rigged website (sorry if in wrong place)

[whaleo]

hello!
I'v been playing online roulette and following a pretty much failsafe method
bet 50p black, double if red, etc etc
It was working well for me until the site started REGULARLY putting out 11- 14 spins of the same colour out.
the more I put in through out the game (holding out longer for the colour to flip back) the more of the same it puts out

eg it would start by rolling 6 reds regularly, then would go to 7, then 8, then 9. so even if I hold out and wait it screws me.

am I being paranoid or does this seem fixed to win the site back the money i'v won from them? 

thank you!

[biagle]

try it in live casino and you will se same sooner or later.

this is not failsafe system this is deadsafesystem

[Chris555p]

I gave up playing in such sort of casino a long time ago as this is not real roulette
imho.....I only play in B&M or live Wheel with real dealer.....

[TwoCatSam]

Guys, how old is that system.  200 years?

Be glad you were betting small.

[ausguy]

whaleo - yes they are rigged, they are just another version of RNG slot/poker machines. Your bets can never be FAILSAFE when the game program can avoid your bets & so the casino wins & you lose, as you have now found out.

They get away with it because like slots they are EGMs - ELECTRONIC GAMING MACHINES, not true random spun live dealer wheels & the game software is programmed to give the casinos a guaranteed profit. They are made to look like roulette games but really they aren't. It's all animated.

All this info. can be dug out of google & the gaming regulators sites. In the past I spent hours chasing info., that's how I know. That's why I never play RNG games including airball/sling shot RNG roulette.

Actually you could still bet (in theory) with the video display OFF. The results are already known after your bet is placed. The program just animates the spin result, most of the spins are false anyway, sometimes the "ball" almost does a figure 8 ? Impossible on a live wheel.

What would have happened if you had followed the wheel on all those blacks? I find it best to go with the wheel not against it with most plays.

Also notice that you are/were the only one playing, it's you vs the computer. Every player playing that particular game is in the same mode, ie player vs the computer.

Best advice, as already said, is stick to live dealer, if possible real chip casinos.

[ADulay]

Whaleo,

  RNG casino for real money?  Just say NO!

  AD

[Proofreaders2000]

...am I being paranoid or does this seem fixed to win
the site back the money i'v won from them?--Whaleo

Ausguy is right...in fact I suspect all casinos online-Live Wheel or otherwise (unless a Casino *such as Dublinbet gets enough players saying it is fair.  If
it means not gambling at all I wouldn't until I came across a land-based casino.

*One more thing.  Online casinos do not have to pay
you.  You hope they do (more times than not they don't)

[Mare]

Roulette is a much more complex game than red and black.

You have not experienced anything strange, the same could happen in the live wheel.

You have to learn and practice thousands of spins and then you'll understand.

There is no need to play the RNG.

[Azim]

Guy's I am sorry to say this. But it's the truth. Believe me or not.

What you are looking at is quite and very normal.  Here is an experiment you can do. Post me the result if I am wrong.

On your spare time, instead of playing roulette, take a coin and flip and keep results individually.  There will be a time when you will see a bunch of heads show up. If you keep doing it. There will be a time when you will get a bunch of tails.  After you get tired do a count. They both will even up in the long run.


That's whats happening to the wheel.  We because we are losing we think the site is rigged.  We are playing too many spins in a short period of time.

[ausguy]

Azim - So if Whaleo had bet on black on that posted run, the RNG computer program would have stayed all black & he would have enjoyed a series of wins, yes/no ? 

Numerous flips of a coin are true random results. RNG roulette results are manipulated. Your logic here is flawed because there is no wheel just a program with a linked interactive animated display.

The results may well even up in the long run but that's not what matters. What matters is the sequences that appear in the SHORT RUN. That is the progression bets the player has chosen & the Bank Roll to cover those progressions just like Whaleo did.

What's the use of worrying about long term trends if you've just been "taken to the cleaners" with most of the results shown on the marquee display board ?

With on line RNG play the computer game knows your bet balance as well as your bets before every "spin". Because the gaming regulations class RNG as Electronic gaming machines EGMs they only have to return a set TOTAL % amount back to the player.

Slots/poker machines are the classic example of this where they pay out a series of small wins that totals the player % return (95-98%?). Eventually the stake is shrunk down to zero. 3 steps back & only 2 forward. Player has had play time for no worthwhile wins & leaves saying "Oh well better luck next time."  The casino/venue has all of the players money. Sure some win but most lose.

RNG roulette is similar with payouts modified to suit roulette betting & the player % return. On a gaming regulators site I read that their audits only look at long term averages. For statistics longer term is more accurate. This may be once per month as some on line casinos & betting sites regulate their maximum withdrawals monthly ?

What this allows the RNG game to then do is "knock out" large bets & winning players. On later plays the program can adjust the payouts so that the statistical average is complied with. The RNG game will always do this as the program is designed for audit compliance.

There's so much we don't know about the workings of these games.

All I know is that playing the same way on RNG & live dealer wheel I have never won any play sessions on RNG. On live dealer I've so far won about 40% of the time over 12 years.

Because of nil RNG wins I haven't played them since 2010.

How about you Azim - Do you play & win consistantly on RNG roulette ? If you do then you'd be a rare forum animal as most posters report negative results for RNG.

[Azim]

Azim - So if Whaleo had bet on black on that posted run, the RNG computer program would have stayed all black & he would have enjoyed a series of wins, yes/no ? 

What I am saying is. by flipping the coin which is random too? Do you agree with that. If you do agree, by getting 10 heads in a row, have you manipulated  the result? Answer that yourself?

Numerous flips of a coin are true random results. RNG roulette results are manipulated. Your logic here is flawed because there is no wheel just a program with a linked interactive animated display.

The results may well even up in the long run but that's not what matters. What matters is the sequences that appear in the SHORT RUN. That is the progression bets the player has chosen & the bankroll to cover those progressions just like Whaleo did.

If you do the above and bet with progression, you lose your own random flipping, is that manipulated too?

What's the use of worrying about long term trends if you've just been "taken to the cleaners" with most of the results shown on the marquee display board ?

That's why we manage our money, have stop win and stop losses. No one has ever said you have to lose your bankroll in one session or one sitting.

With on line RNG play the computer game knows your bet balance as well as your bets before every "spin". Because the gaming regulations class RNG as Electronic gaming machines EGMs they only have to return a set TOTAL % amount back to the player.

Bet Voyager has a code that's displayed before you spin. It has the option of letting you decide how many spins you going to play and creates the code based on that.  Use that and look at the decoded numbers, you will see for yourself, you don't have to play out the full 1000 spins.  You will see a pattern run.

Slots/poker machines are the classic example of this where they pay out a series of small wins that totals the player % return (95-98%?). Eventually the stake is shrunk down to zero. 3 steps back & only 2 forward. Player has had play time for no worthwhile wins & leaves saying "Oh well better luck next time."  The casino/venue has all of the players money. Sure some win but most lose.

They don't give you codes to decode before you spin

RNG roulette is similar with payouts modified to suit roulette betting & the player % return. On a gaming regulators site I read that their audits only look at long term averages. For statistics longer term is more accurate. This may be once per month as some on line casinos & betting sites regulate their maximum withdrawals monthly ?

I don't believe in that, Yes I do use systems myself. However my starting bankroll is never more than 100 units. When I get lucky using my systems I try and make a killing from it. Enough to compensate any prior or future losses 

What this allows the RNG game to then do is "knock out" large bets & winning players. On later plays the program can adjust the payouts so that the statistical average is complied with. The RNG game will always do this as the program is designed for audit compliance.
Correct me if I am wrong. There will always be a point in time, when a player is up in units from his/her bankroll.  What we think is working is coming to bite us cause of HUMAN FACTOR called greed.

There's so much we don't know about the workings of these games.
Their have been great mathematician before us. If they haven't found a way of knowing the workings. I doubt if anyone will. We will never know about the future

All I know is that playing the same way on RNG & live dealer wheel I have never won any play sessions on RNG. On live dealer I've so far won about 40% of the time over 12 years.
If you are only winning 40% on play money, right there is a problem

Because of nil RNG wins I haven't played them since 2010.

How about you Azim - Do you play & win consistantly on RNG roulette ? If you do then you'd be a rare forum animal as most posters report negative results for RNG.
I have won my share and have lost my share.  However good money management has keep me afloat in the last few months.  When I lose I think of it the same way as everyone else does. I go back and play the same system the next day. I say wow, I did make my losses back. As long as I have faith in the system I am playing, money management will take care of it self

I am not saying I am a long term winner. I have had my bad and I mean very bad days. I have gone, on poker terms "GONE ON TILT". I think I, and we all do, think the next spin will win it. If it's not meant to be it's not meant to be. You can do whatever you want. It will not happen. If it's not meant to be.

[whaleo]

thank you for the replies everyone.
lesson learned, don't play online animated roulette wheels!
I doubt i'll ever go to a casino so thought i'd try and have a little taster of it in my home. bad idea... haha
thanks again

[Kingspin]

I would say the rng software was indeed manipulating the out come for it's own advantage.  Most i repeat Most rng is not to be played at all , it's a fools game really, it's very hard to prove an rng is actually cheating but any one who has played a lot of rng should know the gut wrenching feeling knowing the dam thing is laughing at you and switching on unbetted spots...

[ausguy]

The usual "carrot" with on line RNG roulette is that the minimum bets are much less than live dealer. Playing & losing often ads up over a year. Losing a 50 BR every week =  - 2,600 in 12 months.  Don't bet for ten weeks & save your 50's/30's & you'll have a 500/300 BR.

Many live dealer sites have 1 or 2 minimums $ or GBP/Euros. With a Bank roll of $500/300GBP (maybe 3 or 4 days pay in many jobs?).

My view is that bet targets should at least reflect wages & the value of living costs. Like if a meal & a tank of petrol costs $100/60GBP + Where's the value in time & effort of playing a session for 0.1 bets & winning 20 = x200 ratio.  Make the bets 1 or 2 whole units (live dealer play) & the same win ratio gives 200/400 per session. The effort input is the same for both plays. 200/400 per day x 5 = 1,000 or 2,000 per week (assuming 100% wins ?). It's peanuts vs cashews.

Depending on your play style - inside & or outside you can bet with 1 unit chips.

A few live dealer casinos that come to mind but I think you have to sign up (free) - DublinBet , often mentioned as being played by some forum members, Smart Live (but 10 min. on even chance bets). This site is good for testing as they have their free fun mode linked to the same wheel as real money bets. They give you 1,000 free fun chips to play with. All the bet functions are exactly the same as real money play. They also have options to view other players bets. 

Party casino has wide limits 2GBP min to 2000GBP on all outside bets (good for 2 : 1 players) The inside numbers are each 1 - 250. Party is difficult to view/test on as they block non betting play after a few spins.

I'm sure there's a lot more live dealer sites but that would need some research by any prospective player.

Whaleo - Wins as mentioned above could bank roll you a trip for real live chip action. Often you never know what's around the next corner ?