Clocking the spin

[nottophammer]

When the croupier spins, do you think there is a difference in clockwise spin to ccw spin depending on whether they are right handed or left handed.
Would they push harder oneside more than the other.

General whats your opinion, could one side be softer.

[bigmoney]

i think the clockwise spin is more consistant

[Taotie]

IMO it makes bugger all difference to system players.

Besides, the croupiers I know actually make a point of releasing the ball sometimes harder, sometimes softer, sometimes cw, and sometimes ccw. Apparently it's one of the only things they can do to relieve the boredom and endless repetition of the job.

[Scarface]

They all spin in the same direction at the casino I go to.  Is it normal to switch?

[bigmoney]

the casinos i go to always change direction

[Steve]

Whether left or right handed, many dealers spin consistently enough to achieve an edge. That's just dealer signature, but there are a few levels beyond this. You cant just say blindly left handed dealers are better than right handed dealers. Every dealer is different, and each day the ball travel distance will vary even on the same wheel, with the same ball.

[bigmoney]

thank you for tjose i sights ...im backtesting this ....could b happy days

[Steve]

When I was first introduced to AP, the idea of it seemed fiddly, and I wanted an easier way.

Now when I look back at my earlier systems, I understand I was walking in circles, and cant go back because I understand why those approaches didnt work.

AP is not as complicated or fiddly as you might think. But you cant be pushed into it either. It probably needs to be a natural learning progression thing. AP is simply a study of cause and effect.

For anyone starting with AP, I suggest starting with really basic VB methods. It at least gets you to understand where the edge is coming from. There is a lot more that can be done than basic VB though and you learn as you test.

[Firefox]

Say there is a dominant diamond and the ball travels on average 20 seconds, there's a good chance the ball will come off at that diamond after same revs if the dealer spins consistently. You just have to count and see if this is the case or not.

Consider rotor speed. At 4.2 seconds per rev or 3.8 seconds per rev. Quite typical of a consistent dealer

That's either 8.809 or 9.736 pockets per second, a difference of 0.93 pockets per second. Over 20 seconds that's  18.6 pockets which is over half the wheel. Not good enough for advantage play. A second diamond in the drop zone adds another 9 pockets error.

So if you are predicting this far out, you have to know the rotor speed exactly. Counting will only get you within about 0.2 or 0.3 seconds. I guess some people use a thumper or metronome but even that is subject to error. If it's not an exact number of secs you have to estimate. You're probably still looking at an error of   up to +/- 0.2 secs.

But if you can guarantee the rotor speed to 0.1 on a four second rotor, it's probably good enough for some edge. It's not good enough on a three second rotor. You'd still be looking at half the wheel error.

Most people who play "dealers signature" don't very accurately time the rotor speed or realise the exact influence of the magnitude of rotor speed or are able to compensate,  nor do they watch for a dominant drop zone.

They just mark positions on the card and note offset from last number. That's even assuming dealer spins from previous number which often they don't.

I think it's a random method unless you are extremely observant, have precise timing of rotor speed, and realise exactly what is happening.

Note that if you predict from 6-7 secs out with VB the error due to rotor speed is 1/3 of number of pockets so it's a lot less sensitive.

[The General]

Rather than timing the rotor by rev, I've found that it's much more effective to measure how far the wheel travels in a specific length of time.  Doing so enables me to predict 18 seconds out with no problem.  It also makes RRS systems very exploitable.

No device, no thumper, just a two man vb.

[Firefox]

Rather than timing the rotor by rev, I've found that it's much more effective to measure how far the wheel travels in a specific length of time.

It comes to the same thing, but how are you measuring that specific length of time. Just by counting? I've tried counting but usually +\- 0.2 s over say 4s even with practice.

[The General]

It comes to the same thing, but how are you measuring that specific length of time. Just by counting? I've tried counting but usually +\- 0.2 s over say 4s even with practice.

I would rather explain that part in a PM, email or Skype sometime. 

[Firefox]

No problems. But that is certainly the key.

I have never taken any device into a casino. I know some do but they are super hot on that in UK. Instant ban after the Ritz incident, legal or not.

The best I can do is ABC1 ABC2 .... which gets 200ms accuracy.