Betting a lot of numbers is beneficial in the short term?

[RouletteGhost]

Well I tried the idea...I think it can be built on...I have been thinking about what Steve said

So I took out some live wheel American spins, and what I would do is this: when 5 lines have hit, bet those 5 lines.....

It wins a lot....1 unit per win

but a loss is 5 units

so in about 200 spins i had 6 wins and 3 losses

thats -15 units and +6 units

not good enough

how to build on this idea

[Steve]

What I mean is if you walk up to a table and bet say 30 numbers on 3 spins, the chances are you'll profit a little. But you also risk a lot for the small profit.

Alternatively you can bet fewer numbers, and you probably wont profit. You'll probably lose everything you bet. But if you do win, you make a good profit.

So which is better? It's partly a matter of personal preference, but it also depends on how you made your bet selection.

If your bets are random, or have the same accuracy as random, then it all comes down to personal preference.

If your bet selection is based on something that determines your numbers are more likely to win than others, then simply the more numbers you bet, the more assured your profit, provided each of those numbers are more likely to hit than random numbers.

Ultimately it all comes back to what I keep saying about increasing accuracy of prediction. If your bets are as accurate as random, you changed nothing.

If you're after a quick and nasty system, them look at the distance between pockets for each rotor direction (basic dealer signature). Its really not any more complicated than typical system bet selection. But the problems are:

* How do you know the distances are due to legitimate predictable parameters like rotor and ball speed?

* How do you know the conditions are sufficiently the same?

If conditions slightly change, then you can go from hitting the right area, to avoiding it. And if you avoid the correct sector, then the edge against you is even stronger than the house edge. So realistically more is needed to ensure a real advantage.

But if your bet selection is based on patterns you think exist, and they dont really exist, then you're just making random bets no matter what you think.

[Buffster]

Divide carpet in half (L/H) and bet best line in each half ... @ 1 unit each ( -2 units)
If bet is lost...Divide carpet in 3 and bet best line in each third @ 1 unit (-3 units total -5)
If bet is lost ...Divide carpet in 4 and bet best line in each fourth @ 1 unit (-4 units total -9)
If bet is lost stay @ best 4 lines but start a progression ...@ 2 units...3..4..6..9..14..
If you didn't win...call it a night and go home.


Buffster

PS..You might need a tracker to track best lines for half carpet..1/3 carpet...1/4 carpet

[RouletteGhost]

thanks buff

what do you mean by best?

[Buffster]

best line ... last hit line in each sector ...so if you divide carpet in half ..track lines 1-6 and 7-12 and play the last hit lines in each sector.

If you don't win divide the carpet in 3 ...lines 1-4..5-8..9-12  and track the last hit lines in these three sectors and play those lines.


etc...etc...etc


Buffster

[Scarface]

RG, are you interested in a way to play 5 lines only?  I'll play 5 lines,but my recovery is normally playing less numbers until profit...then back to 5 lines again

[RouletteGhost]

Well yes and no

Betting 5 lines can give you those quick hit and run profits

Problem is you can dig a deep hole fast and very hard to recover

How do you go about it? On a loss play a lot less numbers how so?

Thanks

[Scarface]

Here's a way you may want to consider, or use as an idea.  The main bet is 5 lines.  As long as you're getting hits, stay on this bet.  If you miss, and go into recovery, return to the 5 line bet as soon as you recover.

Recovery Level 1
1.  Bet 5 lines.  If miss, go to next step
2.  Bet 5 quads.  If hit go back to #1.  If miss, go to next step
3.  Bet 5 lines.  If hit go back to #2.  If miss, next step
4.  Bet 5 splits.  If hit go back to #2.  If miss, next step
5.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step
6.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step.
7.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step.

Recovery Level 2.
1.  Bet 4 singles for 9 spins.  If 0 hits, go to next step.  If 1 hit, repeat.  If 2 hits, you're in profit, start from beginning
2.  Bet (2) units on 3 singles for 12 spins.  If 1 hit, repeat.  If 2 hits, you're in profit, start back from beginning.

Level 1 recovery is a parachute that plays less numbers.  If you get thru level 1 with no hits, you've played a total of 90 numbers, and it cost a total of 35 units.

Level 2 recovery is looking for 2 hits in a cycle to profit. 

If you are unfortunate enough to go through both levels without a hit, you have played a total of 162 numbers.  The great thing about the recovery is that you haven't played more than 6 units total per bet.  So, there is plenty room for progression at this point.  I prefer a positive progression, only raising wager 1 unit after a hit.  Seems like when there is a long while since a hit, then the wins will cluster together when they come.  Of course, anytime you hit profit, always go back to your original 5 line bet.

[Buffster]

Here's a thread from 2003 ... Maybe it might inspire you.

link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=802&forum=Roulette_Archive


Buffster

[RouletteGhost]

Here's a way you may want to consider, or use as an idea.  The main bet is 5 lines.  As long as you're getting hits, stay on this bet.  If you miss, and go into recovery, return to the 5 line bet as soon as you recover.

Recovery Level 1
1.  Bet 5 lines.  If miss, go to next step
2.  Bet 5 quads.  If hit go back to #1.  If miss, go to next step
3.  Bet 5 lines.  If hit go back to #2.  If miss, next step
4.  Bet 5 splits.  If hit go back to #2.  If miss, next step
5.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step
6.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step.
7.  Bet 5 singles.  If hit, start from beginning.  If miss, next step.

Recovery Level 2.
1.  Bet 4 singles for 9 spins.  If 0 hits, go to next step.  If 1 hit, repeat.  If 2 hits, you're in profit, start from beginning
2.  Bet (2) units on 3 singles for 12 spins.  If 1 hit, repeat.  If 2 hits, you're in profit, start back from beginning.

Level 1 recovery is a parachute that plays less numbers.  If you get thru level 1 with no hits, you've played a total of 90 numbers, and it cost a total of 35 units.

Level 2 recovery is looking for 2 hits in a cycle to profit. 

If you are unfortunate enough to go through both levels without a hit, you have played a total of 162 numbers.  The great thing about the recovery is that you haven't played more than 6 units total per bet.  So, there is plenty room for progression at this point.  I prefer a positive progression, only raising wager 1 unit after a hit.  Seems like when there is a long while since a hit, then the wins will cluster together when they come.  Of course, anytime you hit profit, always go back to your original 5 line bet.

will test thanks

[RouletteGhost]

Here's a thread from 2003 ... Maybe it might inspire you.

link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=802&forum=Roulette_Archive


Buffster

interesting

[RouletteGhost]

I’m a mess

Posting everything in the wrong thread

This is what I meant to post. I wanted to ask what you were doing here

Thanks

Bet this on double streets.
All bets are flat.

Bet# Unit Odds Total Payout Profit

1. 1 5/1 1 6 +5
2. 1 5/1 2 6 +4
3. 1 5/1 3 6 +3
4. 1 5/1 4 6 +2
5. 1 5/1 5 6 +1
6. 2 8/1 7 8(16) +1(+9)
7. 2 11/1 9 12 +3
8. 2 11/1 11 12 +1
9. 3 17/1 14 18 +4
10. 3 17/1 17 18 +1
11. 5 17+12/1 22 30 +8
12. 5 17+12/1 27 30 +3
13. 6 35/1 33 36 +3
14. 7 35+5/1 40 42 +2
15. 9 35+17/1 49 54 +5
16. 11 35+17+11/1 60 66 +6

[junscissorhands]

The new cammegh wheels are very very very difficult to use ap/vb/dealersig. The scatter is crazy, it can jump to the opposite sector and then even sometimes to all sorts of places.

[The General]

The new cammegh wheels are very very very difficult to use ap/vb/dealersig. The scatter is crazy, it can jump to the opposite sector and then even sometimes to all sorts of places.

Have you collected a scatter plot from one?

Have you seen a scatter plot from one?

[Steve]

For two wheels of the exact same design, scatter can be completely different. On some wheels, the scatter is bad (although there are still usually ways to minimize it, like targeting predictions where the ball falls only at certain points). On other wheels (with exact same design), the scatter can be extremely predictable.

I have never, never known a wheel to have completely unpredictable scatter. The worst I've found is a low edge of about 5%, assuming there are no prediction errors. And that's without the use of advanced algorithms to isolate predictions where the ball is likely to fall at particular points. This realistically is only possible with roulette computers if you are to get predictions in time. It is possible with VB only with very late predictions.

Also a consideration is rotor speed vs scatter. For a specific wheel (not just the design, because two wheels of the same design can give very different results). Some rotor speed ranges on individual wheels can produce significantly different scatter.

So you cant say scatter is good or bad for a specific wheel design. You can generalize and say usually a wheel design is good or bad, but ultimately there's a lot more to consider.

Anyone who says you cant beat modern wheels with VB, bias, computers or whatever just doesnt have enough experience, or the right techniques, in the area.