The roulette wheel doesn't know or care how the chips made it on the table

[RouletteGhost]

Not my line. I stole it.

Fact is, the roulette wheel doesn't know how or care how the chips made it to the table

Hot numbers? Cold numbers? Supposed advantage play? Systems? Methods? Strategies?

No matter which way you slice the cake, it's still cake

Therefore, I never understood why people might think there method is better. Or keep their method a secret.

When you take a step back it's quite silly

It is a negative expectation game

For the veterans: your chips are subject to the same house edge mine are

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Casinos most definitely read these forums

I was in Atlantic City on New Year's Day. My friend was winning. Big. Random betting. The dealer said "are you playing a system, if you are, tell us we want to know".....they laugh about it

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So have fun is what it's all about I think



My though on advantage/wheel bias play. My personal opinion? Bullocks.

Take any system. Even one of mine. You can have a spike of wins. Then it goes down then it goes back up. Like ignatus' graphs. Up and down and up and down.

So called AP players ALSO have those spikes. They also have losses. Why? They play the same game we are. Perhaps AP wins are just luck/variance

In my opinion the only way to get around the house edge is visual ballistics because that's proven science

As far as the forum bickering and mocking systems that's just a waste of time

[maestro]

amen...

[falkor2k15]

I think it can be beaten. If there was a table limit of 1 unit and positions representing only the 37 straight ups we would have a hard time - but the casino gives us a limit of 2000 together with cheaper positions like dozens and lines.

If you can predict what will happen with the board/wheel then you can become a millionaire - same if you predicted that Donald Trump would have become president having had a bet with William Hill.

Each of the 37 numbers has an equal chance of appearing once - but one will repeat long before all 37 ever get a chance to show. If only we knew how to take advantage of that predictability.

Let's say that number 11 had repeated once and five other numbers had appeared once but not repeated yet... we can either play for the first to get to 2 repeats or we can ignore number 11 and play for the first repeat on the rest.

[Steve]

The only way to beat roulette is to increase accuracy of predictions. There are only a handful of ways to do it, and it is possible only in the right conditions. You cant beat every wheel. You need to match the right technique to the conditions. That's it in a nutshell.

Check the news. Read material written by casino consultants. Read lab test reports commissioned by governments. All the proof is there. There's no point in arguing about it. Anyone just needs to look.

Many people in the industry have no clue still (great to see). But a handful of the real pros know and agree with what I said - although even they dont appear to fully understand from what I've seen.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to beat roulette in the right conditions, and how common the right conditions are. But when perhaps 1 in 5,000 roulette players is a consistent winner, and the other 4999 are consistent losers, why would the casinos be that concerned? I could go on forever about this but its against my interests to get into too much detail - as much as I do share, I keep the best parts to myself. Sure casino staff read the forums, and mostly have a laugh. But there are a list of keywords that get their attention. The list doesn't include EC, outside bets, Reds, Blacks, RRBRRB, repeaters, hot and cold, and so on.

RG, AP is not a myth. But opportunity for bias is extremely rare these days. To the point where its not really viable anymore. To find a biased wheel in a way that's practical, you start by visual observations. This narrows everything down greatly and saves a lot of time. But then you need around 1,000 spins to have enough data for something like a half wheel or large sector bias that confirms visual observations. And you can easily detect bias before the casino if you know what you're doing - and are in the right place at the right time. The chances of that are very remote. But then you need to exploit the bias without detection. It can be done. But again it's really not worth the time. It costs a significant amount of money to travel and scout for wheels. It would be made more viable with a network of players, but even then it's not realistic. There is actually much more opportunity with other methods.

Each of the 37 numbers has an equal chance of appearing once - but one will repeat long before all 37 ever get a chance to show. If only we knew how to take advantage of that predictability.

There is NO predictability in this. It's just random. You are looking the wrong way.

[RouletteGhost]

The only way to beat roulette is to increase accuracy of predictions

That's relative

People have great success with certain methods ktf is just an example. Hundreds of sessions and the wins well outweigh the losses

I know I know not enough spins. But still

It's all relative.

[RouletteGhost]

What it comes down to is that your definition of beating roulette is different then others

Your definition of beating roulette Steve is: beating the HE and accurately predicting

My definition of beating it is : winning sessions outweighing the losing ones

[RouletteGhost]

In reply to steves comment to me regarding AP

I said bias was mainly bullocks

I said visual ballistics was the way to go

[RouletteGhost]

How many bias players win and lose due to variance thinking they are gods gift?

[Steve]

People have great success with certain methods ktf is just an example. Hundreds of sessions and the wins well outweigh the losses

Most systems win "most of the time". But the progression means when the system eventually fails, the winnings and more are returned to the casino. This is the case with even the martingale.

Say 100 people all used tbe same system that won most of the time. 90 of them might win a combined $10,000. The remaining 10 might lose a combined $11,000. Thats a typical losing system.

A negative progression can prolong losing a bankroll. A positive progression can give big highs and lows. A bet selection can work very well on some spins, and very poorly on other spins. Why? Because its just luck. Run the same system on rx many times and see. Some systems tend to last longer than others. Because of the overall amounts wagered.

The reality is no system is better than another. They are all just an assortment of bets that each have rheir own odds and probabilities. What does separate systems is amount of numbers bet. The more numbers you cover, the lower tbe variance. But when yournumbers dont hit, the downside is those bets covering many nmbers mean your losses are greater. The result is the same. You can win, or lose, depending on luck. Many players can use the same system, and most will lose. The thats the house edge.

I agree about bias. And about vb, its not the same end of the road. There are probably a lot more unexplored roads we dont yet know about.

My definition of a winning method is one where the more you play, the more you win - perpetually. Theres of course variance, but Im talking long term play.