Quote from: Akiraa on Aug 05, 08:14 AM 2024I think theres definitely something to the below post by alexlaf in the other thread- posting here so we can keep the discussion going!

I suggest you do your own research off the forum. Just like anything shared things will not work as presented

Quote from: MumboJumbo on Aug 05, 10:05 AM 2024Account balance $1000
bet $1 per number
103 spins
$309 invested
hit 10 numbers
earnings 360-309= $51
new balance after 103 spins $1051

If it works for you, just continue to do it.

Can you show a distribution of where the numbers hit for those 103 spins?  I'm interested in seeing how many of the numbers have 0 hits and 1 hit...

You have screenshot of the wheel with hot and cold numbers, try my system it is not possible to lose over long run.

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 04, 05:31 PM 2024Is predicting the number the only way to win in roulette?

The answer to this is soccer totto, now going on str8 do we really need all that matrix 36*36+1 as we have for that dozen example 3*12,  we will never see 37 unique numbers on that order ! Follow the template!

Quote from: alexlaf on Aug 05, 02:31 PM 2024The answer to this is soccer totto, now going on str8 do we really need all that matrix 36*36+1 as we have for that dozen example 3*12,  we will never see 37 unique numbers on that order ! Follow the template!

   I was just coming in here to mention this jajaja you got here first

Many of the things shared had a purpose one way or another.  It's all bits and pieces for a bigger picture.

I've spoke in the past about the soccer Toto using the dozens as an example. 3 dozens in 13 spins with atleast 1 dozen having 5 hits.

When you look at the result as a whole there is always 1 dozen with 5 hits we know this without predicting at all.  What we want to do is make sure we are always on the winning side of things.  How can we be on the winning side without predicting?

If you sit down and really think about this. You will see there is no possible way to do it.  The only possible way to get this result is to play all 3 dozens! But if you play all 3 there is no profit. 

Here is an idea and a little bit of my thought process...what if some dozens have more units than other dozens?  Would it work?

Why would any other dozen have more units than other dozens?

12 units on 1 dozen = 36 win-12= 24 profit
6 units on 2 lines = 36 win-12= 24 profit
3 units on 4 streets= 36 win-12= 24 profit
2 units on 6 splits= 36 win -12= 24 profit
12 units on 12 straights= 36 win-12= 24 profit

Adding the second stream could my cycle end early!
As rrbb said one side will always win!
But don't we take the coincidences as our objects and not the matches ?
putting objects (=matches) into compartments (=columns) creates problems:

Quote from: alexlaf on Aug 05, 04:12 PM 2024As rrbb said one side will always win!
But don't we take the coincidences as our objects and not the matches ?
putting objects (=matches) into compartments (=columns) creates problems:

To technical for me lol

I don't see things this way as objects and compartments because I confuse myself labeling things

Look at carpediem post example.  He didn't care about all the random noise happening in between.  He only cared of the final result.

The final result is a repeat of the number. This doesn't mean you need to win on the repeat.  It just means the cycle is over.

Let's look at things more advanced using these dozen cycles

1231...
2312...
3213...

All three are the exact same combination as far as objects go.  There's 2 unique numbers in the middle and 1 repeated which is the start and end.  So you can have 1 strategy that beats all three of these situations

Even if we use fruits the combination is the exact same and your strategy would beat it

Apple pear orange apple - 2 unique in the middle with the repeat in the front and end

For dozens there are I believe 33 different cycles(it's off the top of my head sorry if I'm wrong) and only 6 permutations(Im sure of this) to cover all of them.

It's always better to keep things as simple as possible. Carpediem had the best and simplest approach, I always recommend ppl to go look at his last two post because all the information is good.

As you said  its about the puzzle. .
I see where you going with the combination!
So you are saying that is the way as per dozen, doesn't that get to complicated for higher positions? In any case we don't need all of them.

"Instead of defining lines (the first line of a cycle), you could also look at for example the defining halves (the first half of a line cycle)"

Based on this Mel, i am thinking what if we calculate:

1)Probability of moving to a high section given the previous spin was in the low section!
2)Probability of moving to a low section given the previous spin was in the high section!

First indicates losses on the first five bets and a win on the sixth bet.

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, -30
This indicates no bet on the first spin, then progressive bets that each win until a loss on the sixth bet.

I'm studying how to merge the ds and dz flows, I haven't found a continuous attack yet, but I found a trigger that passed the first test of 500 spins. (It can be a positive variance only) I'll do more tests.
Flat bet.
Fixed bet of 5 units.
Gain can be +4 or +1
Losses can be -5 or -2

I got 33 triggers in 500 spins.
43 units won.

Below is an image with the DZ and Ds cycles interspersed. The trigger used in the test above is also there in this image.

Quote from: Rond1nell1x on Aug 06, 10:40 AM 2024a trigger

I am not saying that is wrong or correct BUT we need dependence to get an edge...
 

@Alexlaf I know that, my friend. I see a certain dependency between the flows. But I haven't found a way to explore that yet.