Ignatius

[mogul397]

Is it possible, anywhere, for you Ignatius to present a method that we
can actually use, that doesn't require a 1000 unit bank and has a couple
200 unit drawdowns?

That is what I expect to see when you make a post with a bunch of charts.

Seems like you've got that down pat. But as the old commercial said,
"Where's the beef"?

[Bettingking]

Ignatus has many great systems that if you tweak them are very good.
He is only providing ideas for everyone so you must respect that and like he has said they cannot be seen as complete concrete systems.
If you are creative enough you will find there are many that will work with adjustments.....even long term
The creativeness comes from within as the systems are not set in stone 
He has spent many hours and is willing to share so that must be respected.

You cannot expect to bet and make a reasonable profit if there are no larger draw downs at times.  Believe me it can react a lot like the market with a period of time where profit may not be made after a few spins (downturn in the market).  If you have an adequate system and proper bankroll believe me it DOESN"T MATTER!  If you get emotional and let that dominate you when you are down you should not be betting in the first place.  To make decent money you need a large bankroll and be ready for a succession of non-hits.
The system I am trialing requires $1,200 for $1 bets and it did get down to $500 at worst but I know I will come out with $200 profit minimum if you wait and wade out the non hits.
To be honest a good system will claw back any large drawdowns and many of his systems have the ability to do this if you have the right progression
Bottom line - Don't expect to go to the casino with $50 to make $1,000.
Draw downs do test your patience and can test your emotional state but with a good system you know if you have done your research and analysed the statistics and odds of your system it will prevail! 

[nottophammer]

If you have an adequate system and proper bankroll believe me it DOESN"T MATTER!

At last, a sentence of truth.
Let me show how true that sentence is. In KTF, it started without a point of loss,it had a stop point, the 50/+50, then because members see the +1/-1 could get high, the jitters set in and a loss point was suggested -800. Well from the topic trying something smartlive, you can see it would require a large BR, -800 at .25p unit = £200, so as the sentence says have an adequate BR. So here's why,


so here is the -800 reached by having a to smaller BR, at spin 42.
now what happened with a bit more of an adequate BR


Spin 61 +22
28 of the 37 in 60 spins, the usual suspects are 30.5 in 60 spins. Getting off track here but the trott was average in spins 11-20 and 21-30, then slowed down, if any of you know countback you'll see the trot ended at spin 40, -3 only 12,0x's in 30 spins 

[Roulettedevil]

Is it possible, anywhere, for you Ignatius to present a method that we
can actually use, that doesn't require a 1000 unit bank and has a couple
200 unit drawdowns

I always test my systems using 1000 units
Depends what your base units are , people who can only afford a certain amount to bet it's ideal if you can use 0.10 chips , build your BR .

[Bettingking]

Thanks notto!  Yes it is too easy to come to conclusions without full testing and live wheels for me only!

...and what is a reasonable sample size? Who knows but if systems can win more than they can loose on average that must be a plus!   

[nottophammer]

Bettingking

Once you've tested you find ways to take the win.

Various places to get off with +units, if you can KTF spin 53 +295

[mogul397]

Ignatus has many great systems that if you tweak them are very good.
He is only providing ideas for everyone so you must respect that and like he has said they cannot be seen as complete concrete systems.
If you are creative enough you will find there are many that will work with adjustments.....even long term
The creativeness comes from within as the systems are not set in stone 
He has spent many hours and is willing to share so that must be respected.

You cannot expect to bet and make a reasonable profit if there are no larger draw downs at times.  Believe me it can react a lot like the market with a period of time where profit may not be made after a few spins (downturn in the market).  If you have an adequate system and proper bankroll believe me it DOESN"T MATTER!  If you get emotional and let that dominate you when you are down you should not be betting in the first place.  To make decent money you need a large bankroll and be ready for a succession of non-hits.
The system I am trialing requires $1,200 for $1 bets and it did get down to $500 at worst but I know I will come out with $200 profit minimum if you wait and wade out the non hits.
To be honest a good system will claw back any large drawdowns and many of his systems have the ability to do this if you have the right progression
Bottom line - Don't expect to go to the casino with $50 to make $1,000.
Draw downs do test your patience and can test your emotional state but with a good system you know if you have done your research and analysed the statistics and odds of your system it will prevail! 

I definitely like and advocate all the stuff that Ignatius does. It certainly lubricates the wheels of
the forum and the mind.  No complaints about that.

I'm just saying that the results are always out of reach. The required bank.

His charts show far more testing, in graphical form, than most do overall.  But there is also
a consistent drawdown spike in them.. So if you have the stomach and the bank for them, they
are all great. Perhaps that's what is needed to win in the greater universe of chaos. No
easy solution.

But at some point we should move on. If nothing else take something that is good and find ways
to squelch or eliminate the drawdown spikes, which is in fact the specific problem with his methods.

If anything the best thing I think is that he demonstrates, by his charts, that the drawdowns exist and
go on to recovery. For most other workouts, the drawdowns only indicate a failure, and don't
move on. That is an extremely positive aspect of his work.

I just think that more focus on that and development is needed for it to be usable.

[mogul397]

Bettingking

Once you've tested you find ways to take the win.



EXACTLY my point. (And of course to not ride the negatives)

[mogul397]

FYI my base unit (outside) is $5.

So 200 units is $1000....