One of the biggest mistakes made in roulette is poor money management. Its the age old problem. The player brings a small bankroll to the game say 50 units. And expects to win a small fortune. What will transpire virtually every time. Is he will be wiped out in a short time. Develope an attitude that the game is unbeatable and carry that mindset with him or her for life.
HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE?
The minumum bankroll a player should bring to the game is around 200 units. It allows for downturns and losses that virtually every method will throw up from time to time. It also STAYS IN THE PLAYERS MIND. That they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.
SESSION/DAILY PROFIT TARGETS??
The second element and just as crucial is what YOU expect to WIN each time you play a session of roulette. Many are often battling the inherent greed most have naturaly in them. They want the biggest profit margin possible. And this is often the stumbling block for many. If you have a 200 unit bankroll. A sensible daily target would be 2.5% increase. Or about 5 units.
If you adhere to this over time. Your bankroll will become very strong. And you reach a point where being wiped out. Is virtually impossible. I myself set a target of 3 units gain per session/day. Starting with a 200 unit bankroll. Over the next 100 sessions it grew to 500 units.
At that point you NOW can think about raising your daily profit margin to again approximately 2.5% of your total BR. So for 500 units I would be looking for around 10---15 units gain per session. Or and more sensibly. I would maintain smaller unit targets. BUT, raise the value a unit is worth. that's how I have always played. Ist not how many units you win, but their value that is important. And I think everyone would agree. Winning three units a day. Is a lot easier than 15.
Even casual players are often ahead during their sessions. The problem of course is they have no self control/discipline. And usually leave the game at a loss. I hope this post will be of benefit to players. Especially newbies. Who may not have any idea of how much is sensible to start with.
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What size of bankroll would you see to be common or have some kind of releastic win goal.
Quote from: ego on Jun 10, 08:51 AM 2012
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What size of bankroll would you see to be common or have some kind of releastic win goal.
200 units minumum to begin with Ego. Then you aim for around 2.5% increase per session. Each time you double your bankroll you can double your daily targets. But never go beyond that 2.5 percent target. Roulette is a game of extreme discipline. I didn't have it for many years. And OF COURSE I lost plenty. Since I have lived by the rules I've outlined. Very few days have ended in negative numbers.
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I don't have to agree with you and no need to teach me.
But i like sometimes to read what pepole say about you and what you claim.
I believe you.
I think if some one like you that learn the hard way can find a solution to hovering above the negative expectation with the right discipline - like a iron steel mouse who take hes daily bite.
I speak to others who not are interested being at public forums and who also say you can win for several months - but that sooner or later the negative turnaround comes and take a huge bite into your bank - but that does not mean you lose it all and are done.
Is just a way to describe that being a professional gambler you need funds to coup with does days when everything seems to come against you no matter how much discipline you have.
I also suspect that it takes some serios amount spending in the casino - kind of a life style and is not for every one.
I belive if some one would reach some kind of succes using systems they have to be slight obsessive about the hole thing to succed.
""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""
I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.
But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....
Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).
The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.
thanks
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 10, 09:25 AM 2012
""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""
I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.
But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....
Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).
The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.
thanks
Hola Master
You picked a wrong thread commenting on hit n run ;D John is very sensitive about this subject.
There is no argument that will convince him that H n R does not work. Nice try n welcome again here. Its lots of fun.
Regards
I don t have to convince anyone about anything... I am just saying the right things according to the absolute maths....the ones that have brains will get it , the one that don t will reject it.
I am just trying to help.
Thanks
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 10, 09:48 AM 2012
I don't have to convince anyone about anything... I am just saying the right things according to the absolute maths....the ones that have brains will get it , the one that don't will reject it.
I am just trying to help.
Thanks
Don't bring up any mathematical or statistics based arguments here. U will be dismissed as a math boy. And as 2 discussing BR requirements it depends on what is yr style of play n win goal.
There r no rules set in stone. My daily goal is to increase my BR by 30% n some r okay with 5%...
Regards
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 10, 08:38 AM 2012
One of the biggest mistakes made in roulette is poor money management. Its the age old problem. The player brings a small bankroll to the game say 50 units. And expects to win a small fortune. What will transpire virtually every time. Is he will be wiped out in a short time. Develope an attitude that the game is unbeatable and carry that mindset with him or her for life.
HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE?
The minumum bankroll a player should bring to the game is around 200 units. It allows for downturns and losses that virtually every method will throw up from time to time. It also STAYS IN THE PLAYERS MIND. That they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.
SESSION/DAILY PROFIT TARGETS??
The second element and just as crucial is what YOU expect to WIN each time you play a session of roulette. Many are often battling the inherent greed most have naturaly in them. They want the biggest profit margin possible. And this is often the stumbling block for many. If you have a 200 unit bankroll. A sensible daily target would be 2.5% increase. Or about 5 units.
If you adhere to this over time. Your bankroll will become very strong. And you reach a point where being wiped out. Is virtually impossible. I myself set a target of 3 units gain per session/day. Starting with a 200 unit bankroll. Over the next 100 sessions it grew to 500 units.
At that point you NOW can think about raising your daily profit margin to again approximately 2.5% of your total BR. So for 500 units I would be looking for around 10---15 units gain per session. Or and more sensibly. I would maintain smaller unit targets. BUT, raise the value a unit is worth. that's how I have always played. Ist not how many units you win, but their value that is important. And I think everyone would agree. Winning three units a day. Is a lot easier than 15.
Even casual players are often ahead during their sessions. The problem of course is they have no self control/discipline. And usually leave the game at a loss. I hope this post will be of benefit to players. Especially newbies. Who may not have any idea of how much is sensible to start with.
And I have an obligation especially to newbies to say that everything in this post is gambler's fallacy, and I think that the author of this post well known that.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 10, 09:25 AM 2012
""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""
I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.
But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....
Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).
The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.
thanks
Hello Pockets. I don't fully agree with your statement. But I won't try to convince you. All I can personally go by our the results I have attained over the years. Other members on the forum are having similar success. Such as Chauncy47 and Warrior. So winning in short bursts of play is not unique to me. I can't explain it no one can. One of my methods Pattern Breaker has at present given me 54 consecutive wins for the VERY FIRST. Game of the day.
I know I could never sit there and win even 30 games in a row. So can anyone explain. How I've won 54 first games of the day. NO, but I have. The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions. I've still lost approx once every 11---12 games I've played. But again that single first game of the day has survived for 54 consecutive days. Not all can be explained by math. that's all I say.
Quote from: speed on Jun 10, 10:47 AM 2012
And I have an obligation especially to newbies to say that everything in this post is gambler's fallacy, and I think that the author of this post well known that.. :thumbsup:
Gamblers fallacy??? Expalin yourself.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 10, 10:20 AM 2012
Don't bring up any mathematical or statistics based arguments here. U will be dismissed as a math boy. And as 2 discussing BR requirements it depends on what is yr style of play n win goal.
There r no rules set in stone. My daily goal is to increase my BR by 30% n some r okay with 5%...
Regards
30% Robeenhuut. Are you serious???
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The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions
Facts are facts. I agree - How else then could it be explained, Speed?
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 10, 10:57 AM 2012
30% Robeenhuut. Are you serious???
Absolutely John. Thats my goal n of coz i dont reach it every day. I just hardly ever play any progression anymore just mostly outside bets or EC's. Being pegged as a math boy i just figured that any progression is pointless n dangerous 2 yr pocket. ;D
QuoteI know I could never sit there and win even 30 games in a row. So can anyone explain. How I've won 54 first games of the day. NO, but I have. The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions. I've still lost approx once every 11---12 games I've played. But again that single first game of the day has survived for 54 consecutive days. Not all can be explained by math. that's all I say.
Random fluctuation does not have to come against you it can also following your path for 54 consecutive days as it could been the opposite.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 10, 11:27 AM 2012
Absolutely John. that's my goal n of because i don't reach it every day. I just hardly ever play any progression anymore just mostly outside bets or ECs. Being pegged as a math boy i just figured that any progression is pointless n dangerous 2 yr pocket. ;D
That's where you are so very wrong Robeenhuut. Its all starting to make sense now. 30% is plain stupidity. Take away the zero and you are in the right ballpark. That is why I can use a progression and progress Robeenhuut. Its still not even 1/20th of my total BR. Everything is relative. Now that I realize your impatience to go forward is your shortcoming. Everything about you makes sesnse.
You can't avoid trade-offs, what you gain in one respect you lose in another. So yes it might be easier to make 3 units rather than 30, but in order for those 3 units to be worthwhile your unit size has to be correspondingly large. And if your unit size is large then any drawdowns are obviously going to cost more (or the same) in absolute terms compared to someone who's target is 30 units but is using smaller unit sizes.
There's no real advantage one way or the other, it comes down to your personal preference and style of play.
There's nothing wrong with having a target, but just don't think it gives you any advantage having a small % target - it doesn't. That's just the classic gambler's fallacy of believing if you quit while you're ahead than you'll win (hit & run in another guise).
That's just the classic gambler's fallacy of believing if you quit while you're ahead than you'll win (hit & run in another guise).
All........
The simple truth is that IF you could get ahead and IF you could always quit, you would always win.
IF......
Thank you, Bayes!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 10, 03:31 PM 2012
That's just the classic gambler's fallacy of believing if you quit while you're ahead than you'll win (hit & run in another guise).
All........
The simple truth is that IF you could get ahead and IF you could always quit, you would always win.
IF......
Thank you, Bayes!
Sam
No fallacy Sam. I aways quit ahead. It makes perfect sence. If I play for just 3 to 6 units a session. I am far more likely to achieve this. Those 3 to 6 units soon add up.Instead of busting a gut and trying to increase my BR by 30%. As Robeenhuut suggested. You don't expose yourself to randoms fickle trends too long. that's the golden secret.
When I take on Bayes version of a roulette game I will play more aggressively than usual with just a 200 unit BR. Aiming for at least 5---10% increase a session. Instead of my usual 2.5 to 5% This will be to show that I can beat random. Without the need to have some super cushion of say 2000 units. So that even if I have a bad day. I can bounce back. I'm putting myself on the line here. Because I want people to once and for all see. That roulette has never been unbeatable. The thing that's been unconquerable is the weakness of the human mind among the masses who play this game..
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 12, 04:34 PM 2012
No fallacy Sam. I aways quit ahead. It makes perfect sence. If I play for just 3 to 6 units a session. I am far more likely to achieve this. Those 3 to 6 units soon add up.Instead of busting a gut and trying to increase my BR by 30%. As Robeenhuut suggested. You don't expose yourself to randoms fickle trends too long. that's the golden secret.
When I take on Bayes version of a roulette game I will play more aggressively than usual with just a 200 unit BR. Aiming for at least 5---10% increase a session. Instead of my usual 2.5 to 5% This will be to show that I can beat random. Without the need to have some super cushion of say 2000 units. So that even if I have a bad day. I can bounce back. I'm putting myself on the line here. Because I want people to once and for all see. That roulette has never been unbeatable. The thing that's been unconquerable is the weakness of the human mind among the masses who play this game..
I can beat roulette even by playing continuously day and night. I post the system later O0
everyone is different and what works for one person may not necessarily work for another depending on which way they go about it!
I have a daily 40 unit bankroll. I look to make 40 units profit through a series of mini games which only have a span of about 4-5 spins (excluding the lucky games which go on an extra couple of spins)
All I need to do is win more sessions than I lose. Keep it simple!
4 winning days vs 2 losing days is still 80 units ahead at the end of the week.
I DON'T allow myself to lose any more than 40 units in ANY one day.
I may play a second session at another casino on occasion looking for another 40 units. The worst that can happen is that I lose the 40 units and I have broke even on the day. It may be that I struggle in the second session and hover around +20 and decide to call it quits with that bit extra.
I hit 5 casinos last month all in one day and took something from every one of them. (That has never happened before and most likely will never happen again)
I don't believe in big bankrolls. I have always maintained you better be prepared to lose whatever you go in with. And I certainly 'aint walking into a casino with 500 units to do my nuts in with. That would suggest to me anyhow that you 'aint really got a method and are just hoping to get lucky. Well there is not much difference between 40 and 500 if you have nothing. 40 just means you will lose less.
FLUKE 40 units I dont recommend neither 500, You talk of winning like it was a surprise to you, If your method is any good losing should be a surprise, Random doesnt know one casino from another, It will do its thing those who can beat it will, Those who cant will become negative and swear its a fools game,
I know greed kills..but 2.5 % i was told by a persistent member,better for him to stay home instead of playing to win that amount.
-How many sessions for recovering,do I need if I lose all my session BKR?
-Am I conscious that more I play ,more the VIG will kill me?
The answer to the two questions is similar:
-Play only a few spins and have only a few units(high value) as BKR,(bold strategy)
At the end the result will be minus 2,70% of all money I have put on the table,so the conclusion would be not to play at all,but if you MUST play follow the rules here above and hope the "at the end" is as late as possible
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 12, 04:34 PM 2012
No fallacy Sam. I aways quit ahead. It makes perfect sence. If I play for just 3 to 6 units a session. I am far more likely to achieve this. Those 3 to 6 units soon add up.Instead of busting a gut and trying to increase my BR by 30%. As Robeenhuut suggested. You don't expose yourself to randoms fickle trends too long. that's the golden secret.
When I take on Bayes version of a roulette game I will play more aggressively than usual with just a 200 unit BR. Aiming for at least 5---10% increase a session. Instead of my usual 2.5 to 5% This will be to show that I can beat random. Without the need to have some super cushion of say 2000 units. So that even if I have a bad day. I can bounce back. I'm putting myself on the line here. Because I want people to once and for all see. That roulette has never been unbeatable. The thing that's been unconquerable is the weakness of the human mind among the masses who play this game..
Hello John
When was last time when u played outside chances n flat bet on just few numbers? I play only with 100u bankroll in a session n 1 win 4 me its on average 30u. Very often i get it in few spins but f i feel like it i go 4 more. My personal best was around 300u in 3 hours. That was a heavy grinding :D I just use a different approach than yours. I call it hit n stay. Grinding methods never worked 4 me. I just have no patience n my mind is weak 2. But i always excelled at mathematics and statistics. However science only really helps me 2 find out what not 2 do while playing roulette.
Regards
QuoteYou don't expose yourself to randoms fickle trends too long. that's the golden secret.
That is fiction and not the golden secret.
Facts is that it does not matter how you clustering the distribution or how you play with or against any kind of existing formation/pattern - because when you add them all up they become the same thing as any distribution - there exist no short cut !!!
That is why hit and run methodology is the same thing as any other existing bet selection.
Ego that is soon to be disproved, Hit and Run simply doesnt pan out that way, The reason being on occasion you will defy the expected breakdown of wins and losses by going on a freak winning streak, Pattern breaker is the perfect example, Most of the time you get something like this WWWWLWWWWWWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWL Then once in a while this happens WWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL That EGO is how I end up with an overall strikerate hovering between 11/1 to 12/1, And with 7/1 repuired to break even, Profit is secured,
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 09:08 AM 2012
Ego that is soon to be disproved, Hit and Run simply doesn't pan out that way, The reason being on occasion you will defy the expected breakdown of wins and losses by going on a freak winning streak, Pattern breaker is the perfect example, Most of the time you get something like this WWWWLWWWWWWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWL Then once in a while this happens WWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL That EGO is how I end up with an overall strikerate hovering between 11/1 to 12/1, And with 7/1 repuired to break even, Profit is secured,
Hola John
Get any method with a low strike rate. U dont need Pattern breaker. Make it 4 example Pattern 5 - u bet against formation of 3 Ec's in 3 wide matrix against 5th horizontal row. Bet selection in this case is completely irrelevant. If u play it 4 some time n r lucky u can get strike rate better than average (7/1) but beware... correction is coming. My advice is 2 get out b4 yr strike rate drops 2 average expected level n u still have some profit. It will happen no matter if u play it continuously or hit n run. And believe me yr profit is far from secured.
Regards
I dont agree with this correction theory, and heres why, Pattern Breakers real value isnt that it has given me an average strikrate of 11/1 at present over a decent sample of 3900 games, Its real power comes from the rarity of double losses just 3 now over that sample, This means that even if the strikerate dropped to 5/1 I would make a profit, What most people designing methods fail to do is find a powerpoint that goes beyond just surpassing the paper odds of risk and reward, Yes I have to wait longer with PATTERN BREAKER Than alot of other methods, But be sure that wait is rewarded,
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 11:11 AM 2012
I don't agree with this correction theory, and heres why, Pattern Breakers real value isnt that it has given me an average strikrate of 11/1 at present over a decent sample of 3900 games, Its real power comes from the rarity of double losses just 3 now over that sample, This means that even if the strikerate dropped to 5/1 I would make a profit, What most people designing methods fail to do is find a powerpoint that goes beyond just surpassing the paper odds of risk and reward, Yes I have to wait longer with PATTERN BREAKER Than a lot of other methods, But be sure that wait is rewarded,
Hola John
So yr recipe 4 success is 2 take any method, play it hit n run n in case of loss double or triple yr stakes in d next game n u r guaranteed a steady profit? Its ingenious.... ;D I wonder why nobody else came up with this idea b4? And u had only 3 double loses in 3900 games?
Its like getting only 3 loses betting against any pattern of 6 EC's...
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 18, 11:54 AM 2012
Hola John
So yr recipe 4 success is 2 take any method, play it hit n run n in case of loss double or triple yr stakes in d next game n u r guaranteed a steady profit? Its ingenious.... ;D I wonder why nobody else came up with this idea b4? And u had only 3 double loses in 3900 games?
Its like getting only 3 loses betting against any pattern of 6 ECs...
Regards
That's one aspect of it Huut. No it simply wouldnt work like that with a continual pattern of 6. Remember I know as well as anyone should KNOW. Random can evenutally figure out any playable method. Where random struggles to defeat a method is when you take CONTINUITY out of the equation. Break up its flow. That's what playing High Low and Odd Even at the same time does. Often one is carrying the other.
Example. I have had times where High and low gives me this.
WWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWW
Over the same span of games Odd Even gives me this.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWW
Do you understand what I've shown you?. One even chance has performed brilliantly while the other underperformed. But STILL the overall strikerate ends up being above 7/1
Then theres the 7th pattern which I have been studying very closely. Its a gift to see how it closes often inside a certain number of cycles. Remember before 8 comes 7. This is another powerpoint of the PATTERN BREAKER concept. And is another reason this method is going to be at the top of my pile forever.
You let random work FOR YOU not against you. That is why Viles 3 AGAINST THE LINE is so good. And already the forum has let it go. Its a shame STAYING POWER is seriously lacking among roulette players in general. And because it is, most are going nowhere with this game ever.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 12:16 PM 2012
That's one aspect of it Huut. No it simply wouldnt work like that with a continual pattern of 6. Remember I know as well as anyone should KNOW. Random can evenutally figure out any playable method. Where random struggles to defeat a method is when you take CONTINUITY out of the equation. Break up its flow. That's what playing High Low and Odd Even at the same time does. Often one is carrying the other.
Example. I have had times where High and low gives me this."
WWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWW
Over the same span of games Odd Even gives me this.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWW
Do you understand what I've shown you?. One even chance has performed brilliantly while the other underperformed. But STILL the overall strikerate ends up being above 7/1
Then theres the 7th pattern which I have been studying very closely. Its a gift to see how it closes often inside a certain number of cycles. Remember before 8 comes 7. This is another powerpoint of the PATTERN BREAKER concept. And is another reason this method is going to be at the top of my pile forever.
You let random work FOR YOU not against you. That is why Viles 3 AGAINST THE LINE is so good. And already the forum has let it go. Its a shame STAYING POWER is seriously lacking among roulette players in general. And because it is, most are going nowhere with this game ever.
I admire John yr way with words and phrases. Like "breaking up random flow", "taking continuity out of the equation", "random working 4 u" n so on. They became instant classics n basically there is no way 2 argue with them because nobody really understands what they really mean except u.
There is no breaking up random - another fallacy. Once u make that claim u claim 2 have Holy Grail in yr hands.
I have another useful expression 4 u - boxed in. U seem 2 have random boxed in some only 4 u known patterns. And i dont have any clue what u really meant by comparing behavior of O/E n H/L. That any EC can go on a long winning streak? About continuity factor. It seems that Trilogy is based on continuity factor. U claim that DZ n CL continue 2 behave in d same way in 20 spins sample. Anyway as i said i can not really argue with you because i dont really understand what u mean. But if u can not convince them just confuse them ;D It seems 2 be yr tactic. And as 2 Vile method u can see that we not only criticize your methods.
By d way where is this post?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 18, 02:11 PM 2012
I admire John yr way with words and phrases. Like "breaking up random flow", "taking continuity out of the equation", "random working 4 u" n so on. They became instant classics n basically there is no way 2 argue with them because nobody really understands what they really mean except u.
There is no breaking up random - another fallacy. Once u make that claim u claim 2 have Holy Grail in yr hands.
I have another useful expression 4 u - boxed in. U seem 2 have random boxed in some only 4 u known patterns. And i don't have any clue what u really meant by comparing behavior of O/E n H/L. That any EC can go on a long winning streak? About continuity factor. It seems that Trilogy is based on continuity factor. U claim that DZ n CL continue 2 behave in d same way in 20 spins sample. Anyway as i said i can not really argue with you because i don't really understand what u mean. But if You can not convince them just confuse them ;D It seems 2 be yr tactic. And as 2 Vile method You can see that we not only criticize your methods.
By d way where is this post?
Its Simple Huut. Often when one is underperforming the other is shining. Playing them off eachother is magical. And gives PATTERN BREAKER its strength. And that 7th pattern has become a great element of the concept adding additional profit to a game.
Huut you just dont know it but on the forum are several roulette killers. There just isnt enough people able to stay with them long enough. If you had 10,000 players in North America for example who could stay with a method like Chauncy47 and myself can. There would be some worried casino owners. But no, the majority chop and change on almost a daily basis. And nothing solid ever gets achieved. Where is the fallacy in breaking up random?? Thats exactly why ive profitted so well from hit and run for years. You are breaking up random. You are escaping the minefield of loss more often than if you just sit there waiting to lose.
Until that sinks into alot more brains no progress is going to ever take place in this game. All the losing attitudes will remain.