Trend Players Secrets

[Gizmotron]

So Spike has found a book written in 1995 that talks about trend play.    Then another one pops up that's perhaps older, I forget, or I didn't bother to look when it was published anyway.    When does not matter.   

Now gr8player, Baccarat fame, is talking about clusters.    I've mentioned the global effect.    So there are trends that "bunch" together, that "cluster" together, and that take on the characteristics of dominations of singles or repeats of series in clusters, bunches, and with global effects.    There are trends that fit perfect and almost perfect pattern repetitions.    There are sections or dozens that sleep for long stretches.    There are trends that last for 40 spins or more.    There are losing streaks based on following trends.    There are win streaks based on following trends.    Some people will attempt to tell you that you can't guess when a win streak or a losing streak will occur.    They always miss the point that you can notice when one is happening.    You can also notice when one continues to happen.   

You can have any reason for a bet selection process and it will have times when it has a winning streak and it will have times when it's a losing streak.    Is it possible that you can have a strategy to deal with win streaks and losing streaks? I say you can.    In fact I insist that you must or you can't deal with your own mistakes that will lead you into losing your bankroll.   

So how is all this done? I use charts of past spins that just occurred.    I keep a running tab on all the different sections of the outside table layout bets as well as a few inside sectors that I created just to increase my data field.    In all that there is usually something going on somewhere.   

Guess what? When something is not happening, often times the opposite is happening.    If you are smart you can bet for something not to happen and that wins for you too.   

Any questions?

[VLS]

I use charts of past spins that just occurred.

Any questions?

Yes, I have one. How many "cycles" do you consider optimal for this "window" of past spins to use?

Notice I do understand the spin-length in "cycles" is different between -say- 3 cycles at the even chance (2 x 3 = 6 spins) and 3 cycles at 1 single number (37 x 3 = 111 spins).

How many cycles should an optimal window be comprised of?

If you tell me what location and your suggested optimal betting spins, the cycles can be computed.

Thanks and regards.

[Gizmotron]

How many cycles should an optimal window be comprised of?

None would be the right answer.  I look back 30 spins to see if the global effect is occurring.  That's when small clusters bunch together in a style that is nearly completely the opposite of singles all bunched together.  Singles bunched together is good too.  If that does not look good then I look back about three to ten spins to see dominances and sleepers.  38 spins almost never comes into it.  The global effect comes and goes in 20 to 30 spins.  The short termed trends generally only last 10 to 20 spins.  You want to act on change.  So you guess for things to form up within a few spins back.

[hamsup_sotong]

great info giz.

kudos for sharing

Cheers
hamsup

[VLS]

None would be the right answer.  I look back 30 spins to see if the global effect is occurring. 

Well, the "no-answer" is easily measurable then:

As you are an outside bettor...

Dozens/Column's cycle = 3 spins.

30 / 3 = 10 cycles of observation window for dozens and columns.

Even chance cycle = 2

30 / 2 = 15 cycles of observation window for RED/BLACK, EVEN/ODD, LOW/HIGH and any other even chance combination.

Cheers!

[Gizmotron]

Oh, I see, I think.  So you are into cycles now?

[VLS]

So you are into cycles now?

Just using them as a measure of proportion.

I have seen it many times that a player says "X amount of spins is optimal for back-tracking", and he is an even chance player. Then other non-EC-players use the figure on double-streets or other locations without respecting the actual proportion.

i.e. for a player tracking single numbers, he couldn't take "30 spins to see if the global effect is occurring.", he would more likely need to observe 37 * 10 = 370 spins at least if he supposed to take your word on it, proportionally.



By all means have the (interesting) debate on "states" / trends continue!

[Gizmotron]

I see it a little differently. It doesn't make sense to look back more than a few spins in order to see what is currently happening. Hot numbers tend to change every 200 to 450 spins. ECs change in about 5 to 15 spins. 2/1 bets change from 5 to 30 spins.