NEVER OR ALWAYS

[ScoobyDoo]

Dear Fellow Forum members,

I find it amusing when a new idea or method is shared, that we will study it for a bit...might even test it to some degree and then drop it like a hot potato, going on to the next imagined "Holy Grail".

A prime example of this is from the old VLS Forum. Victor gave us a method in which two numbers, side-by-side somewhere on the wheel will ALWAYS (100% of the time)happen within 37 spins. But after minimal testing we gave up and went on to the next thing. Personally, I think more testing was needed....not on 37 spins but on 24 spins....or some other number of spins that would allow us to have a working method. That being said, I have this challenge for all of you:

Lets find as many situations as possible which would NEVER happen in our lifetime(Within reason) OR will ALWAYS happen (100% of the time) either on the wheel or on the board. I feel confident that one or more of these occurances could be made into a viable method of play. Ok, lets have your ideas and then lets chose one or two and work on them.

Regards,
Scooby Doo

[VLS]

Victor gave us a method in which two numbers, side-by-side somewhere on the wheel will ALWAYS (100% of the time)happen within 37 spins. But after minimal testing we gave up

Well, in reality *almost* 100%.

It is still as consistent as usual, and included as a trigger in the tool!

I've spotted plenty of these "almost certainties" and -even if they aren't truly 100%- due to the sheer amount of concatenations (consecutive cycles) they appear or clump together, the gist lies in spotting these times at an enough rate to win consistently rather than trying to develop a 100% certain proposition (most certainly inexistent) and drop everything else in between, even the very good bets.



I'm with you scooby. In their thirst to find a 0% possibility of losing (i.e. the holy grail) people misses the goodies that -while bearing the occasional loss- may earn them up units at a sufficient rate. All for avoiding the dreaded mental state of getting our of the casino having lost a session, which may be devastating psychologically for some characters.

What is needed is a better understanding of the long-term math, and understanding that when a stop-loss kicks in it does so in order to prevent a largest loss due to the extremes of the distribution running their whole wrath. All the units you didn't lose due to a timely stop serve the purpose of fueling your overall balance.

There is no difference between an unit won and an unit saved for the long-term average.

[VLS]

...Thinking about it a bit more. People is OK to engage in financial investments and activities with a proven record of % losing, yet when it comes to roulette, a game of chance, they expect to obtain 0% possibility of losing, which directly means that dreaded "100% winner system" or holy grail, that negates the ability for the ball to fall in other numbers but the ones you bet.

WTF!

[Fripper]

Good idea ScoobyDoo!

I like this and I have talked to Victor about this for some time ago. I have looked for many triggers and I have got some hints from Victor.

We know that in 37 spins we should expect atlest some repeaters. (Tell me when you get 37 individual numbers).

We should look for million- and trillion neighbours.

We shall not look at the numbers, we should look at it the physical way.


Good english here..(Not easy to explain)

[albertojonas]

i think often about the event of 37 consecutive spins. and really mean consecutive. Is there any aproach on alternate spins?

when playing online it is easier to find and consider a selected set of 37 spins within the parameters of normal?

What is an average or normal set?
What are the boundaries or intervals?

ex normal would be:

18 reds 18 blacks +-1?

even sector distribution?

get the idea?

what advantage should we take from this evaluation?



Hope to get some of vic's wisdom (and others of course) on this matter.


Cheers,
AL

[ScoobyDoo]

Ok Guys,

Here's the first idea. Track the streets for 13 spins, then start betting the streets that have only one hit. When you have a hit that is in that street but different than  the number already hit, so that street now has two hits, stop betting that street. If you have additional streets with only one hit, add them to the streets you are already betting. Continue this way until you reach the 21st spin and then retrack.

In case you are wondering why only start on the 14th spin and stop on the 21st spin, it's because after a lot of testing, that is where most of the hits have been.

Scooby Doo

[Skakus]

Hello ScoobyDoo.

Iââ,¬â,,¢m new here so I donââ,¬â,,¢t expect much attention being paid to what I say, but I do like to brainstorm, so my suggestion for something to include in a strong method is a short bet duration.  Once the trigger has recognized a bet IMO the bet should last for only a very few spins, perhaps even only 1 or 2.

Then the trigger should call a new bet, which COULD be the same as the last bet but only if the trigger calls it.

I donââ,¬â,,¢t have a lot of confidence in systems that require betting on the same numbers or positions over and over and over again.  Mostly thatââ,¬â,,¢s not how the wheel behaves so why would we?

Of course progressions change everything, but letââ,¬â,,¢s not go there.

[GLC]

Hello ScoobyDoo.

Iââ,¬â,,¢m new here so I donââ,¬â,,¢t expect much attention being paid to what I say, but I do like to brainstorm, so my suggestion for something to include in a strong method is a short bet duration.  Once the trigger has recognized a bet in my opinion the bet should last for only a very few spins, perhaps even only 1 or 2.

Then the trigger should call a new bet, which COULD be the same as the last bet but only if the trigger calls it.

I donââ,¬â,,¢t have a lot of confidence in systems that require betting on the same numbers or positions over and over and over again.  Mostly thatââ,¬â,,¢s not how the wheel behaves so why would we?

Of course progressions change everything, but letââ,¬â,,¢s not go there.

Skakus,

I think that was an excellent post with some good suggestions.

It's obvious that you haven't just started thinking about and playing roulette.

Keep sharing with us.

We can tell when someone has made a suggestion worthy of consideration, which you just did.

And if you say something that turns out to be a little silly, we're very forgiving.  Heck, I've said some things that, looking back, I'm totally embarrassed by.

Cheers,

George

[albalaha]

repeat of the last decision almost happen once in 37 spins.

[F_LAT_INO]

repeat of the last decision almost happen once in 37 spins.

--If that was so,we shouldn't be talking about
roulette any longer here,but making bundles of money
playing it.

[Fripper]

It seems that this thread have died too, I don't like when that happen to a good thread.

Someone have something to add here? Come on guys, we can do better