Having a play around with this lately and seems like there may be something to be gained from it. Tried 1-3-9 prog, I think it's worth a look.
Have got another idea based around this but may involve a long wait so it would be played once or twice quite heavy. The idea is a bit more complicated. If anyone's interested then let me know. If so then maybe have a play around with the first concept to get a handle on it as it may take a bit of explaining.
Thanks
Woods
Quote from: woods101 on Nov 04, 07:51 PM 2011
Having a play around with this lately and seems like there may be something to be gained from it. Tried 1-3-9 prog, I think it's worth a look.
Have got another idea based around this but may involve a long wait so it would be played once or twice quite heavy. The idea is a bit more complicated. If anyone's interested then let me know. If so then maybe have a play around with the first concept to get a handle on it as it may take a bit of explaining.
Thanks
Woods
We got nothing but time.
Hit us with it.
Hi GLC,
Ok here goes. I know you're familiar with the above concept, well I've been testing the above method and like the original DC, you rarely encounter a double loss.
Using a matrix system of dcdc you are looking for repeat patterns within one column of results.
You then are looking to bet that you do not get a third repeat based on where the previous two repeats are, within the context of that column of results, so if as an example you have the 7th line in column 1 matching the 1st line in column 1, then you will be betting that the line of results on the 13th line doesn't match.
Example:
1A1C
1B3B
1C2B
1C2A
1B1C
1C1C
1A1C
1B1A
1B2A
1C3C
1C2B
1C2A
1B.. -This is where you bet against the outcome being: 1A1C
It doesn't matter the degree of separation between the repeats it could be only 1 line...
Example:
1A1C
1A1C
1... This is where you would bet.
or...
1A1C
1B3B
1A1C
1C1C
1.. - This where you bet.
You aim your sights at all 3 columns (1A1C,2A3B,3A3C etc.) and keep tracking until an opportunity becomes available.1-3-9 is the progression and place 1u on zero if you reach 3rd stage of the prog for a return to level BR if a win or a profit if zero hits.I have no idea about the maths involved regarding 3 repeat patterns with the same intervals between them but figure it's got to be slim. Whether in your favour or not is another matter.The only annoying thing is tracking for so long, hence go large.An alternative to this is Supercasino.com who offer the last 185 spins so you could work through them in which case I would guess you would find 3-4 betting opportunities that would be imminent. Just an idea for now. Woods
Great idea! Thanks for sharing.
A.
Not a bad idea, wonder how it would go on no zero table?
will try this
Hello Wood101,
Really great idea............
Amazing concept. I have looked at many angles for CODE4 but not this one :) ...........
There has to be something to this and will start testing........
Feel like a winner just by the lucky chance of finding your post.........
@everyone
Hope it all helps. Will keep investigating and keep you all posted.
Woods
Think there's merit to play all lines with a 1-3-9 prog with 1u on zero if on 3rd stage of prog.
Start with 28 units and aim to double BR in 1 session. Session would be about 4 hours or so(B&M).
If prog loses then take the loss and stop but unless you are v unlucky you will have had a few wins before then so a loss would v rarely (read:extremely v rarely) be a full 28 units gone in 1 session.
Whilst playing you are also tracking for stage 2 of your attack which is looking for repeat patterns as mentioned above. In any one session (of about 180 spins) you should have at least one opportunity to play it large, if not more. I have yet to see a loss with this attack but as chances to bet come round about every 40-50 spins it would take a lot of numbers to test in the long term. Any coders/takers?
I think this is quite strong guys.
Woods
P.s.
Just a thought but to provide more betting opportunities you could start another paralell matrix from your second spin of tracking alongside your first matrix (which started on the first spin)which I guess would give slightly different results and more betting chances?
Woods
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You don't like CODE4 Chrisbis..?
It doesn't work well at BV NZ amk.
I would try it at Live wheel soon.
Any tips and tweaks U can assist with?
Try the above chris and get on a live wheel. I have to say if your getting sent packets of ten numbers at a time this in no way guarantees trust of an rng. Your still easy to read and easy to knobble.
Quote from: woods101 on Nov 12, 01:08 PM 2011
Try the above chris and get on a live wheel. I have to say if your getting sent packets of ten numbers at a time this in no way guarantees trust of an rng. Your still easy to read and easy to knobble.
Sorry Ronnie, but your just plain wrong.................. :-\
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Fair doos mate. Each to theirs etc. I have a point that is made by the second half of the above mentioned method. We look for patterns in randomness and pray they last in the hope of capitalising on them. Maybe the opposite is better. When discovering a pattern, we bet upon it not continuing. This is more certain. Like waves on an ocean we see cycles form and move and then die out and disperse back into the water. This is what we capitalise on. Look for patterns within manageable betting options, i.e. dozens and columns as example. The more complex the better. When we see a pattern over a certain number of spins all beit spread out, we play against it repeating.
Randomness just isn't like that at all mate.
Random is designed to F*** U over as a friend of mine says (i'm too polite to repeat!)
So, what U have to do, is get one over on random, and as J.L. does, use the max power of progressions to see U over the 'Missing' hurdles.
The one problem I can foresee with ANY of the Matrix patterns is U are stuck with Ur bet selection, right there at the point of the Opportunity.
U can not choose the bet, it being chosen for U, by the rigidity of the Matrix grid formulation.
I will, just for the exercise, perform Open Heart Surgery at one of the Live wheels I know of, and see what happens.
May also put Amriks Silver-Side of Beef System on trial as well! :smile:
Here is a Classic example.
This screen shot is taken from the latest version of Ophis's excellent MST 1.5.3 tacker/clicker.
In the shot, there are two matrix bets, they both are active, and want U the player to bet on them.
The problem..... both bets are not the same, so that moment in time, when the matrix has chosen the OPPORTUNITY.... and the output from the Matrix Grid, is completely different!
How can it be?
Either one is right, or, as more likely, Neither are right!!
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1B3A3A1C2A2C1C3B2C1A2A2A0A2C0B3C1A3C3A3B3C2C1A2C3...
BET
AGAINST
C1A 1-3-9
1B3A3A1C2A2C1C3B2C1A2A2A0A2C0B3C1A3C3A3B3C2C1A2C3C2B2C1A1
BET
AGAINST
B3C 1-3-9
translated..
1B3A3A1C2A2C1C3B2C1A2A2A0A2C0B3C1A3C3A3B3C2C1A2C3...
BET
AGAINST
C1A 1-3-9
1B3A3A1C2A2C1C3B2C1A2A2A0A2C0B3C1A3C3A3B3C2C1A2C3C2B2C1A1....
BET
AGAINST
B3C 1-3-9
1B3A3A1C2A2C1C3B2C1A2A2A0A2C0B3C1A3C3A3B3C2C1A2C3C2B2C1A1....
BET
AGAINST
3A3 1-3-9
There's others buried in there also if you look closer...
or..
rbbbbrbbbrrrbrrrbbrbbrbrbrbr...
bet here against rb
translated:
RBbbbRBbbrrRBrrrbbRBbrbrbrBR..
bet here(BR) against RB
The longer and more complex the sequence the harder for random to stick to it maybe?
Try it you might like it ! :D
Soz don't know tracker or method but I guess you will have conflict if you play two opposing methods at the same time. would you have won if one of them was right? If so then it can't be the case that they're both wrong surely? Can't pass much more comment than that I'm afraid. Try the original method mentioned above mate. 27u. See how far you get.
I really like the way this looks, im surprised more people havent taken a second look at this method. Especially when you wait for a repeating pattern as you suggested. I am going to be testing this in live casinos this week and will report back with results. I will be playing sessions of 4 games as johnlegend has suggested. with a 1-3-9 progression.
I really like the way this looks, I'm surprised more people haven't taken a second look at this method. Especially when you wait for a repeating pattern as you suggested. I am going to be testing this in live casinos this week and will report back with results. I will be playing sessions of 4 games as johnlegend has suggested. with a 1-3-9 progression. i will be playing this with dc rules but also watching for those repeating patterns to emerge and bet against those when they present themselves, so far it looks very, very good.
Anonymous,
How did things go?
Hi Anonymous, GLC,
I think this may be stronger than straight DC but you're right - still play it the same way as JL etc. I haven't had the time to test this but it seems to stand up as well as original DC if not stronger.
I'm thinking of a variation which is to wait for the first two draws ie 3,a or 2,b etc you have various columns which start 1,a 1,b 1,c; 2,a 2,b 2c; etc.
You match the first two draws with whichever column and then play against the next three draws so you might have:
1 a 2 a 3 as ex and the next two draws are 1 a,
then place this in the 1,a column underneath so...
1 a 2 a 3
1 a
so here you are then playing against the next three draws being 2 a 3.
You are playing against 5 consecutive draws being the same as a previous 5 draws but you are still only risking 27 units.
Are the risks any less? I don't know. Not a maths guy but it seems less likely to me as a layman.
Woods
A word of warning tho - I haven't tested this very much at all (the original idea) much less the new variation so tread carefully and cautiously at the moment. Little stakes or just test it first and see how you go.
Woods
Hey woods,
Its been a while. Maybe we can get back in the spin of things.
How do you like this one:
1b2c2b1c1b3c3b1b2c1b2b2c1b2c
1b is spun in our first two spins
We then randomly chose when we enter the game and bet against 1b forming but this has to be following the same spin sequence, each two spins belongs together like 1b
1b2c2b1c1b3c3b1b2c1b2b2c1b2c here we lost because 1b appeared again
Now we wait for three patterns to form, or 6 spins and then bet against 1b forming again
1b2c2b1c1b3c3b1b2c1b2b2c1b2c 2c formed and we win
I like this because we are not following a fixed pattern. We step to the table and say I am going to play after 3 patterns have formed or 6 etc.. Each time will be different but perhaps we will stay in a range of 5 patterns or 10 spins or the sessions will get to long.
Good luck ANONYMOUS, whoever you are :)
HI AMK,
How's it going? is this working for you? What staking are you using?
woods
hey guys, a lot of testing still needs to be done, but i am curious how many times in for example divide and conquer you see a triple in one column for example
122
122
122 maybe we can just bet against a triple for only 8 units risk and if hit we bet against a quad using 4-12 hoping fora W so we only lose 4 units every triple i would think we shud win most of the time? or maybe i am disillusioned so i wonder what about betting against a triple like
2a3b
2a3b
2a3b <-- i have yet to see this once. ( in dc code 4 style) only risk is 26 units...
Quote from: ANONYMOUS on Mar 03, 04:43 AM 2012
hey guys, a lot of testing still needs to be done, but i am curious how many times in for example divide and conquer you see a triple in one column for example
122
122
122 maybe we can just bet against a triple for only 8 units risk and if hit we bet against a quad using 4-12 hoping fora W so we only lose 4 units every triple i would think we should win most of the time? or maybe i am disillusioned so i wonder what about betting against a triple like
2a3b
2a3b
2a3b <-- i have yet to see this once. ( in dc code 4 style) only risk is 26 units...
I have an acquaintence who plays nothing but bets like this. He has a whole slew of them that he watches for when he goes to Las Vegas. He watches the roulette tables for things like 9 colors or even chances in a row then bets for the break. He checks every location for the development of a rare event.
If you only bet your idea, it could be a long wait between bets, but if it was just one of the events you were watching for, I think it would work.
He does use a mild progression. If he's ahead when he leaves the casino he resets all progressions to 1. If he's behind, he has a way of balancing out the bet locations that he's behind on with the other locations so that all of his bets are just a little larger the next visit. This keeps the bet size of a location that's doing poorly from escalating out of control.
He swears that he wins 9 out of 10 trips to the casino.
Since he thinks he has the Holy Grail for beating roulette, he won't tell me any more. He has to go to Las Vegas to play
GLC
Amazing post GLC,
Had a little inspiration for your friend perhaps.......
1c2b1a3a3c1c once we have a two wide pattern repeat 1c we bet that it won't repeat on the
1c 3b3b2c1a1c next line
OR
2b3c3a2b
2b1a3c2b
this is very interesting, but something like this would be very difficult to test. now what if you were to use only one bankroll for all of them
For example lets say i decide to track 4 different systems each requiring 26 units for a full progression and my triggers would look something like the above betting against
2ab3
2ab3
------- bet this line wont be a triple and as i wait for that one ill watch another system for
a3b1
a3b1
------ so now if i make 7 hits on each system i will have made 28 units so all i need from each system is 7-1 to be on top... on an eventual loss i raise it to 2 units for a 52 unit bankroll on all systems, not just the one, for 12 total wins ( 3 on each) perhaps my logic is flawed, but i dont see how i wouldnt be able to get a high strike rate with those bets.
^ one of the above systems would have to lose within the very next three hits to lose the progression
also one interesting variation would be dc played with even chances even/odd high/low red /black all used simultaneously, mad streaks of just red or just even dont hurt you when you combine all ec's would look something like this
1EHR 2ELB 3OLR
1EHB 2OLR 3OHB
1EHB
1---- BET AGAINST THREE EHB FORMING IN SAME COLUMN only 7units
I think your flown ANONYMOUS, you just have to get some paper test down to get it to the next level.
Have a few questions but I see what your trying to do.
Could you apply it to the method I just described for GLC?
Each time we play there will be different sequence lengths
1b2c3c1b sequence length 4 patterns 1b 2c 3c 1b
1b1a3a1b
2c3a3b1b2a3b2c sequence length 7 patterns
2c1b2b1b3c3b2c
ETC
Ofcourse it will happen that a pattern sequence repeats however, because we continually keep changing sequence length bets there is a good chance that we evade a repeat occurring in that particular group. From the coaching I have received from the "math guys" it will be evident that after playing a certain group for a length of time you will encounter a repeat. But I think you could get far ahead of things..........
what do you mean by you think im flown? yes i agree, a paper test is in order. essentially what i am doing is waiting for the inevitable loss and then betting it wont lose again directly after. so essentially for this we would wait for
1b2c3c1b
1b2c3c1b
---bet here that it wont be 1b and 1b again at the end for a triple
what if we look at this
1b2c3c1b
2c1b3b2a
3b1a2c3a
2a1a1b1a
bet against a third repeat on the diagonal for 8units, on a loss wait for another trigger and do 4-12
Hello ANONYMOUS,
I spent most of last summer looking into your last approach. I meant your flowing as in your coming up with good approaches to the game.
In live continues play the method I described looks like this.
1b2c3c1b first game
1b1a2b3a1c2c3c3c2b end of first game/beginning of second game
2b3a3b1b2a2c3c21c1b end of second game/beginning of third game
1b 3c2c2a3a1a
For me this is more relevant as I have not yet looked into this.
at which point do you stop and reset? also suppose you have an 8 unit requirement which is what it looks like we can do 8 different set ups or systems whatever u want to call it, they each only have to hit ONCE to cover your bankroll, so as long as you dont lose on the first shot of any of them your covered right off the bat everything else is profit.
1b
2c 3b
1b 2b 3a
3a 2a 1b 3b
2a 3c 3b 3a 2a
make a new pyramid and bet a different pattern you are only limited by your imagination
Could you explain your progression and when you are betting in a short summary.
I can't see exactly how your betting concerning gaining so many units in your other games game.
Looked into the pyramid a while ago. JohnLegend felt it was a good system but he had enough to play with and did not continue on with it.
yes i believe it was kattila that brought up the pyramid idea. in terms of the other systems im not gaining that many units im just using a different perspective. i walk into the casino with 650 dollars, 26 quarters so now i look at the roulette wheel(s) and start tracking several systems waiting for something that looks like the following
1a2b 2a3c 3b2c
1a3b 2b2c 3b2a
2c3c
2c3c* ( trigger)
2------ here i bet against a triple 2c3c i track several of these simultaneously if i win its 1 unit with 26 at risk so now i win and i have 27u in my pocket I dont bet that system anymore i stop tracking it and wait for the others to show up with a trigger until each one hits once so if im tracking 5 systems thats a total of +5 units each system has to only hit once. on the same bankroll of 26 units each system has to hit 5 times to get 25 units. if each system has better than 5-1 strikerate then i am in profit.
If one loses, i switch to 2-6-18 for 52 units total on all systems regardless of which one loses,
so if each system hits 3 times at 2 units each x 5 =30 units gained you recover the previous loss so one of the systems would have to lose within the next 3 attempts in order to lose the entire progression, if the strike rate is as strong as i think it is, this should be no problem.
so this morning i woke up with this thought, why not play divide and conquer, and on a loss use code 4 to recover the loss then back to dc until another loss then back to code 4 to recover.. thats just a basic example. instead of dc you can use the one you just posted amk it uses the same amount of units, but instead of using the same system to recover switch to a different one to recover that has higher odds of winning. dc 8-1 code 4 80-1... see what im getting at here?
suppose i use dc, then on a loss play dc code 4 style, but playing against a triple as i stated before, then if that were to lose before covering 8 units then i would go to something like code 4 and wait for something like 1a2b 1a2b and bet against that happening third time until i recover then its back down to dc.
i can even change the unit size so dc would be 1-3 then the next system with 2-6-18 then the next with 4-12-36-108 380 unit total, aim for 20 units a day to recover the first loss you need to hit 4 times on the second system, and if it goes to the third you need to hit like 15 times with odds like that i can definitely see a lot of wins before an eventual loss,
maybe you can even skip the second step and just play the third so it would be 1-3 and 2-6-18-52
i believe that this is the way to go for me personally. im going to run some tests and see which way im going to go, in 9 days im going down to the casinos to implement the one i choose. any input would be appreciated.
essentially what im getting at is using one system to play and another system to recover the loss of the first, then back to the first system, second system is only for recovery purposes.
Hi ANONYMOUS,
maybe you try/test this idea Two ID ( see excel file)
about bet on two inside dozens, find your own triggers/way to play this.
I am sure inside groups are much better than outside groups ( personal
opinion/experience).
There is another one (inside 24 ) .
cheers
thanks kattila, are those numbers based on single zero? i really can only use american double zero unfortunately for me.. i was testing inside numbers in these groups for double 00
group 1: 3, 24, 36, 13, 1, 00, 27, 10, 25, 29, 12, 8
group2: 7, 11, 30, 26, 9, 28, 0, 2, 14, 35, 23, 4
group 3: 15, 34, 22, 5, 17, 32, 20, 19, 31, 18, 6, 21, 33, 16
seems to work quite well actually, not sure if that is just my imagination though?
I came up with something that is extremely strong, that is based on some of the principles i mentioned in earlier posts. It's in its final development stages, it will also require patience, but not too much. I will be going live with real money in 4-5 days and then i will post it up here in a new thread. I am confident it will be one of the best, ever.
How did you get on with real money tries?
Excellent subby, but ive had other issues here in atlantic city including, but not limited to, getting asked not to play craps at trump plaza anymore, getting into a fight, getting robbed as i was asleep which included my laptop so i havent been posting. I will tell you one thing though. Pick as many systems as you want lets say for example i come up with 400 different but similar systems and play each one only once. If u play 4 per day it will take you 100 days. This is more or less where im at right now. Ill be more detailed later
Hope you are alright ANONYMOUS.
Did you see my METHODTHON thread?
I like the idea of playing so many different systems. Keep in mind that several BR's are needed and a good recovery game sequence in case of a loss somewhere.
I havent seen the thread can u supply a link im having trouble finding it