Quote from: warrior on Apr 02, 10:19 AM 2013
I'm working on something right now,and it all has the same concepts as the 143 bet ,nothing changes ,I'm at 3 LLL max,but I'm not happy with that if i can make to 2LLs max i will be happy .

Hi Ray, Warrior and everyone

Thanks for your message and sharing ideas. In relation to the question you asked Ray, and also I think that as Warrior suggested in one of his previous post on this topic it is a good idea to try and mix Method 143 with other method.

By playing two very good methods at the same time I believe we win twice as fast, we can leave the table faster with profits, the probability of having 3 LLL’s at same time for both methods at same time is reduced.

I have played the 143 method combined with the “Method of One Dozen Plz” and the results are very good.

The way I play it is exactly as described by Warrior for the 143 method. Similarly I play the One Dozen Plz method exactly the same way as described by Dino.  Please refer to reply No. 181 above where a summary of Method One Dozen Plz is described.

I think that playing any good two Dozen method would blend in quite well with the method 143, it's a bit like an insurance against 3 LLL's for progressions.

For example yesterday I played the 143 method combined with the method of “Double Dozen Parlay”  shared by GLC.  I played them at live wheel Dublin Bet and Fairway Casino and the results were very good there as well. A summary of GLC’s method is below.


When you have the opportunity you may wish to try playing the method 143 combined with one of the method mentioned above or with one of your other favourite method.

Cheers

Chris

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Re: Double Dozen Parlay
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 06:09:35 PM »
I think the above playing method is very sound, but it doesn't suit my playing style at present.


Here's my new bet selection methodology.


Our main bet is to wait for a dozen to hit twice and a dozen to hit once in the last 3 spins and bet on the dozen that hit once and the dozen that didn't hit in the last 3 spins.


Previously is had a No Bet situation when I had either no repeats in the last 3 spins or all of the last 3 spins be the same dozen. Now, if we have no repeats in the last 3 spins, in other words 1-2-3 or 2-1-3 or 3-2-1 or 3-1-2 etc... we bet on the last 2 dozens to hit. In the above 4 examples we would have bet on the 1-2 on the 1st one, 2-1 on the 2nd one, 3-2 on the 3rd one and 3-1 on the 4th one.


If we get 3 of the same dozen, in other words 1-1-1 or 2-2-2 or 3-3-3 we bet on this dozen and also on the farthest back dozen to hit. If we have the following spins 1-3-3-2-1-1-1 our next bet would be 1-3. The 1 dozen is the repeating dozen and the 3 dozens is the farthest back to hit.


If you like the Stop betting after a loss and start betting after a win idea, it's still very strong and I recommend it.


The above change will give us a lot more betting opportunities and so far doesn't appear to water down our wins vs losses ratio.


A different bet progression is posted in Colbster's "Eggleston Betting Method 2" replay #8


link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4247.0


Thanks for your patience.


GLC

@Warrior

thanks, now I'm going to test it with the parlay.

If you need help in Testing your new concept , let me know. That much that I am testing at the moment (My wife is in Philadelphia till 8th May ).
Maybe I will find more than 3L. Just let me know.

@ RFMAXX

That would be my next step in testing it on wheel layout.
Playing live is quite a challenge. I tried it on Touchbet and still made mistakes entering  the numbers. And of course these numbers came....
So that's not relay an option. The way it would work on Touchbet would be playing on 2 terminals. Split up the numbers.
So when its time to bet each player has to put in 12 numbers instead of 24. That should work nice....

The other option of course , Sam you will  love it , "Bot it" ;-)))

I will take your word on it. We shall meet sooner than you think !! Where are you from ?!?
My hometown is next to Schwetzingen (Spargelstadt ;-)  , der beste übrigens !! )

Ray

I tested Soggett's results from post #105, using the Guetting progression, stopping at 2L's and waiting for a W before re starting betting.
Over all, the 700 spins finished up 173 pts in profit.
However, the main gains were in the beginning of his spins, with the progression taking advantage of a good string of W's.
The last 400 or so spins came at a loss of -1.25pts.
Perhaps this isn't the right progression to be used with this method.

Quote from: warrior on Apr 02, 10:19 AM 2013
I'm working on something right now,and it all has the same concepts as the 143 bet ,nothing changes ,I'm at 3 LLL max,but I'm not happy with that if i can make to 2LLs max i will be happy .

Hi Warrior,  are you testing on 24 numbers?  Cheers Koolkat

Here are two charts

......to much Wine......   

Here are two charts

same number , different betting.

One is betting on Table layout ,  other Wheel layout.

on the Wheel layout I had 3 L'2 and on the Table layout I had 2 L's

When playing with the wheel layout, you sure need a bigger bankroll. With that small test it was (on flat betting) -72 vs  -12

Since Warrior had the most 7 L's don't know what would the wheel layout show....

Do you still have that session Warrior ?!?

Ray

........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.

!!!!! Unbelievable !!!

Table layout 7 L's   Wheel layout 3 L's  !!!!!

Same numbers 100 Spins....

Note, this is flatbet testing.....

see graphs

Ray

That looks great Ray; May be wheel selection may be another good option........; What web site did u do the test if u don't mind me asking.....; Also what's the longest winning streak have u had during testing......? Thanks


To make betting more economical may be bets could be made using street; corners; split etc.where appropriate, what do u think....??.




Cheers

Chris

Quote from: KoolKat on Apr 03, 12:14 PM 2013
Hi Warrior,  are you testing on 24 numbers?  Cheers Koolkat

Yes im still trying different things .

Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 03, 03:08 PM 2013
........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.

!!!!! Unbelievable !!!

Table layout 7 L's   Wheel layout 3 L's  !!!!!

Same numbers 100 Spins....

Note, this is flatbet testing.....

see graphs

Ray

The wheel layout looks good but dam you need a huge bank for it ,i have tried to break it up and play with streets and spilts but unless you bet on every number ,its hard to cover the amount of lines needed for the bet .

Hi Guys,

played at my local casino yesterday and its very difficult playing the wheel layout. The only way that would work is playing with a partner and splitting the 24 numbers in 12/12

To play with 12 numbers is less difficult. The best thing is playing on Touchbet , no one there to get in the way placing the units.

Lost allot yesterday, due to the fact my neighbour just couldn't stop talking and talking !!! Which had the effect that I forgot to place bets and writing down wrong...
after printing out the numbers and checking what would happen, I would have had 4 L's max.....

But the good thing on all that is I LEARND MY LESSON. I promised the table I'll be back 

Ray

Quote from: rayhd63 on Apr 03, 03:08 PM 2013
........kept playing to 100 spins wheel/table layout.

!!!!! Unbelievable !!!

Table layout 7 L's   Wheel layout 3 L's  !!!!!

Same numbers 100 Spins....

Note, this is flatbet testing.....

see graphs

Ray

very nice results

when i get the time I'll do the 4000 spins but wheel based, then we will see the difference

on a side note - the online players, some casinos (if not all) offer to save a few bets
that way we can save sectors from the wheel and presto - 1 click puts chips on 6 numbers - maybe that way it could be easier and possible?

@ ray: cologne 

@ all: with the wheel layout you get a lot of hits. but you need a big bankroll. progression is nearly impossible.
after the 4th step you need too much money. waiting for 2 or more L as a trigger is boring and you miss the
strings of W.

so what to do?

maybe use the racetrack? announcing for example 19 - 2 - 2 and another one and you lay down the rest yourself on single numbers?
will figure that out.

@ everyone

I have been playing online with live dealer using both methods the wheel layout and table layout simultaneously with real $.

I wait to have 2 LLs before betting. The results so far are very good. Having more than 2 LLs with both methods at same time is very rare up to now…..Although it may get a bit boring waiting for 2LL's to show up, for me it's not an issue as I usually make a few bigger bets at that time and I'm out.

For the wheel layout may be we could use something similar to the method Action number 22 created by John Patrick;  He uses for example 4 units to cover 22 numbers:  Dbl street 1-6;  Dbl street 10-15;  Quad 17/18/20/21; Dbl street 28 -33.The strike rate is also quite high and having streaks of LLs is very rare when the timing is correct. I have also played this method combined with method 143, the results are very good.

May be we could develop something similar as Action Number 22 but using the wheel lay out…..

Cheers

Chris