Mr J...Ken. A professional player.
And one SO successful he's now left forums to enable more time for playing.
Immediately, I sat up and took notice of that.
I've carefully gone though all his posts.
Certain things stand out:
1 He only bets inside numbers
2 He never bets more than 4 at a time
3 He always flat bets. NO progressions
4 He leaves the casino when he's made good profits
5 He leaves the casino at a pre-defined level of loss.
6 He bets only on LIVE wheels. [Never RNG]
7 He has posted several profitable methods that he uses all the time.
There are all the dots.
Now join them up yourselves all you butterflies who flit from flower to flower to flower in a compulsive search for nectar.
Profitable paths are never going to be made any clearer!
When I first joined I enquired about profitable methods but from the limited responses I quickly realised I'd have to do my own research.
So I've since read, watched, waited and learned.
Thanks, Ken, for opening my eyes, and for the methods you've so kindly shared.
hi, and witch method you like? I was liking his minds too.
what's up twangbone
Sorry, just had to say that :)
Mr J showed us a lot.
Quote from: twangbone on Mar 01, 07:28 PM 2012
> Certain things stand out:
1 He only bets inside numbers
2 He never bets more than 4 at a time
3 He always flat bets. NO progressions
4 He leaves the casino when he's made good profits
5 He leaves the casino at a pre-defined level of loss.
6 He bets only on LIVE wheels. [Never RNG]
7 He has posted several profitable methods that he uses all the time.
You forgot 8>
8 MrJ finally lost a shitpile of money in quick succession and went running with his tail between his legs. :o
i don't think so, Skakus. If he did he would not tell anyone anything here. I think he is doing well.
I hope I'm wrong and you're right iggiv.
Very true Skakus.
Quote8 MrJ finally lost a shitpile of money in quick succession and went running with his tail between his legs
Sorry to say but I agree, we may be wrong but it does fit the pattern, when people are winning they are happy, they need to tell others or brag a bit maybe. Many people have left the forums after something drastic happened, we know who they are.
Either they give up trying to convince others, shallow posts, no good stats etc or they lose with their praised method that they were trying to convince everyone with and POST I am leaving etc, some don't even have the nuts to say I lost big, a few have in the past but most run off saying they've found the grail/method.
Each to their own I suppose.
Quote from: superman on Mar 02, 06:10 AM 2012
Sorry to say but I agree, we may be wrong but it does fit the pattern, when people are winning they are happy, they need to tell others or brag a bit maybe. Many people have left the forums after something drastic happened, we know who they are.
Either they give up trying to convince others, shallow posts, no good stats etc or they lose with their praised method that they were trying to convince everyone with and POST I am leaving etc, some don't even have the nuts to say I lost big, a few have in the past but most run off saying they've found the grail/method.
Each to their own I suppose.
There are different reasons for guys to leave a forum. If i go i go quietly but im not very
judgemental person so i wish Mr J best of luck. Its not a place and time to speculate on somebody's reasons.
Regards
lol i like this phrase
QuoteNow join them up yourselves all you butterflies who flit from flower to flower to flower in a compulsive search for nectar.
i will use it as my own ...
exactly, Rob. I got a feeling that some guys feel better when they tell everyone that Ken lost.
but i don't think so.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Mar 02, 07:43 AM 2012
There are different reasons for guys to leave a forum. If i go i go quietly but I'm not very
judgemental person so i wish Mr J best of luck. Its not a place and time to speculate on somebody's reasons.
Regards
No,it's not like that someone feel better,it is not intentional or too personal to him :girl_to:
I have a very good winmethod. I would never reveal anything. I would never post anything about it. I lost some, I won more than i lost. And do so on a regular basis. I am not in the need to prove anything to anyone.
Since the most of You just spend your time ether try to crash peoples stats/mehods. Or to ASSUME this one did that or this one did this. That guy lost that, He won that.. and so on. A very few of You actually KNOW anything about what the players around here did or does..You THINK You know. But you dont.
Theres has been posts on this Board at several occations that clearly tells You all how to get the Edge. But all You do is keep on with your "meaningless tests and systems. And try to crush players who got this Edge.
Not good fellows. Start think out of the Box
/Maan
@ Maan.
I used to think outside of the box and it didn't make things any better.
So I decided to rip the whole box apart and tear it up into little pieces.
Now I regularly win more than I lose, and now that Ken is gone I probably win more than anyone else on the forum. :P
I won't share either, it's all mine, mine, mine! And not even the great superman could code this one so it's no point him asking to pay me to code it either. :P
Like Mr J used to say > I win and you don't. Put that in your sock!
Sheesh!
Hello Maan,
:)
You might be looking too much at the negative then the positive concerning the forum players.
I had an interesting thought concerning a "grail", I prefer "winning method". I think that even if anyone posted it clearly even showing 1 million spins beat nothing would change too much. I think you will always have "somebody" say that it is not good etc. and people will lose interest. This is in the interest of somebody.
Maybe a little over the top
I'll bet anybody that Mr J shows up again
ps and I"ll share my profits with him :)
Well, it is not very nice to brag about stuff and then just shut up. I mean if u win -- good for u, but is it not better just keep it for yourself and not brag about it? There used to be a good rule: put up or shut up.
this forum is not about bragging how much u won but rather about helping each other. So when someone tells everybody else: "i win at roulette and it is all mine, mine, mine", then what r u doing in this forum? Staying here just to brag about your achievements?
i don't think that's a good idea. And telling around that u r smarter than anybody else here -- does not make u one, but rather on the contrary.
that's what i think. This forum was created for helping each other. Of course nobody has obligation to tell all his secrets, and many people may have secrets here. But most of the people don't come here just to brag about their secrets.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 03, 06:27 PM 2012
Well, it is not very nice to brag about stuff and then just shut up. I mean if u win -- good for u, but is it not better just keep it for yourself and not brag about it? There used to be a good rule: put up or shut up.
this forum is not about bragging how much u won but rather about helping each other. So when someone tells everybody else: "i win at roulette and it is all mine, mine, mine", then what r u doing in this forum? Staying here just to brag about your achievements?
i don't think that's a good idea. And telling around that u r smarter than anybody else here -- does not make u one, but rather on the contrary.
that's what i think. This forum was created for helping each other. Of course nobody has obligation to tell all his secrets, and many people may have secrets here. But most of the people don't come here just to brag about their secrets.
Well said iggiv. I agree 100%.
You should take notice, Maan. :thumbsup:
going back to the subject about winning methods. I personally think that using wheel layout one way or another may help a lot. It could be a wheel layout, or it could be matrix based on a wheel layout.
Kimo Li has lots of research done on this, and some of results You can find here or in another "old" VLS forum. vlsroulette.com
i think if u don't know what to do it may be a good idea to try. No guarantees of course. And it is not gonna be easy.
there are also some other good methods posted on those forums.
"It could be matrix based on a wheel layout"
I like that one iggiv.
Quote from: amk on Mar 03, 06:54 PM 2012
"It could be matrix based on a wheel layout"
I like that one iggiv.
I second that, it sparked my mind right away, am working on it now.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 03, 06:27 PM 2012
Well, it is not very nice to brag about stuff and then just shut up. I mean if u win -- good for u, but is it not better just keep it for yourself and not brag about it? There used to be a good rule: put up or shut up.
this forum is not about bragging how much u won but rather about helping each other. So when someone tells everybody else: "i win at roulette and it is all mine, mine, mine", then what r u doing in this forum? Staying here just to brag about your achievements?
i don't think that's a good idea. And telling around that u r smarter than anybody else here -- does not make u one, but rather on the contrary.
that's what i think. This forum was created for helping each other. Of course nobody has obligation to tell all his secrets, and many people may have secrets here. But most of the people don't come here just to brag about their secrets.
like x 100 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maan on Mar 03, 10:23 AM 2012
I have a very good winmethod. I would never reveal anything. I would never post anything about it. I lost some, I won more than i lost. And do so on a regular basis. I am not in the need to prove anything to anyone.
Since the most of You just spend your time ether try to crash peoples stats/mehods. Or to ASSUME this one did that or this one did this. That guy lost that, He won that.. and so on. A very few of You actually KNOW anything about what the players around here did or does..You THINK You know. But you don't.
Theres has been posts on this Board at several occations that clearly tells You all how to get the Edge. But all You do is keep on with your "meaningless tests and systems. And try to crush players who got this Edge.
Not good fellows. Start think out of the Box
/Maan
Just correct you - don't use the word edge as you could have one using roulette systems.
The proper word to use is high strike ratio.
"...who flit from flower to flower to flower in a compulsive search for nectar."--Twangbone
No need to search the flowers...grind various flowers and create your own nectar.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 04, 07:03 AM 2012
"...who flit from flower to flower to flower in a compulsive search for nectar."--Twangbone
No need to search the flowers...grind various flowers and create your own nectar.
True :-)
Here's what I've discovered. I have played systems that I tested with excellent results. I have won consistently with some of them and then came the session(s) from hell and either brought me back to zero or almost. Note: I never give back everything I've won after reaching +500 units. I quit that system and play another one. Usually, I'm working on 2 or 3 others at all times.
I think that's what we can expect. Play a method or system and win with it but realize that at any time you could, and unless you are very lucky, eventually will have a series of losses that will cause you to question whether you were just being lucky and now reality has caught up with you or is this just a freak losing period and all you need to do is stay steady and you'll weather the storm and come out on top soon. This mentality could spell disaster.
At worst you could be in a bad deviation pattern that will last your lifetime and at best you could be in a good deviation pattern that will last your lifetime. Remember, in the overall scope of things, most of us will bet relatively few spins in the years allotted to us.
Just a thought to cheer you up. >:D
GLC
DON'T PLAY WITH MONEY YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE!
DON'T PLAY WITH MONEY YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE!
Butterflies... :twisted: .. :twisted: . :twisted: :twisted:
Regards
Max
GLC, your running lines are very cool and right. Thanx. :thumbsup:
Quote from: GLC on Mar 04, 11:48 AM 2012
Here's what I've discovered. I have played systems that I tested with excellent results. I have won consistently with some of them and then came the session(s) from hell and either brought me back to zero or almost. Note: I never give back everything I've won after reaching +500 units. I quit that system and play another one. Usually, I'm working on 2 or 3 others at all times.
I think that's what we can expect. Play a method or system and win with it but realize that at any time you could, and unless you are very lucky, eventually will have a series of losses that will cause you to question whether you were just being lucky and now reality has caught up with you or is this just a freak losing period and all you need to do is stay steady and you'll weather the storm and come out on top soon. This mentality could spell disaster.
At worst you could be in a bad deviation pattern that will last your lifetime and at best you could be in a good deviation pattern that will last your lifetime. Remember, in the overall scope of things, most of us will bet relatively few spins in the years allotted to us.
Just a thought to cheer you up. >:D
GLC
I'm not sure what you're trying to say GLC. There are no reliable systems out there?
Btw, everyone Ignore Maan, he's being childish. I bet he's losing right now.
GLC is right i think. Most of the systems won't work consistently, and when u won some better move on. Unless you r using bias, dealer signature or VB of course.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 04, 06:58 PM 2012
GLC is right i think. Most of the systems won't work consistently, and when u won some better move on. Unless you're using bias, dealer signature or VB of course.
well, I still new when it comes to gambling and statements like that worries me. I'm under the impression that both you and GLC are veterans on here. Surely both of you would have set of systems that can win consistant profits by now? Otherwise, what is the point of having this forum or talk about roulette if all system fails?
i am not a veteran, it's been like maybe 2.5 years i am involved with roulette.
u should realize something. Most, absolutely most of mechanical systems fail on a long run. Still there are some smart gamblers that win. How? they don't just use one certain system all the time.
They use smart tactics. they never ride losing streak. They do ride winning streaks. they use smart money management. They know when to switch their tactics and so on.
if i am a mod here it does not mean that i am necessarily a perfect roulette pro which can teach u winning. This is a very complicated matter. you should find something that suits you and also study some legitimate gambling literature like Brett Morton, Lee Tutor, Kimo Li, and others.
So GLC right about this: if u just come and bet and bet and bet using the same method, usually u will lose. But if u will use this method smartly u can be ahead. Switching methods may help a lot.
also i encourage you to get Roulette Extreme software (if u did not get one), there is a trial version u can try for some time. It is inexpensive and worth it if u gonna be involved with roulette.
Download real spins from this forum or from German spielbank websites, and play with RX, it may help a lot before u go to real casino.
winning roulette has never been an easy task. If it was casinos would not exist by now.
Wise words Iggiv.
Here's a short rant if you don't mind.
Many players feel that they have a winning system betting on straight up numbers and maybe they do. My thoughts are that each formula used on straight up numbers should work if applied to splits, streets, lines even dozens. If they don't, it could mean that it's just going to take 35 times as long for reality to come knocking.
Here's my suggestion to all butterflies (not a bad thing to be in the overall scheme of things) pick a system that you really like to play. Learn it, test it, practice it until you can play it with "half your brain tied behind your back". Your tests should indicate that it has a very good chance to win every time you play it. Test it for 3,000 bets and if it is still ahead or even if it's even, that's about as sure as you're going to get that it's a strong system.
Learn to win with it. Here's a comment by Malcop that I think is worth incorporating in your technique.
I read somewhere to just accept what the table gives you, and don't try to force it and that's how I play, I never try and force a win or profit, just grateful for what I can get out of the session.
If a session is really tough that is telling me to get what I can and get the hell out of there!
When I'm in a session I'm always evaluating based on how the session is going when is the best time to exit, it's not always as easy as saying I will exit the session when I lose my buy-in or when I get to a certain target, because it is always changing, and you have to base your decision on what you know up to that point not what may or may-not happen.
Maybe that's why I have a high strike rate who knows but it works for me.
That's why I believe that no two people could ever have the same results unless they play like robots, my play is mechanical but not always my exit points, if my gut say go now, go when I reach say +6 again then that's what I do, learnt from experience the hard way to listen to that little voice.
If you do this, I think you can win consistently with many of the systems on this forum. Ken has posted some excellent systems but they take a pretty long session at the casinos to play them properly.
Atlantis has also posted some good ones that have a high strike rate and some very gradual progressions that can keep you out of serious trouble.
F_LAT_INO has posted some very good systems. Some are a little hard to play and get your bets out in time unless you are willing to really practice until you are proficient at them. He also recommends playing sessions of 350 spins. That's 6-8 hours depending on how busy the table is. I can tell you from experience that that's a days work. Not for the faint of heart.
I don't want to keep naming real veterans because I'll forget someone and they'll be mad at me.
Many of my systems use a steep progression. Forget them. Most of us, including myself, don't have the metal to make a multi-hundred unit bet knowing that if it loses, you have make another one even larger. If you can play for pennies maybe. For dollars, I doubt it.
If you don't love to play roulette, forget about it. You're just kidding yourself unless you just hope to pick up a couple of bucks for a short hour or two at the casino. This is hard work. Here's a reality check, you must love to play roulette in order to start small and build a bankroll to a size that wins enough to satisfy that inner urge we all have. That inner urge will not let you sit for hours and play for pennies if you have a $10 inner urge. If your inner urge is only satisfied by $10 units and you can't afford to play for $10 units then you must have the discipline of champion to build your bankroll. A rare feat, you can be sure. Many talk about doing it. Almost none do it.
I know that I'm being a little negative, but these things I'm telling you, you will discover one way or the other. I just want you to be realistic about this journey you're on.
Just because Malcop can win playing his "simple trend catcher" system doesn't mean that you can! He has developed some inner signals that can't be taught, you have to learn them on your own and they may work better for you with a totally different system.
Pick your own system that you love to play and start climbing the mountain. The sooner you do, the sooner you'll get to the top.
Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox.
Peace my friends,
GLC
My 2 c. Make your statistics with RX and different german tables on a long run. for example play till u get certain percentage of your bankroll, skip 50 spins then play again. do it with different percentages and different numbers of skipped spins. Find "rhythm" of your winnings, when u lose more, when u win more. Find more or less safe "rhythm". For example: u make 5 % of your bankroll or u play till u win. then u skip N spins till u be back to the same wheel. Try it with different wheels.
there could be certain statistical data which can be used by you to play safer.
and of course collect your statiscs as jpg files for bankroll trends in RX. that's why RX is very useful.
U can safely "lose" with RX and german data as much as u want. this way u "lose" virtually, and your money is SAFE.
remember roulette is a tricky bastard, and even for a few days u can win before u start losing.
but more wheels for more "days" and more spins u test it --if u win there is a chance that your method can be good for hit-n-run.