Double Dozens/Columns MM

[Dutchy]

Here is a little project  I have working on. It's like a  John  Patrick money management applied to the double dozens,columns. The bets for the most part will be from 1-3 units accept if on winning streak it will be more.Any losses and you return to the opening bet of 3-3.Follow the progression up as you win.Be realistic about win goals,20-25% of bankroll is realistic.Yes the big thing is winning the 1st bet in an attack.Here goes .

3-3,1-1,1-1,1-1,1-1,2-2,2-2,3-3,4-4, up one unit  from here on until a loss.It turned out sunny today!

[tuddilue]

Ok but how do you bet the dozen/columns? Against the winning one or following the winning one? Or in some other way?
- Tuddilue

[Dutchy]

 Tuddilue,for columns if it goes 2-1 I will play columns 1 and 3. For dozens if it goes 2-1 I will play both recent dozens. There a lot of experienced players on this board check out their opinions as well. As well see what works for you,you'll never know what you will fine! As far as repeats go I like 1-1 play 1st column or dozen to go 3 only then I will play the other two dozens or columns.Hope that helps some.

[DoctorSudoku]

Dutchy,
What do you when you lose the very first bet?

It is a question that applies to all regressive systems.

[Dutchy]

 Doctor ,you go back to the start of the progression,3-3.

[DoctorSudoku]

Dutchy,
Since you are starting at the 3 level, if you lose your first bet, it is not really going back but more like staying at the same level.

But is there any limit to how long you will stay at the 3 level  -- what happens if you lose 4-5 times in a row?

[mogul397]

Dutchy,
Since you are starting at the 3 level, if you lose your first bet, it is not really going back but more like staying at the same level.

But is there any limit to how long you will stay at the 3 level  -- what happens if you lose 4-5 times in a row?

Oooppps!!!

[Dutchy]

 Sudoku, you will lose 4-5 in a row ,that's nothing! There i s no column system or dozen system that won' t lose 4-5 in a row. Use it at your own discretion if you wish. I post general sharing of ideas. No claims of fortune are made.
I like it because most of the time you are betting between 1-3 units. If you are betting 4 or more units that means you have won 9 or times in s row and if you lose,you are comfortly ahead. Going to call it a night!

[DoctorSudoku]

I am not trying to pick on you, but it is a legitimate question that I have for anyone who advocates for a regressive system:

how do you handle a series of opening bet losses, given that you are starting out with a higher level bet?

[DoctorSudoku]

An addendum to the above post:

If you are betting 3 units for each of the two dozens and you lose that opening bet, you are down by 6 units.

If you stay at that 3 unit level for subsequent bets and you lose 4-5 such bets, you are down by 24-30 units. I think it might be near-impossible to recover from that situation by continuing with that regressive system.

That is why I think a regressive scheme is NOT appropriate for a double dozen method.

[Dutchy]

Sudoku, lets do the maths,24 chances to win,14 chances to lose.24/38=•6315*5 plays=3.157 wins on average per 5 spins. The reason it is 5 is because you asked what I would do if I lost 5 in a row. So on average   I will  win 3.157 spins in a 5 spin sequence.If I get none in 5 spins things are not looking up.But on average. I won't.

[tuddilue]

Tuddilue,for columns if it goes 2-1 I will play columns 1 and 3. For dozens if it goes 2-1 I will play both recent dozens. There a lot of experienced players on this board check out their opinions as well. As well see what works for you,you'll never know what you will fine! As far as repeats go I like 1-1 play 1st column or dozen to go 3 only then I will play the other two dozens or columns.Hope that helps some.

Thanks for that information.
Yes I have tested a lot of double dozen in the past. I think it is a fun way to play but hard to recover. So always interested to see how people play this bet.
Ok so you play like this:

Columns
2-1 -> play 1-3

Dozen
2-1 -> play 2-1

But what do you mean with "1-1 play 1st column or dozen to go 3 only then I will play the other two dozens or columns" can you give an example of that?
- Tuddilue

[DoctorSudoku]

Sudoku, lets do the maths,24 chances to win,14 chances to lose.24/38=•6315*5 plays=3.157 wins on average per 5 spins. The reason it is 5 is because you asked what I would do if I lost 5 in a row. So on average   I will  win 3.157 spins in a 5 spin sequence.If I get none in 5 spins things are not looking up.But on average. I won't.

Even if you lose just the first 2 or 3 bets (which can easily happen), you will be down 12 or 18 units (since you are betting 3 on each of the two dozens).

If you continue betting at the same level, it will take 4 or 6 wins before you can break even. Of course, along the way if you lose more bets, your hole will become even deeper.

And of course you can then forget about dropping down to the 1 unit level (which was your original intention).

Regressive betting schemes may work for even chance bets, but they are NOT appropriate for double dozen bets. 

[Dutchy]

Tuddilue, if the dozens or columns repeat ie:3-3 play 3rd dozen or column to repeat. If it repeats ie 3-3-3 I will play against it,1-2.Sudoku, your point is well taken.