligent common sense.
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 05:19 PM 2011
yupz and You have made thousand times clear..that all yors method should be played live...no rngs...still i don't know y people blame u when the lose on rngs.., i am one of them fool
that's the bottom line. Random is hard enough to beat wthout having to deal with manmade scams on top of it. If your method is good, your money management solid and your self discipline focused. You will be a winner. If any of those essential elements are missing, forget it and take up ping pong.
Hi Johnlegend
Very rare I post under someone topic. But when I see something great I do which is very rare to see the truth on forums.
You posted this
Oh I know, and imagine the poor fool who bets 100s of pounds on an RNG. They end up on this forum with their doom and gloom stories. Because somewhere in their warped mind they forgot to remember they were never going to win in the first place. And as I write this post millions of mugs around the globe at this very minute are throwing their money down the drain because they chose speed and greed over intelligent common sense.
You are right Greed Kills Also people are always taking money under the table to get things fixed for the house to win. Everyone here at least 99% would take money under the table.
Nice post John. I never read anything about you but that post is so true.
The Hotspot winwithmath
The Hotspot
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 05:35 PM 2011
paddys airball is good for 10p bets...a guy having 100 euros like me can play it easily..with 1 euro min u atleast need 1000 br..in my method
A good method shouldnt take 1000 units. For that risk I will never lose pratikop, I could turn several methods into Grails for 1000 units. But that wasn't the objective coming to this forum. I have been beating this game for many years and will do so till my dying day. My objective is to put winning in the grasp of those new to the game with small bankrolls. To do this you need inexpensive methods with solid results.
I finance methods like CODE 4 and the REVERSE SLIDE to the max because I can afford to do so. The average Joe hasn't got 80 units to risk on a game. Or 160 as I play. But they can still play the last three steps for a 26 unit risk. And if played properly with still profit. What the biggest battle is with most people, is THEIR OWN MINDS. Old habits die hard. And good ones are even harder to cement.
The age old mistake made by players is thinking this is easy money its gambling afterall. I have never approached the game like that since I learnt I had to change my thinking to succeed. I have treated this game as if it were my job, my livelyhood. And that's exactly what it became. Every step forward took me away from what I hated most in life. Anwsering to someone else for my living. I put in more time with this game than most do in their day jobs. But its a labour of love. And I can get out of bed when I please. And stop and start my job when I please. If I tell you it works, it works. But it doesn't work playing it the wrong way on the wrong application.
Everything I play and stick with has proven itself to me. I see methods on this forum all the time that I wouldnt even waste my time passing comment to. I already know THEY WILL LOSE. When I see something I know is a standout looks very promising. I will embrace it fully. I wish I authored the REVERSE SLIDE. My starting point the MATRIX SLIDE was the inferior version. Atlantis perfected it. CODE 4 was sublime vision from AMK taking my inferior PATTERN 4 to its ultimate conclusion. ITS A GREAT ONE. I am approaching the dream ticket with it as I write this. I am almost an incredible 1000/1. I never dreamt I would see the day an 80 unit risk could deliver that profit margin. That is AMKS gift to the forum.
My greatest method remains PATTERN BREAKER. It cannot touch the aforementioned two. But it has a very special consistency. For losing only singular games. That makes it priceless. For a buy in of 7 units. It is still a betting miracle. The one unrealized phenom still sitting on this forum is Kattilas PYRAMID concept. I am still proofing it. But its looking as good as the great ones. The only thing I've noticed is it requires more patience to get the triggers. But its way too much for random to break. So I will continue until I have a decent sample of 300 games minumum to report. And it will take its place hopefully alongside my top 4 roulette killers,
Quote from: Hotspot on Sep 02, 05:51 PM 2011
Hi Johnlegend
Very rare I post under someone topic. But when I see something great I do which is very rare to see the truth on forums.
You posted this
Oh I know, and imagine the poor fool who bets 100s of pounds on an RNG. They end up on this forum with their doom and gloom stories. Because somewhere in their warped mind they forgot to remember they were never going to win in the first place. And as I write this post millions of mugs around the globe at this very minute are throwing their money down the drain because they chose speed and greed over intelligent common sense.
You are right Greed Kills Also people are always taking money under the table to get things fixed for the house to win. Everyone here at least 99% would take money under the table.
Nice post John. I never read anything about you but that post is so true.
The Hotspot winwithmath
The Hotspot
Thankyou Hotspot, I an honoured you took the time to pass comment. I can only try to pass on some of my experience and plain common sense. It will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes for the most part as the human mind, slots back into old bad habits.
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 02, 06:08 PM 2011
man You are just full of experience...great post john...even i think as my lively hood..its 3 at night and i am still testing various methods..i am wholly dedicated towards roulette..but still with 1000 units..can't overcome my poverty
suggest me a good method...and i don't mind even losing those 1000 units only if the method is suggested by u
i trust u blindly mate :)
I am about to sleep my friend. PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Are two great low buy in methods. I will PM you tomorrow with how you could play either one and never lose for 60% of your 1000 unit risk. Seriously. I will give you two REAL grails. If you are serious and want to make this game your major bread winner. Without risk. Tomorrow.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 02, 11:10 AM 2011
I will look at your example again and see if can make a difference.
Thank you! I attached excel file of my resultes.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 02, 04:15 PM 2011
no one is going to remove the house edge if they don't already know THEY WILL STILL WIN.
Live tables could remove the zero and MOST people would
STILL lose ...its the dispersions that kill peoples BR.
Stunning posts.............
Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........
Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........
Method is called OPPOSITE
3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"............... 1123
Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........
2113 bet 3112
625 games played, 1 loss........................
Do you play 2 doz or col with the opposite method you are mentioning.
Stuart
Quote from: amk on Sep 02, 07:01 PM 2011
Stunning posts.............
Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........
Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........
Method is called OPPOSITE
3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"............... 1123
Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........
2113 bet 3112
625 games played, 1 loss........................
I would like some more info on THE OPPOSITE METHOD DO WE PLAY ONE DOZ OR COL.
STUART
Quote from: amk on Sep 02, 07:01 PM 2011
Stunning posts.............
Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........
Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........
Method is called OPPOSITE
3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"............... 1123
Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........
2113 bet 3112
625 games played, 1 loss........................
AMK that looks brilliant. Okay I said when I saw a STEALTH, REVERSE SLIDE. I would report it. I saw one this morning. It was after my session ended. I have decided to record a minumum of 100 spins a session to see if I could find a STEALTH. And it happenned on the columns surprise,surprise. Column C to be exact no zero breaking the flow. This was more than 40 spins after my session was over. This proves A, it can happen on a reputable wheel. And B, Hit and RUN is the supreme application for ALL METHODS. If I have been lucky as most suggest. Then that's positive luck that puts me beyond negative figures. And that cannot be a bad thing.
Amk I need your help here, because you are constantly looking for ways to make good methods truly great ones. OPPOSITE looks amazing already. And I am looking full circle with the matrix concept. As I continue to never see a vertical column go beyond 7 in my recent play, and only once have I recorded a vertical 8 of a dozen. Columns I am not usre about yet although I haven't recoded more than a 6 for them since I began playing THE MATRIX SLIDE/REVERSE SLIDE METHODS. I am thinking of turning this into a method of its own. The original MATRIX VERTICAL method was very good. But it took a long time to get triggers making it impractical for land casinos. However. I don't have to play land casinos. And when you RARELY see something occur it makes sense to take advantage of it.
I will look at bringing VERTICAL 8 to the forum soon. The PYRAMID is still the phenom yet to be fully exploited.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Sep 02, 06:42 PM 2011
Live tables could remove the zero and MOST people would STILL lose ...its the dispersions that kill peoples BR.
Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds. Standard roulette gets returns far above the theoretical house edge (the "Hold" percentage) which is due to other factors (dispersion being among them).
I see John has galloped off on his favourite "RNGs are all cheats" hobby horse, conveniently ignoring members who have lost playing his methods on real wheels. What bothers me is that all his systems basically boil down to betting randomly with suicidal progressions, and the newbies here can be sucked in by the hype. Don't be distracted by the rhetoric, keep in mind the FACTS that:
- "Hit & Run" is a logical fallacy.
- ALL patterns are equally likely.
- Once a pattern has PARTLY formed, it's just as likely that it will complete as not.
- Martingale type progressions are dangerous to your bankroll.
Even if you assume that people will be sensible and do some testing before starting to use real money, it's very likely that it won't be enough, especially as most of the systems require you to do quite a bit of tracking before placing actual bets. Ideally, a system should be tested over thousands of placed bets (not just spins) before you start playing for real.
Most newbies won't bother, and they'll find out with hard cash that the systems don't work. :(
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 03, 03:50 AM 2011
Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds. Standard roulette gets returns far above the theoretical house edge (the "Hold" percentage) which is due to other factors (dispersion being among them).
I see John has galloped off on his favourite "RNGs are all cheats" hobby horse, conveniently ignoring members who have lost playing his methods on real wheels. What bothers me is that all his systems basically boil down to betting randomly with suicidal progressions, and the newbies here can be sucked in by the hype. Don't be distracted by the rhetoric, keep in mind the FACTS that:
- "Hit & Run" is a logical fallacy.
- ALL patterns are equally likely.
- Once a pattern has PARTLY formed, it's just as likely that it will complete as not.
- Martingale type progressions are dangerous to your bankroll.
Even if you assume that people will be sensible and do some testing before starting to use real money, it's very likely that it won't be enough, especially as most of the systems require you to do quite a bit of tracking before placing actual bets. Ideally, a system should be tested over thousands of placed bets (not just spins) before you start playing for real.
Most newbies won't bother, and they'll find out with hard cash that the systems don't work. :(
The systems work Bayes, the only thing we find out is they aren't bullet proof. I have 2000 vertical quads recorded for example with only one of them going 8 deep. That doesn't work either right. In the time it took to lose 80 units you have won 1,920. You don't get it Bayes and you never will. Your thinking is based on pure math. And when you cannot divorce yourself from that thought process you cannot ever move forward.
Hey John, Hermes used to post Columns are like a beautiful woman, SHE LOVES YOU AND TREATS YOU LIKE A KING THEN WHEN YOU ARE A SLEEPING HITS YOU IN THE HEAD WITH A NINE IRON LOL.
Be careful with columns boys they are dangerous.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 03, 06:02 AM 2011
Hey John, Hermes used to post Columns are like a beautiful woman, SHE LOVES YOU AND TREATS YOU LIKE A KING THEN WHEN YOU ARE A SLEEPING HITS YOU IN THE HEAD WITH A NINE IRON LoL.
Be careful with columns boys they are dangerous.
Stuart
Stuart it is of no surprise to me that Columns seem to produce more losses for THE REVERSE SLIDE. I avoided columns for a long time with my methods because I always saw more unstable performance from them. The experts on here will argue theres absolutely no difference between Columns and Dozens. Red, Black or High Low. The results tell another story. I have for example only recorded 1 vertical column of 8 of the same dozen in more than 2,300 recorded vertical quads. I am certain if you did a similar sample for columns. The results would be very different.
Good post John, hey you did not call me here is my cell number 4342500159.
Columns are NUTS, KRAZY, LOCO, INSANE AND DANGEROUS, LOL.
StUaRt
Hello AMK,
Is your Reverse method for play one dozen or Playing two dozens at one time.
I must say I like it and I have been playing one doz mostly, the most losses I have seen in a row is 7, now I use a progression in five dollar stages.
5 10 15 20 25 and on, 2 BACK TO BACK WIN, I quit when I have two wins in a row. LLLWLLLLLWLLLLLLLWW DONE
STUART
GIVE ME A CALL 4342500159 IN THE STATES.
This reverse slide method looks brilliant. Why are there so many people who are bashing it? I don't understand?
Hello AMK! Nice rezults.
What kind of progression did you play?
Thanks.
Bayes:
""Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds."
I agree that this is the case.........
However, I do feel that there are windows which can help you to overcome these odds regardless of the longterm..............
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 02, 06:25 PM 2011
I am about to sleep my friend. PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Are two great low buy in methods. I will PM you tomorrow with how you could play either one and never lose for 60% of your 1000 unit risk. Seriously. I will give you two REAL grails. If you are serious and want to make this game your major bread winner. Without risk. Tomorrow.
I neeed it too........ :)
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 03, 09:13 AM 2011
Good post John, hey you did not call me here is my cell number 4342500159.
Columns are NUTS, KRAZY, LOCO, INSANE AND DANGEROUS, LoL.
StUaRt
Stuart what is it you want to talk about on the phone that we cannot talk about by PM or on here. You havent fallen for me have you? lol.
John how does this OPPOSITE PLAY that AMK is mentioning.
Is it for playing one doz or a double doz method, I have played it both ways and it works well, not too much waiting with it too.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 04, 08:06 AM 2011
John how does this OPPOSITE PLAY that AMK is mentioning.
Is it for playing one doz or a double doz method, I have played it both ways and it works well, not too much waiting with it too.
Stuart
I havent started testing it yet Stuart. But I am sure its going to be great. AMK doesnt let up until he delivers something special.
JOHN IS THIS FOR TWO DOZENS, OR DOES HE PLAY IT ON ONE DOZEN ONLY.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 04, 04:18 PM 2011
JOHN IS THIS FOR TWO DOZENS, OR DOES HE PLAY IT ON ONE DOZEN ONLY.
Stuart
I have no idea Stuart. We need to hear from the man himself. When he is ready I'm sure he will reveal all. Me personaly I am content with my fantastic 4. The PYRAMID. At this time in motion is the one phenom on this forum thats full potential is seriously unrealized.
How I perceive and test it may be different to its Authors (Kattilas) original intent. But I can tell you it looks more powerful than anything. Its drawback is that little thing void in most of mankind. You know the word.
Patience??
Ok, but I have been messing with what little I have from his post the other day.
If this comes out 1123 play opposite, 2311, it has to be a two dozens system.
I played yesterday on the above but playing one doz only and got 12 straight Ls.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 05, 06:46 PM 2011
Ok, but I have been messing with what little I have from his post the other day.
If this comes out 1123 play opposite, 2311, it has to be a two dozens system.
I played yesterday on the above but playing one doz only and got 12 straight Ls.
Stuart
Don't be too sure Stuart. When betting single dozens 12 losses in a row isn't that uncommon. I agree, not good, but not uncommon.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 05, 06:46 PM 2011
Ok, but I have been messing with what little I have from his post the other day.
If this comes out 1123 play opposite, 2311, it has to be a two dozens system.
I played yesterday on the above but playing one doz only and got 12 straight Ls.
Stuart
Stuart I knew someone who used to bet against six of the same dozen appearing. They got destroyed. Avoid straight off the layout methods like this. Everything the maths boys predict will happen. WILL HAPPEN. The MATRIX makes random work much harder to beat you. True all patterns are possible, but some are a lot less possible than others. Like a PYRAMID.
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What about the SHA-256 algorithm hash code mechanism? That is a universal data verification back testing program. How does BV skirt around that then?
Exactly, it can't. JL is just prejudiced against all RNGs. He can't back up his claims with any proof because he has none.
The hashes are verifiable outside the site as I showed in my thread on the subject. To dismiss the SHA algorithm is to dismiss all internet security as a sham. ::)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 02, 04:52 PM 2011
Why are you playing 400 spins? My sessions rarely make it to 80. All machines ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY believe that. BV NO ZERO is definately NOT TRUSTWORTHY. And if you think it is, you are going to be losing all the time. I'm not too keen on Airball either. Theyre better than RNGS. But still too mechanical. I will only play them VERY SHORT TERM. You need to reset your play method.
On that topic, you can't trust roulette dealers either since they can control the spin to a degree. If they can design rigged Airball machines then they at least can "rig" their spin manually on normal roulette to their liking from time to time. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of the human touch.
I'm being facetious of course - and half serious.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 02, 04:52 PM 2011
Why are you playing 400 spins? My sessions rarely make it to 80. All machines ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY believe that. BV NO ZERO is definately NOT TRUSTWORTHY. And if you think it is, you are going to be losing all the time. I'm not too keen on Airball either. Theyre better than RNGS. But still too mechanical. I will only play them VERY SHORT TERM. You need to reset your play method.
I too, would like to know how u justify this statement John.
I missed it, as was away last week.
U need proof to say things like that.
If your are where i think You are, You can't play there anyhow, so why denigrate THIS casino?
Please show me/us all Us reasoning. If U would be so kind.
I still like all your work, Its just that its NOT for RNG, for a variety of reasons.
[reveal]Unless someone knows better! LoL[/reveal]
How many nos are supplied in each 'hash' packaGE ? (If thats how it works!)
I'm pretty shy about posting on this topic, but at the risk of being totally ignored by all the avid readers, I'm going to go ahead and post another way to bet this system. Or, any of the double dozen methods where we are trying to get a win within a pre-determined number of bets.
The first part of this will be same old same old. But be sure you understand it.
First off, I am incorporating my idea about having enough money to give yourself a reasonable chance to weather bad luck if it hits early before you've had a chance to win a pirate's chest full of the casino's money.
I recommend not playing this way unless you have a 1000 unit bankroll.
This is a simple progression based on winning 2 times in a row on a double dozen bet.
1st bet 2nd bet Accumulative win Accumulative loss.
1-1 0 +1 -2
2-2 0 0 -6
3-3 4-4 +1 -12
6-6 9-9 +3 -24
10-10 15-15 +1 -44
19-19 28-28 +3 -82
34-34 51-51 +3 -150
61-61 91-91 +2 -272
110-110 165-165 +3 -492
200-200 300-300 +8 -892
This progression should be easy enough to follow. As long as you win the 1st bet, 1-1, you continue to repeat it. If you lose the 1-1 bet and win the 2-2 bet, you just start over at 1-1 because you'll either be even.
If you lose the 1st 2 bets, you start having to win 2-in-a-row to be ahead. That means starting with 3-3 you must win the 1st bet and then take 8 of the 9 units and divide them in two so you have equal bets to place for the next spin. If you win both parts of the bet, 3-3 and 4-4 you will have won 7 units. Subtract the 6 you lost in the 1st 2 bets and you are net +1. Re-set to 1-1.
As long as you lose either of the bets at a level, you continue to move up the progression. Anytime you win 2 in a row you will be at a new high and should reset to 1-1.
Now, with the hit rate of the Reverse slide, you should have no trouble catching 2 in a row. This will be an issue rarely because most of the time you will win on either the 1st or the 2nd bet.
There is another option that makes this almost unbeatable.
This 2nd option requires you to have 2000 units to play, minimum!!
Start with the 1st 2 dozens of the reverse slide, like this:
2 3 1 1
3 2 3 1
Now there are 5 more steps where the 2nd dozen must spin in order to complete the reverse slide. Each one of these begins a new progression. We will have 5 separate progressions to be used if we need them. The 3rd row 3rd location will always be bet from the 1st progression. The 4the row 4th location will always be bet from the 2nd progression. The 5th row 3rd location will always be bet from the 3rd progression etc....
What that means is if we lose here:
2 3 1 1
3 2 3 1
1 2 2 That was 1-1 lost from the 1st progression.
If we win the next row it will be 1-1 from the 2nd progression.
2 3 1 1
3 2 3 1
1 2 2 3
3 2 1 1 Right there we won 1-1 from the 2nd progression.
Now, if the next formation is this
1 2 3 3
2 1 2 3
1 2 2 Right here we bet 2-2 out of the 1st progression and won which puts us even on the 1st progression. And the next time we have to bet in that location, we will be betting 1-1.
This gives us 10 shots at winning in 5 different progressions before we ever lose. Most of the time we will be playing in the 1st or 2nd progressions. Occasionally we will get to the 4th progression but almost never to the 5th.
If you read the above a few times and really think about it, it should become clear without a lot more instructions from me, but please feel free to ask if you're interested and don't really understand what I'm suggesting.
GLC
@ woods101
QuoteHow many nos are supplied in each 'hash' packaGE ? (If that's how it works!)
10
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 06, 11:52 AM 2011
I too, would like to know how u justify this statement John.
I missed it, as was away last week.
U need proof to say things like that.
If your are where i think You are, You can't play there anyhow, so why denigrate THIS casino?
Please show me/us all Us reasoning. If U would be so kind.
I still like all your work, Its just that its NOT for RNG, for a variety of reasons.
[reveal]Unless someone knows better! LoL[/reveal]
Chris would you play slot machines and expect to walk away a winner? If your anwser is no, then why would you play an RNG and expect to walk away a WINNER. Its the same principle. There is no true random on an RNG. Its dsigned to gaurantee a profit for the house while. paying out to the player on PERCENTAGE. I have this information from someone who works in the bookmaking industry.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE REVERSE SLIDE FOR 09/09/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 700
TOTAL GAMES WON 698
TOTAL GAMES LOST 2
STRIKERATE 349/1
BALANCE 1,080 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 312
STEP 2 WINS 289
STEP 3 WINS 92
STEP 4 WINS 5---LOSSES 2
Well I am a little disappointed that I wasn't able to match CODE 4 with a 1000/1 strikerate. I have suffered two losses since my last update, and recorded a total of 5. That said my observations are still very positive. Because the first loss came in game 671. So that is still a heck of a winning streak my longest to date. The second loss came pretty close in game 692. The positive news is A, they were both losses on the COLUMNS, in fact all five recorded losses have been columns. And B, they were losses on the third and fourth games on my sessions. With that in mind I am considering dropping to the 2 by 2 play I employ for CODE 4 to see how that compares. Still, a 349/1 current strikerate is still very respectable. Next update at 800 games played.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 10, 02:49 AM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE REVERSE SLIDE FOR 09/09/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 700
TOTAL GAMES WON 698
TOTAL GAMES LOST 2
STRIKERATE 349/1
BALANCE 1,080 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 312
STEP 2 WINS 289
STEP 3 WINS 92
STEP 4 WINS 5---LOSSES 2
Well I am a little disappointed that I wasn't able to match CODE 4 with a 1000/1 strikerate. I have suffered two losses since my last update, and recorded a total of 5. That said my observations are still very positive. Because the first loss came in game 671. So that is still a heck of a winning streak my longest to date. The second loss came pretty close in game 692. The positive news is A, they were both losses on the COLUMNS, in fact all five recorded losses have been columns. And B, they were losses on the third and fourth games on my sessions. With that in mind I am considering dropping to the 2 by 2 play I employ for CODE 4 to see how that compares. Still, a 349/1 current strikerate is still very respectable. Next update at 800 games played.
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Amazingly the losses i recorded have also been on the columns...(i think bikerman said something similar)
vundarosa
i had two reverse slides parallel to each other go to the 9 th decision so was two complete slides and were on the dozenss
Yep my losses were from a Col 1 hitting I think 14 times in 16 spins.
Be careful of Columns guys they are like a Gorgeous woman, they give you all you could ever desire then they TURN ON YOU AND hit you in the head with the Eight iron.
Stuart
@chrisbis
Thanks Chris, so it would be poss for them to send numbers to noble in packets of 10...if they were to be sneaky?
W
Quote from: woods101 on Sep 21, 10:35 AM 2011
@chrisbis
Thanks Chris, so it would be poss for them to send numbers to noble in packets of 10...if they were to be sneaky?
W
Hi
I used to think this too..but hasnt Bayes posted somewhere that you can check the hash on these things?
Quotebut hasn't Bayes posted somewhere that you can check the hash on these things?
Yes, if you click "End" on the game window, top, mid right it opens a browser window which tells you a few things, it also gives you the sha256 key it got by hashing the numbers and a security key together, you take that info and paste it into one of the online converters and check that the hash you just got matches the hash they had, it can't lie, end of story.
The only thing that could be done if they wanted to cheat was provide the next 10 numbers to counter your play, but I seriousley doubt they do this as there really is no need, $hit sets come along on their own lol
They don't.
I just did a weeks test, and proved beyond all "Reasonable Doubt" that BV is as Genuine Random Generator as could find Casino wise.
8)
@CB and Supe,
Thanks. Sorry everyone for hijacking your topic briefly.
W