Here Mel , at least is fun!!!

Here Mel , at least is fun!!!
A small mistake on first.

Quote from: alexlaf on Dec 18, 01:56 PM 2023Here Mel , at least is fun!!!

yes, fun times!!! Times Fun, Yes!!! 😂

Mel why so afraid off sharing your idea! If it is  (some sort of solution) , it is not the solution. But can help some people here..

Quote from: alexlaf on Dec 19, 04:22 PM 2023Mel why so afraid off sharing your idea! If it is  (some sort of solution) , it is not the solution. But can help some people here..

Ive shared ideas in the forum.  I've shared many ideas in private to some members. But instead of helping anyone it seems it does the opposite. 

I can show you something and because I showed you; it loses value.  But you can figure out that same thing and you will give it more value cause you did it yourself.

It's much better when the idea is created by YOU. 

Here something already shared...

I said clearly you need two streams minimum.  6th told you there is two ways to create two different sets.  I spoke about cause and effect.  6th spoke about two positions can't be occupied by the same number.

Two streams can be Dozen+line, Main+derived etc...
I said 6th to give a betting example with that whole article he write as it was just a basic example so no fear for the casinos to close! Nothing clear.

Quote from: alexlaf on Dec 20, 02:39 AM 2023Two streams can be Dozen+line, Main+derived etc...
I said 6th to give a betting example with that whole article he write as it was just a basic example so no fear for the casinos to close! Nothing clear.

Yes The two streams you provided are good!.  Now for examples...

In pri's thread random thoughts there were betting ideas.

You can thank blueprint for his conversation with rrbb which led to the thread think out the box and showed us the main and derived set.  In that thread Pri also gave a betting idea example. 

In dyksexlic topic about replacing the numbers with words he gave a betting example which sounds just like the main and derived set being utilized.

In this thread 6th shared a basic example and betting ideas

Alex, Where do we draw the line? Are you asking for someone to sit down with you and give you a detailed play by play?

Alex in your chart about the fruits that you posted. It's the exact same thing with numbers. 

What new ideas did you come up with?  What new angle did you attempt? What new combination did you attempt?


If none, then how will it be different?

To be honest I am not waiting nothing more from this thread.. I have read things that do not fit or not working with what is posted here! And about ideas , how many ideas you want when we focus on main and derived for example, 1) what six has posted , 2) we have positions, 3) distances( no one know the exact meaning and more..

Quote from: alexlaf on Dec 20, 07:23 AM 2023To be honest I am not waiting nothing more from this thread.. I have read things that do not fit or not working with what is posted here! And about ideas , how many ideas you want when we focus on main and derived for example, 1) what six has posted , 2) we have positions, 3) distances( no one know the exact meaning and more..

Honestly they have been explained in the out the box thread or other places but here I'll help with that...

When positions are being used it's most likely referencing the derived set. But really it's just the position in which the number is located on a set table or moving table.

Example using double street

Original/derived set starts in order 123456 the positions are also represented by their number value.  Let's say spin result is 4

Now our derived set looks like this 412356.   So now 4 moved from position 4 to position 1.

Now let's talk about distances.  This can have different interpretations depending on what you are trying to do.  I'll share one example but you can use other version of distance.

In my example let's take the double street again 123456 on the original set.  First two spins are 4 then 3.

So I count the distance between these two numbers clockwise or counterclockwise whichever way you like.

So 123456... 4 is in position 4 and 3 is in position 3.  If we go clockwise the distance is 5.  If we go counter clockwise the distance is 1.  This explanation is the basic form of distance. 

Another form of Distance is the count space between two objects (this is the advanced version)

Hope this helps 

Thank you for your time Mel, I know those things all ready . We still are talking statistic here .
Yes derived position 1,2,3 will dominate 4,5,6 ,Why to pick some off high derived and why some off low, for low ok we know the repeats are there!
Distances yes we have the simple version as you say cw count , now what!

Sorry Mel, but at every lap, since the positions change, the distances must be counted again, or always on the original value of the positions 123456 ? 

Ty

Yes derived position 1,2,3 will dominate 4,5,6

Statistical wise it doesn't,..

It only shows high cycle ending percentage in lo positional

Why?

Quote from: leoncino74 on Dec 20, 10:31 AM 2023Sorry Mel, but at every lap, since the positions change, the distances must be counted again, or always on the original value of the positions 123456 ? 

Ty

If you use the regular table that doesn't change then you will get a result.  If you apply this to a table that changes every spin you will get a different result.  It can be anyway you want.  It's just another stream to look at....

Quote from: alexlaf on Dec 20, 09:24 AM 2023Thank you for your time Mel, I know those things all ready . We still are talking statistic here .
Yes derived position 1,2,3 will dominate 4,5,6 ,Why to pick some off high derived and why some off low, for low ok we know the repeats are there!
Distances yes we have the simple version as you say cw count , now what!

Now you need to do some thinking and ask yourself questions. Let me also help you with that.... If you understand the info you are looking at then what are your questions?

You mentioned the low positions dominate "repeats"...Ok why do they dominate? What does that mean?  How can I use this info?

It has been mentioned you need more than 1 stream.. why is that? What do you need to accomplish?

On top of all this where the hell does the pigeonhole principle come into play?

You aren't going to magically find a way to play and win because it doesn't exist! You have to think about an idea that answers questions to things already happening all the time.