I have an anouncement to make that it is the biggest and most important anouncement that has ever been made in a Roulette Forum.
We all know and remember the W.3.M site.
Most of you know that I was the person that never beleaved in the concept of the CWB and that I had exposed Charles in his own forum.(some of you know the story)
I really don t know if Charles ever had the ACTF bet.I really don t know if he is a scam or not,eventhogh he scammed all those ppl.
But what I know Is that a CWB really exists ,because I have found it.
The funny and strange thing is that all the clues that Charles had posted in his site about the ACTF bet ,were the clues that made me find the bet.
Let me explain what I mean.
I found a bet (formula)according to the clueâ€trap the runs and the changes†that was not a consistent winner but it wasn t a consistent loser either!
This thing made me a HUGE impresssion,because nothing can survive after 3.000 spins by FLAT BETTING!
The tests I did were 30 sesssions of 100 spins each.(as Charles adviced)
The results were very close to 0 in every end of the 100 spins(bets)
I had ofcource some sessions ended up like +15 or even +40 but I also had some of them ended up like -1 or -15.
But in the end of the total 3.000 bets ,the result were close to 0.
Then I also remembered that Charles had said that if we would find a bet that doesn t win but doesn t lose either ,that we must find a bet inside that bet in order to engineer and CWB.
It took me 2 days to find it .
This was the BASE bet ,that that when I added it to the main bet ,I had a CWB.
I really don t know if Charles had made those clues from his a$$ in order to scam the ppl .
But it seems very strange that all those SPECIFIC clues were fitting in my bet.
I haven t played the bet in a casino yet.
I am waitting tomorrow that I will get payed from my job in order to have the BR.
I hope that a carrier of a pro roulette played has started for me.
After my expirience with the CWB ,I advice all of you to stop searching the maths of roulette ,because we all know that the game can t be beaten by that way.
Don t send me any Pms ,because this was my last post in the forum.
The last time I said that it was my last post ,I was telling the truth,and I would not post anything ,BUT I thought that this post is a vital read of all the ppl that still beleave in CWBs.
Good luck.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Nov 02, 10:01 PM 2011
I have an anouncement to make that it is the biggest and most important anouncement that has ever been made in a Roulette Forum.
We all know and remember the W.3.M site.
Most of you know that I was the person that never beleaved in the concept of the consistent winning bet and that I had exposed Charles Scammer in his own forum.(some of you know the story)
I really don't know if Charles Scammer ever had the ACTF bet.I really don't know if he is a scam or not,eventhogh he scammed all those people.
But what I know Is that a consistent winning bet really exists ,because I have found it.
The funny and strange thing is that all the clues that Charles Scammer had posted in his site about the ACTF bet ,were the clues that made me find the bet.
Let me explain what I mean.
I found a bet (formula)according to the clueâ€trap the runs and the changes†that was not a consistent winner but it wasn t a consistent loser either!
This thing made me a HUGE impresssion,because nothing can survive after 3.000 spins by FLAT BETTING!
The tests I did were 30 sesssions of 100 spins each.(as Charles Scammer adviced)
The results were very close to 0 in every end of the 100 spins(bets)
I had ofcource some sessions ended up like +15 or even +40 but I also had some of them ended up like -1 or -15.
But in the end of the total 3.000 bets ,the result were close to 0.
Then I also remembered that Charles Scammer had said that if we would find a bet that doesn't win but doesn't lose either ,that we must find a bet inside that bet in order to engineer and consistent winning bet.
It took me 2 days to find it .
This was the BASE bet ,that that when I added it to the main bet ,I had a consistent winning bet.
I really don't know if Charles Scammer had made those clues from his a$$ in order to scam the people .
But it seems very strange that all those SPECIFIC clues were fitting in my bet.
I haven t played the bet in a casino yet.
I am waitting tomorrow that I will get payed from my job in order to have the BR.
I hope that a carrier of a pro roulette played has started for me.
After my experience with the consistent winning bet ,I advice all of you to stop searching the maths of roulette ,because we all know that the game can t be beaten by that way.
don't send me any Pms ,because this was my last post in the forum.
The last time I said that it was my last post ,I was telling the truth,and I would not post anything ,BUT I thought that this post is a vital read of all the people that still beleave in consistent winning bets.
Good luck.
Hello RE
Thanks for letting me win a bet that you would be back despite your hurt feelings last time. And we will of course stop playing because you have THE ONLY method that works and unfortunately we will never see it.
Maybe you will reconsider :D
Regards
---Bet you be back as usual,if anything but to tell us how
wrong you were regarding the bet. 8) 8)
R.E. 's 1st post on here is as bad as saying this....................
"I have a consistent winning bet.............and I will tell U what it is, as soon as I am paid from my job"
What is the point.
Just tell Us man.
I'm sick to death of people coming here with utter nonsense posts, and then not wanting to say any more on the subject.
R.E.'s best/better/finest strategy, would have been to guide us all to this mystical land,
instead of casting Us adrift into the 'Sea of Useless Knowledge'
I for one hope he doesn't come back and gloat any further on this topic.
Hey, wasn't this the very same man, who used to come here, and denigrate everyone's systems and routines, as not ever been able to work!?! Isn't this the same man.
Doesn't that tell U something?
Its a shame really, because JUST occasionally, Jordan HAS come up with useful, purposeful posts, like his Streets thread, that exploded onto forum few months ago.
But now we are back to the OLD Jordan.............the Negative one.
The one who is all:- "I have something U can not share in"
Nightmare!
I have been around for many, many years regarding roulette forums and this post is common.
You see many times does who say they find the ultimate selection and will never get back.
Or you have does that just move around in circuls prommising the ultimate bet witch never at the end will see daylight.
Nothing new - old and boring.
Sometimes they get back with a new user name or they give up or just change there place to hang around.
Viper always was a twit, but this takes the cake, really!
You've had so many " great" bets I'm not sure anyone cares any more.
Good luck.
Regards
Max
DNFTT.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Nov 02, 10:01 PM 2011
I found a bet (formula)according to the clueâ€trap the runs and the changes†that was not a consistent winner but it wasn t a consistent loser either!
This thing made me a HUGE impresssion,because nothing can survive after 3.000 spins by FLAT BETTING!
The tests I did were 30 sesssions of 100 spins each.(as Charles scammer adviced)
The results were very close to 0 in every end of the 100 spins(bets)
I had ofcource some sessions ended up like +15 or even +40 but I also had some of them ended up like -1 or -15.
But in the end of the total 3.000 bets ,the result were close to 0.
I can gather that there is a whole history in forums that i am not completely aware of - different names/characters seem to pop up under different guises, i've seen it mentioned many times the whole CEH/w3m scam thing but don't really get what it was all about.
Can anyone give a quick resume of the whole story? In a nutshell, did he say he had a flatbetting winning method, then started charging people only to disappear?
* more generally, if anyone can help, a flatbetting method such as RE's posted above would require what kind of progression to get the most out of it? (that is to say, a flatbet that does not fluctuate much + or - over 2000/3000 spins..)
* more generally, if anyone can help, a flatbetting method such as RE's posted above would require what kind of progression to get the most out of it? (that is to say, a flatbet that does not fluctuate much + or - over 2000/3000 spins..)
---Probably 99% of the members are seeking the same thing. 8) 8)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 03:56 PM 2011
* more generally, if anyone can help, a flatbetting method such as RE's posted above would require what kind of progression to get the most out of it? (that is to say, a flatbet that does not fluctuate much + or - over 2000/3000 spins..)
---Probably 99% of the members are seeking the same thing. 8) 8)
i don't mean what would the flatbet method be,
i mean, if you already had the flatbet method that was stable over 3000 spins as suggested by RE, what progression would you apply to it to maximise its profit? d'Alembert? Labby? 6 point divisor? Up & Pull? Parlay?
in my opinion this would depend on the bet itself.
still, if I had such a flatbet-winner, I would not use a progression but increase my betting units instead.
cheers
hans
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Nov 04, 02:54 AM 2011
in my opinion this would depend on the bet itself.
still, if I had such a flatbet-winner, I would not use a progression but increase my betting units instead.
cheers
hans
Thanks Hans
but if the flatbet doesn't actually win, it just 'doesn't lose' as RE stated, you would need to add in a progression to get anything out of it wouldn't you? Say it just hovers around +/- 10 units for thousands of spins..
No bet can predict future outcome with even slightest accuracy hence no bet can be consistant winner.
A flatbet whose losing line would be very shallow on a graph could be overcome with a progression (positive/negative/regressive? - which is best, thats what i'm trying to find out),
and then when it is winning, you win as well of course (again whether to win with an 'up as you win' or some other way?).
if a flatbet can work in the manner RE says, i'd say we're not talking big waves here, more water gently lapping the shoreline.
@monaco
maybe this would depend on the number of spins it takes to move around +;- 10?
if the ups and downs lie within a range of spins that can be played and controlled within a reasonable session length, a player could just leave the table while he has won some units.
just my 2 cents ... :)
cheers
hans
Reminds me of washing powder adverts.
Best ever DAZ!!! best ever formula. Washes whites whiter than before.
err...so can I have my money back on all the last load of inferior stuff youve been fobbing me off with?
cheers Hans
well lets see what comes of it - I'll bear in mind what you say, plus I've got a few things to try on how to get maximum life (units) out of basically a flatline :)
maybe in the end the progression isnt the main thing: a good fuel (bet selection) can make a lot of engines (MM) work well -
'bet selection is the holy grail' i read somewhere, maybe thats what that meant - i didn't used to believe it, but i think i might be going over to that dark side >:D
good luck all
dear turnerfake
this is not joke here, a real possibility of a winning method!
dear monaco
a flatbet could be multilevel and I call it elevated flatbet!
thanks
catalyst
like an escalator?
Flat Bet...............Escalated!!!! lol
So it cant be a flatbet if you increasing the amount you are flatbetting.
Then its not a flatbet as it would NEVER change.
do you mean some kind of gr8 player progression - see where you are after x amount of spins & then adjust your bet amount accordingly?
cheers
I want to see the bet, I have also tried various variations on changing between following last or opposite. Actually I then realized that I can do it directly with red or black, as there should not be much difference - just two opposite even chances. I tried several bots which had a counter between 0 and 1, 0 was for red, 1 was for black and if they were winning, counter was updated so that it was nearer to the hitting colour, and if it reached certain distance from the opposite color (like 0.6 if betting on red), then betting color changed to 1, this was to avoid "hazards" which would occur if it just change bet around 0.5, then it would change too often until one side would clearly dominated. This was configurable by some parameters which caused it to react fast or slow to changes. While it sometimes worked well, many times it failed on the fact that dominance on one side changed, it detected it and adapted to it, but by that time dominance changed to the other side, several times in a row...
so algorithm for bot was (pseudocode, $ for variables (=counters)):
some edits done so read again:
init:
$red = 0
$black = 1 (indices for bet, so that we can identify on what to bet by a number)
$counter = 0
$border = 0.1
$bet_on = $red (that is 0)
$aggresivity = 0.1
before spin:
make bet on $bet_on
after spin:
if bet won:
update $counter := ($bet_on - $counter)*$aggresivity
this way $counter moves towards winning option, := compute what is on right side and rewrite the value on left
if bet lost:
update $counter := ( (1-$bet_on) - $counter)*$aggresivity
this way $counter moves to opposite of losing(!) option, because if bet was on 0 then 1-0=1 and if bet was on 1 then 1-1=0, so it always computes the opposite index
check if we should change:
if $bet_on = $red and $counter >= 0.5+$border:
$bet_on := $black
else if $bet_on = $black and $counter <= 0.5-$border:
$bet_on := $red
so if one side started to dominate then the counter moved towards it and if it reached some value like 0.5(center)+0.1=0.6 or 0.5-0.1=0.4, time for change. It also means that if the counter oscillates around 0.5 for some time, then it will not be changing what to bet on so often.
Of course same algorithm could be used on $aggressivity parameter (not tested yet) so that if it does not work, it would become more aggresive and we have a method that adapts between follow the last and opposite.
I think everyone is getting a little mixed up here on this flat bet thing,
You can have a flat bet that 'grows'..........like as in 'Steps'.
You can also have a Progression bet that grows, usually for profit taking reasons,
more than recovery reasons.
Progressions are designed to cope with 'running loses', in that to return to either "Status-Quo", or break even with a 'tad' of profit (see George, I do know how to 'tad' it!), You have to increase your bet to cover the money now invested on the table.
Stepped Flat betting is an entirely different animal.
U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run, or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago, or are setting out a process, that copes with a certain bad run, which then turns into a good run.
For instance.
Say U knew that on an EC bet (like Red/Black), in your chosen casino, tends to get a good set of single series colours,. (which You could use a standard Marty for, to recover your original 1st chip value +profit), followed by a good run of ONE single colour.
But then after the singles series have past, U would Use a stepped Flat bet process, to ride through the expected Run of ONE colour results, and take max profit.
Of course your Final bet, U will lose, as the Single Color run will change, so the trick will be to stop early, or hope U made enough profit, to then take that final loss, without having to recover!
RouletteExplorer: could you please at least post spins on which you tested your method ?
I dont believe there is such a thing as a "stepped" flatbet thats called a progression. A flatbet does not change even a "tad" (everyone is using it :twisted: ) over time. It remains the same no matter what. If it increases it cant be called a flatbet. And Chris you just said you would up the flatbet to recover from losses "U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run, or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago" Thats then a progression not a flatbet. Flat bet meaning flat"never changes/consistently the same".
Progression is a special case of flat bet, where you sometimes bet less than the table limit :) .
Then its not a flat bet. Oh my word. Here is the definition:
Web definitions:| (Flat Bets) A type of wager in which the player bets the same amount on each roll, win or lose |
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thanks for the explanation Chrisbis, maybe I'm missing something, but..
Quote from: Chrisbis on Nov 05, 05:31 AM 2011
U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run
is that not a positive progression? :question:
Quote
or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago
& a negative one?
Thank you Monaco thats what im saying it cant be called a flatbet anymore
To be exact, flat bet is of course a bet where you bet same amount on the same chance with same payout. But in roulette there are not only progressions in bet size, but also progressions in risk, so you can't say just betting same amount is flat bet.
If you bet 1 unit on even chance and in case you lose you bet 1 unit on dozen and so on, then while you don't increase bet size, it is still progression.
Just to make definition correct :thumbsup:
by the way if someone believes that he is the lucky one who will experience positive deviations, then why he should flat bet? He should go with positive progression.
Okay choose an even chance put 1 unit on it for every single spin, What is it?
IMO a flat bet is a flat bet (one chip amount).. Simple as that. Anything else is a progression even if it is "staggered".
Quote from: monaco on Nov 05, 06:00 AM 2011
thanks for the explanation Chrisbis, maybe I'm missing something, but..
is that not a positive progression? :question:
No.
Positive progression is to do some after each event.
stepped Flat is to do something after a series of bets.
ie. ... U start out Ur session with a 1unit flat bet, lets say for instance, ur betting as in my BisCending4, on 9 inside numbers.
Ur bet is 1 unit x 9 numbers =9
U flat bet this bet for 4 spins, since each number would return 36 x 1=36, and 9 divides just nicely into 36/4 times! (BTW 9 inside numbers = 1/4 of the wheel/table)
Now after those 4 spins, U are either down -36 units, evens or at best (if U hit on each and every spin, +108 (there are other finishing positions U can end up in too)
So if U are down -36units, U have a choice as to what to do.
Play the same 'hand' again, or 'STEP' up Ur flat bet to 2 units!
U see what I mean.
Thats a STEPPED flat bet.
Thats not quite Positive progression, because U did not progress Ur bet each time.
A Flat bet with Positive progression, would have been Bet 9 units first spin(1 unit x 9 inside numbers)...
if lost, then Positively progress, and now bet 18 units on the second spin (2 units x 9 inside numbers)...
If lost, then Positively progress again, and now bet 27 units on the third bet (3 units x 9 inside numbers)...
and so on.
U see the difference.
Of course, if U win, and reduce Ur Positive progression steps, U are in the world of Reverse Positive Progression.. (and Not Negative Progression)
That's my take on it!
Quote& a negative one?
Yes, classically, if U progress every time U lose, just to cover that loss + the original intended profit, (ie. as in Classic Marty Progression), then U are indeed in the world of Negative Progression.
Negative Progression, can and does have steps in it too, if so desired, as in Grand Marty, where U will 'GROW' the expected profit return, instead of hoping and praying for the Original Profit !
Quote from: Juiced91 on Nov 05, 06:14 AM 2011
Okay choose an even chance put 1 unit on it for every single spin, What is it?
......a flat bet (no progression what so ever!).....not even a 'tad' George! lol
Quote from: Chrisbis on Nov 05, 06:43 AM 2011
stepped Flat is to do something after a series of bets.
maybe we're just splitting hairs here, but thats the gr8 player progression isn't it? flatbet for x amount of spins & then after seeing where you are, raise or lower your flatbet amount for the next x amount of spins.
QuotePlay the same 'hand' again, or 'STEP' up your flat bet to 2 units!
for me, any 'step' means its a progression, no matter when or where you do that step.
QuoteA Flat bet with Positive progression, would have been Bet 9 units first spin(1 unit x 9 inside numbers)...
if lost, then Positively progress, and now bet 18 units on the second spin (2 units x 9 inside numbers)...
If lost, then Positively progress again, and now bet 27 units on the third bet (3 units x 9 inside numbers)...
and so on.
that's a negative progression no?
Positive progression = you increase bet as you are winning, on losing revert to minimal bet.
Negative progression = you increase bet as you are losing, on (enough...) winning(s) revert to minimal bet.
Positive-negative progression = on winning increase bet somehow, on losing also increase.
Does not matter if there are several spins where the bet is flat, you can look at it that bet size is a real number but you have to round it down, up or nearest, but you increase it by some value on wins and decrease on loses, but never allow it go below one.
So if you play a positive progression on EC where you increase bet by 0.334 on winnings and a have a winning streak WWWWW then bet size is 1 1.334 1.668 2.002 2.336 2.670 and so on, but because you round down, you actually bet 1 1 1 2 2 2 and so on.
But just don't discuss this any more, it is pointless ;D .
let's say you play the doublestreets.
according to you're trigger you sometimes place one unit on just one dbl.street, one unit each on two dbl.streets ore one unit each on three dbl.streets.
would that count as flatbetting? :)
cheers hans
Yes that's Flat betting Hans, because U did not increase the value of the 1st D/street U bet on.
your just widening your hit opportunity.
Its Flat bet (as someone else says) till U change the value somehow! (one your first bet)
If U widen the bet, its still a Flat bet...............just more of them.
Think of it the same, if U didn't put those extra chips on your current Casino table, and instead went and put them on another Roulette wheel that happens to be spinning beside U!
Still a flat bet eh!
thanks chris :smile:
a question on this thread was the possibility of a progression to maximise the potential of a relatively stable flatbet - 1 possibility is to combine progressions according to their usefulness at a certain time.
1 example might be to begin with a d'Alembert. To a certain point, this works well when the wins & losses are fairly even or the losses do not outstrip the wins for too long a continuous period. However, at a certain point, it just becomes a hole that only a sustained period of wins over losses can reverse, which of course you cannot rely on happening soon enough.
There is a point (I think it's somewhere between a 25 & 50 unit drawdown) where continuous play of a d'Alembert becomes counter-productive. You need to change.
There are different possibilities.
If you are in the middle of a losing streak, continuing to play a negative progression can make things worse - you could switch to a positive progression to at least steady the ship- maybe a parlay or Pluscoup (Oscars Grind). In itself, Oscars Grind can also just float around in a big hole though, so if you see signs of recovery, there's nothing to stop you switching back to a negative progression to bring it home..
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Nov 05, 10:11 AM 2011
let's say you play the doublestreets.
according to you're trigger you sometimes place one unit on just one dbl.street, one unit each on two dbl.streets ore one unit each on three dbl.streets.
would that count as flatbetting? :)
cheers hans
Bet 1: 1 unit on a 5:1
Bet 2: 2 units on a 2:1
Bet 3: 3 units on a 1:1
not flatbetting in my book.
Having said that, lets not make a biggie out of it & i do agree with this -
Quote from: mr.ore on Nov 05, 07:27 AM 2011
But just don't discuss this any more, it is pointless ;D .
i know myself that a flat bet is betting the same amount on the bet selection of your choice of play.people are getting a little lost on the ec,s....you can make any ec bet with anything in the numbers of the table...or places on the table..
i know also for a fact that certain flat bet winning systems can,t be progressed on as you are chasing your losses its better to win a number of winning sessions against the losing sessions...you could easily lose all your profit chasing your tail..discipline is everything..the normal session is outlined at 100 spins which i think in itself is ok but a winning session is your expectancy to win so many units from spin 1 to spin 500...the profit unit reached is in effect your days work...boring but tedious.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 21, 07:29 AM 2011
i know myself that a flat bet is betting the same amount on the bet selection of your choice of play.people are getting a little lost on the ec,s....you can make any ec bet with anything in the numbers of the table...or places on the table..
i know also for a fact that certain flat bet winning systems can,t be progressed on as you are chasing your losses its better to win a number of winning sessions against the losing sessions...you could easily lose all your profit chasing your tail..discipline is everything..the normal session is outlined at 100 spins which i think in itself is ok but a winning session is your expectancy to win so many units from spin 1 to spin 500...the profit unit reached is in effect your days work...boring but tedious.
Cheers 6th-sense, reminds me of the first piece of advice i ever received on this forum - drop all negative progression, move in to flatbetting, limit your betting to a determined cycle.