A PROMISING SYSTEM- CHRIS'S RIGHT OF REPLY & ANALYSIS.

[chrisbis]

Im wondering if this same idea, will work for Columns aswell?

Anyone see a reason Y the3 dozens idea of jamesshoffner22162, would not translate directly into

Playing the same system, and progression, (with a variant maybe) on Columns? ?

[Blood Angel]

I have seen a column(Col3 btw) miss 24 times once 

[chrisbis]

Where?

What type of casino/wheel?

[Blood Angel]

It was a live wheel on DublinBet.... but I have never seen a dozen miss that many times..

[GLC]

Dear Chris,

I have taken a few moments to look at this bet system.
It looks to me like just a martingale on the 2:1 bets.
You are betting on all three dozens at the same time.

I don't see any reason why you should bet on all three, it just puts more money on the table at one time.
You could just as easily bet on all three dozens and all three columns at the same time.

Since all it is is a very long marty, it could be used on every bet on the table.
Twisteruk uses such a thing on his "Closest to a Holy Grail" system where he bets an 11 step marty on all three even chances at the same time.  Were he to extend his number of bets on the e.c.s to a comparable ratio that you are using on the 2:1, I don't see why his system wouldn't be just a profitable.

As a matter of fact, you could do this same strategy on the Lines, corners, streets, splits and yes even straight up numbers.  Granted table maximums will come into play.  They always do with marty's.

I don't think betting all three at once adds any profitability to the system other than being able to put more at risk to win at 3 times the rate.  It's the same thing as 3 players playing a different dozen with a marty on the same table.

Am I out in left field, or do you just like this because you can probably play your whole lifetime and never lose 30 times in a row.  On the other hand, it is possible.  Is it worth the risk?

Starting with your penny, and 3 banks of 1036.91 you could play all three dozens and all you need to put at risk is 3,110.73.  There's a good chance that you will never lose 30 in a row on any of the dozens.

It is a gamble, but that's what we're doing here?

Just my take on it.

Too rich for my blood.

George

[chrisbis]

George, thank you for most insightful take on this thing we call love.

I see where U are coming from, but there is something strange about how the progression on the other two dozens moves with U along the path of spins.

Its like the other dozens are lying in wait for the next move of the wheel/RNG, and "mop" up the residue before U have chance to say, 'Jiminy Cricket'.

I do have to say I like it.

I want it to be tested seriously, but it looks like the forum has given it a wide birth, and shunned the idea.

I know that dozens sleep, and the 30 level progression steps are a little steep for some, for me even, but there's merit in it to be looked at at least for a while.

And see how it performs on the Columns too.

I wonder what James Is thinking right now about this little fuse he has lit?

How are me Ducks on the Pond doing G?

Need some bread?

[chrisbis]

@ George.

I want to also say for the record, that I don't think it would ever come near to being-

3 x 1036.91 because all three dozens will have completely different values during the

progression run, and if U real think about it, one of the dozens, will always be at 1 unit
value, cause (after taking my Green Goblin Zero hero into consideration) there will always be a Dozen that hitting.

Like wise for the Columns if playing either one or the other, or as U eluded to, one could play both EC's (Dozens AND Columns) at the same time, with their own progression ratio levels and monitoring.

[ego]

I have seen a column(Col3 by the way) miss 24 times once 

On Turbos site it is 32 if i remeber it correct.

[esoito]

These 'ere skips/sleeps...  

Here're my analyses of almost 16 000 spins from DublinBet.

The tables are in this order: Dozen 1, Dozen 2, Dozen 3

SUMMARY OF SKIPS
TOTAL FOR SKIP  0: 1608 [zero means it won on the next spin, of course]
TOTAL FOR SKIP  1: 4358
TOTAL FOR SKIP  2: 2942
TOTAL FOR SKIP  3: 1985
TOTAL FOR SKIP  4: 1407
TOTAL FOR SKIP  5: 950
TOTAL FOR SKIP  6: 695
TOTAL FOR SKIP  7: 449
TOTAL FOR SKIP  8: 353
TOTAL FOR SKIP  9: 353
TOTAL FOR SKIP  10: 179
TOTAL FOR SKIP  11: 151
TOTAL FOR SKIP  12: 114
TOTAL FOR SKIP  13: 102
TOTAL FOR SKIP  14: 96
TOTAL FOR SKIP  15: 78
TOTAL FOR SKIP  16: 67
TOTAL FOR SKIP  17: 56
TOTAL FOR SKIP  18: 54
TOTAL FOR SKIP  19: 42
TOTAL FOR SKIP  20: 22
TOTAL FOR SKIP  21: 17
TOTAL FOR SKIP  22: 16
TOTAL FOR SKIP  23: 9
TOTAL FOR SKIP  24: 4
TOTAL FOR SKIP  25: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  26: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  27: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  28: 3
TOTAL FOR SKIP  29: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  30: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  31: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  32: 0
TOTAL FOR SKIP  33: 0
TOTAL FOR SKIP  34: 0
TOTAL FOR SKIP  35: 0
TOTAL FOR SKIP  36: 0
===============

SUMMARY OF SKIPS
TOTAL FOR SKIP  0: 1606
TOTAL FOR SKIP  1: 4343
TOTAL FOR SKIP  2: 2909
TOTAL FOR SKIP  3: 1975
TOTAL FOR SKIP  4: 1402
TOTAL FOR SKIP  5: 977
TOTAL FOR SKIP  6: 665
TOTAL FOR SKIP  7: 460
TOTAL FOR SKIP  8: 355
TOTAL FOR SKIP  9: 355
TOTAL FOR SKIP  10: 204
TOTAL FOR SKIP  11: 155
TOTAL FOR SKIP  12: 127
TOTAL FOR SKIP  13: 93
TOTAL FOR SKIP  14: 87
TOTAL FOR SKIP  15: 66
TOTAL FOR SKIP  16: 58
TOTAL FOR SKIP  17: 56
TOTAL FOR SKIP  18: 42
TOTAL FOR SKIP  19: 33
TOTAL FOR SKIP  20: 37
TOTAL FOR SKIP  21: 21
TOTAL FOR SKIP  22: 18
TOTAL FOR SKIP  23: 11
TOTAL FOR SKIP  24: 6
TOTAL FOR SKIP  25: 5
TOTAL FOR SKIP  26: 4
TOTAL FOR SKIP  27: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  28: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  29: 3
TOTAL FOR SKIP  30: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  31: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  32: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  33: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  34: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  35: 1
TOTAL FOR SKIP  36: 1
==============

SUMMARY OF SKIPS
TOTAL FOR SKIP  0: 1538
TOTAL FOR SKIP  1: 4345
TOTAL FOR SKIP  2: 2947
TOTAL FOR SKIP  3: 1945
TOTAL FOR SKIP  4: 1390
TOTAL FOR SKIP  5: 976
TOTAL FOR SKIP  6: 705
TOTAL FOR SKIP  7: 471
TOTAL FOR SKIP  8: 320
TOTAL FOR SKIP  9: 320
TOTAL FOR SKIP  10: 210
TOTAL FOR SKIP  11: 146
TOTAL FOR SKIP  12: 127
TOTAL FOR SKIP  13: 95
TOTAL FOR SKIP  14: 88
TOTAL FOR SKIP  15: 73
TOTAL FOR SKIP  16: 57
TOTAL FOR SKIP  17: 48
TOTAL FOR SKIP  18: 46
TOTAL FOR SKIP  19: 45
TOTAL FOR SKIP  20: 41
TOTAL FOR SKIP  21: 28
TOTAL FOR SKIP  22: 15
TOTAL FOR SKIP  23: 16
TOTAL FOR SKIP  24: 10
TOTAL FOR SKIP  25: 10
TOTAL FOR SKIP  26: 12
TOTAL FOR SKIP  27: 10
TOTAL FOR SKIP  28: 6
TOTAL FOR SKIP  29: 6
TOTAL FOR SKIP  30: 7
TOTAL FOR SKIP  31: 8
TOTAL FOR SKIP  32: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  33: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  34: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  35: 2
TOTAL FOR SKIP  36: 3

[flukey luke]

They are pretty revealing statistics esoito,

What's striking is the skips from 24 to 36 on the 1st dozen (a combined total of 17)

and

The combined total of skips from 24 to 36 on the 3rd dozen = 80. A difference of 63! 

It would be interesting to see if this held up after a few more large samples.

thanks for the data.

[esoito]

You're very welcome, flukey.

I appreciate your thanks. Writing the program sure had its moments 'cos I don't find coding at all easy!

May the stats help line your pocket 

As for a larger sample -- I now have 700 000 spins from Wiesbaden, gathered over a 5-year period.

That'll be interesting...

[GLC]

@ George.

I want to also say for the record, that I don't think it would ever come near to being-

3 x 1036.91 because all three dozens will have completely different values during the

progression run, and if you real think about it, one of the dozens, will always be at 1 unit
value, cause (after taking my Green Goblin Zero hero into consideration) there will always be a Dozen that hitting.

Like wise for the Columns if playing either one or the other, or as you eluded to, one could play both EC's (Dozens AND Columns) at the same time, with their own progression ratio levels and monitoring.

Hey Chris, 

I'll remind you of the system called harvesting the zero.  It's one of my favorites.  Sounds like a crazy idea, but if you have a large enough bank it's almost infallible.

In case you can't remember it:  You  play all 3 dozens betting differentially.  On a win you reduce the bet on the winning dozen by 2 units and add 1 unit to the 2 that lost.  You always bet 1 unit on the zero.  The idea is that you're winning a little on the dozens and then when a zero hits, you rake in the bucks.  A few Zeros close together can send you out the door with a pocket full of money.

Also, my system REH vs BOL posted in Notepad is a system that bets differentially on all three e.c.s and I've had excellent results with it betting a 6 step marty, but reset all to 1 when at a new high.  BTW it's the system I play most at the local Indian casino here in town and I've never lost a real session playing it.  I don't know if it's an imperfection in the airball machine like Flatino's or what.

I like differential betting, but your not betting differentially, although you should.  It will save a few bucks when the zero does hit.

As far as the stats re: how many times a dozen can sleep.  A system that resets on all 3 when a new high is reached, can miss a lot of those losses because you may reset a couple of times before the sleeping dozen starts getting into high enough numbers that the other 2 can't counterbalance it.

Just random thoughts.  Maybe something will make sense to you, I'm not sure it does to me.

George