Just testing- please ignore my workings out.

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Test page 1.
Table laid out in the same way in which U bet on the Felt/casino-:
The Quantity of the bet Ur on, (Dozen Side
The Dozens, (Dozen Side)
The Total of the stake bet,
The Actual Number result from the wheel/marque,
The Profit or Loss,
The Bankroll,
The Quantity of the bet Ur on, (Column Side)
The Level, (Column Side)
The Columns

These spin numbers from Spielbank Wiesbaden table 2, 23rd Aug 2010/Permanenzen.

[table=,]
bet,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
0,-,0,0,0,0,-,-,1000,0,-,0,0,0
1,1,1,1*,1,3,#20,-,1000,1,1,-,-*,-
2,1,1,1*,1,3,#14,-,1000,2,1,-,-*,-
3,2,2,1,2*,5,#25,+1,1001,3,2,-*,-,-
4,3,3,2,1*,6,#35,-3,998,4,3,-,-*,-
5,4,4,3,1*,8,#32,-5,993,5,4,-,-*,-
6,6,6*,4,1,11,#8,+7,1000,6,6,-,-*,-
7,6,1,6*,2,9,#13,+9,1009,7,6,-*,-,-
8,3,2,1*,3,6,#22,-3,1006,8,3,-*,-,-
9,4,3,1,4,8,#19,-5,1001,9,4,-*,-,-
10,6,4,1,6,11,#32,+7,1008,10,6,-,-*,-
[/table]

Please notice from these first 10 spins/data, that the 3rd Column is asleep.!   (For U George)

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These spin numbers from Spielbank Wiesbaden table 2, 23rd Aug 2010/Permanenzen.

(*denotes spin result)

[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet/spin,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
0,-,0,0,0,0,-,-,1000,0,-,0,0,0
1,1,1,1*,1,3,#20,-,1000,1,1,-,-*,-
2,1,1,1*,1,3,#14,-,1000,2,1,-,-*,-
3,2,2,1,2*,5,#25,+1,1001,3,2,-*,-,-
4,3,3,2,1*,6,#35,-3,998,4,3,-,-*,-
5,4,4,3,1*,8,#32,-5,993,5,4,-,-*,-
6,6,6*,4,1,11,#8,+7,1000,6,6,-,-*,-
7,6,1,6*,2,9,#13,+9,1009,7,6,-*,-,-
8,3,2,1*,3,6,#22,-3,1006,8,3,-*,-,-
9,4,3,1*,4,8,#19,-5,1001,9,4,-*,-,-
10,6,4,1,6*,11,#32,+7,1008,10,6,-,-*,-
11,6,6,2*,1,9,#22,-3,1005,11,6,-*,-,-
12,9,9*,1,2,12,#5,+15,1020,12,9,-,-*,-
13,3,1*,2,3,6,#23,-3,1017,13,3,-,-*,-
14,4,1*,3,4,8,#9,-5,1012,14,4,-,-,-*   Awake.
15,6,1,4,6,11,#34,+7,1019,15,6,-*,-,-
16,6,2,6,1,9,#8,-3,1016,16,6,-,-*,-
17,9,1*,9,2,12,#8,-9,1007,17,9,-,-*,-
18,14,-,-,-*,18,#34,-15,992,18,14,1*,14,3
19,21,-,-*,-,26,#14,+37,1029,19,21,1,21*,4
20,6,-,-*,-,9,#18,+9,1038,20,6,2,1,6*
21,3,-,-*,-,6,#16,+3,1041,21,3,3*,2,1
[/table]

Notice here-change to Column stake/bet sequence on bet Number 18,
after the 3rd Column had woken up from its little slumber.
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The bet would have won anyway in the Dozens, but its just to illustrate the option/movement.

After 21 spins, the cycle is Up +41 units/$ with new BR 1041.

In this testing session, I have not rotated the phase shift sequence in any way, but the obvious rotation options are- Phase Shift Left or Phase Shift Right.

Here's an example.

Say on the above table we are at bet number 18.

The previous bet was:-

[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet/spin,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
17,9,1*,9,2,12,#8,-9,1007,
[/table]
Which shows Us the BR is slipping due to the 2nd dozen sleeping for 6 bets.
I then move, (Directly- no Phase Shift) over to the Columns as thus:-


[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet/spin,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
17,9,1*,9,2,12,#8,-9,1007,
18,-,-,-,-*,18,#34,-15,992,18,14,1*,14,3
[/table]
Which actually lost, since the spin result was in the 1st Column.

But lets say I had moved, and Phase-Shifted the next progression on the Columns, One movement to the left, then this would have been the result:-

[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet/spin,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
17,9,1*,9,2,12,#8,-9,1007,
18,-,-,-,-*,18,#34,+24,1016,18,14,14*,3,1
[/table]

So the progression has recovered the slide on the BR, earlier than in the original table,
tho since at only level 14 (progression level), it has returned with a smaller profit.

If I had moved, and Phase-Shifted to the right, ie. with the 14 units sitting on the 3rd Column, the recovery would not have happened till bet number 20, using a level 31, since the 3rd Column is still a little sleepy.

A reminder of the progression I am using:-
1
2
3
4
6
9
14
21
31
47
70
105
158
237
355
533
(then there are some scary numbers!!!)

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Continuing With My Results Analysis of these Spins.
These spin numbers from Spielbank Wiesbaden table 2, 23rd Aug 2010/Permanenzen.

[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet/spin,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
0,-,0,0,0,0,-,-,1000,0,-,0,0,0
1,1,1,1*,1,3,#20,-,1000,1,1,-,-*,-
2,1,1,1*,1,3,#14,-,1000,2,1,-,-*,-
3,2,2,1,2*,5,#25,+1,1001,3,2,-*,-,-
4,3,3,2,1*,6,#35,-3,998,4,3,-,-*,-
5,4,4,3,1*,8,#32,-5,993,5,4,-,-*,-
6,6,6*,4,1,11,#8,+7,1000,6,6,-,-*,-
7,6,1,6*,2,9,#13,+9,1009,7,6,-*,-,-
8,3,2,1*,3,6,#22,-3,1006,8,3,-*,-,-
9,4,3,1*,4,8,#19,-5,1001,9,4,-*,-,-
10,6,4,1,6*,11,#32,+7,1008,10,6,-,-*,-
11,6,6,2*,1,9,#22,-3,1005,11,6,-*,-,-
12,9,9*,1,2,12,#5,+15,1020,12,9,-,-*,-
13,3,1*,2,3,6,#23,-3,1017,13,3,-,-*,-
14,4,1*,3,4,8,#9,-5,1012,14,4,-,-,-*   Awake.
15,6,1,4,6,11,#34,+7,1019,15,6,-*,-,-
16,6,2,6,1,9,#8,-3,1016,16,6,-,-*,-
17,9,1*,9,2,12,#8,-9,1007,17,9,-,-*,-
18,14,-,-,-*,18,#34,-15,992,18,14,1*,14,3
19,21,-,-*,-,26,#14,+37,1029,19,21,1,21*,4
20,6,-,-*,-,9,#18,+9,1038,20,6,2,1,6*
21,3,-,-*,-,6,#16,+3,1041,21,3,3*,2,1
22,3,1,3*,2,6,#13,+3,1044,22,3,-*,-,-
23,3,2,1,3*,6,#29,+3,1047,23,3,-,-*,-
24,3,3,2*,1,6,#23,-,1047,24,3,-,-*,-
25,4,4,1*,2,7,#15,-4,1043,25,4,-,-,-*
26,6,6*,1,3,10,#4,+8,1051,26,6,-*,-,-
27,4,1*,2,4,7,#11,-4,1047,27,4,-,-*,-
28,6,1,3,6*,10,#36,+8,1055,28,6,-,-,-*
29,4,2,4,1*,7,#33,-4,1051,29,4,-,-,-*
30,6,3,6,1,10,#3,-1,1050,30,6,-,-,-*
[/table]
(Note 3rd Column is now Hot, 2nd Dozen is having 40 winks)

After 30 Spins, the cycle is up +50 units/$ with new BR 1050

Summary.

• This Progression Order Routine takes now truck with repeaters, in fact unless the spun number repeats after a couple of numbers- the BR will slide downwards with consecutive repeaters.
• This Routine works with Dozens and Columns.
• As yet, Zero has not shown, tho I can see him appearing further down the page of Spins.
• The Routine wins the most money when its in progression recover mode
• Moving the sequence over to the Columns from the Dozens is easily plausible
• Movement and Phase Shift (Left or Right) could well help combat sleeping Dozens/Columns
• At the moment, its winning

[esoito]

A reminder of the progression I am using:-
1
2
3
4
6
9
14
21
31
47
70
105
158
237
355
533
(then there are some scary numbers!!!)



(That hissing you can hear is me on oxygen...)

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A reminder of a Sleeping Column.

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3 Dozen Spiral Movement- Testing

Morning all.

Today I going to test a idea I had overnight- an awake dream I had.

Since the "Routine" sequence of using ALL 3 Dozens at the same time, is causing consternation within the Forum for some members, due to the very real fear of Sleepers.

This is an attempt to combat that possibility.

The Premise today is this:-
when playing ALL 3 dozens at the same time, the progression could fall foul of a Dozen going to sleep at any moment, and for a duration greater than 30 spins consecutively.

Such a deep slumber, would inevitably result in a gradual loss of bank roll, since the Fibo progression  currently used with the 3 Dozen "Routine" sequence, is a relatively steep ramp taking the Start Base of 1 motoring up the progression hill to a summit of 103,691 in just 30 levels.

Here, without a correction/anti-sleep strategy in place, the Sleeping Dozen would happily snooze away, sucking in BR as is purrs.

So here's an idea.
Since the profit in 3 Dozens "Routine" sequence is gleaned when advanced "Progressed", Dozen(s) hit, (are hit by the table results- remember this is a table game, not a wheel game)
then the sooner a "Progressed" dozen hits, the better.

In order to attain this status of winning/profit;, on each bet we "Move" the bet along one notch at a time, thus;-

• 1st Dozen bet-moves to 2nd Doz
• 2nd Dozen bet-moves to 3rd Doz
• 3rd Dozen bet-moves to 1st Doz.

I'm going to call that a Right Hand Rotation Shift of the bet/progressions.

Why should this work I here U all asking?-- well,

the 3 Dozen "Routine" sequence wins by "pushing" the progression in the face of the result, and is not particular in having to wait for an event to occur.

Lets compare.

If U have a EC bet on lets say RED, and unless Ur really good at reading Trends/Chops/Streaks or even Randomness itself, Ur wholly dependant on RED being the outcome/result to win 1:1 return.

This would be the same for the other 5 EC (1:1 return)- BLACK, ODD/EVEN, HIGH/LOW

Now then, with the 3 Dozen "Routine" sequence, apart from a obvious fall into the pit of the Ugly Zero Green Goblin, Ur outcome from the dozen coverage is assured of the result landing on One of the Dozens, cause they are all covered.

A Example of how the Spiral Movement would/could work.

These spin numbers from Spielbank Wiesbaden table 2, 23rd Aug 2010/Permanenzen.
(This Table number One, from my original posting )
[table=,]
bet,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR,bet,level,1st Col,2nd Col,3rd Col
0,-,0,0,0,0,-,-,1000,0,-,0,0,0
1,1,1,1*,1,3,#20,-,1000,1,1,-,-*,-
2,1,1,1*,1,3,#14,-,1000,2,1,-,-*,-
3,2,2,1,2*,5,#25,+1,1001,3,2,-*,-,-
4,3,3,2,1*,6,#35,-3,998,4,3,-,-*,-
5,4,4,3,1*,8,#32,-5,993,5,4,-,-*,-
6,6,6*,4,1,11,#8,+7,1000,6,6,-,-*,-
7,6,1,6*,2,9,#13,+9,1009,7,6,-*,-,-
8,3,2,1*,3,6,#22,-3,1006,8,3,-*,-,-
9,4,3,1*,4,8,#19,-5,1001,9,4,-*,-,-
10,6,4,1,6*,11,#32,+7,1008,10,6,-,-*,-
[/table]

(Note-wagering equals=70)

This second Table, will have Spiral Movement built into the bet/spin.
[table=,]
bet,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR, Notes
0,0,0,0,-,-,1000
1,1,1,1*,1,3,#20,-,1000
2,1,1,1*,1,3,#14,-,1000
3,2,2,1,2*,5,#25,+1,1001
4,3,1,3,2*,6,#35,0,1001, Progression moved one Doz to Right
5,4,1,2,4*,6,#32,+6,1007, Progression moved one Doz to Right
6,6,1*,2,3,6,#8,-3,1004, Progression moved one Doz to Right
7,6,4,1*,3,8,#13,-5,999, Progression moved one Doz to Right
8,3,4,6*,1,11,#22,+9,1008, Progression moved one Doz to Right
9,4,2,6*,1,9,#19,+9,1017, Progression moved one Doz to Right
10,6,2,3,1*,6,#32,-3,1014, Progression moved one Doz to Right
[/table]

(Note- Wagering equals=63 in these 10 spins)

This second Table with Spiral Movement of the bet/progression one Doz to the right after bet/spin 3 now results in Profit at 14 units compared with 8 units in the original Table one above.
Also wagering value has gone down slightly, which means at this early stage in the game session, less draw on the Bank Roll.

Its just an Idea.

Needs Lots of Testing.

Of course, one could Spiral Move right Hand, or Left Hand at any time, and it could be on every bet/spin after a certain starting position, or switched on and off according to the conditions of the results, and the wagering values on the Dozen progressions.

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My original label of "Phase- Shift" right/left is the similar to my latest
"Spiral Movement".

I'll post up a drawing to illustrate.

In "Phase-Shift", the bet has been taken/moved from
the Dozens and placed instead on the Columns,
and indexed one Column over. ie.:-

• 1st Dozen bet moves to 2nd Column. (Phase-Shift right)
• 2nd Dozen bet moves to 3rd Column. (Phase-Shift right)
• 3rd Dozen bet moves to 1st Column. (Phase-Shift right)

In the "Spiral Movement", its the continued rotation of the bet within one of EC's either Dozens OR Columns, that is occurring.

The bet is moved on each bet/spin to the next Dozen Or Column, and it Spirals around and around THAT Zone.
The Spiral could be Left Handed OR Right handed. (edit-or combinations!)

We could have other movements too like this:-
There are classically 6 possible outcomes
1. the original order, 1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen 3rd Dozen (1,2,3)
2.

• 1st Dozen bet stays put- no move
• 2nd Dozen bet moved to 3rd Dozen
• 3rd Dozen bet moved to 2nd Dozen

3.

• 1st Dozen bet moved to 2nd Dozen
• 2nd Dozen bet moved to 1st Dozen
• 3rd Dozen bet stays put- no move

4.

• 1st Dozen bet moved to 2nd Dozen
• 2nd Dozen bet moved to 3rd dozen
• 3rd Dozen bet moved to 1st Dozen

5.

• 1st Dozen bet moved to 3rd Dozen
• 2nd Dozen bet moved to 1st Dozen
• 3rd Dozen bet moved to 2nd Dozen

6.

• 1st Dozen bet moved to 3rd Dozen
• 2nd Dozen bet stays put- no move
• 3rd Dozen bet moved to 1st Dozen

The summary gives the following notation:-

1.=1,2,3 (as originally on the table)
2.=1,3,2
3.=2,1,3
4.=3,1,2
5.=2,3,1
6.=3,2,1

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On with the Testing of the Spin Data as supplied from Spielbank Wiesbaden
-picking up from bet/spin 30 (ignoring Columns for now- nor Spiralling, just straight results)

(*denotes spin result)
[table=,]
bet/spin,level,1st Doz,2nd Doz,3rd Doz,T$,#Spun,+/-,BR
0,-,0,0,0,0,-,-,1000
-
30,6,3*,6,1,10,#3,-1,1050
31,9,1,9*,2,12,#22,+25,1075- WOW!
32,3,2,1,3*,6,#30,+3,1078
33,3,3,2,1*,6,#36,-3,1075
34,4,4*,3,1,8,#9,+3,1078
35,4,1*,4,2,7,#6,-3,1075
36,6,1,6*,3,10,#24,+8,1083
37,4,2,1*,4,7,#24,-4,1079
38,6,3,1,6,10,#0,-10,1069
39,9,4,2*,9,15,#16,-9,1060
40,14,6,1,14*,21,#26,+21,1081
41,9,9,2*,1,12,#24,-6,1075
42,14,14*,1,2,17,#1,+25,1100
43,3,1,2*,3,6,#14,0,1100
44,4,2,1,4*,7,#26,+5,1105
45,3,3,2,1*,6,#25,-3,1102 Anywhere here could have been a good stop position.
46,4,4,3,1*,8,#27,-5,1097
47,6,6*,4,1,11,#11,+7,1104
48,6,1,6,2,9,#0,-9,1095
49,9,2*,9,3,14,#5,-8,1087
50,14,1*,14,4,19,#5,-16,1071
51,21,1*,21,6,28,#9,-25,1046
52,31,1,31,9*,41,#25,-14,1032
53,47,2,47,1*,50,#32,-47,985
54,70,3,70,1*,74,#32,-71,914
55,105,4*,105,1,110,#12,-98,816
56,158,1,158,2*,161,#26,-155,661
57,237,2*,237,1,240,#10,-234,427
58,355,1,355,2*,358,#28,-352,75
59,533,2,533*,1,536,#15,+1063,1138
60,3,3,1*,2,6,#17,-3,1135
[/table]

Important Note:- This would have been a Real Time Failure,
At the end of bet/spin 58, the Bank Roll is too small to place the next progression bet-
(2nd Dozen- 533 units)
Since the next bet/spin results in recovery,
this test indicates clearly that the 1000 unit
Bank Roll is not nearly high enough to cope
with the draw-downs using this method

Real situation would have been End Bank Roll= 75 units (-925 unit Loss)

On the next test, using the same test data, I will use the BR suggested by James- and set it to Ã,£3000 (3000 units) and continue bet/spins onto 100 casino number.

Cheers all- 1st failure.