WBG groups

[Twisteruk]

-190 was only on VP

But I tend to agree, its better suited to Online Play imo 

[Kattila]

Personally AT 190  down I would be dumping the system for a new method.

I don't think most people would find this an attractive system in a real casino.

Don't get me wrong katilla I am not saying the system is no good just that it looks a boring method for the aggressive or even average players......

Maybe the online player with tons of patience will like this..

Nothing wrong Kingspin, you are free to speak.
Btw : I am a Online Player with tons of patience...yes
Nobody forces nobody to play this method, don t  even
read if you  don t like this method (FLAT  BET +virtual play +patience= money)
And also I have  systems for * the aggressive players* to.

Cheers

[Kattila]

If someone need this method, here is the complete method , also some
aditional information.

WBG  method  (wheel based groups)

12 numbers/3 groups ,  numbers  0 is out

European wheel

A.    32,15,19,4/36,11,30,8/14,31,9,22
B.    21,2,25,17/23,10,5,24/ 18,29,7,28
C.    34,6,27,13/16,33,1,20/12,35,3,26

American wheel

A.   28,9,30,11,15,3,24,36,19,31,18,6
B.   11,7,20,32,13,1,27,10,21,33,16,4
C.   17,5,22,34,25,29,12,8,23,35,14,2

This groups tend to go in series  like AABBBACCBBBAACCBCCCCCCBAABBBBB
most of the time (not allways), but enough  to  win more than   loss.
Because of the distance between  numbers and groups.

How  to play, and rules :

Bet only flat bet 3 times (1,1,1),  1 euro/$ per number , 12 numbers ( one group)
Also  can start from 0,20  per number, or 0,50.

First   wait   trigger  AA  or BB  or CC, than start   to bet  the last   group spun.
Allways bet  the  last group, so bet the last group  to repeat.
After  three losses  L1, L2, L3  , wait the new  trigger  AA  or BB  or CC, than bet 
the   last group to repeat


When appear  0   stop  game ,   and  wait  new   trigger.
stop-loss  at  -120 euro /$,  my personal stop-loss, you can change it.
Stop  win  when you reached  your target ( +72,  or +120,  or even  +300  or more)
You will  find some freaky sessions , like -84 , -96, or even -120 ( stop-loss, lost session)
but  will win more  sessions  than  loss.

My  HUMAN DECISION  ( tweaks):

First before play, play virtual  and enter game only
when  see the things go good.
Start real play only when  you are up virtual  +24, +36.

For Bad sessions.
When  we see is going down -72,-84(for real), stop and  play virtual,and :
-  if  goes down again Virtual from -72   at -120 or more ,can   End session at -72,  Or :
- if  goes down Virtual  until -120 or more, but than Tend to go up, enter real  play from        that -72, and
  If  still lose  ,we stop at the second stop-lose -120 (real), and if Win  try at least to  stop at  -36, -24, 0.



For Good sessions:
When  we reached +120 ( +150),stop and  start play virtual, but:
-  if  go down virtual , wait until tend to go up ,and Bet again, now if go down
   again stop at +96, +84(+120)  End session.
-  if go up virtual , bet again for real ,now if go up good (stop when you whant, ex.+204),
   but if  after go up virtual  from +120 to ex: +168  ,  start real  play, but  if we lose  from
    +120 real  until +84, +96  , end  session.


Another important thing when we are  playing for real:

When start real , can  start with a lower amount (ex: 0,20  or 0,50 per number)
If  now tend to go up  swich to a higher amount ,1 per number.
If tend to go down  stay on 0,20  until tend again to go up and swich to 1
or 0,50 per number.    Or:
If tend to go down , we even can stop , take the lose (a few units, because we bet 0,20)
and play virtual until tent to go up again, than  bet  1 per number.
Go with the trend, and swich the amount  up and down.

Adicional information:

Now (for not wait/track  long time) I give to all  this  others three set of groups,
which also  works  good ,like the first set of groups (A,B,C).
So finaly the 12 numbers are not  so important,  important is the distance
between the groups.
Also I attach a Excel file, a tracker for each number for each set of groups.



European wheel

First Groups (already know this one)  ,  0 is  out

A.    32,15,19,4/36,11,30,8/14,31,9,22
B.    21,2,25,17/23,10,5,24/ 18,29,7,28
C.    34,6,27,13/16,33,1,20/12,35,3,26


Second Groups
The number 32 is out( the 32 is the 0 in this case)

A.  15,19,4,21/11,30,8,23/31,9,22,18
B.  2,25,17,34/10,5,24,16/29,7,28,12
C.  6,27,13,36/33,1,20,14/35,3,26,0


Third   Groups(number 15 out =  0)

A.  19,4,21,2/30,8,23,10/9,22,18,29
B.  25,17,34,6/5,24,16,33/7,28,12,35
C.  27,13,36,11/1,20,14,31/3,26,0,32


Fourth groups (number 19 out = 0)

A.  4,21,2,25/8,23,10,5/22,18,29,7
B.  17,34,6,27/24,16,33,1/28,12,35,3
C.  13,36,11,30/20,14,31,9/26,0,32,15


Tracking all this together  , after a while you can *see*
which  tend  to go down, and which tend to go  up .
I mean  if you have to wait long time  for  play real
on  one set of groups(ABC),  for sure  at least one from the
others 3 sets of groups  are Qualyfied for  real play, or will
be soon, because become hot(Ex: series AAABBB, or  CCBBB...etc...)
Also can swich from a group which tend to go down ,
to another one which tend to go up (hot group).


Cheers.

[Twisteruk]

Just had another good session with this System Katt 

Played around 90 spins

Used the 4 Group Switch Method and ended up +96

Ive found its sometimes best to Switch even after one L if another Group is streaking, but not always lol ! Like you say we never know whats coming 


Cheers 

[Kattila]

Glad to hear that you still have good results with this system , the true is
I'm not too surprised.     

[Kattila]

Example session using  all rules /tweaks + the amount swich.
This way  reduce  the losses and enter real play when is hot.
Go with the trend .

Only Group 1

4    a   virtual
29  b
34  c
19  a
17  b
13  c
12  c  trigger
33  c  +24 virtual ,start REAL, bet from 0,20/number
33  c  w   +4,8
0    -  L1   +2,4  wait
27  c
24  b
19  a
12  c
11  a
11  a  trigger
8    a  w  +4,8   Tend to go up , so
4    a  w  +7,2   swich to 1 per number
29  b  l1   -4,8
2    b  w  +19,2
32  a  l1  +7,2
35  c  l2  -4,8
11  a  l3   -16,8  wait, Tend to go down so swich to 0,20
26  c 
10  b
1    c
35  c   trigger
13  c  w  -12
8    a  l1  -14,4
31  a  w  -9,6
20  c  l1  -12
23  b  l2  -14,4
11  a  l3  -16,8  wait
34  c
9    a
7    b
35  c
30  a
12  c
8    a
2    b
20  c
11  a
36  a  trigger
28  b  l1  -9,6
26  c  l2  -12
25  b  l3  -14,4  wait
3    c
24  b
9    a
25  b
27  b  trigger
11  a  l1  -16,8
20  c  l2  -19,2
9    a  l3  -21,6  wait , Stop real play, start Virtual
30  a  trigger  , now wait tendency to go up
21  c  l1
32  a  l2
27  c  l3  wait
15  c  trigger
26  c  w
19  a  l1
33  c  l2
18  b  l3  wait
2    b  trigger
14  a  l1
24  b  l2
6    c  l3  wait
34  c  trigger
17  b  l1
22  b  w   
29  b  w  Hot,see CCBBB, Start Real play from that(-21,6) bet 1/number
36  a  l1  -33,6
9    a  w  -9,6
22  a  w  +14,4
8    a  w  +38,4
15  c  l1  +26,4
26  c  w  +50,4
1    c  w  +74,4
25  b  l1  +62,4
6    c  l2  +50,4
15  c  w  +74,4

   Stop real play  at +74,4


Cheers

[Twisteruk]

Ive not played it with MM before, just Flat.

I will play a 4 Group Switch Session later today and use the MM you suggest 

[Twisteruk]

Had a go with progression, didnt go so well. Each time I switched I hit a L most times (happens)

Think I prefer it Flat tbh Katt

But I will try again 2moz 

[Kattila]

Yes, my first advice is play Flat Bet / MM   this method.

But if you want  to play  with progression ,could play  like this:

1.

Wait groups without repeats in the last 7-8 spins,
Ex: BCABCBCA... bet now the last to repeat.

Progresion(not high), start from 0,10 cents :

1.   0,10 x 12                   -1,2            +2,4
2.   0,10 x 12                   -2,4            +1,2
3.   0,20 x 12                   -4,8            +2,4
4.   0,30 x 12                   - 8,4           +2,4
5.   0,40 x 12                   -13,2          +1,2
6.   0,60 x 12                   -20,4          +1,2
7.   1 x 12                        -32,4          +3,6
8.   1,40 x 12                   -49,2          +1,2    stop-loss at   -50
9.   2,20 x12                    - 75,6         +3,6    stop-loss at   -75


2. Wait series like ABCCAABCA , than bet the penultimate group.
Ex:

A
B
C
A
A
B   bet A penultimate
B   lose, bet B penultimate
C   lose , bet B
A   lose ,  bet C
C   win,   wait again
C
B
A
A
B
C  bet B
C  bet C
C  win

Same progression for 12 numbers.


Cheers.

[Kattila]

I still play this method,



Flat bet  WBG swich method/ bet the last to repeat.      
Triggers  aacc, bbaaââ,¬Â¦etcââ,¬Â¦Or aaa, bbb, ccc, Or aaacc, cccbbââ,¬Â¦etcââ,¬Â¦         
At 3 LLLs stop wait new trigger         
Reset / wait new trigger  at new profit around   +10ââ,¬Â¦+20   
stop-loss around   -70(-100)  ,    target  +70...+100.         
Anytime can swich to a hotest group.         

[Kattila]

Another  session (real play yesterday).
Same rules and stop-loss around -70.

Also can play this method with a middle  progression(see above)
bet the last to repeat( can choose  from the four set of groups/track all).

[Kattila]

I still hope someone will  (at least ) test  this method
because I have good results  until now(fun play and  some real play).
I know is not  a  100% mechanical method, and  maybe not a long term
winner , so any help to test  is welcome.  
What really interests me is  if  you guys will have same results, same
good streaks, testing from different casinos.
All groups are on reply 182 this page, also the excel file.

Thanks.

[GLC]

Kattila,

Okay, okay already.
I'm convinced that this is a system worth putting in the time to learn and test with you.

Your spreadsheets look too good to be true.  I'm not saying I think they're fake, since I trust you implicitly.  Just that those are very good wins for so few spins.

Sometimes when a system starts out like yours where you have to create different groups that aren't normal, it causes people to shy away because they feel they will have to invest too much time and then if it bombs, it's frustrating.

Thanks for hanging in there with us and not letting this one die.

Flatbetting is always a plus.  Although having to bet 12 units sometimes doesn't feel like flatbetting.

I will start studying later today and maybe be able to post a test result tonight.

Cheers mate,

George

[Mister Eko]

One of the most underrated method ever created

[poluvolo]

I AGREE 100%...............................