My EC Experiment

[atlantis]

Today tested an EC system with real spins from Wiesbaden for Table 3 on each day of the month of May 2010.

[table=,]
May, Profit, Spins, Drawdown, Highest Bet, Session High
2,+10,100,11,6,+15
3,+10,100,8,4,+10
4,+5,100,12,6,+5
5,+19,100,4,4,+21
6,-11,79,24,6,+13
7,+12,100,4,4,+12
8,+3,100,15,6,+12
9,+16,100,9,6,+16
10,+7,100,8,4,+11
11,+10,100,8,4,+10
12,+9,100,8,4,+11
13,+8,100,8,4,+10
14,-24,41,24,6,+0
15,+11,100,2,2,+11
16,-1,100,18,6,+11
17,+13,100,8,4,+13
18,-18,41,18,6,+0
19,+6,100,12,6,+6
20,-11,68,12,6,+13
21,+17,100,17,6,+17
22,-23,66,24,6,+1
23,+6,100,12,6,+8
24,+7,100,8,4,+8
25,+14,100,8,4,+14
26,-11,86,17,6,+6
27,+20,100,4,4,+20
28,+4,100,12,6,+10
29,+2,100,12,6,+6
30,+7,100,12,6,+7
31,-19,15,21,6,+2
[/table]

Total Wins=216
Total Loss=118
Profit = +98
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There were 7 losing sessions, 6 of which were terminated due to a stop/loss rule.
Highest bet never greater than 6 units. Maximum drawdown never greater than 24.
Worst losing session -24.

What would you make of these results? I have an idea to possibly make them better..
Just wondering if worth continuing.

**UPDATE Ok. Here are same sessions with a slight revision:

[table=,]
May, Profit, Spins, Drawdown, Highest Bet, Session High
2,+3,100,8,4,+7
3,+4,100,4,4,+4
4,+10,100,8,4,+10
5,+2,100,10,6,+2
6,+8,100,10,6,+8
7,+4,100,2,2,+4
8,+10,100,10,6,+10
9,+9,100,5,4,+9
10,+8,100,4,4,+8
11,+0,100,2,2,+0
12,+2,100,4,4,+2
13,+5,100,2,2,+5
14,-6,100,18,6,+6
15,+8,100,2,2,+8
16,+6,100,0,2,+6
17,+5,100,4,4,+5
18,+4,100,0,2,+4
19,+2,100,8,4,+2
20,-16,69,24,6,+8
21,+8,100,4,4,+8
22,-20,67,24,6,+4
23,+2,106,8,4,+2
24,+4,100,4,4,+4
25,+1,100,15,6,+10
26,-12,100,18,6,+0
27,+8,100,2,2,+8
28,+10,100,4,4,+10
29,+2,105,8,4,+2
30,+8,100,4,4,+8
31,+2,119,20,6,+2
[/table]

Total Wins=135
Total Loss=54
Profit= +81
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There were 4 losing sessions, 2 of which were terminated due to a stop/loss rule.
Highest bet never greater than 6 units. Maximum drawdown never greater than 24.
Worst losing session -20.


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[VLS]

Thanks atlantis.

Is that system published?

[Jordan]

Are u gonna publish it or u just wana make us feel bad?

[Blood Angel]

Hi Atlantis
Very nice results...would be interested to see what this is...

[atlantis]

Is that system published?

@VLS,
I have not seen it published before as I recall... It is something *quite simple* that popped into my mind last night.

@Jordan,
Sure I will post the details. I honestly don't think many will be interested to play fairly long sessions for what could turn out to be a small gain or a moderate loss... I'm too tired right now, but will write it up for tomorrow.

@Blood Angel
It is based on "trigger events" on EC. There's a small progression involved - but the bet seems to have good strike rate within this. You can see from the first chart session high that you could exit a lot of sessions sooner than the 100 spins with a smaller profit... while in the second chart revision there are less losers, is more safer and still a good profit achieved. Requires patience and tracking and careful play.
Bear in mind we're only talking about 3000 spins here. Might not be a good enough test .


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[warrior]

@VLS,
I have not seen it published before as I recall... It is something *quite simple* that popped into my mind last night.

@Jordan,
Sure I will post the details. I honestly don't think many will be interested to play fairly long sessions for what could turn out to be a small gain or a moderate loss... I'm too tired right now, but will write it up for tomorrow.

@Blood Angel
It is based on "trigger events" on EC. There's a small progression involved - but the bet seems to have good strike rate within this. You can see from the first chart session high that you could exit a lot of sessions sooner than the 100 spins with a smaller profit... while in the second chart revision there are less losers, is more safer and still a good profit achieved. Requires patience and tracking and careful play.
Bear in mind we're only talking about 3000 spins here. Might not be a good enough test .


A.

looking forward to the stratagie  WARRIOR

[Blood Angel]

@You can see from the first chart session high that you could exit a lot of sessions sooner than the 100 spins with a smaller profit... while in the second chart revision there are less losers, is more safer and still a good profit achieved.

Many small winning sessions = large overall profit.Too many people try to spank the casino IMO



Bear in mind we're only talking about 3000 spins here. Might not be a good enough test .

But its a very good place to start!

[kawa4711]

Hi, Atlantis,
first I want to thank you for sharing your excellent ideas with us.
At the moment I play your : elastic lines variation with good results.

So I am curious about your new "EC Experiment"

Sure I will post the details.  I honestly don't think many will be interested to play fairly long sessions for what could turn out to be a small gain or a moderate loss. . .  I'm too tired right now, but will write it up for tomorrow.

For me its not so important to earn a lot of chips within short sessions, when there is a poor hitrate,, there could be some few chips in longer sessions, if the hit rate is good.
If i can choose to earn 2 chips within 50 or 100 spins with a good hitrate or win 20 chips within 20 spins with a bad hit rate I would prefer the 2 chips (this chips could be with a higher value).

So I thank you again , with best regards
kawa4711

[Jordan]

thanks atlantis...we are waiting

[atlantis]

First of all I play on single 0 with "le partage" rule and am testing with real table numbers.

I said it is quite a simple system and it is.

In both charts, I tracked the EC combo's R/O, B/O, R/E and B/E.

In the case of the first chart I tracked these combinations until I see both elements of the combo have missed AT LEAST twice each.
eg: red has missed twice; odd has missed twice (2-2) - that is the minimum requirement. In practice you will come across situations where it is 5-2, 7-2, 2-6 and so on. This is the TRIGGER to start betting on that particular combo.

In the case of the second chart I tracked the same combo's until I saw that both elements of the combo have missed AT LEAST three times each.
eg: red has slept for three spins; even has missed three times also (3-3) - that is the minimum requirement. In practice you will come across situations where it is 5-3, 7-3, 3-6 and so on. This is the TRIGGER to start betting on that particular combo.

I am betting both qualifying EC's continuously until they BOTH hit which is the signal for me to STOP betting, OR until the progression has ended (STOP/LOSS rule!)

When betting I always stuck to the same combo that qualified. I didn't change at all.

A situation which happens often is that one side will win and the other half of the bet will lose. These types of outcomes are regarded as a "no-bet" or a "neutral" bet as they produce a level result which makes no difference overall. These bet results are simply ignored and are NOT counted as valid steps in the progression.

Hopefully I will soon get a double win and when that happens I stop betting and assess my current bank, calculate the size of my next bet, or reset the progression to 1 if I am level or ahead of my current highest profit figure. Then I continue tracking and wait for the next trigger signal. It seems safer to play as per chart 2 with the 3-3 minimum trigger...
Raising the trigger higher to maybe 4-3 could also be tried, I suppose.

IMPORTANT: the tracking must be careful and always kept up to date

The progression I am using is the "2up-2down" progression which I reproduce for your information here:

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The 2 up - 2 down progression
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(a simple progression for small to medium bankrolls)
This is suitable for the Even Money bets in Roulette and could also be used for Mini-Bac.
You commence with a 1 unit bet and you continue betting 1 unit until you lose 2 consecutive bets.
When this happens you increase your bet to 2 units and continue to bet 2 units until you
a) win 2 consecutive bets at which point you reduce your next bet to 1 unit
b) lose 2 consecutive bets which means you increase your next bet to 3 units.

The progression is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - if you reach 5 you should restart at 1 or you can continue 6, 8, 10.
Just remember you go up to the next number after 2 consecutive losses and you go down one step to the next lowest number after 2 consecutive wins.

For example: if you win 2 consecutive bets of 4 units each your next bet would be 3 units.
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The exceptions I made is:
I only go to stage 3 and STOP if I lose twice in a row @3. I do not restart - it is END OF SESSION.

If I get level to my highest recorded profit then I reset to the starting bet of 1. Also when I am close to recovery; if I don't need to bet the full amount of units that the system says, then I just drop to the bet level which is enough to make a +1 on my previous highest recorded profit total.
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There may be a better progression that can be used - but this seems to do the job.

The worst case scenario is I lose a maximum of 24 units. (1-1,1-1,2-2,2-2,3-3,3-3)
The highest bet will only ever be 6 units: 2 x 3units.

For the 2 experimental sessions I tried to play 100 spins whenever I could to show how it performs - but in reality I would quit a session much sooner than that if I've managed to get ahead a few units... Or again if I had struggled or was tired or bored I would endeavour to quit if 1 or 2 units in front...

Now since posting chart 2 and in order to get more bets in a session it could be good idea to include the HIGH/LOW combo's too!
H/B, H/R, H/O, H/E, L/B, L/R, L/O, L/E.
Another thing is that the B/E and R/O combination only cover a total of 26 numbers. The rest will cover either 27 (eg: H/O) or 28 (eg: B/O). For that reason and because I want maximum advantage and coverage when making the bet I think it a good case to raise the trigger for the B/E and R/O to 4-3 or 3-4.

If it happened there was trigger situation involving a tie; a choice of 2 or more combo's; I would always choose one that covered the highest amount of numbers (eg: 28 if poss)

I will work on trying to make it more safer and foolproof.
Soon I will post an example session. Well there it is; sorry if you think it nothing new or it was not quite what you were expecting. 

Cheers,
Atlantis.

[Jordan]

Atlantis u are very kind and ur explanation was very accurate

[atlantis]

Hi Jordan,

Well this system can be a bit of grind - and I'm not totally sold on it yet as I have a sneaking suspicion I may have been a bit lucky in a few of the sessions games which came dangerously close to a loss by only one spin.... I posted a "chop and streak" system in the systems forum which is by contrast a lot easier and a bit of a breeze compared to this

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