This thread is a very important one link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17115.0

Apply the idea I will speak about to the thread mentioned above.

Many people confuse pigeonhole to just speak about 2 pigeons being in the same hole.  The concept is more then just that.  Need to look at it with different eyes!

For example...

If you have 6 black socks and 6 white socks... how many socks do you need to pull out before you have 1 pair?

3 socks!!!!

This is using the pigeonhole principle!

The holes =  1 pair( 2 holes)
The pigeons = socks (3 socks)

Im going to give another example using roulette.

This next post I'm debating whether I should post it or not.  Many will still not understand.  But some might see it. 

I changed my mind!  😅

This might also help with these repeat systems turbo/denzie been talking about.  So I'm going to give you an example relatable to roulette instead of roulette but very close

We have 6 runners racing for 1 mile daily for the next 13 days.

Using the pigeonhole theory we can figure out the minimum amount of wins for 1 runner out of the 6.  We dont know who will win but we do know the minimum wins within the 13 days......

Atleast 1 runner will win 3 times.

Lets say each runner wins 2 times.  That will mean its been 12 days(6*2)...so on the 13th day 1 will have 3 wins no matter which way you slice it!

The next step is where the holy grail is found. 

You solve this next step and you my friend will have solved the grail with MATH.

Don't be too rigid in your understanding of PhP.

The number of pigeons and holes is not static, it's constantly changing.

It's preferable but not necessary to be absolute, meaning 3pigeons and 2holes.

It's about critical mass, 20pigeons 18holes, not pure math.

It's about bias distribution, eg. falkor's heatmap.

It's a governing criteria, not the the main thrust.

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I'm simplifying things and trying to show a different view on the concept

Because everyone just looks at pigeons and holes.  It's so much more then that.

Also my understanding is just fine.  I can use some more learning to get better

but tell me.....

Can you make a play EVERY spin for 20,50,100,1000 spins and come out ahead flatbet?

I'm telling you that you can create a situation in which you can, using this concept.  I'm speaking from experience.  Now it's not perfect I play to many numbers for my taste but it can't lose!  Mathematically! 

Money - very interesting topic. Let oking forward for more.

I'd like to try

Let's say 1/4 of the wheel will always hit every four spins.

Could we say bet three numbers (a street
or a sector of three) every fourth spin

Example: last decision, fourth outcome, eighth outcome

We get those outcomes and bet once (nine numbers)
and repeat with the newest last decision, fourth, eighth outcome

on the next spin (continuously)

Or say 1/6 of the wheel will show every six spins.

Get the sixth outcome from up to the last 36 outcomes.

Sixth, 12th, 18th, 24th, 30th, 36th spin-value

Bet those six numbers once

Repeat with the newest spin-values each spin.

Proofreader,

No..go back to my first example with the socks.

We needed to find 1 pair (which equals 2)

So we need to create a situation where we will atleast have 1 pair.  After we pull 3 socks we have no choice but to get one pair!

In your example using an event with 4 outcomes.  You would need n+1 to create a situation.

What do we get in 5 spins? Using 4 outcomes?  A repeat!

Hmmmm so those cycles Pri spoke about; seems there might be a link 🤔

What was the goal? 

To create situation where we aren't playing random! 

My example of 6 runners and having atleast 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins. 

what game can we play with 6 possibilities?

I said spins

Oops lmao

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:31 AM 2017My example of 6 runners and having atleast 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins. 

6 lines, atleast one line each spin, for 13 spins

What's the difference between?

Playing spins normal and tracking

Vs

Playing dynamic spins the way that we learned in the out of the box thread

The REPEAT happens 99% of the time on the first half!

So we know where the repeat will come from.  We just don't know when it will happen. 

But does that really matter?  NO it does not.  We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us.

Can WE CREATE a situation using the info in this thread?

QuoteIf you have 6 black socks and 6 white socks... how many socks do you need to pull out before you have 1 pair?

problem is when you pull out first sock out you will put it next to you and when roulette pulls out sock puts it back in for the next pull

Quote from: maestro on Nov 03, 11:57 AM 2017
problem is when you pull out first sock out you will put it next to you and when roulette pulls out sock puts it back in for the next pull

Then if you know this is the problem.. why don't you solve it?

I'm speaking about the solution in this thread. This is the basic idea!  But it can be applied to other EVENTS!

Pri said she can gain an edge playing parallel game with vdw.

I think the parallel game has everyone confused.

Here's a tip to solve your problem and the most I think anyone will ever say about this.  Everything is being put out there in the open with these next questions!

Do you think playing lines and 6 groups of 6 numbers makes a difference?

How long can the game of roulette go against me if my play is also random?

What if I'm playing more then one game? 

The games are separate one has nothing to do with the other. The results are also different and random!

Can roulette beat me? For how long?

Pigeonhole theory says I can't lose no matter the outcome.

Try it so you can see why!