Hit and Run System Players Are Like Vampires.

[Steve]

RG, this is not GF and there is a level of behavior that wont be tolerated. Caleb knows this too. It goes both ways.

You dont need to respect each other. But everyone still needs to back up and understand RF is not a continuation of the GF gibberish and arguments. I'm just asking everyone to adjust attitudes here for the sake of relevance and productivity.

[Andre Chass]

I have asked on Andre's thread for anyone to show evidence, example play 1000++ games with live shoes that prove his system is a loser. If your proof is just some math formula, that's not the proof I look for, I can do the math.

I don't see any reason to take offence, except for the belittling and name calling with this practice of blanket assumptions.

I'll pay $1000 to anyone who proves my system is a loser.

[Steve]

with all due respect, do you think he is here for rational discussion? LMAO

he created this thread to disrupt the forum...turner was not offended he just called him out on that fact

then caleb exhibits the Mr J victim complex and says "try and keep it civil"

PLEASE STOP I AM LAUGHING TOO HARD

RG I get it, really. But I've discussed it with Caleb and I believe he will try and keep it civil. But that's hard to do if he is not given a chance.

Yes we have been here before. And if nothing changes then it will end the same way - its a click and not hard to do. At the moment although he is unpopular, his productivity outweighs the negatives of him being here. You dont need to respond to him or read anything he writes. You can actually ignore / hide his posts in your settings if you like.

[cht]

People should not be so offended by every post.

If a system player doesnt want to be told why their system wont work, then don't read the reasoning.

If a system player doesnt want to argue the logic, then use the "system players section" where APs and logical discussion of tests and math are basically forbidden.

For players willing to learn, even if the truth is inconvenient, pay close attention to what is being said.

Caleb and I are very different on some levels. But on some levels we see things the same way. One of our shared views is probably frustration at the stupidity of some system players, who bury their heads in sand and refuse to consider basic logic and math. And they think we (APs) have the problem.

For one thing, is it coincidence the entire professional gaming community acknowledges AP as legitimate threat to casinos, and approaches like repeaters to be garbage and ideal for a casino's revenue? There are very few AP forums, and they are much more quiet, because:

1. We already knows what does and doesnt work. And any testing is done in private, away from casino staff, and not on a public forum,

2. There are a lot more system players than APs (more losers than winners)

3. Most of us cant be bothered trying to explain the basics to people who dont care to learn

When we try and explain basic facts politely, we get attacked. People who dont like having their beliefs challenged, and they often take it personally. In response, the truth gets explained again, although this time with a bit of attitude. After all, you're only human and trying to help people - but they just don't want the help.

So the question is if a member has knowledge that will help people, but it is unwelcome, should the knowledge be shared? After all, it isnt appreciated. And it's certainly less appreciated if the knowledge comes with attitude.

I mean well with my explanations, although I'm human and can give some attitude too. It is in response to attacks, but what gets me frustrated more than anything is ignorance and people that just dont get it. Caleb gets attacked too, even when he's calmly explaining why something wont work. Watch carefully..... anyone who opposes someone's view tends to get attacked.

With regards to Caleb, dont be so touchy with a bit of attitude. Many of you behave towards him in a way that is not exactly perfect either.

Caleb knows, or should know where the line is, and has said he'll focus on rational discussion without being a complete ass.

Caleb belittled and name called gazillion times.

You are lying if you say he didn't.

The same reason I don't engage with both of you.

The reason your moderation is uneven handed, lacks credibility.

Here, Turner stepped up to draw the line.
TQ sir.

Ultimately consider the message - what is being said. You might learn something. It does no good to immediately refute something without testing. Try to understand what is being said. And often a bit of humor can help the message sink in.

[Steve]

I know what Caleb has been like previously. Hence why he was moderated for so long. All that's different is moderation was removed. If history repeats, he will be moderated again.

Simply report posts you feel are against the rules.

This thread is approaching the line, because it is poking a bit of fun at system players. But there is method behind this. When someone doesn't wake up to reality, you can poke them. You can whisper in their ear. And if they still don't wake up, you need to slap them in the face.

As I see it, Caleb here is using analogies and humor in attempt to get through. No doubt he enjoys poking fun a little, which he needs to be careful of.

And again, focus on the message, not so much the delivery. The delivery is more another way of explaining things. And yes i'm aware it is borderline.

[sugtips]

There are systems play with net positive expectation, they aren't posted on forums.

Yes I agree. Thanks

[RouletteGhost]

Steve, it’s not that he’s “not getting through”

If people are interested in the AP aspects of roulette they will look into it

This is a system forum for people who choose to play different ways, as silly as it may be at times

He’s the lunatic doing this for years

As smart as you are surprised you don’t see it

Beats a dead horse for what most know


Oh well

[Steve]

This is a system forum for people who choose to play different ways, as silly as it may be at times

Different people have different reasons for being here. I think the vast majority are hoping to crack roulette and profit. It is not just a hobby. That's why I find it important to challenge inaccurate information to ensure people head in the right direction. Over the years Ive known many people to lose because of bad advice on the forum. Sure it's their fault for being gullible and not learning properly. But as admin I dont want the forum to be loaded with a bunch of crap that is harmful, and easily refuted.

As smart as you are surprised you don’t see it

Simply I put truth and facts ahead of popularity, and minor irritation of some members. Or should I be the only person trying to beat sense into people making potentially life-changing mistakes. Remember, most people here see roulette as a serious venture to profit, not just a hobby. So there are more serious consequences if I just let bullshit reign supreme.

I believe in a balanced forum. And most of the time, the balance is way out in favor of inaccurate and potentially harmful information. Unfortunately the popular information is actually the bullshit information. If I only cared about a busy forum full of happy posters, I would just shut my mouth. I'd rather a quieter but more productive forum.

We can waste time on these points, but it is better if everyone just focus on finding NEW approaches to try.

Imagine if everyone could properly test and easily see their mistakes. Imagine if people learned what works and why. At the moment so much energy is put into a dead end, that has been met billions of times by gamblers before. Learning here is way too slow.

[psimoes]

I enjoy reading the general and steves posts. They are like the bad cop and the good cop. The system players are like drug addicts and theyre only a problem if they also deal the stuff, they only do harm to themselves when they promptly aknlowdge theyre playing systems for fun, but once a system gets hailed as a holy grail then expect the backfire.
Let the general disrupt the forum if all you read is mediocrity and the blind leading the blind. I take it some ppl will never learn the basics like those who still believe in perpetual motion. Those are lost cases but theres hope for some.

[Roulettebeater]

I enjoy reading the general and steves posts. They are like the bad cop and the good cop. The system players are like drug addicts and theyre only a problem if they also deal the stuff, they only do harm to themselves when they promptly aknlowdge theyre playing systems for fun, but once a system gets hailed as a holy grail then expect the backfire.
Let the general disrupt the forum if all you read is mediocrity and the blind leading the blind. I take it some ppl will never learn the basics like those who still believe in perpetual motion. Those are lost cases but theres hope for some.

System players are like sex addicts not drug addicts

It's different !

[psimoes]

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Someone likes to sleep around and its none of anyones business until that someone starts hooking.