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Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 11, 04:05 AM 2011
Before we start all the tweeking,

does anyone have more than one loss in a set of 1000 spins in a zero table?!

vundarosa

I don't have one loss in 26,000 live spins Vundarosa, but remember my records never go for 1,000 spins at a time. 4-500 at most. So its still a kind of hit and run. I echo your question to Atlantis. HOW DOES MATRIX VERTICAL 5 hold up at RANDOM.ORG?

Post and myself have played it with great success. I'm not too proud to admit I might have been wrong. I can only go with what the results show me.

If MV5 is actually the better method afterall I want it known to all.

The one thing that I am interested in is betting on a five pointer to not become an 8 pointer. The strikerate is there for that it really is. Although Twister and myself have both seen 11 plus. They don't happen often. I will post my 140 games for MV6 later.

Just to make it clear.

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We play on 3 EC at the same time.
Treating each of them as a seperate game with seperate progression?
And they not affect each other?

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If we encounter ZERO do we ignore it in tracking?

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Are we looking for new patern at any point?
HLHL
HLLH
LLHH
HLHH
HLHH
LLHH

Or we looking for new patern since last win/lose?
HLHL
HLLH
LLHH
HLHH
HLHH
LLHH
LLHL
HLHL
LHHL
HHHL

Quote from: ophis on Jul 11, 07:34 AM 2011
Just to make it clear.

###
We play on 3 EC at the same time.
Treating each of them as a separate game with separate progression?
And they not affect each other?

###
If we encounter ZERO do we ignore it in tracking?

###
Are we looking for new patern at any point?
HLHL
HLLH
LLHH
HLHH
HLHH
LLHH

Or we looking for new patern since last win/lose?
HLHL
HLLH
LLHH
HLHH
HLHH
LLHH
LLHL
HLHL
LHHL
HHHL

Hello Ophis, Because of BR required. I recommend you pick TWO of the even chances for any given session.

We have one attempt at every FIVE POINTER THAT FORMS. Hoping it stays a FIVE POINTER. If we lose we bet the next FIVE POINTER that forms for a maximum of SIX ATTEMPTS 63 UNITS RISK.

Now regarding betting Against a FIVE POINTER becoming say a NINE POINTER. I think theres a very solid method here. NINE POINTERS or more do happen.

But they are vastly outnumbered by 5-8 POINTERS. I'm not sure of the strikerate yet. But it will be at least 25/1. And with 15 units required. I think we could have a method on par with THE PATTERN BREAKER. Only slightly faster turnover. You could even say this is THE VERTICAL ZONE for even chances. The optimum frame where vertical formations come to rest. Ive seen enough of them fall between 5--8 to know its more solid than the ZONE for DOZENS...

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 11, 12:15 AM 2011
Is MV6 "RNG friendly"?   American Wheel friendly?

Only one way to find out Proof. I think betting against FIVE POINTERS becoming NINE POINTERS should be. Ive just counted 36 of them between a NINE POINTER and TEN POINTER...

Hi Jl, i posted a comment yesterday. Can you let me know if thats what you were talking about a 5 pointer not becoming and 8 or nine

LHLL
LLLH
LHHH
LHLL
LLHH----so triger col 1
LLLH-----  Down 1 unit
HHLL-----  we bet on col using the 2nd stage of progression

try to simulate it at random.org...

Hello Atlantis,

Concerning your first 1000 spin test which had a loss.....

If possible could you run several more, say ten, I think you'll win them all....

We all agree that MV6 will lose at some point, could be the first set you play or your 1000...

When it is the first we cannot yet draw a solid conclusion. We then have placed ourselves in a situation where we have to proceed forward until we register another loss. Then I believe we have a far greater picture.....

Quote from: amk on Jul 11, 11:28 AM 2011
Hello Atlantis,

Concerning your first 1000 spin test which had a loss.....

If possible could you run several more, say ten, I think you'll win them all....

We all agree that MV6 will lose at some point, could be the first set you play or your 1000...

When it is the first we cannot yet draw a solid conclusion. We then have placed ourselves in a situation where we have to proceed forward until we register another loss. Then I believe we have a far greater picture.....

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I won that section betting against quads!

vundarosa

 

Quote from: amk on Jul 11, 11:28 AM 2011
Hello Atlantis,

Concerning your first 1000 spin test which had a loss.....

If possible could you run several more, say ten, I think you'll win them all....

We all agree that MV6 will lose at some point, could be the first set you play or your 1000...

When it is the first we cannot yet draw a solid conclusion. We then have placed ourselves in a situation where we have to proceed forward until we register another loss. Then I believe we have a far greater picture.....

This is true AMK,'plus every method seems to go belly up at random,org while in the real world they are profittable. If I bring out MV7 there will be 6 formations that go beyond 6. If we have MV8 there will be 6 that go beyond 7. OR WILL THERE BE?. Find the biting point Atlantis. What does it take to defeat RANDOM,ORG

Surely if its MV7 We have the one. Or did we already have it in MV5 These are my questions...

No matter what digit you add after the MV?? the result is still going to be 48.65% in your favour, and before you ask, yes I botted it this morning, using your cutoff point of 1,2,4,6,16,32 it flopped around every 80 triggers on average, without your cutoff it survives BUT as usual with an ec bet & martingale, the progression gets steep at some point, around 80% of the wins were below 128 units the rest were 256 and over, a few times well over.

Maybe I played it wrong though lol

Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 11, 12:12 PM 2011

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I won that section betting against quads!

vundarosa

Yes Vundarosa, I'm beginning to think we already had it with MV5. I mean I ve played 450 games now and only lost three times.

And as you said even Random.org couldnt defeat MV5 over that 1,000 spin sample.

Sorry JohnLegend,

Just a quick brainstorm.... I know its off topic...
Perhaps you might take a look at your records, just a quick glance....

HLHL
HLHH
HHHL
HLHL

Here we see two quads forming alongside each other, this is the trigger, now start the six step progression that two 7 pointers don't form next to each other..... 6 pointers could perhaps also be played against.....

If there is something to this it could be incorporated into MV6 while playing?

This might be interesting to some.

Here is SAME 1000 spin continuous test (results from random.org) I used for my MV6 test.

Tracked 2 lines then looked at last TWO vertical results in each column.
If  the results were different I then bet for the CHOP to continue...
If the results were the same then I bet for the STREAK to continue...
STOP AT A WINNER!

Use GLC EC progression?

H L L L - first line results
L L L H - second line results
L H H L - L,L,L,W
H H L L - L,L,W
H L L H - L,L,L,L
L H L L - L,W (6th step)
L L H L - L,W
L L H H - W
L L L L - W
L L L L - W
L H H L - W
L L H H - W
H L L H - L,L,L,L
L L H L - W (5th step)
H H L H - W
H L L H - L,W
H L H H - W
L H H H - L,L,L,W
L H H L - L,L,W
L L L L - W
H L L L - L,L,L,W
L H L H - W
L L L H - L,W
L H L L - W
H H L H - L,L,W
L H L L - L,W
L L H H - L,L,L,W
L H L H - W
H L H L - L,W
H L H H - L,L,L,W
L L L L - L,W
L H H L - L,L,W
L L L H - W
H L L L - L,L,L,W
H L L L - L,W
H H L L - W
L H H L - L,L,L,W
L L H L - L,L,L,W
H L L L - L,L,L,W
L H H H - W
L H L H - L,L,W
H L H L - L,L,W
L H H L - W
L L L H - L,W
H H L H - L,W
L L L H - W
L H H H - L,W
L H H H - W
H H L H - L,W
H H L L - L,W
H H H L - W
L H H L - L,W
H L L L - W
H L H L - L,L,W
H H L L - W
L L H L - L,W
L L H L - L,L,L,W
L L H H - W
H H H H - L,L,W
L H L H - W
L H H H - L,W
L L L L - W
H H H L - L,W
L L H H - W
L H L L - L,W
H H H L - L,L,W
L H H L - W
H L H H - W
H L H H - L,L,W
H H L L - W
H L L L - W
H L H H - W
H L L L - W
L H H H - L,L,W
H H L L - W
H H H H - L,W
H L L H - W
L L L L - L,L,L,L
H L H L - W (5th step)
L L L H - W
H L L L - W
L L L L - W
L H H H - L,L,L,L
L H L H - W (5th step)
H H H L - L,W
H H L L - L,W
H L H L - W
L H L H - L,W
L H H L - L,L,W
L H L H - W
L L L L - W
L L L L - W
H L L H - L,W
L L L H - W
L H L H - L,L,W
L H L L - W
L L H H - W
H L L L - L,L,W
L H L L - W
L L H L - L,W
L H L L - W
H L H L - L,W
L L L L - W
L H H H - L,L,W
H H H H - L,L,L,L
L L L L - W (5th step)
L L H H - L,L,W
H H L H - L,L,W
H L L H - L,W
H H H L - W
L L H L - L,W
L H H L - L,W
L H L L - W
L H H L - W
L L H H - W
H H H L - L,W
H L L L - L,W
H L H L - W
H L H L - W
H H L L - W
H L L H - W
L L L L - L,L,W
H L H L - W
L H H L - W
H L L L - W
L H H L - W
L H L H - L,L,W   
H L H H - L,L,W
H L L H - L,L,W
L L L L - L,W
L L L L - L,W
H H L H - L,L,W
L L H H - W
L H H L - L,W
L L L H - W
H L H L - L,L,W
H H H L - L,L,L,L*
L H L H - L,L,L,L*
L L H L - L,L,W (11th step)
H L H H - L,L,L,W
L H L H - W
L H L H - L,L,L,W
L H H H - W
H L H H - L,L,L,W
L L H L - W
L L H H - L,W
H H L H - L,L,L,L
H H H L - L,L,W (7th step)
L H H H - L,W
L L L L - L,L,L,W
L H H H - W
L L L L - W
L H L H - W
H L H H - L,W
H L H H - L,L,L,W
L L L L - L,W
L L H L - L,W
L H L L - W
H H H H - L,L,W
L L H L - W
H L L L - W
H L H H - L,W
H H L H - W
L L L H - L,W
L L L L - L,L,W
L H H L - W
L L H L - W
L L L H - W
H L H H - L,W
H L H L - L,W
H H L L - W
L L L L - L,W
L L H L - L,L,L,W
H L H L - L,W
H H H H - L,L,W
H L H L - W
L L L H - L,L,L,W
H L H H - W
L L L L - W
L H L H - L,L,L,W
L H H H - W
H L H H - L,L,L,W
H H H H - L,W
H L L H - W
H H L H - W
L H L H - L,L,W
L H L L - L,W
L L L L - W
H L H L - L,L,L,W
H L H H - L,W
H H H L - W
H L L H - W
H H H L - W
L H L L - L,L,W
L H L H - L,W
L H H H - W
L L H L - W
L L L H - W
H H L H - L,L,L,L
H L L H - L,W (6th step)
L L L H - L,L,W
H L L L - W
L H H H - W
H L H L - W
H L H H - L,L,W
L H L H - L,L,L,L*
L H L L - L,L,L,L*
H H H H - L,W (10th step)
H H L H - L,W
H H H L - W
L L H H - L,L,L,W
L L H H - L,L,W
H L L L - L,W
H H L L - L,L,L,L
L L H L - L,W (6th step)
H L L H - W
H L H L - L,W
H H L H - W
L H H H - L,L,W
H H L H - W
H H H L - L,W
H L H L - W
H L L H - W
L H H H - L,L,W
L L H L - L,W
L L H H - W
L H H H - W
H L H L - L,W
H L H L - L,L,W
L L L L - L,W
H H H H - W
L H L H - W
L L H H - L,L,W
L H L L - W
H L L H - L,W
L H H H - W
H L H L - W
H L L H - L,L,L,W
L H L H - L,L,L,L
H L L H - W (5th step)
L L H L - W
H L H L - W
H L L H - L,W
L L H L - L,W
L H L H - L,L,W
H L L H - L,W
L L L L - W
H H H L - W
H L L H - L,W
L H L L - L,W

The variable chains of same results in each column actually help this approach.

There are MANY wins (224) coming on the 1st to 4th step of the progression. In other words a win
obtained on each of 224 lines! (896 of the 992 in-play numbers)

There were 5 wins at the 5th step; 3 wins at the 6th step; 1 win at the 7th step; 1 win at the 10th
step and 1 win gained at the 11th step.

Maybe with some rules and a different progression (e.g. GLC's) and maybe a stop rule this could be
good and pay dividends?

There may be also some merit in playing only after LL or LW for instance as Zer0Blue often
suggests - although you can miss out on additional first column wins doing that...
eg: play after L,L,L,L or L,L,L,W

Anyway, although not directly related with JL's idea - it is surely food for thought? 

A.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 11, 12:32 PM 2011
Yes Vundarosa, I'm beginning to think we already had it with MV5. I mean I ve played 450 games now and only lost three times.

And as you said even Random.org couldnt defeat MV5 over that 1,000 spin sample.

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John, I'm playing the 3 ECs at the same time, they all perform well --and with a single BR given the strike rate-- I'm up by 250u, so when i eventually get a loss i'll be way ahead to be bothered by it. Started with a low investment and managed to double my BR twice...i would be playing with a higher unit value had i not busted on other systems...

vundarosa

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 11, 02:03 PM 2011
This might be interesting to some.

Tracked 2 lines then looked at last TWO vertical results in each column.
If  the results were different I then bet for the CHOP to continue...
If the results were the same then I bet for the STREAK to continue...
STOP AT A WINNER!

...

;-)
That is it dear Atlantis. I know we have talked about this some weeks ago... It is very cool to apply it here also.
as for LW strategy it seems essential.


Cheers


Zer0Blue