Sorry guys I'm on vacation and haven't been active...

Also I don't mind sharing some ideas or clearing up some already shared.  But I do get to a point of not wanting to go further.  I guess it goes back to being alone and going crazy with my own thoughts trying to figure things out or learn from what's already out there.


Anyways I've always said the problem with the forum is ppl can't think for themselves and they over complicate a path already outlined by adding more to it that makes no sense

Here is the last idea i will share on this particular topic and maybe the most revealing piece of information after carpediem post.

When speaking of opposite pairs/mutually exclusive pairs what is the goal? That's the real question...

An opposite and mutually exclusive pair what does it look like?  1/19 2/20 3/21 etc

These pairs are opposite and mutually exclusive

1 is low and 19 is high
2 is low and 20 is high

But now the elephant in the room that goes unnoticed ...

1/19 are both odd numbers 
2/20 are both even numbers

So even though my pairs are mutually exclusive on one end i can still cover each pair result with 1 unit on another end just by playing ec!

With this post I exclude myself from any further conversation and go back to enjoying my vacation.   
 

I will go back to the process thing as to me it looks the best option from rrbb!
This is continues, like if you start you keep going. I'll put lines as it is les numbers . On this i did combine the process + Pri S/D. 200 spins i am at 42 units flat bet , i know it is not a lot but still flat . How to exploit this more !

Quote from: duchobor on Sep 08, 04:10 AM 2024only seems to generate more... chaos

Hi duchobor , i have done for sure. To me at the end it looks random again.
I thought Dependencies are when a pair A/B happen for me to get the same again i need A first then B so what i will play for B depende on First results!

How about pen and paper about all those streams ! Red asked do we use at all derived or it is for proving FACTS!

 

Cheers Alex, thanks for responding.
About your example - I've done extensive tests (you probably have too) regarding different variants. And so far the only thing that came out of it is that regardless of the way the second stream is selected (whether it's derived positional or a Vaddi-style method, where the division can run both on the hits-unhits line and red-black, even-odd, example spin 1: #7, we play #7 as 1stream and #8 as the second, or any of my own methods of creating pairs), and regardless of the way of playing, whether it's a) in the case of a hit of any stream -> reset all, or b) resetting only one stream, as in your example and continuing...
... no long enough session can be won without progression, which of course we want to avoid or significantly minimize. The conclusion is that this alone is not enough. And adding streets and lines (although the point is to create dependencies) only seems to generate more... chaos. 

Let's say i create two streams that i have divided as the pros saying;

Spin
34 pair 1
35 pair 2
22 pair 3
22 pair 4 win on first stream start with 22 + the 2nd stream
5 pair 19
34 pair 6
23 pair 7
15 pair 20
29 pair 8
26 pair 9
14 pair 10
34 pair 11 win on first stream start with 34 + the 2nd stream
24 pair 12
11 pair 25 win on second stream start with 11,12,25 + the 1st stream

After a repeat on one off the streams is everything reset ?
Does each stream has its on stats?

Carpe's posts are just regurgitated Vaddi.

Quote from: duchobor on Sep 07, 12:31 PM 2024we have to divide everything in half, create opposite pairs and those pairs need to be mutually exclusive

Pair Elements
As i understand The core idea is to take the 37 possible outcomes and divide them into pairs or groups that are mutually exclusive and balanced, it seems that the groups don't matter how you create then if they meet the criteria.
The critical aspect is that these pairs or groups are mutually exclusive—one outcome precludes the other,if a number is red, it cannot simultaneously be black; if it's low, it cannot be high.

[On rrbb stream a number can be both low and high]

Dependencies now;
Are those now relationships between events that affect the probability of outcomes? I don't know !
For instance when i observe that a certain numbers or groups tend to repeat more frequently under specific conditions, we identify a dependency, But i can't see it bcs again looking for something that we don't know how it looks like!
One simple thing i was thinking is for example, if i notice a trend where certain numbers in the "high" group repeat more often, you can set up a betting pattern that includes a balanced approach involving both high and low numbers, so isn't about favoring one group entirely but rather maintaining a dynamic balance that adjusts to the evolving game state. This adjustment helps in managing the natural variance that comes with random outcomes.

Seeking Balance; :/
Is the goal about creating a scenario where your bets are neither entirely dependent on one outcome nor spread thinly across all outcomes??? You want a setup where the impact of randomness is minimized because your bets cover the natural distribution of outcomes efficiently.
So it is like if betting on a specific pair (like red and black), you are not just betting on color but on the broader implication of that bet in the overall distribution of spins.

Even tho i am lost !














 

Okay, while other things are happening on GF, let's try to revive the discussion a bit about our topic, and let the famous and frequently quoted text by CarpeDiem about how we have to divide everything in half, create opposite pairs and those pairs need to be mutually exclusive, become the basis for reflection.

Now...

We know that such divisions occur naturally in roulette, we have high-low, red-black, odd-even, whatever we want. So, how do we implement this in practice into our game? This is something I have been pondering for a long time. In theory, we have several options:

a) play two separate games but with the same rules and at the same time
b) play two separate games but with (slightly?) different rules at the same time. Example: We have SU, splits, streets, and lines at our disposal. MoneyT recently mentioned that some numbers are played simultaneously with splits, streets, etc., and others are not - depending on what the game dictates, spin by spin. (By the way, how? This is also an essential question. For example, do areas with more hits have greater coverage? Or maybe the other way around? Or maybe something completely different like the division into high-low, red-black, etc. is important in this case?)
c) play two separate games with the same or different rules but at different times. Example: even and odd spins.

d) ?

I have been struggling with these ideas for some time now and every time I think I am close... everything starts to slip through my fingers. Tips from those in the know and thoughts/experiences from those outside the know would be appreciated if anyone cares to share. 

Best regards,
duchobor

I found Nimo.  Good dude.

Alex
Don't PM me.
But here it's all about phones.
At GF, Gary G is doing his best to keep Turbo's riddles from fading away.
Like Ricardo posted. You only need to keep studying the opening post of ADV:3; the excel.
Follow the top3.
Take the #7. If you follow it through the stream and place a unit every time it hits, you'll have hit 19 times.
Treat those top 3 the same. If you get Denzies +100 take it. Or go for the jackpot; you'll need to keep eye on the BR. Think of Turbo average of 24. Can your BR stand 24?