Sparks' Vaddis Grail

[buffalowizard]

Good good good..
Playing from first pairs I've noticed better total Bankrolls with (~70)/100 spins than 200 spins.

Ok so original idea but in shorter spells . sounds good

[buffalowizard]

ok i'm looking at this from a different angle, as to how we can be more accurate. I'm going to need a bit of help with this in terms of setting this up in excel as i have no idea where i would start.

If we were to focus on the aspect of balance, i decided to start looking at sections on the table paired with the 37 spin cycle.

if we track the 1st 12 spins and what sections are landed. for example:
21
19
29
36
7
7
16
12
20
2
7
11

In this set of numbers the 24-36 (3rd) section only hits twice.
What if we were to bet on the numbers that hit in this section with their +pairs?
in this case: 29, 30, 36, 35 (i'm not including 0 in this method)

The next numbers that land are:
6     loss -4
34   loss -4
24   loss -4
35 - WIN: +32.   +20 profit

Example 2:
Start tracking 12 spins
16
36
13
2
24
4
30
17
18
31
1
29 - Section 1 (1-12) landed the least with only 3 hits, start betting on landed numbers and pairs: 2,3,4,5,1
27 loss -5
25 loss -5
3 WIN +31.  +21 profit

I noticed this pattern in my testing of the other method in excel so i thought it's worth digging further.

Hoping this makes sense. Will appreciate any thoughts/help on this.

Wiesbaden Table 2. 03.02.19

Just wanted to do a quick test of this to see if its got legs. Lovely first session. Beginners luck?! Any questions just ask. For 4 numbers I bet 9 times and for 6 number bets I go 6 times. Until a 36 unit loss on either. I like it!

18
       14
2       
       36
29       
22       
26       
20       
28       
       5
       3
33                  bet 1,2,3,4,5,6 six times
20       
       25
22       
       1 win +12
13       
       25
       7
   0   
       9
-   -   -
-   -   -
15       
4       
       27
       23
24       
       3
2       
4       bet 25,26,27,28 nine times 
       36
35       
   0   
       25.  Win +32
       30
       25
17       
35       
       27
20       
       32
       12
       14
15       
6       
-   -   -
8.      Bet 6,7,8,9,12,13 six times       
8.    Win +66       
       21
24       
13       
       30
10       
       36
       12
35       
29       
11       
33       
          12.    Bet 14,15,21,22,24,25
4       
22           win +90   
20       
17       
       3
       36
       7
       23
-   -   -
13       
8       
33       
       7
       18
       36.    Bet 33,34,36,0
20       
       36.     Win +122

[Gitano]

Hi guys,
Here some results with real spins from airball spintec with 200 spins sessions (90 seconds between each) and the fantastic Bigbroben's excel file
with max 5  STEPS with 11111   using first pair too. FLAT BET!!!

41 sessions: +813 units

I will test with smaller sessions (100 spins) from same roulette airball.

I am always more and more convinced that need to start bet after a trigger and a loss!!!

[Sparks]

Hi guys,
Here some results with real spins from airball spintec with 200 spins sessions (90 seconds between each) and the fantastic Bigbroben's excel file
with max 5  STEPS with 11111   using first pair too. FLAT BET!!!

41 sessions: +813 units

I will test with smaller sessions (100 spins) from same roulette airball.

I am always more and more convinced that need to start bet after a trigger and a loss!!!

this is great thanks Gitano.

Those drawdowns are horrific unfortunately. quite a few sessions losing over 200.

There must be a way to avoid those big losses somehow...

[Mako]

Gitano, thank you for sharing your results.  Will do some summaries for them in a min.

OK, here's the summary, if I'm correct in what's in your excel file:

8200 total spins

954 total attempts
593 wins (the attempts where a 'win' occurred within 5 steps)
361 losses (the attempts where no hit occurred within 5 steps)

62.16% = your strike rate this session
59.57% = expected strike rate using probability for five total bets on 2/4/6/8/10 numbers at each step.

So the bet selection performed almost +3% better than expected.  Which with 8200 spins can be considered a good start. 

Obviously you'd want to see if that 3% advantage continued on for 20k, 40k, and even 100k worth of spins.  And even then it would still be considered a good start haha, which sucks of course, but that's the deal.

Time consuming for sure, but that's how hard it is to validate whether a bet selection is 'real' (performs above expected) or just lucky. 

Good job, keep it up!  And Sparks, yes, we should all continue to tweak the BS and progression to see if we can beat that short term result, and if so, test it similarly. 

[buffalowizard]

Using BigRobens Excel tracker. Here are sets of 200 spin sessions.

Losses   4
Wins   16
Min   -86
Max   185
End   165


Losses   6
Wins   12
Min   -215
Max   112
End   -112


Losses   5
Wins   13
Min   -161
Max   73
End   48


Losses   2
Wins   19
Min   -40
Max   266
End   266


Losses   2
Wins   18
Min   -37
Max   248
End   246


Losses   3
Wins   17
Min   0
Max   267
End   159


Losses   5
Wins   17
Min   -70
Max   148
End   93


Losses   4
Wins   17
Min   -20
Max   194
End   166


Losses   5
Wins   13
Min   -112
Max   32
End   -74


Losses   3
Wins   16
Min   -76
Max   149
End   127


Losses   2
Wins   19
Min   -17
Max   394
End   320


Losses   2
Wins   20
Min   -6
Max   360
End   353


Losses   6
Wins   15
Min   -117
Max   44
End   -11


Losses   3
Wins   18
Min   -20
Max   217
End   214


Losses   6
Wins   13
Min   -160
Max   100
End   -108


Losses   6
Wins   15
Min   -38
Max   204
End   -4


Losses   6
Wins   13
Min   -178
Max   101
End   -122


Losses   5
Wins   13
Min   -209
Max   10
End   10


Losses   6
Wins   14
Min   -291
Max   0
End   -39


Losses   5
Wins   17
Min   -6
Max   205
End   63


Losses   2
Wins   15
Min   -54
Max   246
End   184


Losses   3
Wins   19
Min   -110
Max   248
End   248


Losses   8
Wins   12
Min   -306
Max   84
End   -252


Losses   6
Wins   14
Min   -58
Max   84
End   -28


Losses   6
Wins   14
Min   -260
Max   0
End   -88


Losses   6
Wins   15
Min   -174
Max   22
End   -24


Losses   3
Wins   18
Min   -18
Max   192
End   192


Losses   6
Wins   14
Min   -175
Max   28
End   -103


Losses   10
Wins   9
Min   -486
Max   76
End   -466


Losses   8
Wins   10
Min   -391
Max   0
End   -289


Losses   6
Wins   11
Min   -297
Max   0
End   -183


Losses   9
Wins   9
Min   -401
Max   0
End   -397


Losses   2
Wins   17
Min   -40
Max   260
End   258


Losses   7
Wins   14
Min   -95
Max   95
End   -95


Losses   8
Wins   9
Min   -343
Max   12
End   -331


Losses   1
Wins   18
Min   -61
Max   373
End   373


Losses   4
Wins   17
Min   -130
Max   184
End   181


Losses   5
Wins   17
Min   -20
Max   204
End   81

[Bigbroben]

Does the file I made corresponds to how you play?  Anything to correct?

What is your nr source?

[buffalowizard]

Yes seems good mate. I used random.org numbers

[Mako]

Does the file I made corresponds to how you play?  Anything to correct?

What is your nr source?

Big Ben, can you extend it to a thousand numbers or more, I have some larger spin sets I’d like to run through it.

Works perfectly btw, as all your sheets do. 

[Mister Eko]

Makao,

I have 3x1 million spins if you wanna test a very big spins sequence. Anyway, can I know that which system do you tested in your excel sheet?

Thanks

[Bigbroben]

Big Ben, can you extend it to a thousand numbers or more, I have some larger spin sets I’d like to run through it.

Works perfectly btw, as all your sheets do. 

Mako,


select some of the last rows including the last one.  See the little black square on the lower left?  Click and drag down until you have enough lines for the use you want.  Select more than one so you will have the spin increase.  All formulas in all the columns will be copied along the drag.

[Mako]

Mako,


select some of the last rows including the last one.  See the little black square on the lower left?  Click and drag down until you have enough lines for the use you want.  Select more than one so you will have the spin increase.  All formulas in all the columns will be copied along the drag.

I actually did that yesterday, usually works, and it did copy the formulas but it didn’t function. I thought there was more to it that I wasn’t aware of. 

Does it only work from the left drag square maybe? I dragged from the right side square on my failed attempt.

[Bigbroben]

There are hidden columns on the far right, up to Column EC.  Maybe you did not select far enough.  You can select from A to EC or just use the left row ID.

[Mako]

There are hidden columns on the far right, up to Column EC.  Maybe you did not select far enough.  You can select from A to EC or just use the left row ID.

Perfect, that was it.