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Title: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 07:27 AM 2012
This is a method I have devised over the last 24 hours and now I feel is time to test it. It is a one dozen bet and early signs are good indeed.

What I do is divide the combinations of 3 dozens into high and low.

Highs are: 222, 223, 233, 133, 333 and their variants such as 323 etc
Lows are: 111, 112, 122, 113, 123 and their variants such as 131 etc

Charting is fairly straightforward. Two columns one for highs and one for lows

When we have two sets in a row in either column, we then bet no one dozen depending on which 2 in a row we have.

If we have two sets of high in a row then you bet the first dozen three times to counter this.

If we have two sets of low in a row then you bet the third dozen three times to counter this.

Here's an example. I put lows on the left and highs on the right side

              133
121
              233
              223.  - we have two sets of high so bet on dozen 1 until a win. Stop on a win but track the remainder of the dozens until you have a set of three again.
111 W
              332
              313.  Bet dozen 1
213 W
213 - continuous tracking so here we bet on dozen 3
              313 W
312
211
              223 W
              331
213 W
211
211 L retrack
              131
              222
113 W
122
              231 W
              233
123 W
              313
              323
212 W
111
              312 W
113
221
              333 W

Hopefully that clears and clarifies things. It's not a strenuous system. No idea on progression but should be mild as you can see most hits Are within first 3 spins. I will continue to test

BW
         



111
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: Master_of_pockets on Jun 25, 07:42 AM 2012
I like the new mood of the forum.
New systems Topics  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 08:00 AM 2012
Cheers master. The forum does seem to be buzzing at the moment which can only be a good thing.

Another session tested here:

         222
211
221
         232 W
132
112
         113 W
         222
111 W
132
112 L
         322
311
         313
         133
113 W
112
         333 W
121
131
111 L
111
213 bet for 3rd dozen here as we have retracked 2 new consecutive sets
311 W - notice here how I got a winner even though it was another low!
         322
231
123
211 L
         333
         222
131 W
213
         333 W

A typical session of 100 spins there

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 08:14 AM 2012
Another test - still can't get two losses in a row. Averaging 8wins per100 spins

122
212
            331 W
231
            133
221
            333
            232
133 W
221
212
121 L
            333 W
            333
312
            222
            223
113 W
221
            322
112
            323
231
321
123 W
            322
321
311
321 W
112
            331
            133
            232 L         
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: albertojonas on Jun 25, 08:15 AM 2012
I like your system buffalo.
I did not test it but as it is fresh, immediately crossed my mind that you could get advantage of La Partage Rule.
A Loss means actualy 3 Losses correct? LLL
=)
Could use Progression 1 1 1 2 2 3  4 6 8 12 and so on ...


I attach a test from a Live session Casino Berlin 2012-01-05
I would appreciate you confirm the bet procedure. End of test was +14 =)
Cheers
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 08:56 AM 2012
Hi alberto

Yes a Loss means 3 betting losses. Your test seems correct to me so thanks for adding to the testing.
I think the progression should be fine but maybe stop when you lose 3 levels (9 steps)

Keep us posted on further testing

Cheers
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 09:02 AM 2012
Another 100 spin session

312
231
212 L
213
131
213 W
          233
          313
          233 L
121
131
          311 W
          222
          331
311 W
          332
          233
          333 L
111
213
          331 W
          222
          133.W
121
211
111 L
132
212
           223 W
111
221
           323 W

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: warrior on Jun 25, 09:13 AM 2012
What if you have a trigger one after another? maybe have 2 seperate prog.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 09:22 AM 2012
Hi warrior,

I have stated continuous triggers but since have tested with waiting for two new and distinct high or low sets.

123
121
112 L now wait for 2 distincts
111
211 bet now for dozen 3
          223 W

You could have separate progressions. It is certainly worth considering but also seems to be solid with one at the moment

Hope this makes sense
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: albertojonas on Jun 25, 09:36 AM 2012
test 2 Like a charm. I have to confess i was testing something very similar with a friend... this approach is very cool.
If JL looks into this he will own Monte Carlo...  :xd:
Cheers.



Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: Master_of_pockets on Jun 25, 09:47 AM 2012
Cool results.
Are the triggers a rare thing or what?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: albertojonas on Jun 25, 09:50 AM 2012
they are a bit rare but not much...
it is simple to track.
another test #3 result -5 with the progression i mentioned above.
still hanging nicely.
Cheers

Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: Master_of_pockets on Jun 25, 09:51 AM 2012
isn t this system a little bit like bet 1 doz if it miss 6 times in a row?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 09:55 AM 2012
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 25, 09:36 AM 2012
test 2 Like a charm. I have to confess i was testing something very similar with a friend... this approach is very cool.
If JL looks into this he will own Monte Carlo...  :xd:
Cheers.

Alberto thanks for the testing. You seems to have missed a few betting opportunities though.

When it is

              223
              331

That's two sets in a row so bet doZen 1

123 hit for a win

Again I saw this

               331
               233 - should bet dozen 1 here
121 hit for a other win

Any time a distinct set repeats there is a bet on either dozen 1 or 3 to follow

@ master of pockets

On average about 10-12 triggers per 100 spins
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jun 25, 09:56 AM 2012

****What I do is divide the combinations of 3 dozens into high and low.****

Buf

What I don't understand is what determines a high and what determines a low?

Sam
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: warrior on Jun 25, 10:17 AM 2012
The tracking can be  2 columns ,LLL   HHH ,correct ?
                                                  LLL
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 10:18 AM 2012
@ master
This isn't waiting for 6 misses or based on hot or cold dozens
For example

132
221
         233 W

You will see that all dozens are repeating and that it is based more on the high and
Low sets not repeating more than twice


@twocatsam

All highs add up to 6 and over.
All lows are 6 or under

I decided to put 123 with the lows as it includes dozen 1

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 10:19 AM 2012
Quote from: warrior on Jun 25, 10:17 AM 2012
The tracking can be  2 columns ,LLL   HHH ,correct ?
                                                  LLL

That's right.

I put lows on left And highs on the right
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: warrior on Jun 25, 10:29 AM 2012
Some one should rx this one?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 25, 10:47 AM 2012
Hi BW,
If you're only betting Dozens 1 or 3 then why not bet the EC's LOW or HIGH instead - with maybe a reduced extra side bet on the remaining dozen 2 LINE? (24 numbers covered) ??
Just an idea.
A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 10:56 AM 2012
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 25, 10:47 AM 2012
Hi BW,
If you're only betting Dozens 1 or 3 then why not bet the ECs LOW or HIGH instead - with maybe a reduced extra side bet on the remaining dozen 2 LINE? (24 numbers covered) ??
Just an idea.
A.

I hadn't thought of it mate.
I guess I like a one dozen bet for more profit and less risk (steep progressions) and so far it seems to be holding up.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 25, 10:58 AM 2012
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 10:56 AM 2012
I hadn't thought of it mate.
I guess I like a one dozen bet for more profit and less risk (steep progressions) and so far it seems to be holding up.

Yes. It seems good system as it stands. Well done and thanks for posting.

A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 25, 11:06 AM 2012
Quote
Another session tested here:

         222
211
221
         232 W
132
112
         113 W    <==== should be on low side??
         222
111 W
132
112 L
         322
311
         313
         133
113 W
112
         333 W
121
131
111 L
111
213 bet for 3rd dozen here as we have retracked 2 new consecutive sets
311 W - notice here how I got a winner even though it was another low!
         322
231
123
211 L
         333
         222
131 W
213
         333 W

Hi BW. Just checking with you - In your example above you have the pattern 113 placed on the HIGH side and I think it should be on the LOW side?

A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 11:23 AM 2012
Well spotted A

That was a mistake and should be on the low side.

Thanks

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 25, 11:29 AM 2012
Hi BW.

Not that it makes any difference really - system looks strong on first inspection!  :)

A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: weddings on Jun 25, 11:39 AM 2012

Quote
331   H   
121   L   
311   L   
331   H   W
131   L   
121   L   
131   L   L
131   L   
132   L   
123   L   L
321   L   
312   L   
131   L   L
131   L   
312   L   
132   L   L
232   H   
132   L   
223   H   
321   L   
321   L   
223   H   W
211   L   
321   L   
223   H   W
123   L   
313   H   
322   H   
231   H   L
211   L   
222   H   
331   H   
111   L   W
211   L   
211   L   L
312   L   
331   H   
312   L   
311   L   
313   H   W


advise anyone?

Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 12:06 PM 2012
Weddings make two columns it makes it much easier to chart

Quote
331   H   
121   L   
311   L   
331   H   W
131   L   
121   L   
131   L   L. - this is a W as you would bet dozen 3 here after two previous lows
131   L   
132   L   
123   L   L - this is a W as two lows previous
321   L   
312   L   
131   L   L - this is a W as two lows prior
131   L   
312   L   
132   L   L - se here again! Remember 123 is a low
232   H   
132   L   
223   H   
321   L   
321   L   
223   H   W
211   L   
321   L   
223   H   W
123   L   
313   H   
322   H   
231   H   L
211   L   
222   H   
331   H   
111   L   W
211   L   
211   L   L
312   L   
331   H   
312   L   
311   L   
313   H   W


advise anyone?

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Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: amk on Jun 25, 12:51 PM 2012
Thanks Buffalowizard!!

Is perhaps the +1 -1 progression interesting for this bet?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 02:04 PM 2012
Quote from: amk on Jun 25, 12:51 PM 2012
Thanks Buffalowizard!!

Is perhaps the +1 -1 progression interesting for this bet?

Hi amk,
Thanks for progression suggestion. I think more testing and then focus on MM for this. What's bet for a 1 dozen bet, +1 on a win or a loss?

I think i will go over the rules a bit more clearly as well because my explanations may have been rushed and I want everyone to be clear on how to play

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 25, 02:43 PM 2012
Well if the double losses are very rare you can go with 1,1,2 the classic progression and then after a loss double the unit size once
You just need to know how rare thoose double losses are
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 03:06 PM 2012
Ok, just so we're all singing from the same hymn sheet:


Always track 3 dozens and work out whether they are 'high' or 'low'


Lows are - 111,112,121,211,221,212,122,123,311,131,113


Highs are - 222,223,232,322,332,233,323,333,331,133,313




Charting is in two columns:




LOW                           HIGH


112
212         
                                   322


When two low sets emerge, then bet DOZEN 3, 3 times


When two high sets emerge, bet DOZEN 1, 3 times.


On a win or a loss, retrack for new trigger - two new repeating sets


Here are numbers submitted by weddings to highlight the method.




LOW                    HIGH


                            331   
121   
311     
                            331 W
131   
121     
131  W <regardless of being a 'low' set, this is still a win because we were betting for D3 to hit.
131     
132   
123  W <same as above, chopped dozens are actually quite good for this method!
321 
312     
131  W <again same as above
131   
312     
132  W< and here again!
                           
                         232
132     
                         223     
321     
321     
                         223 W 
211   
321     
                         223  W
123   
                         313     
                         322   
231  W
211     
                         222     
                         331     
111  W
211     
211   
                         312 W   
                         331   
312   
311     
                         313  W




A great session there with no dangers. Let me know if you have any questions.


BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 03:24 PM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 25, 02:43 PM 2012
Well if the double losses are very rare you can go with 1,1,2 the classic progression and then after a loss double the unit size once
You just need to know how rare thoose double losses are


I think this would be a good idea soggett. A nice balance between reservation and over zealous.

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: GLC on Jun 25, 04:03 PM 2012
Buffalo, You,re the system Wizard. :twisted:
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 04:11 PM 2012
Another session here - first 2 loss - wahey!



Depending on how rare an event this is - that's always what I'm looking for -  a regular
1.  1.  2.  3.  4.  6.  9.  12.  14.   Lose this? Stop session. Hasn't happened yet...yet. It will, but hopefully the winning sessions make up for it.



LOW          HIGH


112
312
                  131  W


312
                  323
312
131
312  W
                  331
111
                  133
321
213
                  222  L
                  323
311
123
112  L
                  322
221
                  323
131
                  332
213
                  332
311
                  333
                  322
213  W
                 
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: warrior on Jun 25, 04:24 PM 2012
So what your  saying is that 9 in a row losses has not happen ,how many bets have you placed with this system ,as far as testing goes?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 04:36 PM 2012
Quote from: warrior on Jun 25, 04:24 PM 2012
So what your  saying is that 9 in a row losses has not happen ,how many bets have you placed with this system ,as far as testing goes?


Approx 2000 spins warrior


Approx 10 bets per 100 = 200 bets


Most it's got to is 8 losses


Vast majority win between 1-5
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: warrior on Jun 25, 04:42 PM 2012
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 04:36 PM 2012

Approx 2000 spins warrior


Approx 10 bets per 100 = 200 bets


Most it's got to is 8 losses


Vast majority win between 1-5
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 25, 05:48 PM 2012

Further test: This from Random.org




LOW          HIGH


221
311
311  W
113
113
                 223 W
121
231
112 L
112
                 223
132
122
                 133 W
                 332
311
                 222
                 233
112 W
                 332
122
131
212 L
123
                 133
                 333
312 W
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: sniper on Jun 26, 04:57 AM 2012
 
QuoteAlways track 3 dozens and work out whether they are 'high' or 'low'


Lows are - 111,112,121,211,221,212,122,123,311,131,113


Highs are - 222,223,232,322,332,233,323,333,331,133,313




Hello Buffalowizard,


Thanks for your system.


Does 321,213,231,132 and 312 belong to Low or otherwise?


Regards
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 26, 05:00 AM 2012
Buffalowizard

what if we don't bet on the 123 and 222 - couse they are "in the middle" so to speak
and how do you deal with zero? do you cover it as  well?
And when it comes in tracking - 103 - what now?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 05:05 AM 2012
Quote from: sniper on Jun 26, 04:57 AM 2012
 



Hello Buffalowizard,


Thanks for your system.


Does 321,213,231 and 312 belong to Low or otherwise?


Regards

Sniper 123 and all it's variants belong to low. As a result the low column is usually more populated. Thanks
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: sniper on Jun 26, 05:09 AM 2012
Hello Buffalowizard,


Thank you very much for your prompt reply and clarification.


Regards
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 05:10 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 26, 05:00 AM 2012
Buffalowizard

what if we don't bet on the 123 and 222 - couse they are "in the middle" so to speak
and how do you deal with zero? do you cover it as  well?
And when it comes in tracking - 103 - what now?

I have seen many wins using 123 and it's variants and 222. Not using these would also limit losses but cut out some wins too. Swings and roundabouts I think.
I don't track the zero or note it down. Just continue as if it weren't there.
If a zero hits on a bet then that counts towards the three bets.
Try and use bet voyager no zero!
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 26, 05:29 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 26, 05:26 AM 2012

thanks, i got it now
may i add something?
did you try maybe betting that the next 3 won't be the same high/low as previous?
example:
111 that is low now we bet 3 for next 3 spins (or until hit)
123 win and again low bet 3 again
332 win high now bet 1
etc..

your example with the two losses in a row ends up +19 using 1,1,2 with 4 losses
and the example from weddings ends up +31 with 5 losses

you think this may work?


my bad, i pressed quote instead of modify
can i delete post somehow?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 05:37 AM 2012
Do you want post 43 or 44 removed?

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: albertojonas on Jun 26, 05:37 AM 2012
in my opinion:
222, 123, 132, 213, 231, 321, 312 do not clarify a specific trend and are the only patterns that do not qualify.
Cheers
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: sniper on Jun 26, 05:41 AM 2012
Quotethis is the Goldstein progression which some of you guys might like to try on the doz.  & col.


1 +1 +1 +2 +2 +3 +3 +3 +3 +4 +5 +5+5 +5 +5 +6 +6 +6 +6 +6 = 78



up on a loss; 3 down on a win. costs you 78 units after 20 losses in a row.



cheers



hans



Hello Buffalowizard,


Is this progression  applicable to your system?


Regards
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 05:54 AM 2012
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 26, 05:37 AM 2012
in my opinion:
222, 123, 132, 213, 231, 321, 312 do not clarify a specific trend and are the only patterns that do not qualify.
Cheers

Alberto it may well be plausible for the system
Another member suggested similar.

Perhaps taking them out makes it more solid overall
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: albertojonas on Jun 26, 06:30 AM 2012
my 4 tests so far, different progressions though.  ::)


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Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: monaco on Jun 26, 06:33 AM 2012
here's a quick 570 spin example.. I've also taken out the 123 variations for this test, & using the progression from Sniper.

any win on the 1st 6 steps (1-1-1-2-2-3) and i would simply re-set to the first step.

570 spins
63 bets placed
+31 units
biggest bet 3u

will run through some more SmartLive actuals & the losing tests of albertojonas..
thanks for posting BuffaloWizzard.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 26, 06:35 AM 2012
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 05:37 AM 2012
Do you want post 43 or 44 removed?

BW

in 44 can see all so 43 thanks

what u think about what i said? betting against the H/L forming?
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 06:56 AM 2012
Quote from: sniper on Jun 26, 05:41 AM 2012


Hello Buffalowizard,


Is this progression  applicable to your system?


Regards

Great idea mate! Seems others are tackling progression issue for this as well. Yours could be a winner so thanks
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 06:58 AM 2012
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 26, 06:30 AM 2012
my 4 tests so far, different progressions though.  ::)


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Great testing Alberto! You are what all system creators wish for. Your results so far are promising indeed
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 07:01 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 26, 06:35 AM 2012

in 44 can see all so 43 thanks

what u think about what i said? betting against the H/L forming?

Soggett I think it's a nice twist on the basic premise and one that could warrant further inspection. Being a bit of a crazy system nut, I'm busy testing another at the moment but feel free to post any results you achieve

BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 26, 07:03 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 26, 06:35 AM 2012

in 44 can see all so 43 thanks

what u think about what i said? betting against the H/L forming?

I'm sorry, my English is rusty
I meant bet after every formation, not wait for 2 in a row, just bet every 3 spins against the last formation repeating
so if we have 111 that's low next we bet dozen 3
if 321 comes its a win and still low so we bet 3 again...
etc
hope i made it clearer

Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 07:01 AM 2012
Soggett I think it's a nice twist on the basic premise and one that could warrant further inspection. Being a bit of a crazy system nut, I'm busy testing another at the moment but feel free to post any results you achieve

BW

ok, will do, thanks
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 07:35 AM 2012
Hi soggett

Not waiting for two unique sets was how I played this originally in first post or two. It picked up rapid wins but the likelihood of string of losses increases.

It would be a personal preference
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: soggett on Jun 26, 07:53 AM 2012
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 07:35 AM 2012
Hi soggett

Not waiting for two unique sets was how I played this originally in first post or two. It picked up rapid wins but the likelihood of string of losses increases.

It would be a personal preference
Oh, ok
what do you think of this:
since 222 is a loss what ever we bet, maybe we should bet H/L dozen plus the second dozen?
so it would be a 2 dozen bet
111 - low so bet high + 2 dozen
we bet 1 + 3 for 3 spins
thats one idea that poped up in my mind

you gave me a lot of thinking, I'm brainstorming ever since I read this topic so sorry if Im a little irritating or annoying

I tested a couple of hundered spins betting back to back - after H bet L and after L bet H
with your 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21 - a total of 61 unit I am yet to see a loss, only gain
a loss will eventually accure when a dozen sleeps for 12+ spins (if its 1 or 3 dozen, if dozen 2 sleeps we rake in money  >:D )

will test more ;)
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 26, 08:09 AM 2012
Did a quick test on some wiesbaden numbers. I played the original rules.
+6 in 96 spins. Highest Bet=2.  Was playing 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3... string. up 1 on a loss; back 2 on a win.
A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 08:19 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Jun 26, 07:53 AM 2012
Oh, ok
what do you think of this:
since 222 is a loss what ever we bet, maybe we should bet H/L dozen plus the second dozen?
so it would be a 2 dozen bet
111 - low so bet high + 2 dozen
we bet 1 + 3 for 3 spins
that's one idea that poped up in my mind
Atlantis came up with a suggestion very similar and I think it could work indeed.
you gave me a lot of thinking, I'm brainstorming ever since I read this topic so sorry if I'm a little irritating or annoying
Not irritating I'm glad you like the method mate. We're all here to try and make things even better and stronger

I tested a couple of hundered spins betting back to back - after H bet L and after L bet H
with your 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21 - a total of 61 unit I am yet to see a loss, only gain
a loss will eventually accure when a dozen sleeps for 12+ spins (if its 1 or 3 dozen, if dozen 2 sleeps we rake in money  >:D )

will test more ;)

Keep up the good work. People have made so many good ideas and additions that it is up rotor which you choose to take on
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 08:20 AM 2012
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 08:09 AM 2012
Did a quick test on some wiesbaden numbers. I played the original rules.
+6 in 96 spins. Highest Bet=2.  Was playing 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3... string. up 1 on a loss; back 2 on a win.
A.

Thanks for chipping in Atlantis the master tester. Like the progression by the way
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: weddings on Jun 26, 10:41 AM 2012
Hey BW i have done some tests see if I am doing it right now I most I have got are 4 loses in a row.



Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: weddings on Jun 26, 10:55 AM 2012
Sorry I meant 3 losses in a row. Here are the stats:


Total Spins: 2116
Total Loses: 71
Total Wins: 172
Conservative Wins: 11
Conservative Loses: 3


Total Spins I have in that run is 14,683 in a run for BV will continue when I have the time.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on Jun 26, 11:58 AM 2012
Hi weddings,
I converted your results to play original way;

[reveal]
                 331       
121       
311       
                 331 = w       
131       
121       
131 = w       
131       
132       
123 = w       
321       
312       
131 = w       
131       
312       
132 = w       
                 232       
132       
                 223       
321       
321       
                 223 = w       
211       
321       
                 223 = w       
123       
                 313       
                 322       
231 = w       
211       
                 222       
                 331     
111 = w       
211       
211       
312 = w       
                 331       
312       
311       
                 313 = w       
111       
                 223       
122       
112       
                 222 = L       
311       
                 222       
                 322       
                 313 = w       
                 223       
                 133       
312 = w       
112       
131       
                 233 = w       
221       
112       
132 = w       
                 232       
221       
                 313       
213       
221       
122 = L       
132       
111       
111 = L       
122       
132       
                 233 = w       
312       
                 232       
                 133       
231 = w       
131       
                 322       
111       
112       
123 = w       
311       
                 233       
                 232       
111 = w       
121       
                 332       
                 323       
231 = w       
111       
212       
131 = w       
                  223       
121       
112       
                  313 = w       
                  333       
111       
122       
221 = L       
                  222       
                  222       
123 = w       
122       
212       
                  323 = w       
                  331       
311       
122       
                  133 = w       
123       
221       
111 = L       
                   332       
123       
                   232       
132       
                   331       
                   322       
                   313 = w       
311       
321       
231 = w       
                   333       
121       
                   322       
321       
                   322       
212       
111       
121 = L       
211       
                   223       
                   323       
                   333 = L       
211       
111       
                   311 = w       
                   133       
231       
121       
213 = w       
122       
212       
231 = w       
113       
123       
121 = L       
231       
111       
231 = w       
131       
212       
                   313 = w       
111       
                   333       
231       
121       
312 = w       
311       
112       
131 = w       
111       
231       
111 = L       
                   313       
121       
131       
                   333 = w       
112       
231       
122 = L       
231       
                   333       
                   223       
132 = w       
111       
123       
                   133 = w       
111       
122       
311 = w       
                    133       
                    323       
                    222 = L       
221       
                    223       
111       
                    232       
132       
213       
312 = w       
                     222       
113       
121       
132 = w       
321       
112       
112 = L       
                     222       
212       
                     222       
112       
132       
132 = w       
211       
311       
231 = w       
                     322       
111       
131       
133 = w       
                     232       
                     222       
131       
122       
231 = w       
                     331       
131       
                     223       
122       
321       
112 = L       
                     133       
213       
211       
121 = L       
212       
113       
211 = L       
113       
113       
                      333 = w       
211       
321       
113 = w       
211       
                      233       
111       
122       
221 = L       
                      322       
211       
                      322       
                      322       
123 = w       
311       
                      223       
132       
211       
                      233 = w       
123       
211       
                      331 = w       
211       
231       
                      223 = w       
111       
321       
112 = L       
312       
                      232       
                      332       
111 = w       
113       
                      331       
131       
122       
                      333 = w       
                      333       
231       
                      223       
                      232       
                      323 = L       
221       
                      322       
132       
213       
112 = L       
123       
211       
111 = L       
132       
111       
                      313 = w       
211       
                      232       
311       
311       
231 = w       
                      313       
                      313       
                      133 = w       
231       
123       
111 = L       
                      331       
221       
121       
                      222 = L       
                      332       
321       
121       
312 = w       
                      333       
121       
                      332       
                      232       
                      331 = w       
122       
121       
                      313 = w       
132       
111       
                      222 = L       
121       
                      331       
132       
122       
111 = L       
                      232       
112       
211       
321 = w       
221       
                      233       
111       
123       
321 = w       
211       
111       
131 = w       
221       
                       233       
                       331       
                       223 = L       
123       
231       
                       333 = w       
112       
312       
                       322 = w       
                       313       
211       
113       
212 = L       
                       223       
211       
123       
312 = w       
132       
132       
132 = w       
131       
                        133       
111       
221       
111 = L       
                        323       
                        331       
112 = w       
                        313       
121       
211       
111 = L       
121       
                        322       
                        133       
                        322 = L       
211       
311       
121 = L       
111       
312       
221 = L       
                        331       
212       
111       
                        333 = w       
123       
211       
                       322 = w       
311       
                       223       
231       
212       
111 = L       
                       133       
221       
221       
                        233 = w       
123       
                        313       
111       
311       
211 = L       
111       
131       
321 = w       
111       
312       
131 = w       
112       
131       
112 = L       
                          322       
311       
                          233       
122       
212       
112 = L       
113       
221       
312 = w       
                          223       
                          322       
                          233 = L       
221       
131       
                          233 = w       
                          232       
221       
131       
                          333 = w       
212       
112       
                          332 = w       
111       
113       
                          332 = w       
                          313       
231       
321       
111 = L       
212       
212       
                            331 = w       
123       
                            333       
111       
                            222       
211       
                            232       
113       
                            313       
321       
                            233       
111       
123       
                            233 = w       
122       
111       
                            323 = w       
211       
221       
113 = w       
111       
                            322       
123       
                            331       
                            333       
131 = w       
121       
122       
221 = L       
121       
212       
                            323 = w       
132       
212       
                            313 = w       
113       
113       
131 = w       
                            222       
                            232       
                            331 = w       
112       
231       
                            222 = L       
                            332       
121       
                            223       
212       
                            332       
                            233       
131 = w       
312       
111       
132 = w       
131       
111       
131 = w       
132       
123       
123 = w       
111       
113       
111 = L       
131       
112       
231 = w       
                             133       
121       
231       
211 = L       
                              223       
111       
211       
                              313 = w       
112       
311       
221 = L       
                              313       
221       
212       
213 = w       
123       
211       
                             222 = L       
123       
113       
111 = L       
212       
231       
113 = w       
321       
                              313       
                              232       
111 = w       
                              331       
122       
311       
311 = w       
131       
                              332       
                              313       
111 = w       
132       
122       
211 = L       
312       
122       
122 = L       
111       
221       
211 = L       
                             313       
312       
122       
321 = w       
221       
                             333       
                             313       
111 = w       
                            133       
113       
122       
131 = w       
                             313       
112       
231       
131 = w       
121       
123       
112 = L       
                            313       
                            133       
312 = w       
113       
112       
231 = w       
                           233       
113       
                           232       
213       
321       
                           313 = w       
111       
                           333       
                           323       
132 = w       
212       
                           333       
                           322       
121 = w       
                          133       
                          331       
121 = w       
212       
122       
213 = w       
121       
113       
                          313 = w       
321       
113       
221 = L       
                          313       
312       
                          333       
                          333       
211 = w       
212       
131       
                         313 = w       
231       
113       
212 = L       
212       
311       
                         313 = w       
211       
212       
                         133 = w       
                         222       
112       
                         233       
111       
231       
                         313 = w       
231       
132       
122 = L       
213       
311       
111 = L       
123       
111       
311 = w       
131       
111       
                          332 = w       
123       
112       
221 = L       
                         133       
121       
311       
312 = w       
312       
122       
                         322 = w       
121       
                         313       
112       
                         333       
311       
113       
                         333 = w       
                         222       
                         133       
123 = w       
211       
112       
132 = w       
113       
                         322       
113       
111       
231 = w       
312       
121       
113 = w       
113       
122       
311 = w       
312       
213       
111 = L       
221       
                          222       
112       
212       
123 = w       
                          222       
112       
112       
131 = w       
321       
                          222       
113       
321       
                          313 = w       
211       
                          323       
                          323       
                          333 = L       
131       
                          332       
                          323       
221 = w       
312       
                          313       
                          313       
123 = w       
122       
211       
                          333 = w       
113       
312       
311 = w       
                          331       
                          333       
                          222 = L       
213       
132       

[/reveal]


There were a few sequences of 3 Losing patterns in a row (9 bets) and I counted one sequence of four losing patterns (12 bets) The win came on the thirteenth bet.

A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on Jun 26, 01:53 PM 2012
Quote from: weddings on Jun 26, 10:41 AM 2012
Hey BW i have done some tests see if I am doing it right now I most I have got are 4 loses in a row.

Hi weddings,
I'm not sure what triggers you are using? Are you using different ways of betting because Atlantis has done it original way but your results are slightly better.

Not sure if this system is a goer or not really. Do you think it performs any better than other one dozen bets? Or am I just feeling gloomy !
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on May 12, 03:00 PM 2013
Hi BW,

Any update on this one? Is anyone still playing it?

A.
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: buffalowizard on May 12, 04:43 PM 2013
Hi A,
No updates mate, Seemed to disappear. Not sure if the stats set it apart enough
Progression is king with this one. If anyone can, you can
BW
Title: Re: 1 dozen system elite
Post by: atlantis on May 12, 05:11 PM 2013
Hi BW,

Well the GLAT progression for single doz, devised after this system was published by you, immediately springs to mind...

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Each line I will call a set of W/L's.


1.  W   Ends set.  If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.


2. LW   Ends Set.  If at a new profit, reset to 1 unit else stay at same bet size and start a new set.


3. LLW   Ends set.  Neutral set.  No bet size change.  Start a new set.


4.  LLLW  Ends set.  -1  Very small loss, so start a new set at same bet size.


5.  LLLLW  Ends set.  -2  Getting into losses, so play next set at +1 unit added to bet size.


6.  LLLLL...W  The 1st W ends set.  Number of L's = 5 or more.  This will keep bet sizes from escalating when we hit our sleeping dozen.  As soon as we have a Win it ends this set and we increase our bet size by +1 unit for next set.




These 6 sets should cover every possibility.  Sets 1 & 2 are our winning sets.


If you find yourself betting a large bet size and you have a few wins in a row, you might consider decreasing your bet size but not all the way back to 1 rather than staying at the same level just in case you're about to go into another losing series.

In my test above though, I used string...1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5.... (up 1 on a loss; back 2 on a win; reset when level or ahead) and seemed worked well enough to deliver a profit.

A.